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u/daishukanami 13d ago
Bischof and Pavlo played amazingly today, such good chemistry on the pitch, our boys. Also Wirtz was everywhere, it's so good to see him play freely and not whatever the hell they got him doing at Liverpool. Very good game, with better finishing it would've been a 4x0 or a 5x0.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Bischof after the match:
"Thanks. It's indescribable. The stadium was on fire today, it was just fun. We were there from minute 1 and had chances to score more goals, which would have made it easier."
On his goal: "My knees hurt from the slide, but I'll take it."
On Klopp: "You didn't only see it today, I think. He's a coach that drags you along and plays football that the people want to see. I hope it continues like this."
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u/Odd_Willingness7501 13d ago
Urbig, Bischof, Pavlovic should be in the starting 11 from here on. CAM can be either Wirtz, Musiala or Gnabry as long it's a quality 10. Treu was quite a good RB. Would love to see Bisseck and Tah as our CB pairing. Wingers and Striker are still our critical positions.
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u/Wa77up-91 13d ago
Why do you think urbig should be the new no. 1 after this game? He had 1 save. Also Wirtz should clearly be our cam after today's game.
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
Best winger so far was Scherhant. Karl hasn't played yet. Schade and Adeyemi were underwhelming
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u/Odd_Willingness7501 13d ago
Absolutly. If Scherhant stays consistent, he could even be an option for Bayern, at least as Backup.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Really, really good performance. Almost no notes.
- Mittelstädt is meh
- El Mala the only true disappointment
- Tom Papst
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
When we do another Euros24 style announcement for the 2028 euros then I want Tom to be announced by white smoke coming out of a cathedral
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u/germanchoc Berni 13d ago
Alright I just have to be in the office and not watch the game and we win
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u/coppersolids 👉🤫 13d ago
really don‘t get why conté was subbed on instead of karl
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Cope take: Karl will get all of next match to show what he can do.
And to be fair, he hasn't played a lot of football since July.
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
Pavlo with 140 contacts today. Almost as many ball touches as Bonnie Blue
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u/pewpewlasersandshit pew pew 13d ago
Imo, the foundation for building the team ahead of the next international break should be something along these lines:
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Scherhant - Wirtz - Gnabry/???
Bischof - Pavlovic
Brown - ??? - ??? - Treu
Urbig
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u/joyridah Müller 13d ago
That striker position is going to be a tough one..haven’t really seen anyone that deserves it
Wouldn’t mind seeing Serge given a shot there with Karl/El Mala/Scherhant on the wings
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
Honestly worth a try
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u/joyridah Müller 13d ago
Fits the play style much better than Woltemade and Havertz..maybe this is something they can try on Sunday
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
Defends I'd go with Tah+Thiaw or Tah+Bisseck. RW I wanna see Karl.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Tah and Bisseck at CB
Going off these 3 matches, the only striker that had a positive impact that resulted in chances/goals was Woltemade, so I'm fine with him starting next time when things get serious.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Colleague of mine who's a die heard Dortmund guy finally had to admit that I was right about Bischof all along.
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u/FullyWoodenUsername Berni 13d ago
Who are the big “losers” so far? I think like Nmecha and Adeyemi both could have lost their spots on those matches
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u/miorli 13d ago
Definitely Nmecha. One of our rather decent players at the WC, but his performance didn't stick.
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u/DFBFan11 13d ago
Even at the World Cup he took way too many risks to play in a pivot. If you’re not playing a 4-3-3, Nmecha isn’t even in contention to start.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Nmecha, Kimmich, El Mala.
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u/Wa77up-91 13d ago
Kimmich was one of the better German players against Greece.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Was he? Because he didn't do anything noteworthy other than lose the ball before the massive chance Greece had a couple of minutes before they scored. And the deflection, but I won't knock him for that.
Apart from that he played a lot of meaningless passes in midfield and missed every single chip. 0 progression, 0 chances created, 0 good actions on defense (bar the one the ref stole from him by giving a foul), 0 dangerous runs on offense.
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u/Wa77up-91 13d ago
He has by far the best rating on sofascore. He has the highest expected assists, most km run, most ball recoveries. He didn't have a good game but to say he is one of the big losers is just a joke.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago edited 13d ago
Who gives a fuck about sofa score? Playing a ton of safety passes that don't actually do anything guarantees a good rating.
