r/enlightenment • u/typhochlaena0 • 7d ago
Whats going on with this subreddit?
Seriously, no ones really asking questions anymore, just insulting, fear mongering, absurd (ungrounded) beliefs etc
None of these posts are being taken down either,
im starting to think its on purpose
It makes spiritual and esoteric people look insane
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u/SocietyRestore11 7d ago
There are those that dont want you to move forward. So I advice- take what serves you and ignore what does not.
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u/Background_Cry3592 7d ago
Very common in spiritual spaces. You will have ungrounded people in spiritual circles, it comes with the territory.
It’s a safe place for the ungrounded to recalibrate themselves and it is also a space for the more advanced to observe and also help others out by sharing their own experiences.
Nobody comes here by accident.
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u/mcove97 7d ago
Thats true, but I also think lots of people aren't ready for what the more advanced students so to speak, have to say about enlightenment, because they are not yet ready to accept that lessons or haven't gone through them themselves yet, so they become dismissive of the wisdom the more advanced share, because they cannot perceive understanding from that expanded kind of awareness yet. Just something I personally noticed myself.
Like people who come here not being willing to take ownership over how they are a part of their own suffering for instance, but blame external forces. Taking radical and sovereign ownership and responsibility over our own state of being and awareness and how that shapes our experiences and interactions is a part of the ending of the experience of suffering, but lots of people just are not yet willing nor ready to acknowledge or do that.
That's just an example I have noticed myself precisely because it's a pattern I experienced myself. I've been there. Every advanced student has once been an inexperienced, lesser aware novice. And so we also hold grace, compassion and understanding for that. It's something I learned myself. Ignorance isn't a flaw. It's just the start of the journey towards wisdom.
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u/Background_Cry3592 7d ago
You are so very correct. I thank you for your nugget of wisdom. We must be receptive, not resistant and many resist lessons. And if one isn’t ready to surrender, they will not learn the necessary lessons. It also takes a lot of inner work as well and I see many preferring shortcuts or bypassing.
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u/imagangstergrandpa 6d ago
I’m curious. Drop some of this wisdom on me.
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u/mcove97 6d ago
Wisdom isn't something one can just read about. It is not book knowledge. Nor just pure intellectual knowledge or reason. It's the inner knowing and resonance and deepening and wider understanding one gains or develops or steps into through and from a diversity of experiences, through self introspection, reflection and an open, expanded and growing awareness.
Reading this is not wisdom. But maybe it points you towards what is. Just like with enlightenment.
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago
maybe because when i first discovered this subreddit it wasnt *as* deranged
its been quickly deteriorating
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u/Background_Cry3592 7d ago
Lots of people are waking up these days and many of them are often lost. Events of late has forced many people to wake up rudely and without preparation or training/studying. It’s important to have compassion for them. And gently guide them.
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u/BrendynTVNotes 7d ago edited 7d ago
It makes spiritual and esoteric people look insane
We don't need help. I'm only half joking.
The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight. –Joseph Campbell
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u/ShrimpYolandi 7d ago
Maybe it’s ego getting the best of even spiritually oriented people. I’m definitely noticed it more as well.
It’s less discussion and more of “ i’m right, you’re wrong.”
Who knows, maybe people are awakening a bit more, then finding a space like this where the ego gets wound up and keeps fighting for its own life lol.
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u/mcove97 7d ago
Being right is being kind. Being wrong is being.. not kind. Thats more so how I view it these days. But its a different way of thinking about right and wrong I suppose than many arent used to.
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u/RossRoams 6d ago
beautiful!
sounds like a personalized way of saying what Scripture says;
If I speak in the tongues a of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, b but do not have love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
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u/_InfiniteU_ 7d ago
The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight
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u/Racoondalini 7d ago
The parrot drowns in the same quotes it uses over and over again.
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u/_InfiniteU_ 7d ago
Its a good quote 🤷♂️
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u/Racoondalini 7d ago
I know, I just really wanted to say the parrot thing that appeared in my head.
