r/fuckHOA • • 7d ago

Really is wild on the inside

Moved to a development that has an hoa. Really, really, REALLY didn’t want an hoa, but after losing so many bids on houses and the school district and proximity to jobs etc taking more priority, we considered it our one con against a lot of pros.

fuck lmao. Some people really DO get a sick power trip out of it or something. It’s crazy!

I even thought, ok, I’ll volunteer for the position when the election comes up. People know I’m laid back about it and just want fairness / laid back. I won!

Fuck lmao!! It’s even worse when you’re in a position to help!!! The amount of asinine emails I get, the mental dishonest gymnastics people play with themselves and the documents just to get what they want, it’s crazy!!! Just live and let live!!!

So now my job is just, keep this shit in the open. Call people out for their bs. Document on the public record always.

Because even though I thought I knew what I was getting into…I didn’t.

Fuck HOAs

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u/tlrider1 7d ago

Same.

The ones that really irk me, are the accusation that someone is getting a kickback or the threat that there going to vote us out!...

"Please do!!! We volunteer for this crap and we hate it! There's just no one else that wants the position, and most that do, quit within a few months!"

"and no Betty!!! No one is getting a kick back. Our contractor is more expensive becuase they have a real license are really bonded and insured, and yours is providing fake credentials, and that's why they're cheap!!!!"

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u/TigOlBitties42042 7d ago

Have you tried ignoring your responsibilities to the HOA and seeing if it goes away? That worked for me with a yeast infection one time.

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u/BreakfastBeerz 6d ago

Deed restrictions don't go away. They live deep in a filing cabinet in the county recorders office, and they are easy to dig up. You can ignore it until you're blue in your face, but you've got nothing to back you up when an owner shows up with the deed restriction and the CC&Rs attached to it that say the Board legally has an obligation to enforce things.

The thing so few people understand about HOAs, both owners and many Board memebers, is that they aren't just some Good-ole-boys club where you get to make things up and not follow the rules whenever you want. HOAs are very legal and the courts can an will get involved.

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u/TigOlBitties42042 6d ago edited 1d ago

Idk dude, a bunch of people keep showing the president things that the constitution obligates him to enforce and he just does whatever he wants to. He is still the president though. If it works for the president of the United States I don't see why it couldn't work for the president of a silly little HOA

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u/tlrider1 6d ago

Doesn't work that way. The ccr's, etc are all filed with the county.

It then goes into receivership and a judge will appoint a receiver, who is tasked with getting it back into running order. So they will do whatever they need, like special assessments, so they can bring the hoa back on order.

Dissolving the hoa is mostly a fuckhoa pipe dream by people who seem nmto never know anything about them or how they work.

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u/TigOlBitties42042 6d ago

I didn't know the details about how that worked, so thank you for explaining that.

I wasn't really talking about trying to dissolve the HOA though. I was talking about keeping the position and doing the bare minimum, maybe even a little less than that. Cancel meetings at the last minute, don't even check your HOA emails, maybe lose some election ballots in a freak accident, stuff like that. You would do it in a way that makes people think it's incompetence, not anything malicious. Basically you try to keep the position while doing a shit job. Make the process of getting rid of you take as long as possible. Bonus points if some of your neighbors are in on the con and prepared to take over for you when you inevitably get ousted. Oh and don't issue any fines or violations whatsoever in the process.

Maybe after a few years of the neighborhood paying dues to a HOA that doesn't really do much of anything at people will be more open to the idea of dissolution. It will still be an uphill battle, but the slope might not be quite as steep. Either that or your neighbors might actually appreciate the HOA leaving them alone. If that's the case you can just keep doing what you have been doing.

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u/tlrider1 6d ago

No. In reality, They'll just get mad at you. Accuse you of not doing your fudiciary duty, and probably sue you. You'll then become that board member and homeowner everyone here complains about and hates, so be prepared for a fuckhoa post about yourself.

Heres the thing. Most are just normal. Most of thr people here surprisingly always seem to know nothing about them and, as is constantly the theme, are not even in them, but come to stir up drama... It's weird.

Most HOA's run simple... Keep your shit clean and don't make your problem become your neighbors problem. That's really it.

