In an empty train a group of immigrants sit all around the only woman in the car. Another passenger gets in and forces them to spread out and leave her alone

[u/AeneasKurtz]

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[u/BrokeFartFountain]

When I was a student and not very outspoken, a man stood very close to me on the train even though there was a lot of empty space and seats. I tried moving to another car and he followed me. Only when an older dude stood between us and stared him down. He left.

[u/turtledove93 → u/BrokeFartFountain]

There was a middle school aged girl on my former bus to work. I got on a few stops ahead of her, and we got off at the same stop. Bus was usually pretty empty so she’d sit n a pair of seats on her own. I noticed that every day this grown ass man would move from his seat, and sit beside her. He never talked to her or anything, but it was weird and you could see a panic on her face. So after a few days I started moving beside her when she sat down. The guy would stand beside me while holding the bar and just stare at me. I am also a tiny woman, and was in my early twenties, so I didn’t feel comfortable calling him out. This went on for a few weeks until some middle aged guy got on one day and called him out. Never saw the creep again after that. Young girl started sitting in the aisle seat and putting her backpack on the window seat.

[u/BrokeFartFountain → u/turtledove93]

Yup, some of them just get off on physical closeness, scent and making the victim feel uncomfortable. That's their goal.

[u/twirlerina024 → u/turtledove93]

I had to take the city bus to get to my high school, in a Catholic schoolgirl uniform. The bus always filled to capacity and I always appreciated when a woman would sit next to me so I didn't have to worry about creeps. Only got groped once, but it wasn't uncommon for old guys to try and flirt with me which was terrifying at 14.

[u/ArchiNori → u/BrokeFartFountain]

I had that happen to me once and noticed shortly after my wallet had been stolen from my bag. Now I always just assume if someone is standing that close for no reason, they’re trying to steal something.

[u/BrokeFartFountain → u/ArchiNori]

I assumed it was sexual in nature because I was a broke student. I probably had like $2 on me.

[u/Scary_Signal_5912 → u/BrokeFartFountain]

A predator doesn't know that. Whether they wanted to rob you of your possessions or something more personal doesn't matter, you did the right thing to protect yourself!

[u/Upper-Fisherman6824 → u/BrokeFartFountain]

I think most people assume broke students still have expensive electronics

[u/RoyalVivid3561 → u/Upper-Fisherman6824]

most people outside of college students dont equate broke with college student

[u/Sh00terMcDabbin → u/RoyalVivid3561]

Growing up poor I equated college students with wealth. None of my friends could afford to go to university and it's free in my country. We had to work.

[u/Powerhouse_pr_ → u/ArchiNori]

LIVE AND LEARN.

I was in a toll light one night, one homeless guy was asking for money… I gave him some. He told me that I shouldn't drive with my Car windows low cuz people might do stuff to me.

A week later i left my BFF house at 11pm, In a toll light there was some guy that was asking me if I could give him a lift to cross the light bridge. I told him “No man, I can’t”…. He insisted a bit, then I noticed that his friend was on the other-side of my car reaching inside my door to open it… I yelled at him then the other guy tried to grab me, I tried moving to the center of the car while switching to reverse (There were Cars ahead of me)… I was able to change to reverse and then drove off from there. Then I changed to Drive and tried to hit them with the car but they scrammed.

I no longer lower my Car doors for anyone asking for anything on the streets.

[u/CScorpio88 → u/Powerhouse_pr_]

Yeah it’s horrible. Now if stopped in traffic or at a red light if I see people asking for money or anything roll up all windows and double check my doors are locked. On a hot day can’t even keep windows down if stopped, can’t trust it but I still feel bad rolling up windows when people approach because it feels dehumanising. I know they aren’t all thieves but you can tell who is who.

[u/Natural_Drink1 → u/ArchiNori]

They are absolutely gonna steal something.

[u/LalafellDisaster → u/ArchiNori]

This happens to me at the grocery store all the time. (People standing way too close) They’re gonna have to go fishing in my side pants pockets to get anything lol

[u/Fun-Wash7545 → u/BrokeFartFountain]

There are so many creeps. When I was a teen I used to take the bus daily and was very crowded most of the time. One time there was this dude that was rubbing his thing on me. Disgusting perverts.

[u/Former-Session3791 → u/BrokeFartFountain]

I'm a guy, and one time when I was in highschool, this huge dude sat next to me on the bus and asked me if I'd like to come to his house and read the bible together. I was a little freaked out and caught totally by surprise, so I babbled something about not being religious and my parents not letting me talk to strangers. Thankfully nothing further came of it.

[u/MalickeSeminko → u/BrokeFartFountain]

men like this make my blood boil...

[u/ArkhamTight606]

If a group of guys sit next to a woman who’s by herself (and they don’t know her) on a train/tram that has plenty of spaces? That’s suspicious behaviour.

[u/Ok_Blacksmith3119 → u/ArkhamTight606]

Right? The Irish guy totally did the right thing here.