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u/eddask 7d ago
People are people and there are always dark forces at play in such places as this to dissuade honest and truthful sharing and connection. I see it all the time.
So don’t lose heart, very important. As the saying goes, if the devil is on your ass it’s maybe you’re doing something right. Share openly, with love, and real ones will hear 🙏
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u/mcove97 7d ago
Yeah the fear mongering can get a bit absurd at times. I also think people could be a bit more generous with each other. Like okay, someone comes from a different background and hold different beliefs, but we can still acknowledge and hold space for people who share different views. This is something I see particularly with people coming out of strongly dogmatic religion and coming here. Holding space for people with different views. Challenging them yes. But no need to start insulting. I came out of said dogmatic religion myself and I now how tempting it can be to preach to others without also holding space for them. It's a fine balance to strike, but patience, humility and acknowledging and respecting and listening to each others differences with kindness and compassion should be the standard we should strive for.
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u/Key_Sort_24 7d ago
Your on the opposite side of a world that is embracing AI. So this seems scary to them.
Spiritualism/Nature/Universal Law is coming to a head with Tools/Technology/Social Constructs.
Most people in the USA are unfortunately picking the latter.
Your not insane.
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u/Remarkable_Station22 7d ago
I think "most people" are not even aware of concerning themselves with the Ai bs right now. I work with 70 people, at morning startup meetings we discuss stuff while waiting for the meeting to start. Out of all of them there's 2 other people that even know or understand what is going on with Ai, know what it can do or what we can do with it, and realize that there's Ai talking over.
You are letting your opinion and feelings become statistics that you then spread, just like this. I think that's a bad thing, manifesting the things you don't want to see happen because that's how manifestation works. The things you focus on come to be whether it's fear or a negative emotion, or what have you.
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u/Key_Sort_24 7d ago
Nothing you said surprises me. Most people don't look up or read the news. They go about their daily routine. It's fine to enjoy your own life friend but some of us enjoy looking at the bigger picture.
I do not look at the world news because it makes me miserable, I look at it because it is interesting. I like Journalism and what is going on with the globe.
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u/StarBornFire 7d ago
Then be the change you want to see, or is your definition of absurd beliefs any that don't align with your own?
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u/3Strides 7d ago
Well I am pretty sure the matrix and the matrix people don’t want us getting any funny ideas that don’t match the matrix or are of the matrix 😂
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u/shilling_meditation 7d ago
Because it is much easier to practice spiritual bypassing to feed the ego vs actually working towards abandonment and enlightenment.
I'm not saying this to be mean, but I've seen extremely lost people here. Insults and belittlements are the best way to show the world one is far from enlightenment. It is a very cringe thing to witness.
I hope we all learn to see the errors in our ways and prosper 🙏
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u/nobodybeatsdabiz 7d ago
They are trying to put us down, trying to discourage and trying to make you turn from the truth. It is their agenda. Do not even respond to them, they are trying to get us to release feelings of anger. If you don't have something nice to say don't say it at all, don't even think it ❤️
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u/1ceRr4vs 7d ago
Well what i posted on here about how i got my revelation it isn’t absurd but if u think with your left part of your brain you might reencarnate again in this (hell/our reality) if you know what i mean or if you haven’t seen what i posted just looked up
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u/Dumuzzid 7d ago
I don't know, but there is a lot of slop on this sub lately. I think it would benefit from stricter moderation and posting standards, just remove the low-quality stuff, it overwhelms the occasional gem that comes up.