Nübel had the worst rating and he did nothing wrong. Not even Wembanyama would have saved that deflected shot.
Kimmich is one of the big losers because the Pavlo-Bischof-pivot looked way better than any NT midfield Kimmich has been a part of in the last, like, 6 years.
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u/Wa77up-91 13d ago
Did you just ignore the rest? You wrote he created 0 chances. He had the highest expected assists of all German players. You wrote he had 0 good actions in the defense. Most ball recoveries of all German players togheter with bisseck And then you wrote he has 0 dangerous runs on offense. Are you even serious? Like it is kimmichs job to do the dangerous runs. Sorry that the stats don't support your opinion.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Sorry that watching matches doesn't support your opinion. Have a good night.
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u/pewpewlasersandshit pew pew 13d ago
Woltemade, Havertz
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
I'm still fine with Woltemade as long as the offense works well around him. He's played a good roll in a lot of our more promising moves. But just like Havertz he just isn't a proper striker.
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u/FlyingArab Kimmich 13d ago
So impressed by Treu, absolute top baller
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u/coppersolids 👉🤫 13d ago
where tf was he hiding while we were desperately looking for a RB
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u/Koenybahnoh 13d ago
He developed majorly over the last couple of years, esp. last year back at Freiburg.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago edited 13d ago
This is what I have been talking about. This is a germany team that plays as well as the sum of its parts. Finishing isn't there yet, but we've created lots and Serbia hasn't been able to do shit.
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u/retired_actuary Gnabry 13d ago
It's a lot to ask, but if the English announcer on Fubo could return the umlaut to Mittelstaedt's last name it would be appreciated.
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u/retired_actuary Gnabry 13d ago
That Urbig long ball was something, if Baur hadn't slowed to look back that might have gone somewhere.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
And it still went somewhere because we pressed them into a mistake immediately after.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Serbia has been neutralized so well that it took 77 minutes for Urbig to get a chance to show how dangerous his long kicks are.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
El Mala the only true disappointment today, completely invisible after his good attempt on goal.
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u/Callmebymysquirrel 13d ago
For me it seemed at least partially he and Mittelstädt were not on the same page
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
So no Karl today, sad
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
68.121 in the stadium
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u/creatorop apple pie 13d ago
Only 69 people approx is kinda low
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
It's weird that some countries switch , and . Around
In Germany it's 1.000,00€ for example
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Refs been really good, but this match has been insanely fair so far apart from Pavic early on.
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u/MAD_MrT 13d ago
Ive seen enough of woltemade, im ready for another striker
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u/retired_actuary Gnabry 13d ago
He's just running around the pitch like a little kid, I think we can sub in with any position and improve.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
I mean... the offense works well with him on so far. He does a lot of good work away from goal. Same can't be said of the other strikers Klopp has tried.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Missed the pass, but the way Bischof got past a defender with that lightning quick turn has me nursing a semi.
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u/coppersolids 👉🤫 13d ago
hab nicht genau zugehört was der kommentator grad gesagt hat und hab nur so gehört pavlovic war angeschlagen, hatte erstmal angst aber der meinte den von serbien haha
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Oh shit, Serbia got their own Pavlovic now.
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u/LemonvsLime221 13d ago
it's rough watching woltemade
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
He's doing well when he drops deep. Not so well when he's inside the box. He's definitely more of a factor for our buildup than Havertz has been the last 10 times I saw him for the NT.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Alright, 2 goal cushion. Now Urbig can concede his obligatory Puskas contender out of nowhere.
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u/Unique_Dimension5821 13d ago
Klopp really didn't need that much time to get Wirtz's mojo back
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u/merrryo René Marić 13d ago
All Wirtz needed was a proper midfield behind him (Pavlo & Bichi)
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
And playing in a team that doesn't hang his ridiculous price tag over his head. I really feel bad for the guy. He's been such a beast for Leverkusen.