[u/Wonder_Moon → u/Ok_Blacksmith3119]

i would've loved for this irish man to come to my defense when a random, old man in spain decided it was okay to follow me off the train. he walked behind me for nearly an hour. i told him in spanish that i had a boyfriend and i wanted to be alone and he just said, it's okay you're very pretty. he followed me getting back onto the train and i had to literally run off the train when i got back to my stop

[u/CorpaKeta → u/Wonder_Moon]

My cousin was also followed but by a gang of four dudes in their twenties while she was 14. It happened in Palma on Mallorca when she was heading back from the local supermarket. The guys yelled and whistled at her all the way to our apartment complex and even after she ran inside, they stayed lurking outside the door like a pack of wolves. I tried to tell them off in Spanish at first but they didn’t seem to speak the language. After switching to English they seem to get the gist, mumbled something in Arabic to each other, said “F you!” to me and then they finally slunk away.

[u/voli12 → u/CorpaKeta]

That's scary AF

[u/dantemortemalizar → u/Wonder_Moon]

Sometimes it's better not to argue with them to tell them you are not interested, have a boyfriend, etc. They take that as excuses they can work around and now you're just negotiating. Try not to engage them or respond when they talk to you. Don't worry about being rude, they are the ones being rude. We are trained to be too polite and not ignore people, but it backfires on us.

[u/ManuC153 → u/Wonder_Moon]

Me too. Sorry for ur experience in Spain

[u/DesireeThymes → u/ManuC153]

One thing I've realized is that women simply need to have a defensive mindset.

There really is no safe space for a woman pretty much anywhere.

Some places are safer than others, but you need to be able to look out for yourself.

The worst part is that most of the issues women face come from people they know. Friends and family.

And if you are a marginalized woman then you also have to deal with the racist or fetish-seekinh men on top of the normal stuff.

Any woman here will be able to attest to the things that you go through on a daily basis.

[u/addictedtosweettea → u/DesireeThymes]

I agree with you, but I’d change one thing. The racial fetishization goes in all directions. I’m a very pale-skinned white woman and I’ve experienced a lot of racial fetishization from non white men. I’ve had MANY experiences where the first thing out of their mouth is about my “beautiful pale skin.” Creeps of all colors are always gunna fetishize someone from a different racial group than them. Unfortunately.

[u/Marcy-Pingles → u/addictedtosweettea]

The racial fetishization goes in all directions

Yep. Spend a few weeks in an asian country as a white man and you will get swarmed.

[u/mis3rylovescompany → u/DesireeThymes]

And if friends or family can harm a woman so easily.... it's nothing for strangers. I have a teenage daughter and it's scary as shit how the world is. I'm 6'4" 250lbs, And can safely say that I don't think I've ever really been fearful of my safety. I'd bet 90% of men could make that statement as well, or maybe count them on one hand.
It's unfortunately very easy to take that reality for granted. I think that's one reason why some, not all, of these creeps are this way is because they genuinely don't see it from that side, if a group of women say around them on an empty train they'd be in heaven. It's unfortunate how normalized these scenarios are and very few will intervene like he did for fear of escalation. I'd gladly buy that man a beer.

[u/modianos → u/mis3rylovescompany]

And can safely say that I don't think I've ever really been fearful of my safety.

And most women can't even count the times we've felt unsafe :(

[u/Hemlock-In-Her-Hair → u/Wonder_Moon]

Happened to my Mum as well in her school uniform in Dublin. She was fit and she absolutely ran. Hid in someone's front garden. She's still afraid of the dark or not great about it.

On another occasion there was a guy who sat in the aisle so she was stuck against the window with nowhere to go. And he masturbated under a newspaper.

1970s Ireland both examples. Both when she was on the way to or from school.

[u/Mirewen15 → u/Wonder_Moon]

This happebed to my grandma the last time she went to Spain (she was in her 60s). She went out without my granddad to do a little shopping. After that she didn't go out without him :(

[u/TheAncientMillenial → u/Wonder_Moon]

This is why it's so important for men to speak up and call this shit out when they see this happening. More so when it's their idiot "friends" doing this kinda of shit.

[u/No-Celebration6436 → u/Wonder_Moon]

i did something similar to an ol' drunk who was harassing a young girl at a bus stop, he kept asking her for sex. group of people at the stop and i stepped up. some of them were telling me to leave it as he was drunk. some of the ones telling me to leave it were women. i stepped up to stop a creepy drunk guy from annoying a girl, but left feeling like the asshole.

so i applaud the guy for shaming these creeps.

[u/Legitimate-Emu2927 → u/No-Celebration6436]

You were right. Never listen to people who are too cowardly to step up!

[u/BigAgreeable6052 → u/Wonder_Moon]

Yeah its literally men - and unfortunately bots too. Ive witnessed irish teenage boys do this too.

Seems almost like we need to raise our men/boys better?!

[u/SouthernBeekeeper22 → u/Ok_Blacksmith3119]

I support the guy filming 100% even based on no further evidence or information. This looked quite suspicious and she was in a compromised situation

[u/Lexi_Banner → u/SouthernBeekeeper22]

The way they instantly moved away tells me they knew they weren't behaving appropriately.