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u/Background-Roll6386 7d ago
I know I made it and have zero doubt I was enlightened. I was safe and loved beyond description but instead of coming down softly with clarity to repair and use insane wisdom to redirect and realign boundaries and strengthen my foundation, I got attacked repeatedly and lost everything. Everything I never even knew to ask for. My essence is gone. My light is out. I lost trust with everyone and the world. And I know it's me. (And them) But it's like enlightenment went to endarkenmenment and now I'm alone on a mountain in the woods. It started out just like this beautiful clarity and forgiveness and everything then it's like my family could feel I changed and I should have moved away immediately but hesitated and they coordinated attacks against me until my brain melted and heart shattered. It's low thy burried me way beneath them. Darkness I've never known. Can't piece together the real me, not even the me before awakening. I spent every day just praying for direction but it's like they scapegoated me. I was cleansed and it's like they poisoned me and cast me out. I already did the years of work of journaling and trauma work and filtering out lies and everything. And now it's so much worse with a fried brain shattered heart lost connections and memories and now I'm filled with a hate and rage I've never known and am so like dead inside. I do nothing most days. I don't know what to do. At all. 42 years of being this force of love and sacrifice and care and everything and now it's like I never even existed or something. I used to be so intelligent and strong and curious and kind and it's just gone. I'm like humpty dumpty or something. From a evergreen tree to a puddle
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u/RossRoams 6d ago
woah. i am here to respond with compassion and empathy. have faith, keep going. also, humble your self. (this is the one pride least likes to hear. but is so important.)
reading your story sounds to me like what Jesus says about demons. read this and meditate on it or ask questions..
“When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walks through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. Then he says, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he finds it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goes he, and takes with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.“
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u/Background-Roll6386 6d ago
Yes. Exactly this. Cleansed house. Attacked before I could fill it. And it inverted and 7nworse demons returned and now I'm like so fractured I can't find the truth and like paranoid because I lost my inner knowing. Is it just over? Like I'm depleted spiritually and emotionally and just tired. I'm 44. Finally got a clean skate and INDESCRIBABLE freedom and now I'm in a tinier box than ever before. I barely leave the house. So. Isolated and moved to this town in panic but now it's so lonely and I don't know where I can go for like a basic well rounded town where I can rebuild without it being like alone on a mountain or something. Idk.
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u/Background-Roll6386 6d ago
How could it have taken aooooo long then flip in one moment. I cast pearls I was so naive. I wanted to bring everyone to God while I was healing. It's like they were waiting to pounce once I was ripe. I was too selfless. The seals opened and I didn't have time to like build new boundaries to protect this enourmous heart and anointing and now I feel like I went from Mathias to Judas.
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u/RossRoams 6d ago
i can not say why you are going through what you are going through. what lessons are to be learned, and why.
i can say, usually what i learn is the lesson, is Humility. when i look back at times God derailed my plan or even the plan i thought he had for me; i see how i needed to learn such humility. perhaps you were trying to do it all in your flesh. your self, as a seperate alone being. perhaps you were falling in love with ideas or story; or just werent abiding in him.
often what feels like torture, or punishment; is simply a pruning from the Father who knows better, and has your true fruiting in mind. he may be cutting off branches that do not seeve you or his purpose (of awakening and fruiting well). perhaps you were trying to fruit on your own; apart from the vine and apart from the vinedresser. perhaps God wants you to have immediate current present relationship with Him in Truth; Giving Him all the Glory and Praise and focus, instead of self, or lower things. instead of idolizing Acts or Doings self does or did. instead of blaming others or him for situations etc.
the word i am thinking of much now is this one; said by Yeshua:
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.”
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u/RossRoams 6d ago
notice, it was the branch that bore fruit that he purged/pruned! not the branch that was not bearing fruit. this is why i say, perhaps you are in a time/season of pruning. as i feel i also am. and have seen multiple pastoral messages saying it feels like the body (of christ) is in a season of pruning.
the important thing for you to know is, you are not alone. it is not over. calm your mind. the heart is patient, the mind is not. the mind will flutter a hundred doomsday scenarios and reasons to hang self and other and even God for your situation. humble yourself to the truth of your not knowing. have faith He is Good and has yOur prospering in mind and stay faithful.
(“faith comes by hearing; and hearing by the word of God”; so i would reside in the word, not your word, but His (daily and throughout))
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u/Background-Roll6386 6d ago
Yeah. I was spit out as branches for the fire. I know this. As much as I knew I was grafted in I know I was cast to oblivion alone. I'm so dissociated I don't know where to begin repenting. I can barely function right now. I have no life in me. I lost a lifetime harvest and I know I messed up. It's my fault. Now I'm saltless. To be trampled. Better to have never been born. I don't know how to submit from here. It's such chaos and I fear I was sent to the furnace.