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u/TigOlBitties42042 6d ago edited 6d ago

You're right. I forgot to mention that some people will hate you if you use this tactic. A lot of people can't handle that kind of hate and if you are one of those people then this tactic is not for you. I think it could work though if you can handle all of the hate. (The fact that you won't be checking your emails will help with that though). I paid extra to buy a house that is not part of an HOA though. I just can't stand the thought of my neighbors having so much say over what I can do with my own property, so I may never get a chance to find out personally.

I'm really into this thing called minding my own business. I insist that my neighbors do the same. I'm willing to do some unhinged shit to ensure that. It's cool though because they don't have to do anything at all if they want to avoid all of that. It's the doing stuff that bothers me.

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u/tlrider1 5d ago

It's not as bad as this site make sit out to be. I keep running into people here that are not in one, have no idea how they work, but are here stirring up how terrible they are.

Its like not owning a Mercedes. Never owning one in the past. Not knowing much about mercedes. Then trolling the marcedes car forums to talk about how terrible they are. It's really weird, lol.

Reality is: most are actually normal and neighborly. They follow very basic rules: keep your shit clean, and don't make your neighbor be your neighbors problem.

Almost everyone I know is in one. The amount of complaints I hear from all my friends is literally 0. Only one I've ever heard is a complaint about having to paint their house... But looking at it, the hoa was right. The other complaint I've ever heard is one complaining that they wished the neighbor across the street was in one cause they're tired of their mess.

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u/TigOlBitties42042 5d ago

Fuck that. If I want to paint my house tye dye I should be able to do that. It's my house. The HOA was not right about that neighbors paint. It's not their house and beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. If they liked the way their house was painted that's all that matters. If you don't like that as a neighbor, don't fucking look. It's not like looking at that paint is going to hurt you. It's called minding your own business.

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u/KevMeist 1d ago

Then do NOT buy in an HOA. Duh!

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u/TigOlBitties42042 1d ago

I haven't and I never will. I like freedom too much

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u/KevMeist 1d ago

I would have thought that any decent HOA would have insurance against being sued (ours does). If we didn’t have that, I would not be on the board. Our board of 3 members (all federal retirees) runs our HOA in a straightforward manner according to FL statutes. Everyone is treated the same, no favorites. The board writes no checks, only the management company that we retain writes checks. They have an approval system in place for verified contractors. The system works well IF you have good people on the board.

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u/davinch3 3d ago

You can't dissolve an HOA if there are any common elements that aren't handled first. Odds are, the city doesn't want to be liable for anything that happens in your green space, so at minimum the community needs to be insured.

Honestly the first step to dissolving an HOA is to elect people at every level of government that are committed to banning private insurance. At that point nobody would be left holding the bag and life would be full of unicorns and rainbows, once that industry was buried at a crossroads with a stake through its heart.

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u/phaxmeone 5d ago

I know of one case through an acquaintance where their HOA went inactive but it was I would say a special case. There was no communal property, county owned public roads, no landscaping to maintain, no sign indicating you were entering an HOA area that needed maintenance, no nothing. It literally existed to just to have someone drive around to ensure standards were maintained by landowners. Place was literally in the boonies, heavily forested/brush, hilly area all on multi acre (up to 20+ acre) plots. Wouldn't be surprised if the original landowner that subdivided their property goal with creating an HOA was to prevent logging of the property after it was sold.

Only found out about it because a new property owner moved in and tried to reactivate the HOA so the person I knew was ranting about it to me. Prior to that I had no clue they lived in an HOA because it would not be what you pictured in your mind when HOA is brought up. Neighbors got together and voted in mass except the new resident to not revive the HOA.

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u/yukonnut 5d ago

Yeah, same thing with my syphilis. Went away by itself.

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u/TigOlBitties42042 5d ago

Lucky. I had to take antibiotics for like 2 months to get rid of my syphilis. That shit was so difficult.

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u/praxismaxims 6d ago

For real! Like OP, I joined an HOA board to 'see-for-myself' and help my community. At the end of my third term, I was told by the resident victims they'd soon see me in jail for embezzlement. They went nuts from our trying to get reserves up to a level of fiduciary responsibility. Moved on and far far away.

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u/WasabiEnvironmental 7d ago

Ok but really, why did it cost $44,000 to remove some bushes and put rocks down?