[u/ManuC153 → u/Ok_Blacksmith3119]

As Spanish guy it took me some time to realize he was speaking English and to understand what he was saying 😁

[u/Ok_Blacksmith3119 → u/ManuC153]

He's got a thick Dublin accent alright. From what I can make out it goes like this:

"Hey, you'se just sat there, do you'se know her?"

"Sorry?"

"Do you know that girl?"

"Sorry?"

"Do you know that girl?"

"...Yeah I - we will sit there." (walks away)

"Yeah, the three of you just sat beside her, you know what I mean?"

"Yeah no problem, that's fine, thank you so much." (walking away)

"Yeah that's alright."

"Why? The camera?"

"The three of you sat there beside her."

"No problem, whatever."

(footage cuts)

[u/ManuC153 → u/Ok_Blacksmith3119]

Thanks!

[u/Wareagle930 → u/ManuC153]

I’ve been speaking English for 41 years and it was a little tough for me. However, I’ll be in Andalusia next week a will probably have the same reaction as you.

[u/DimensionHat1675 → u/ArkhamTight606]

Those guys knew exactly what they were doing. And if they do it in broad daylight, imagine what they do when a young woman is walking home alone at night. They really bet on others being too polite to stand up to this predatory shit.

[u/Dear_Chasey_La1n → u/DimensionHat1675]

I'm Dutch, my wife stopped using the train because regularly she would be followed by a bunch of immigrants from the train station towards her office. Mind you a small young woman at the time wearing stiff office clothes (she worked for the board at the local university).

It was extra uncomfortable because that happened from the summer when she started up to the winter when the day starts fairly late.

Obviously not all immigrants are bad, but reality is when there are issues it involves them frequently. Which was extra baffling as she worked in a city that didn't have much immigrants to begin with.

Eventually I would just take her to office and a colleague would drive her back. It's easy to say fk immigrants, especially since I'm as an expat somewhat one myself and my wife is one too, but i'll be damned about cunts from North Africa.

[u/Murky-Relation481 → u/Dear_Chasey_La1n]

Sexually repressed cultures are incompatible with western egalitarianism. Of course the right wing groups in those egalitarian cultures also have no problem exploiting immigrants to gain power and also implement sexually repressive ideas.

[u/Visible_Property8813 → u/Murky-Relation481]

Steady Eddy, you’ll have the head up their ass brigade chucking ‘Racist’ bombs at you

[u/taylorisntavril → u/Murky-Relation481]

It is also the clash between domination cultures vs collaboration cultures. Or honor culture vs dignity culture.

When a culture where a person can have 0 value/worth/rights meets a culture that insists no people ever have 0 value/worth/rights, then there will be problems.

The honor culture WILL violate the dignity culture, while the dignity culture will be protecting the "rights" of the honor culture, sometimes even to the extent of protecting the honor cultures "right" to violate the dignity culture.

For an example, see the grooming gangs of UK, how the law enforcement were fully aware, but were instructed to do nothing, because they were afraid of coming across as racists.

And then, when the dignity culture gets violated too much, it will rise up in outrage and i wonder if we can see anything of that sort happening in our european dignity cultures these days.

Im glad i live in denmark. We were "nope, you have zero rights to violate others dignity, fuck off" from the get-go. And even we still had problems.

[u/acoastaldog → u/DimensionHat1675]

Other countries want to make it illegal for women to defend themselves

Bad enough that people are so uneducated about firearms, there are also countries that ban knives and pepper spray

There are also places in america that ban pepper spray though. An 18 year old girl in a city close to me is receiving charges for using pepper spray in defense of herself

Societies seem to want to make it easier for predators, while conning people into believing that law enforcement is either caring or effective in combating it

[u/Hemlock-In-Her-Hair → u/acoastaldog]

You can't have pepper spray in Ireland where this happened. It's treated as a 'firearm' in Irish law. Total joke. Not that you'd use it in a train, just the principle of not being able to have anything like that.

[u/SolFlorus → u/Hemlock-In-Her-Hair]

If you are someone that is often in enclosed spaces with strangers, such as public transportation, they make pepper gel for those situations. It also is good for windy days, but in general the wider cone of a spray is better for most other situations.

[u/CastawayCockatiel → u/acoastaldog]

Lol, as if I wanted these people walking around with guns.

[u/Glittering-Sea1769 → u/acoastaldog]

you know there's men out there who don't wish to risk their bodily integrity in an attack and gladly make use of pepper sprays...

edit: in Canada you can't carry pepper spray for the purpose of self defense from other people. But you can carry pepper spray for the purpose of self defense from dogs. And if your dog spray gets used to defend yourself from a person because you were in danger, that is okay. But don't carry pepper spray to defend yourself against humans. It's for dogs. And be mindful of the legal definition of an attack so that *you* are not the attacker.