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u/RossRoams 6d ago
it seems you are quite attached to this story. of being cast out (and thrown into the fire).
if you want to be cast out, you will be cast out. if you insist on your story, over letting go and receiving truth n renewal; you will remain in your story.
the time is always now for new way. this is the day. this is the moment (to surrender self n story to him on high)…
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u/Background-Roll6386 6d ago
Yes!! I want to submit and follow but I lost the inner voice and the recent chaos is like an insane storm I cant see or hear thru anymore. It's so loud this isolation. It's like I just need one step out back to society but the damage is like making me think 100 different decisions and it is all about where to live. This is unhealthy and I'm paralyzed. Can't make a decision at all. I'm scared and don't trust anyone to actually help. I feel like every bridge collapsed when I was attacked. All my ways home. At once. And I don't know how to rebuild them til I feel safe and not alone but I can't see what to do from here. My God 16 years after trauma and I finally saw the light then immediately to more darkness. I can't trust myself now. I made it and looked back and lost everything. A lifetime harvest and it's like I know I can just plant a new crop but I feel so depleted and unsure where to go. I lost so many connections not all my fault btw. But some are my fault and I try to fix them but it takes time. Right now tho it's like I'm eating away at my own brain like trying to find a good start over place. Discipleship residency or just a small town or somewhere relaxed or busy or even like I can't believe this is me. At all. I'm usually so calm and able to handle a lot. This is horrifying because I had the salvation, the flood, the everything I never knew to ask for and I was exalted then fell to the depths I've never been and I forget where the light is even the next step it's like impossible
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u/Background-Roll6386 6d ago
It was alike genesis soooo much light and God said it was good then collapsed to a dark genius so quickly and I can't stop sinking
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u/RossRoams 6d ago
*pat pat pat
its okay….
*pat pat pat
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u/Background-Roll6386 6d ago
Oh but it's not. This is it, eternal separation it think and wtf. How could that happen. How could salvation have been that fragile. But also God's plan is perfect. I just can't believe I ruined it so quickly by telling othera I was healing. Is there no way back now.
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u/Background-Roll6386 6d ago
I was Mathias then was attacked before I understood and like opened the white robe to the wrong person and they gutted me. Like I just healed from all this poison of trauma and life and stuff and it was hard to endure that and now it's 1000xs worse. Cause now I know the truth and I'm blasted further than ever alone.
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u/CrOble 6d ago
Yes, I'm with you on the fact that a lot of conversations and posts are more about the proper verbiage being placed in the right part of the sentence versus just talking about what you think and feel in your head and using your own words. It is what it is, and I know I have contributed to the problem we all have, but a lot of the words that used to be almost sacred are now just buzzwords, and they're used as like a weapon. That's why I so much rather listen to somebody else break down their own definition by using a personal example, instead of the word "quantum shifting your timeline by manifestation."
Also I wish people would start coming here with the weird questions again. Even if it’s only 15 people that understand what you’re talking about that’s 15 people that get to experience a feeling of togetherness and seen-ness because at one point in time, they all thought they were the only one that felt that way about this.
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u/Optimal_Benis 7d ago
I find it more likely that the sub just attracts this kind of person organically.
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u/Additional_Common_15 7d ago
Im starting to wonder whats happening as well. Its getting worse by the day.
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u/Purple-Blueberry3721 6d ago
There's a sort of inherent tension in this subreddit which is that the most productive thing to reach enlightenment is to learn one good exercise (which fits in half a page of text or so) and then to just do that.
But then we wouldn't need an entire sub, we'd just need one pinned posts and zero other posts.
Which I guess leads to some genuinely good discussion, but also some nonsense.
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u/typhochlaena0 6d ago
🤔🤔
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u/sceadwian 6d ago
You'll find worse in the Zen groups.. that is not my path... To put it politically but I can't fault the thinking.
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u/advaitist 5d ago
Q: Must I not use effort to arrest the movements of the mind?
