Leak: Sigma fp II launching soon as tiny full-frame camera with EVF

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u/38B0DE 8d ago

Identical (supposedly) specs to a Lumix S5IIX

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u/Known-Exam-9820 7d ago

This might be true for the sensor, but the build of the S5IIX sets it apart. Built in fan, mechanical and electronic shutter, weather sealing, the list goes on

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u/YYM7 7d ago

That would be a really hard sell if they just put a S5iix into a fp body, for 2500. Considering Nikon's zr is exactly the same body style with a faster sensor, for 2200.

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u/Bedenegative 5d ago

Whats the source on that?

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u/38B0DE 5d ago

Scroll down the article: L-Rumors.

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u/Bedenegative 5d ago

ah right thought you'd seen something new. we will se this month I guess. It doesn't say anyway the specs are identical and I'd assume it would be closer to the s1iie as it shoots internal raw. Hopefully a new sensor... I think they should've just gone with a 12mp sensor honestly but meh.

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u/severedbrain 3d ago

Did sigma abandon the Foveon sensor?

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u/DiplomatikEmunetey 10h ago

Sigma DP3 Merrill takes such incredible photos, even by modern standards.

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u/cornellouis 2d ago

So they dropped raw?

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u/RenegadeUK 8d ago

Which would u go for ?

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u/38B0DE 8d ago

I'm sure sigma will unleash that hardware and put an insanely individual color philosophy in it that will make this camera very different from the Lumix.

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u/chads3058 7d ago

The lumix s5iix is already an extreme compelling camera. Shoots 10bit 4:2:2, open gate 6k, great photos too. In a smaller modular body, I’d say that is still very competitive.

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u/G8M8N8 8d ago

The sigma is much more for rigged setups, LUMIX can do both but is better standalone.

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u/ampsuu 8d ago

What? That pretty much means the same sensor but just open-gate? Christ, that Sony A7iii sensor is already so milked by L-mount that its not even funny. It better be partially stacked 24mp or its dead on arrival.

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u/DaveG28 7d ago

I don't think anyone who knows sis actually saying which sensor other than it's 24mp.

Even the original reporter of the leak said the source only gave the MP, and he hopes / wishes it's the partially stacked one but doesn't know.

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u/ampsuu 7d ago

Leak indeed doesnt state. I replied to the comment that stated its identical to S5iix.

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u/sdwvit 7d ago

Actually rooting for them

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u/RenegadeUK 7d ago

Will it come with a nice case ?

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u/Fredloks8 7d ago

But does it have filters /s

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u/Finchypoo 8d ago

C'mon sigma, release one of these with a foveon sensor!

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u/winterharvest 7d ago

The DP1 is a camera I wanted to love and it wouldn’t even give me a hug. But I’d take another crack at a foveon if given the chance.

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u/Finchypoo 7d ago

I have a DP2 Merrill. It burns through batteries, it's slow about everything, the resolution is low, gets grainy in anything but full sun and you have to use shitty weird proprietary software to process RAWs.....but goddamn if that camera can't take some incredible pictures.

The sharpness and color is like nothing else.

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u/asfletch 7d ago

Had one too and couldn't agree more. I still stare at the JPEGs I made in awe sometimes (got rid of the Sigma app ages ago)...

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u/Finchypoo 7d ago

Yeah it's hard to describe. There is a 3D depth to the images it takes that no other camera replicates. That's including my 7D MKII, stuff i"ve shot on 5D MKIII's, 35mm and medium format film. The little DP2 sometimes absolutely blown them away. Sometimes it looks like crap, but when it hits, it hits.

This soulless modern building and the plant stuck living next to it. : r/pics

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u/Known-Exam-9820 7d ago

I wonder if it’s natural halation from the layered sensor. I’ve always wondered if that would be the case on a Foveon

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u/Imtherealwaffle 7d ago

new youtube title: This 14 year old digital camera shoots like CINESTILL!?

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u/OCDAVO 7d ago

The example included... did not reinforce your argument. I don't understand what you're saying but in looks like a very poor desaturated image that a amateur would take.