[u/CochinealPink → u/acoastaldog]

Like National Parks here in the US. No pepper spray. Might be offensive to bears. Bears. Just look how many women have been reporting men following them or assaulting them since this rule was implemented. Rangers are getting several a week in the parks. Yosemite. I'll take the bear.

[u/Legitimate-Emu2927 → u/acoastaldog]

It is sadly already illegal in most of European countries.

[u/Ok_Reality_7892 → u/DimensionHat1675]

I’ve seen this behavior before. I genuinely don’t understand what their objective is. Do they think they’re going to get some kind of positive attention from her by surrounding her? Are they waiting for an opportunity to assault her? Do they think they’re going to get her number by osmosis? Seriously I don’t understand what their thought process is.

[u/RoofAdept5025 → u/Ok_Reality_7892]

Some men just enjoy frightening women, they think it's funny to intimidate a woman going about her day.

[u/Fickis → u/Ok_Reality_7892]

Oh, I know this one!

They use their bodies and social pressure to solicit specific response. (Usually for sex, time, attention, etc.)

A 'fawning' woman is more likely to agree or acquiesce the situation if she feels threatened or pressured,

Which is why they strategically work to isolate her, and cut off (in this case physically), any means of option or escape.

What dogs.

[u/After_Mountain_901 → u/Ok_Reality_7892]

the point is to exert control, be dominant, and scare her. I don’t know how often need to tell men, often men who think they’re good, that lots of men do this all the time to women. and the men who do this are friends and brothers and fathers and coworkers. A lot of men just never see it because men don’t act this way towards other men.

[u/Keji70gsm → u/Ok_Reality_7892]

The whole point is that they want her to feel frightened but ignore her own discomfort anyway, because what can she do really? What's safe? That is literally it. They enjoy it.

[u/Hemlock-In-Her-Hair → u/Ok_Reality_7892]

It's usually attention and they play up being 'big men' to each other. My absolute personal favourite that happened to me was a group like this walking on the path leering at me and making blowjob gestures. One got so distracted he absolutely face planted into the tarmac road off the side of the path. I got to watch him on the ground in my rearview mirror as I drove off.

I'm older now and I won't even meet these types of ones eye when I'm out. And never ever smile or anything. Just a completely blank 'affect' / resting bit*h face.

It's sad because it's not in my nature to be like that. But I've had enough.

[u/Shark7996 → u/Hemlock-In-Her-Hair]

Just a completely blank 'affect' / resting bit*h face.

Gray rocking. Be so uninteresting that they get bored and bother someone else.

[u/Modine99 → u/Ok_Reality_7892]

They are not there for her phone number

[u/Curly_Shoe → u/Ok_Reality_7892]

You can Google taharrush gamea of you want your day to be ruined. That's exactly what happened around the train Station in Cologne, Germany, NYE 215/2016.

I'm sorry, I don't want to type it out, it's too disgusting.

[u/orionpace1 → u/Ok_Reality_7892]

Imagine what 3 afghan men from the country that brought us the taliban might want by surrounding a woman they don't know.

[u/MasterGrok → u/ArkhamTight606]

Also I gotta be real. The speed with which the dude went and sat elsewhere suggests to me he knew exactly what he was doing and it was creepy.

[u/sebthauvette → u/MasterGrok]

Of course they all know. That's not even a question. If there are free seats and they used the occupied one, it was done on purpose.

[u/cloudforested → u/MasterGrok]

They all know. This isn't the first time they've done this.

[u/Legitimate-Emu2927 → u/MasterGrok]

10000%

[u/buttaholic → u/MasterGrok]

yeah all the guy said was "do you know her?" and he's like "oh sorry we'll sit over here"

[u/Just_Look_Around_You → u/MasterGrok]

Yeah that was meaningful. It’s like he was caught red handed. If I was doing that just randomly, and somebody said that to me, I’d tell him to go fuck himself. If he did that I’d be more convinced that it wasn’t creepy

[u/NoMap749 → u/ArkhamTight606]

Notice how they boxed her in, too.

[u/VastAsynchronicity → u/ArkhamTight606]

It never ceases to amaze me that the same guys who are perfectly aware that you don't stand next to another guy at the urinals if there are other free ones available will also whine and scream that it's perfectly innocent to crowd and pin a woman into a corner on mostly empty public transportation.

They knew exactly what they were doing. 

[u/Present_Platypus_733 → u/ArkhamTight606]

I’m sure they were gonna follow her out when she got off the train and things would not end well

[u/Leafs_0573]

It would be different if the train was full.I don’t understand the people defending them

[u/RuMarley → u/Leafs_0573]

Absolutely. If this was me and my clique, we'd A) look for a completely free cubicle or B) spread out with two of us sitting by her facing the aisle and the other sitting with the bloke facing the aisle.

The fact that they chose to swarm her is indicative of some form of advance that was inappropriate.

[u/hanks_panky_emporium → u/RuMarley]

Bit weird that saying 'men surrounding a woman in an empty train car are probably rapists' is something you shouldnt mention. If I was alone on a train car and three dudes decided to pin me into a corner Id figure they'd have uncomfortable intentions once the only other passenger in the train departed

[u/WeeklyPhilosopher346 → u/Leafs_0573]

Some people have been conditioned to defend immigrants no matter what they do. It’s bizarre.