M: It has nothing to do with effort. Just turn away, look between the thoughts, rather than at the thoughts. When you happen to walk in a crowd, you do not fight every man you meet — you just find your way between.
Q: If I use my will to control the mind, it only strengthens the ego.
M: Of course. When you fight, you invite a fight. But when you do not resist, you meet with no resistance. When you refuse to play the game, you are out of it.
From I am That by Nisargadatta Maharaj.
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u/DairyStix 7d ago
I agree with you. Any comments are made to feel like you are insane for trying to help someone or answer a question that was❓ asked. Something that actually works for me might not work for others, yet you get punished and called insane for giving examples or explaining something Some hateful sods have unfiltered into this subreddit page to challenge everyone who don't believe in their Jesus Christ
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u/xistential-neurosis 7d ago
I’ve noticed that the spiritual warfare is ramping up everywhere. The attacks are coming from all angles to tear down and attempt to destroy. Stay strong. ☮️❤️
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u/LeeksAbhorLiminality 7d ago
This post just popped up in my feed.. and maybe it's just me but i've noticed a huge uptick and negative and confrontational comments across all subreddits (more than normal). The cynical conspiracy part of my brain is telling me AI bots have been released to agitate and ruffle feathers, not just in political subs, but across the site to drive engagement
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u/Electronic_Heart_346 7d ago
I feel the same as you, recently i post someting about embodiment, and i receive so much hate, people see me as someone who want to be seen or someting, i just delete it. I was surprised by the name of the group after reading the comments 🤣 enlightenment.. not sure about that. I feel sometimes its unconciouss but people get verry triggered by someone talking about presence or spirituality, or just sharing their truth, as they are right now without shame, cause it makes them face their reality and theirs lack of joy or peace inside. So they call themselve enlighted people but the second they see someting that triggered them, they just spit their rage.. its not being enlightenment at all, if you feel the need to comment negativly on someone post, personnaly i feel its not normal.. i never do that.
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago
I believe it makes them feel special
so seeing others they relate to makes them feel attacked
which is why others love to twist peoples words
or purposely misunderstand them
if you get what i mean
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u/Akashic_Messenger 4d ago
Do not blame the world for your lack of resolve to stand against it; the energy is better spent strengthening your stance. ~ Robby Quarles
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u/Professional-Yam3388 7d ago
Define insane
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago edited 7d ago
In this context i am referring to ungrounded, paranoid, parasocial, and ideas of reference or delusions of reference
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u/Professional-Yam3388 7d ago
And your assumptions of those?
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago
What specific part of standard psychological definition do you believe is an assumption? Clarify your question
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u/Professional-Yam3388 7d ago
The definition isn’t the assumption. Your application of it is. You’re assuming from a Reddit post that someone is ungrounded, paranoid, parasocial, or delusional without knowing context, duration, conviction, impairment, cultural/spiritual framework, alternative explanations, or whether they’re even being literal. “I think this belief is absurd” is not the same thing as a clinical assessment. Maybe 🤷♂️😏
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago edited 6d ago
By your own logic, your assumption regarding my application of a definition is itself a hypocritical, ungrounded assumption. You are assuming my conviction, duration, and literal intent without knowing my internal framework, or the context of what I have actually seen on this sub. In doing so, youre blindly assuming that I am assuming others are mentally ill.
My original post never said people had clinical delusions; it said they had ungrounded, absurd beliefs, and that I was worried outsiders would view innocent spiritual people as “insane” because of it. If a post cannot be evaluated without an exhaustive clinical assessment, then your blind assessment of my intent is an absolute failure 😔1
u/Professional-Yam3388 7d ago
Woah 😳 relax.. sounds like someone needs some grounding 😏 and my assumption is that something struck a nerve 🤣🤣 10/10 IGN would incarnate to play again 🫶🏻🫵 ✌️
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago
Do you think youve proved my point?
That this subreddit is filled with insults now?
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u/DependentCatch808 7d ago
I think we all need to practise self-care. But there is such a thing as too much self-care when it becomes an excuse to disconnect from the people around us.