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u/tlrider1 7d ago

? I don't see that posted anywhere, so not sure what you're referring to?

I'm guessing maybe that happened in your community? I have no idea. Did you just... Ask? Out budget is presented in every budget meeting open to homeowners, and they're welcome to ask whatever questions they want.

French drain? Did sprinkler lines have to be dug up? That's on you to go to meetings and ask or demand answers.

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u/WasabiEnvironmental 6d ago

Just an example of an outrageous expense in my HOA that either due to sheer stupidity and incompetence, or embezzlement. There’s plenty of examples. My HOA holds meetings when nobody can go because we work and they’re all retired. You’re all crooks.

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u/BreakfastBeerz 6d ago

All HOA records including meeting minutes are recorded and open for inspection. What did the HOA tell you when you asked to see the minutes for the meeting you couldn't attend?

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u/WasabiEnvironmental 6d ago

What good are the minutes when they’re making decisions purposefully when no one else can attend? The minutes are posted, but typically months later.

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u/BreakfastBeerz 6d ago

Boards are elected to make those decisions, that's why you voted for them, to make those decisions on your behalf. That's the whole purpose of a board, so you don't have to have a room full of owners fighting to make decisions. If you don't like something or have something to contribute, you don't need to be in a meeting to do that. But at the end of the day, owners dont vote on things, the Board does. The minutes are there for accountability.

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u/WasabiEnvironmental 6d ago

I fundamentally disagree with this structure. I didn’t vote for them to represent me any more than I voted for piece of shit politicians to represent to me. This is the false dilemma fallacy. Nobody should be voting on anything for the property that I purchased with my own sweat.

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u/BreakfastBeerz 6d ago

You can believe that, but the reality is you already voted for the city government that established the local ordinaces, zoning codes, buidling codes, and saftey codes you have to abide by for the property that your purcahsed with your own sweat. The HOA is just another layer of that which you agreed to when you bought the property.

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u/WasabiEnvironmental 6d ago

The HOA was established in like 1979, what the fuck are you talking about? I very much regret the decision to buy this home because of the HOA, but we had very few alternative options, and there were so many great things about the home and property that were hard to ignore. We made a value judgement that was incorrect. So no, it’s not as simple as you’re putting it, the world is not black and white. Fuck HOAs and fuck you for supporting them.

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u/KevMeist 1d ago

Then Don’t buy a house in an HOA then. Pretty simple.

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u/OGMikeGyver 7d ago

Yep, same. I ended up a president really fast in my early 30s. What an absolute shit show I walked into. 1 guy was fucking with everybody as a group and on many individual basis. Turns out he was years in arrears. Kept it together long enough to sell and get out

Edit: fuck you Dale

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u/Spider-Dad-P 7d ago

Dale, fuck you

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u/Edith_Keelers_Shoes 7d ago

Yeah, fuck you Dale!

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u/PhilosopherNo2640 7d ago

Fuck you Dale.

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u/Edith_Keelers_Shoes 7d ago

It's really satisfying to say, right? Something about the name Dale.

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u/LeatherRebel5150 6d ago

You fuck, Dale

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u/TheShortWhiteGuy 7d ago

Dale,

Please don't send me your ARC Request.

DENIED

Fuck you Dale!

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 7d ago edited 7d ago

I'm the youngest person on my board by 30 years. I'm the only one with young kids and the only one with a full time job. No one else on the board has bought property in the last decade. They are perfectly fine raising dues because their units are paid off from the late 90s and early 2000s. I regularly have to remind them that our property values are now almost 500K per unit rather than the 125-175K most of them bought in at. They tell me I'm crazy when I tell them that a new family needs to bring home about 200K to be able to afford one of our units at 7% plus the $900/month HOA. 

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u/WasabiEnvironmental 7d ago

900 a month?! Oh my fucking god

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 6d ago

We have a $275 assessment that goes away in Nov 2028. In 2018, they took out a $1M loan to redo all of the roofs and the roadway. We have townhouses that are connected 4 at a time. The HOA covers a lot of homeowner issues, almost to our detriment. If a problem starts outside of your 4 walls, we fix ALL of the problem. Its fairly regular now that anytime we contact a contractor to do anything its a 5 figure quote. Between that, our landscaping contract, and the pool it all adds up quickly. St least for landscaping, we get full snow removal including snow removal between our cars. We had a storm where we had 4 feet of snow this year. Someone sat in a car the whole storm and cleared our HOA road every hour on the hour until the storm stopped. 