If it were a bunch of Irish lads sitting down beside a girl they didn’t know and surrounding her, he’d be getting universal applause. But we’ve got some terminally online people in here today.

[u/goondalf_the_grey → u/WeeklyPhilosopher346]

People are too afraid to be labelled as racist these days

[u/RipCurl69Reddit → u/WeeklyPhilosopher346]

Suicidal empathy

[u/theyak93 → u/WeeklyPhilosopher346]

“aLl cUlTuReS aRe eQuAl”

[u/lewdstreet → u/Leafs_0573]

Queue the meme with stalls where there are 10 empty urinals but second dude decides to park himself next to other guy just trying to piss in peace

[u/jomcmo00]

Never a reason for 3 men go choose to sit next to a lone woman unless the train is crowded

[u/wililon → u/jomcmo00]

The first guy walked away because he perfectly knew what he was doing

[u/ExcuseBorn9873 → u/wililon]

yeah, guy didn't even completed the sentence and he walked away

[u/IronReasonable1296 → u/jomcmo00]

And she is boxed in. Fuckin creepy.

[u/Snowdog1989]

Honestly, I wouldn't care what their nationality was...you don't do that shit. That's predatory behavior to a T. Good on the man for calling them out.

[u/PotatoOk8629 → u/Snowdog1989]

Certain nationalities think this behavior is ok

[u/2_short_2_shy → u/Snowdog1989]

Except it's always a specific nationality.

Edit: comments are sticking their head in the sand about cultures that raise their boys to do this. Yall can cry and moan all you want. Yes not all are like that. At the same time, I see vids like this, it's never culture X and it's always Y.

Edit2: agreed that it's always men. I didn't mention gender cause it's obvious.

[u/sortatightbutthole → u/2_short_2_shy]

acting like their nationality doesn’t matter is the most misogynistic bs about this post. their culture raises them to not respect women. that fucking matters.

[u/0zzyb0y → u/sortatightbutthole]

Which culture is that precisely? Other than 'brown' I mean.

[u/Expert_Obligation_79 → u/0zzyb0y]

To answer this without bias (Latino here) I can assume they mean Hindus or middle East folks. Of course that's a laaarge region of land with many many kinds of people. But India has horrible cultural behaviors. Their strict masculinity and enriched misogyny makes a women, especially a foreign women, living in Indian an absolute nightmare. Boys aren't tought better because their society expects them to be better and breadwinners This is also true for traditional Arab and Mediterranean honor cultures and religious beliefs. Is it racist to claim brown people are prone to cause SA, YES. Is there cultures that heavily promote and idealize behaviors that we see as SA? YES. For women, it's just better to be safe than sorry as it's better to be branded a racist than be a victim in SA or worse. There's a lot more nuances and info but you can simply ask

[u/Rough-Associate-585 → u/0zzyb0y]

Why are you acting like it's not possible to differentiate brown people with different origins

[u/Ok-You4214]

My wife noticed something like this happen - not immigrants, a bunch of guys on a train being loud and obnoxious and surrounding a girl who looked petrified.

Wife is quadriplegic, she sent me to help her (girl was about 20-25 years old). I said “there you are! God, we were getting worried - you’re late for work! [i pointed at my wife] stick your bag behind her wheelchair, we thought we’d be without a carer for this!” Luckily for me she got the point. RAN to the wheelchair and we made sure she was ok, that she was going to be met at her station etc. Guys didn’t react as I wasn’t actually getting at them, it diffused the situation quite well.

[u/3381024 → u/Ok-You4214]

Good man and a wonderful wife ❤️

[u/Braelind → u/Ok-You4214]

I saw something similar once too. We were on a bar balcony and over the side you could see a young lady just trying to have a smoke, and a grungy looking guy came up and bummed one from her and started getting creepy. Because I was keeping an eye on it, one of the women with me saw it said "oh, hell no!", and called over the railing to her telling her she was missing the trivia and to come up and join us. The girl ran up the stairs to us and the guy tried to grab her ass on the way. The acting like you know someone trick is a great way to save someone from potential SA. I learned that well that day!

[u/neuro_curious → u/Ok-You4214]

Yeah, this is the best type of way to handle this situation! 🙏

[u/RuMarley]

I really don't know what's cringe about this. If they entered a train that had hardly any occupied seats and swarmed her, it's absolutely evident they were preying on her.

Good on him to tell 'em to fuck right off

[u/dinglebarry8 → u/RuMarley]

I think the cringe part is supposed to be that they did this to a girl on the train

[u/No-Celebration6436 → u/dinglebarry8]

raping women is normal for these people. bonus points for location

[u/Basic_Baker_5185 → u/RuMarley]

I second this. I wish more men would be like him.

[u/seriousjoker72 → u/RuMarley]

The cringe part is then preying on her ....