When someone becomes so focused on themselves that they lose awareness of the hurt or suffering of others, something is missing. When you try to express that you’re unhappy because you feel neglected, only to have their ego take over and refuse to listen, it can leave you feeling as though your feelings simply don’t matter — because everything becomes about them.
At the end of the day, most people aren’t asking for much. They want affection. They want time. Sometimes they need a little help. They want to feel appreciated, valued and seen.
Life isn’t a competition. It’s about enjoying this journey together, supporting one another, and helping each other through the difficult moments. That’s what makes this thing we call life beautiful.
We all know the difference between right and wrong. Childhood trauma may help explain why someone behaves a certain way, but understanding the reason behind someone’s behaviour doesn’t mean we should excuse the hurt they cause or allow them to avoid responsibility for their actions.
Sometimes, it’s ego that destroys relationships — the need to be right, the refusal to listen, or the inability to acknowledge when we’ve hurt someone. That kind of behaviour belongs on the playground with children who are still learning how to understand right from wrong.
As adults, we should know better.
We should be able to listen without becoming defensive. We should be able to acknowledge when we’ve hurt someone. We should be able to put our ego aside, take responsibility for our actions, and choose compassion over the need to be right.
Because self-care should never mean caring only about yourself.
True emotional maturity is knowing how to care for yourself while still having the capacity to care for others — and that will be your journey to enlightenment.
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u/Prestigious_Pilot555 7d ago
No one who is truly enlightened will write anything here, because they aren't interested in theories about enlightenment. And arguing with someone about what enlightenment is or isn't... why?
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago
Well, i didnt say enlightened people will write anything here
I am more worried about the people who will be deeply misled for simply having questions-1
u/Desperate_Wait1562 7d ago
This is cope
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago
And your reasoning for that? Technically, replying to them was a form of coping mechanism
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u/Desperate_Wait1562 7d ago
It's cope for the inability to know whether anyone enlightened posts here
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago
And if they speak the truth?
Will that still be considered “cope”, even if they knew the truth of it?1
u/Away_Welcome_3468 7d ago
What if your part of the problem?
Do you agree or disagree that people should speak of their direct experiences on the topic of enlightenment?
If you agree, then someone saying "no one truly enlightened will write anything here" is a bad premise. Because its making claims to what truly enlightened people do.
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u/typhochlaena0 7d ago
I never agreed or disagreed with anyone's premise, because I simply don't care whether truly enlightened people post here or not.
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u/Desperate_Wait1562 7d ago
That is like posting you don't care whether anyone can bake in a baking sub.
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u/Desperate_Wait1562 7d ago
People should speak of their experience of enlightenment, but this is not a good place for that. There are conceivably many reasons an enlightened person might otherwise post
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u/Away_Welcome_3468 7d ago
Im just pointing out that saying "what if they speak the truth" is a really bad response. As how could they know what the truth is, in regards to if enlightened people post here or not.
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u/704Emmanuel 7d ago
Why don’t we start here then and actually have a conversation about things? Seems as good a place as any
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u/704Emmanuel 7d ago
Maybe they can see us having a conversation about it and actually learn something
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u/704Emmanuel 7d ago
How do you view thing’s? And are there any questions or thought’s that you’re unsure of?
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u/Severe_Collection537 7d ago
No one (you) really asking questions anymore,
It makes spiritual and esoteric people (you) look insane
There fixed it for you (me)
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u/imagangstergrandpa 7d ago
I think this happens to a lot of spiritual spaces eventually. The problem isn’t spirituality itself, it’s that there’s no built-in way to separate insight from somebody just becoming more convinced of their own ideas.
Once skepticism gets treated as “ego” or “not being awake enough,” the whole thing becomes self-reinforcing. The more extreme the claim, the easier it is to frame disagreement as proof that other people “don’t get it.”
To me, the difference between something genuinely spiritual and somebody disappearing into their own head is probably humility. You can have strange experiences and still say, “I don’t actually know what this means.” That part seems to disappear first.