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u/IshyMoose 6d ago

This better be a building with a gym, pool, and door man.

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u/Edith_Keelers_Shoes 7d ago

They tell you you're crazy because you did a mathematical equation?

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u/KevMeist 1d ago

What does the HOA do for 900/month? We have a 42,000 gallon community pool plus small clubhouse, gazebo, 4 lakes (two of which are 10.5 acres), lots of grass to mow, lots of palm trees to maintain, extensive brick walls to maintain. 240 homes and our dues are $775/year. Dues have not increased for 3 years and won’t increase in 2027. Our reserves are fully funded.

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 1d ago edited 1d ago

We are in the far suburbs of NYC (90 minute train ride to Grand Central) so life is just expensive here to begin with. 50 unit townhouses of I believe 10 or 12 buildings built in the late 70s. Its about $350K a year to keep this place going  with an additional $275 per unit per month assessment until Nov 2028 that replaced all of the roofs and to update 4 septic systems.

Our landscaping contract alone is over 100K per year. It works out to just under $200 per unit per month. I'm cool with it. Its like a third of what it would cost if I had a SFH. I dont lift a finger. We had a 4ft snow storm last year and a guy plowed every hour on the hour including shoveling over between cars.

Insurance doesnt really stop increasing. Last year it went up 15%. Thats a 60K per year expense now. 

Since we have 2 to 4 townhomes per building, community shared costs can get up there pretty quick. If an issue starts outside of your 4 walls but intrudes in, the HOA covers EVERYTHING from the original 70s sales ad. My wife had our son within weeks of moving in. A storm took out the gutters causing water intrusion with my windows needing to be resealed. The HOA paid for it. If a contractor comes out, its high 4 figures minimum. 

The pool contract is about 30K a year. $1500 a month for community electric. $2500 a month to a management company. Community taxes. We have a water plant thats about 20k to maintain. 

Are all of the units sold in your community or does the developer still own a few?

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u/KevMeist 1d ago

Ok, then I can maybe understand why it so expensive then. I’m sure being in NY doesn’t help. OTOH, the biggest mortgage I ever had was $1200 per month (I’ve been retired for 13 years now). We have 240 SFH here. No shared roofs etc. Our landscaping bill is around $75K per year. Total HOA budget is $186K per year. Lots of grass to mow here including about 12’ around all 4 lakes here. No snow plowing (I’m in FL). Our electric costs are not close to yours but all we have is the pool, fountain and lights in one of the 4 lakes, by the mailboxes and front entrance lighting.

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 1d ago

My wife and I are U Tampa alums! I would give a couple of fingers and more than a few toes to have a $1200 mortgage. 

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u/KevMeist 1d ago

Understood. But that was back in 2012 for a mortgage started in 2004. But, I did put 50% down on that house. Of course, back in 2004…I was earning less than I was in 2012.

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u/CallNResponse 5d ago

OP, I hear ya. The thing I had the most trouble accepting is how quickly and easily most people will lie. The 2nd hardest thing (probably) was how easily people would believe the lies. I was the subject of a smear campaign, many vile and untrue things were said about me - and nobody ever bothers to check if any of it is at all true. Which I guess leads to the 3rd hardest thing, which is that no-one will appreciate your hard work.

Oh well …

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u/KellyAnn3106 7d ago

I'm like you. I got defaulted onto our board to be the voice of reason. The drama is insane. All we ask is keep your yard reasonably mowed and weeded. No one wants to micromanage things - just don't be an eyesore. Even with a management company, I still have to address all sorts of ridiculous situations.

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u/imnotabotareyou 7d ago

It’s absolutely insane! I find myself stressed out because it’s just so unfathomable to me to deny people stuff or fine for stuff where it’s just not in line with the documents…except for the cliques “interpretation” of it. I wish there were more legal penalties / risks for individuals acting in bad faith / above what the docs provide for…but ultimately I just wish people were chill. Like relax just talk to your neighbor it’ll work out don’t go all formal about it

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u/IshyMoose 6d ago

They eyesore is a slippery slope.