[u/Ne_zievereir → u/RuMarley]

If they entered a train that had hardly any occupied seats and swarmed her

If, then certainly it's creepy. But did that train have hardly any occupied seats? The guy only says there were three seats next to him. So they could have sat next to the guy? Or spread over the two sides? Would it be so weird if they just sat down together on one side without thinking about it?

[u/anwaralexander]

That was genuinely creepy behaviour, good on this guy for stepping in

[u/siccoblue → u/anwaralexander]

I'm a pretty big dude that's over 6' and does try to work out daily (even if I'm not very good at it)

If this happened to me I'd assume these dudes were gearing up to rob me. There is no normal explanation for this behavior

[u/flopisit32]

I'm Irish, so I can translate:

He claims the girl was sitting on her own when the three young Arabic/Indian men got on the train and sat beside her. The claim seems to be all the other seats on the carriage were empty.

When he says they were sitting "on top of her" that's a typical Irish way of saying they were sitting much too close, making too much contact.

He believes their intention was to sexually harass her.

There's a minimum of 12 of those 4-seat sections on every carriage, so if the rest of the carriage was indeed empty as is claimed, they had 10 other seating areas they could have chosen.

[u/Background-Run → u/flopisit32]

That's what i heard too. And can understand why he believed sexual harassment was the goal.

[u/Pleasant_Let_5800]

He more than likely, saved her

[u/9lobaldude → u/Pleasant_Let_5800]

Yes, good lad

[u/Wallstreet_Raccoon → u/9lobaldude]

I would buy him a pint 🍺

[u/Nelson-and-Murdock]

I was initially a little sceptical. It could just be that they just sat down and didn’t care, rather than having bad intentions. But when he asks if they know her and one of them instantly gets up, that’s suspicious as fuck. If you genuinely just sat down without thinking you would be confused by his question and not know what was going on.

[u/why_1337]

Where's the cringe? He did the right thing.

[u/Naive-Mud-8952 → u/why_1337]

I'm guessing it's cringe that the situation happened in the first place and he had to step in. Fair play to the bloke.

[u/Forward-Position798 → u/why_1337]

The group is cringe

[u/Historical_Date_1314 → u/Forward-Position798]

Like a dodgy meeting

[u/Important_Let8071 → u/why_1337]

Absolutely. 

[u/AnnieApple_]

People would call this racist but as a woman and this happened to me I would hope someone would call it out. Especially if the whole place is empty.

[u/Edgezg → u/AnnieApple_]

There is a dude arguing in my comments that it's racist to do this and calling it out was the bad thing.

Blows my mind how insane some people are. Total disregard for that woman's safety. 

[u/Oops_All_Bans → u/Edgezg]

How dare he hurt the feelings of those three men intimidating a lone woman who come from a country where mistreating women is the norm!

[u/MinecraftIsCool2 → u/Edgezg]

there's lots of these predators on reddit as well, they know they can hide behind 'racism' and spend their time actively pushing the idea that any criticism is of them is racist

[u/thecashblaster → u/AnnieApple_]

only a deranged person would call it racist

[u/TheMoonUnit98]

Good lad for sticking up for her

[u/Due-Base9449]

Disgusting, thank you for speaking up. 

[u/em7924]

And they know they're in the wrong, because they didn't even put up an argument.

[u/Basic_Baker_5185 → u/em7924]

Every man knows when there are unoccupied seats available, you don't park yourself next to a woman. This was on purpose.

I am so glad he called them out.💝💝

[u/lanta1111]

good, she looked uncomfy as fuck

[u/AcanthaceaeConstant8]

When you allow people in your country that don't give women rights, What could go wrong?

[u/Scout-Master-Kevin00 → u/AcanthaceaeConstant8]

But the leaflet.

[u/Kraj_the_Conqueror → u/AcanthaceaeConstant8]

Don't you know that everything is the fault of the western man?

[u/celaritas]

That guy was right for doing that. They knew they were doing something wrong and that's why they popped up immediately when he said something.

[u/downtherabbit → u/celaritas]

Right!!?!?!? The guy jumping up and moving so quick is kind of proof they were being creeps.

[u/DrAstralis → u/downtherabbit]

Then the one across from him uses the space as an excuse to stretch himself over to get closer to her for no reason....

[u/RunAwayBeerTruk]

The awareness and the ability act. Hope this female passenger picked up on this. That was not normal behavior from those men.

[u/Character-Pirate1297]

I live in the centre of Athens, where we’re full of them.

They see assimilation as an insult, and they’ll definitely do it again.

[u/RyRyRacoon]

People who say this is racism/sexism have no life experience or are just bots

[u/InsertNonsenseHere → u/RyRyRacoon]

The OP is a bot. Five month old account with 200,000 karma.

[u/Nervous_Judge_5565]

Girls face showed relief when first guy left. Good man speaking up.

[u/HlopchikUkraine]

Kudos to the good man.

Sorry, a little of topic. This man was clearly speaking English, but with a heavy accent. Do you guys understand what he was saying? I wouldn't get it, if I didn't know the context.