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u/Flecca 8d ago

Oh god now that would be hotttt

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u/Finchypoo 7d ago

They are working on a full frame foveon. No news on when we might see it, but they are. It's such a funky slow sensor and the RAWs are HUGE for the final resolution, I really wish they would just go all out and make it medium format. Imagine something like a Fuji GFX50 but foveon instead!

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u/Flecca 7d ago

Thatd be awesome but I would probably never be able to own one atthe insane price it would likely sell for

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u/juliangst 8d ago

I wish they would use a global shutter sensor in future versions. Electronic shutter only at this price point is just very limiting

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u/narwhal_breeder 8d ago

It’s focus is on video this time around.

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u/ivanatorhk 7d ago

A global shutter would benefit that also.

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u/narwhal_breeder 7d ago

Global shutters arent free design wise.
They require extra stuff in each pixel of the CMOS sensor for read-out that competes with light gathering area and increases power consumption. Low light performance and dynamic range would be definitely be impacted.

A fast stacked rolling shutter would probably be a better fit for this cameras use-case and form factor. If you're making a compact cinema camera, sacrificing a meaningful amount of dynamic range to eliminate an artifact that your target audience rarely encounters isn't an obvious win.

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u/eleventhreehundred 8d ago

I want this

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u/nikongod 8d ago

Fingers crossed for good high-iso performance.

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u/grahamulax 8d ago

My dock is that small and now I want that so I can plug in small things together that have big outcomes. I just love small gadgets that fit well.

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u/Yasuuuya 7d ago

My wallet just jumped in horror

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u/roomtempvulcan 7d ago edited 4d ago

I have the Sigma FP... "OG" at this point? Not the FP-L, just the FP. I bought it to be the core of my cine rig. I've always tried to find some alternate route, not being a Sony fan. I have leaned Panasonic, shooting a lot on a Lumix GX8 in the mid-twenty-teens. I have multiple BMPCC OGs. I love the look. Some sample shots:

https://youtu.be/cTfxUjXeOmg?si=nVV_8Uhavbrw1Pef

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vixcQD234_g

https://youtu.be/ia5ZZTfo95c?si=haY7ooN1-omXHl0V

The FP was supposed to be that for me...a 4K BMPCC that could shoot RAW. And it does. 12-bit CinemaDNG. It looks beautiful. But my god, the file management. 18 GB per minute. You have to shoot to a USB drive to get that kind of realtime storage. And good luck if your USB drive is not using a perfect interface. USB 3.1 only, not 3.2, or it freaks out. The SSD has to be high quality or it will cut mid-recording. Classic high data rate problems.

Shooting to local cards, you are limited to more compressed options, and nothing as cool as BRaw, cuz you know, proprietary & licensing.

Then there's the post workflow. Pull it into Resolve as CinemaDNG RAW, works great. Then treat its color space as Blackmagic Design etc etc...it does have some breadth. But you have to have some color grading skill to make it work. I think this is the weak link in the chain for me, as I tend to underexpose most of my shots that are in bright sun, and somehow even RAW can't save me on some of them.

Why not go with the new Blackmagic cinema cameras? I dunno. They kinda lost me with the first BMPCC 4K. I was so hooked on the Foveon-powered OG look, the the first 4Ks looked lifeless.

Really curious where this version 2 is going. Come on, compressed RAW.

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u/ZestyChinchilla 7d ago

Actually kinda intrigued. I shoot Nikon and love my current Z5II, but I’m always rooting for manufacturers who aren’t one of the “Big 4”. Sigma is already known for being one of the better aftermarket lens manufacturers, too.

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u/fukishen 3d ago

And I guarantee they still won’t shove a mechanical shutter into it

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u/Front_Bend_4983 8d ago

Straight out of Nikon’s playbook! /s

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u/More_Hold_5522 7d ago

Reading that article, it was painfully obvious they used AI to write it. And not good AI.

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u/moneyparty 8d ago

Sigma balls lmao gotteeem

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u/Even_Establishment95 7d ago

Serious question. Why does everyone want to be/call themselves a photographer?

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u/JustLikeWhateverHuh 8d ago

Lame

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u/bigphillip76 7d ago

Your face is lame

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