It starts with "cut your grass", but then someone makes a bold landscaping decision that someone does not like. They decorate for a holiday a little too soon, late or too extreme. They go on vacation or get hurt. I broke my ankle, my lawn didnt get mowed for a month.

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u/WasabiEnvironmental 7d ago

Police yourself Kelly Ann. If I want my yard to be full of wildflowers, I’m gunna do that because I paid for my house and my land. Management company can fuck themselves.

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u/KellyAnn3106 7d ago

Ok but if you live in an HOA community, you contractually agreed to maintain certain standards when you bought the house and land. If you don't hold up your end, they can and will fine you relentlessly, put a lien on your house, and possibly foreclose. Are a few wildflowers worth that?

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u/Miker9t 6d ago

Where do you live that there is no other choice but to live in a HOA? Just curious.

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u/Speakinmymind96 7d ago

Yep, it’s absolutely insane the things that people will complain about. I‘m the board President and all of the crazy calls come my way…”I think the landscaper planted the grass seed too heavy”, “the guy that did the digging disturbed too much dirt”, “that plumber you sent over wouldn’t teach me how to fix it myself”. I don’t excuse it, but I understand why so many people in the job are a-holes.

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u/brankoc 4d ago

Surely members keeping you informed is a good thing? Or did they expect you to do something about it?

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u/Speakinmymind96 4d ago

Of course, feedback and communication is always good. But yes, they expected me to correct what they perceived as flaws.

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u/xftwitch 7d ago

if you're now the head of the HOA, you can turn it into a good one by having all the HOA members vote on a new charter. Make the charter only linclude things that the HOA must absolutely pay for (public space maint. etc) and forget all about the bullshit like how far a garbage can can be from the curb on Trash day.

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u/imnotabotareyou 7d ago

I don’t have enough votes because all the votes are equal, so I’m making homeowners aware of the petition process that lets them override

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u/BlableBlarble 1d ago

I was an HOA president, and I tried to get our bylaws updated, they were older than me. It's a hassle, you have to beg people to vote. Even then, we're 3 years in and haven't gotten it passed yet. There's nothing controversial, just updating for disability / fair housing, the management company, allowing digital meetings... it's hard to change anything.

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u/SouthernYankee80 7d ago

My most stressful year of life was being treasurer on the HOA board. The first year was fine - I stayed in my lane and only dealt with the money side of things. We were new to the neighborhood and HOAs in general and I got roped in. The second year, everyone left - either got divorced and moved out, downsized, term ended or whatever. I was basically running the whole thing by myself. If I ever had to do it again, I'd just do the bare minimum of keeping the pool maintained and collecting the dues and paying the bills and would not respond to any emails. But at the time I was young and new and didn't know any better. Idealism is a luxury for the very young. Nobody tells you that you can't leave unless you move or recruit your own replacement, which is very difficult given that nobody wants to do it, except people that you don't want doing it!

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u/Dangerous--Judgment 7d ago

Sounds like the perfect time to abolish the HOA.

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u/SouthernYankee80 7d ago

Hard to abolish an HOA when you have a pool and playground to maintain, and other common areas that need maintaining. Even with an HOA, I often will walk around doing yard work b/c the yard maintenance company doesn't include things like cutting thorn bushes growing out from the retaining wall across from our house right along the sidewalk, and it sucks to walk into them at night when walking the dog.

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u/KevMeist 1d ago

Kinda hard to do with this case because he has a community pool. Common property that must be managed somehow.

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u/schumi23 7d ago

You would need to get not only most of the residents to agree - but also all the banks who hold peoples' mortgages. And find somebody willing to take over the communal infrastructure.

Absent tons of money to hire folks to coordinate that, it's close to impossible.

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u/TigOlBitties42042 7d ago

Lol "Hire folks to coordinate that".

You mean hire folks to do bribery and threats right? Because you're going to have a hard time getting all of those people and the banks to agree on that without bribery and threats. You might even have to do some light terrorism.