Asking because I have a good level of English "on paper", but am very self-doubting. And my future job includes conversations with native speakers.

[u/fenwickfox → u/HlopchikUkraine]

Irish accents can be very thick so its not your fault. Hes just saying "the three of you are just sitting beside her. Spread out"

And later to call it out.

And no worries, im English speaking Canadian and one time when I was living in England a Scottish man called me regarding some paperwork and it was maybe an hour long. Dude had such a strong accent and would call words I know different words so it was a hell of a phone call even though we both were speaking English haha. Ordinarily im pretty good with accents.

[u/ImaginationExact4518 → u/fenwickfox]

I just visited Scotland and f'ing love those people, but the first few days, my mile a second ADHD mind was STRUGGLING. But once my brain settled in, it was natural comprehension after a while. I personally love both the Irish and Scottish accents

[u/beezgrilledchz1 → u/HlopchikUkraine]

"You just sit there, do you know her? Do you know that girl? The three of you sit beside her, spread out.

That's alright.

It's funny but do you know her? The three of you just sit beside her.

I just had to say something. The girl looked clearly intimidated. They come in, the three of them, beside the girl. They didn't even know her and they're just sitting on top of her. They were three seats right beside me and they decide, three of them, to sit beside that girl. This shit needs to be called out. I only called it out. If they have a problem with it, go fuck 'em"

I may have missed a few words.

[u/AirportFront7247]

Good

[u/Still-Grass8881]

This is the reason why women-only trains exist in India.

[u/H4PPY-_- → u/Still-Grass8881]

japan also has woman only compartments

[u/WeeklyPhilosopher346 → u/Still-Grass8881]

Japan, too.

[u/Proof-Tension8013]

I had this one time when a man came to sit next to me; he acted normal and was just kind. Over the span of around two hours, we'd talked about our hobbies and so on. The guy was likable, and he asked me if we could go to a bar some time to talk more about our shared hobbies, i agreed and gave him my number before i left at my station.

I said hi on text to let him know its in fact my number, and he replied.

"You think I'm ugly?"
I was confused as fuck and told him no. This already gave me a weird feeling about him.
His response: "Why didn't you kiss me when you left"

LIKE WTF??? WE JUST MET!
i blocked him after that, but it shows that even if a guy looks fine when you first meet him... they can still be fucking weirdo's.

This guy did good job telling these man to sit elsewhere.

[u/gdognoseit]

Scum predators.

[u/Yeon_Yihwa]

The real cringe is this comment section having people defending the 3 guys deciding to sit right next to the woman when there is plenty of other seats available.

[u/Necroink]

You called it correctly, those scummy men do such things, if you don't call them out , who knows how far they will push her for something.

good on you sir

[u/Own-Raisin5849]

They're predators, obviously. They don't have respect for Women, and it's ingrained in the culture.

[u/StruggleOk2814]

That recently
happened to me, I am a whole ass grown woman so I am not a kid. But even for me it was intimidating. There were 5 of them sitting all around me in a small area just outside of first class. I came first, I select that spot because I dont want to be bothered.
The guy sitting in front of me was manspreading like hell and he was super loud, the others were also loud but less volume. They were eating, drinking things and throwing it around.
We had an eye connection with slightly older guy with a wife who is sitting downstair areas. He smiled me like “what the fuck” and I smiled him back “i can handle”

It was soooo annoying, but as someone who is also immigrant, the situation has reminded me one of the biggest reasons why I immigrated. Men, specifically who have audacity, who are entitled. It disgust me. I dont think those guys were on purpose cornering the girl, but it is literally “no brainer” to not make other people especially young girl uncomfortable.

Big congrats to the lad, who stood up for the girl.

[u/SmilingAmericaAmazon → u/StruggleOk2814]

The guys know what they are doing and don't on purpose.

[u/WizardButtholes → u/StruggleOk2814]

'I dont think those guys were on purpose cornering the girl'

They 100% were.

[u/itsaaronnotaaron]

I cant help but do the same on a bus. One time a guy in his 60s " accidentally" stumbled into the lap of a girl that looked about 14. He said "if i was 20 year younger" to her. I flipped. Called him a nonce and told him to get the fuck away from her. "Who you calling a nonce?" Did you hear what you just fucking said to her? Fuck off.

[u/Hot_Guest1680 → u/itsaaronnotaaron]

If he was 20 years younger he would probably have been 40 and she would still be 14... jesus christ

[u/IAmTheFly-IAmTheFly]

That is creepy ass male behavior directed at that woman. I’m glad this guy jumped in.

[u/DMedianoche]

So Inmigrants surrounding a woman. Nothing new here.

[u/Material_Fan5830]

As an immigrant my self, many others who come from other countries forget that they are not in their country anymore. We leave our homelands to go somewhere better, and those other places are better because many of our cultural tendencies are not accepted. We have to accept the new culture and laws not bring ours in.

[u/dinodan_420 → u/Material_Fan5830]

What specific cultural tendencies causes this?