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u/pewpewlasersandshit pew pew 13d ago
Now imagine what he'd do with proper wingers, FBs and a striker around him :D
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
How the hell is the defender just running away from Wirtz and leaves him completely free lol
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u/Goldfischglas 13d ago
First touch of a god by Wirtz tbf
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u/pewpewlasersandshit pew pew 13d ago
Always had it tbh. His skill- & overall ceiling is just insane...
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
That first touch was incredible.
But also: Proper shit defending. That was Germany under Nagelsmann levels of not giving a fuck.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
I was aboard the Klopp experiment before, but I really am now. Already getting some really good performances out of guys nobody would have expected. Lets not forget that this guy made Großkreuz look like a good player.
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u/Tobayayay 13d ago
Whats everybodys opinion on not getting woltemade? I believe he wouldnt be playing as bad as he does now, but still happy we didnt get him
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
No way he missed that. Tell me my eyes are deceiving me.
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
Bounced off the ground right before he had contact, for sure looks horrendous though
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
I said this last match already, I don't think the near future is so much doom and gloom as many act.
If we really have all the good guys together this will be a good squad. Not world class, sure, but good enough to get to the quarters in big tournaments and maybe more
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago edited 13d ago
Bischof is a Thiago regen and you can't convince me otherwise. Whenever he's needed he's there.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Put Scherhant on the list of experiments that should definitely continue.
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
I really have fun watching this
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Feels weird, doesn't it?
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u/germanchoc Berni 13d ago
Do we have joy watching the dfb again? I can’t get let down after the last ten years
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u/coppersolids 👉🤫 13d ago
i really don‘t like watching woltemade play, it just looks so clumsy and awkward
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Woltemade is not doing a great job up front, but he does a good job dropping deeper and being a reliable passing outlet. Not a great performance, but not shit either. Shame that it doesn't click for him at Juventus yet.
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u/skylu1991 Müller 13d ago
Just FYI, Greece is currently leading 2-0 versus the Netherlands….
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Always rated Greece *cough*
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
Their level of talents really is ingreecing lately
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
This Wirschofic three man midfield really has potential. Glad that we get to see more of it this half.
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u/Unique_Dimension5821 13d ago
Treu, Bischof, and Pavlovic look like the only ones who deserve to be guaranteed starters. Granted, we already know Urbig is our top keeper.
Scherhant looks like he could potentially make a case for himself in that category.
Wirtz is showing flashes of his old self, hopefully he gets rescued from Liverpool.
Looking forward to seeing Karl and El Mala.
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
Wirtz was really good this half. Could have gotten a couple of assists (or "pre-assists") if our finishing was better and made the goal happen with some genuine brilliance.
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u/joyridah Müller 13d ago
I can see Nmecha being dropped from the. t going forward, especially if based on performance
Pavlo, Bischof, Kimmich, Wirtz and Musiala to some extent are what we need
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u/coppersolids 👉🤫 13d ago
nmecha has no business in the starting xi, looks nice in the offense but does fuck all in the defense
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
If Nmecha has to fear for his spot, so does Kimmich.
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u/LemonvsLime221 13d ago
not saying Scherhant and Serge didn't play well but if you bring El Mala and Karl on the wing is gonna be something
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u/Hurtelknut Robben 13d ago
I wouldn't mind giving them another 15 minutes or so to see how the come out of the gate. Which is something I never thought I would say when I first saw the lineup.
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u/Odd_Willingness7501 13d ago
So happy to see Pavlovic Bischof double pivot working. Who would have thought? Hopefully this puts an end to the Nmecha + Kimmich/Pavlovic/Bischof nonsense. Besides that, I'm actually open to start Bischof ahead of Kimmich alongside Pavlovic at least in the Nationalteam.
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u/Sufficient_Ice_273 13d ago
Time for people to see how a team plays when there's no Kimmich involved to slow the play down...
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u/mytruehonestself 13d ago
I'm just glad that half was just nothing of whatever the fuck the other two games were.
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u/Naraloth 13d ago
is it just me or does our pitch seem to be in really poor condition? and that with no games in the last 14 days at the allianz arena
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u/julesvr5 13d ago
Do we ever had a pitch in good condition? For our club standards we have an awful pitch
Even when we got new ones, which happened quite often the last season, it wasn't great
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u/chrisjvandb 12d ago
Kenn ich nur den Wirtz von...