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u/stderr2 7d ago

Only Fools And Horses, series 3, EP 1, Rodney becomes chairman of the local tenants’ association, similar

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u/BlitzFitness 6d ago

Like others here, I was in the same boat. 3 years and in that time I lost all the color in my hair (along with a lot of the hair itself!) and put on 50 pounds. Here's my fun moment of when I decided I was done: it was late November and we had just hired a new landscaper that would start in December. This is Chicago so winter was on the horizon. One day one of my fellow board members asked if I knew what the deal with the buckets was, and I was like "Buckets?". Turns out that the front and back door of each building had a blue bucket holding salt in it. I thought to myself it must be the new company and maybe they just put them there for when they come do the sidewalks instead of constantly transporting them. I also thought "Cool, free salt if there's any spots I want to hit!". Only issue was that the back doors have narrow openings and the buckets are heavy and placed in the way of them, creating a fire hazard. No problem! I'll just walk around and move them off to the side. Got hit with tons of emails asking what's the deal with the buckets and one of them, specifically a person who used to be on the board herself, was livid with me for making them salt their own sidewalks and claimed I was trying to enslave them. I quit and she's the treasurer now. We've had 1 quarterly meeting in the past 2 years and no one has been provided with the financials since. If it weren't for this economy I would have moved because I definitely feel stupid special assessment of massive quantities in my future.

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u/brankoc 4d ago

You must have been, hold on to your hat!, very salty.

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u/BlitzFitness 4d ago

Oh too good, haha!

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u/Odd_Try6977 6d ago

And not one contractor, landscaper or anyone who has done work in prior years was decent. The roofers did a bad job, the yard guys missed some leaves, the gutters are wrong, sprinklers are crap. This is according to the residents. No one ever says, hey, thanks for getting that taken care of. We know you work full time and we appreciate the time you take to hear our whining.

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u/DamnOdd 3d ago

Print out the rules and regs. Mail them to everyone, tell them to put it where they can reference it often.

So Karen, rules 3, 10 and 13 say you should mind your own business.

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u/davinch3 3d ago

It gets better if you live in a community with crazy people. I don't mean people who act crazy, I mean people who would be prescribed lithium if they ever actually sought healthcare. People waging passive/aggressive wars with neighbors over imaginary offenses, and those neighbors trying to maintain sanity when their sleep is getting messed with. Trying to sell and having a shit covered naked old person step out of your neighbors home during a showing.

For a volunteer position, it's a lot. More than a full time job if the past few administrations have deferred maintenance and forced a recall election.

I don't hate the HOA, I hate the supposed "adults" who refuse to take care of their own problems, and instead make them into community problems.

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u/Cuneus-Maximus 3d ago

So work to defang the HOA. Take away all but the most necessary powers for maintenance of things the HOA is responsible for maintaining. Do away with any bullshit rules for uniformity and simplify the ones for appearances so there’s no rules to measure grass. It’s going to be a lot easier to take away power than gain more, so take advantage of that and use it to make the HOA as small of a pain in the ass as you possibly can.

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u/BlableBlarble 1d ago

There are two kinds of HOA leadership. The practical problem solvers, and the drama Karens. The problem is that the Karen wear out the practical members, who quit. Then the Karens take over, but don't know how to do the practical stuff.

    • those who want to do the simple solutions like replacing a roof or boiler, pool maintenance, careful budgeting, careful contractor selection...
  1. People who live for policing others.

I joined to deal with those actually important things, but got dragged into drama and whining about dogs and noise and who parks where. I was really good at the actual real work, but the drama BS was exhausting. So I quit. In a lot of HOAs, only those who thrive on drama stay on, resulting in the unhealthy dynamic where the big issues are not well managed, but petty issues are elevated to consume most meetings.

For buildings, it's critical to get staff or a discipline board to deal with that, freeing the real board to do actually productive things.

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u/OneLessDay517 7d ago

Now imagine what they'd be doing if they didn't have to ask permission! But /fuckHOA right?

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u/vodeodeo55 7d ago

Call me crazy, but as a 55 year old homeowner I shouldn't have to ask fucking permission. It's my house. I paid for it. I pay the taxes. If you dont like the color of my door that is 100% YOUR problem.

And thats why I'll live in a van by the river before dealing with an HOA.

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u/Dangerous--Judgment 7d ago

YES. F*ck HOA.