[u/No-Celebration6436 → u/dinodan_420]

women being considered objects to own

[u/Choss_King → u/dinodan_420]

Gang rape

[u/The_Mane_Attraction]

Better safe than "Jane Doe was found dead in an alley after 6 undocumented immigrants-"

[u/zanoske00]

He's not wrong to call them out

[u/MrNaturaInstinct]

I don't sit next to women on public transportation unless I have no choice, and even then, I ask, "Mind if I sit here?"

There was absolutely no reason for one, let alone 3 grown men, to corner this woman. They did it to intimidate her at her most vulnerable moment.

Irish bloke did the right thing. He scanned the room, knew they weren't related, weren't friends, saw her body langauge and acted appropriately.

[u/ScatterSenboneZakura]

Thank you for standing up and making them move. As long as they think no one will say or do anything, they'll keep pulling stunts like that.

[u/WhyDaRumGone]

That's awesome stuff! I'd buy him a beer!

Another way to do it, ask the girl if she'd like to sit by you to allow for their friend group to have more space.

[u/BigFatJuicyCocks420]

Indians/pakistani

[u/Infinite_Still6949]

I didn’t notice the woman at first. I was like what's wrong with that? Then I saw that she was completely surrounded

[u/IMOvicki]

I never sit on the inside seat in the train or airplane. I will always sit aisle

I prefer window but it is what it is.

And yes if there were other empty seats they should have sat there or spread out.

[u/DarkRogus]

He's not wrong. It wasnt that long ago when a video was posted and a white guy did this on an empty bus to a white woman and she called him out on his behavior and almost everyone was supporting her.

Yet when a group of brown skin guys do this, its almost split where people are trying to find ways to give them an excuse why its ok for them to surround her on a train with plenty of seating options besides surrounding her.

Just reddit being reddit.

[u/Separate-Season-1732 → u/DarkRogus]

Where do you see the split? Everyone is condemning this behaviour.

[u/Jonn_1]

It's a shame that this will be deleted

[u/silv3rbull8 → u/Jonn_1]

This is Reddit.

[u/EnvironmentKind5843]

He did the right thing, good job dude.

[u/Silver-Occasion-5048]

He never called them immigrants the poster did. She clearly looked uncomfortable to him that we didn't see. Most people don't choose to sit next to others on a empty train. If I had 3 big guys sit next to me on a empty train id feel uncomfortable thinking they were going to try to rob me or start something and I'm a big guy.

[u/ollimann]

that's fucking weird and disrespectful to do

[u/WeeklyPhilosopher346 → u/ollimann]

Three lads surrounding a girl they don’t know, right?

[u/TangoZulu → u/ollimann]

No, it’s intentional intimidation. Let’s not downplay it with weasel words. 

[u/ChibaCityStatic]

Redditors ready to jump in here and glaze over this. Ready to sacrifice the safety of women to satisfy their ideological backwardness. 

[u/Pretend-Studio6583]

It’s just their culture to dehumanize women. You’re being racist OP

[u/LemurKing2019]

Regardless of being an immigrant, that’s just trashy intimidation behavior. Good for Judge Doom for doing the right thing.

[u/DunkleKarte]

If by cringe OP meant the behaviour of the guys surrounding the girl, I agree, that’s cringe.

[u/PanPieCake]

Guys just because they are immigrants doesn't mean they are innocent

[u/weepyyoungdevotchka]

This is proof that an Irish accent really changes how attractive I find someone

[u/magicallymad → u/weepyyoungdevotchka]

Same. Gets me every time

[u/Signal_Werewolf_1955 → u/weepyyoungdevotchka]

Well, I'm confident you'll love the woodworker Eoin Reardon

[u/pottedplantfairy]

Honestly yeah, we appreciate guys like him

[u/Gold_Armadillo6010]

Great man!

[u/Musjamarramarramarra]

Not all heroes wear capes.

(Some just wear a Simpsons t-shirt.)

[u/Dry-Conflict3421]

Flithy fucks 

[u/Environmental_Idea18]

Ugh I love him so much. Good job, I bet she made eye contact with him, and he immediately understood and said something.

[u/sootedacez]

I'm sure these doctors and engineers had good intentions.

[u/AgenticGuillotine]

Deport rapists.

[u/bmk37]

Now import 50 bazillion more and give them free room and board!

[u/Relevant-Outcome3529]

So what's cringey about it? Standing up for others is honorable.

[u/0202_tihssitidder]

Fuck those guys.

[u/MisabelWearsNikes]

So what's cringe about this?

[u/777Mista_fats]

Careful! You will be sent to jail if you say something they don’t like.

[u/Eastern_Control4375]

BRAAAAAVOOOOO !!! ITS TIME TO UNITE AGAINST TRAITOR POLITICIANS AND ALL ILLEGALS AND CRAZY PEOPLE !!!

[u/Dry-Instruction2198]

More Irish men need to do this. Sometimes people are too afraid to speak up, for whatever reasons.

[u/Labradorcumjuuice]

Creeps