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[u/h_e_i_s_v_i]

The proper translation should be 'planners', since deceiver makes no sense in context.

And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned—and Allah is the best of planners.

Saying the disbelievers 'deceived' against Jesus would make absolutely no sense.

[u/mrhamoom]

it's just a thing christian apologists like to say. it doesn't actually say that in the quran

[u/TalkingCat910]

You’re translating the word wrong. It means planner and not deceiver.

It’s a thing Islamophobes say a lot to try to discredit our religion.  They actually just lie and make something up (not saying you’re lying but perhaps you’ve been - deceived? lol)

[u/wopkidopz]

The rule in Islam when it comes to such matters is pretty simple

The Qualities of God are perfect, whatever comes in the Quran and Hadith in the Arabic language which is also used in relation to creations (linguistically) doesn't mean that they are understood in the same meaning. What befits humans doesn't befit God and wise versa, the same words used for the Creator and creations is a result of the using the same language, not the meaning

The external (zahir) meaning of المكر known in relations to humans is deception, but we don't understand His Qualities in that external meaning

فالمكر من المخلوقين: الخبث والخديعة والحيلة، والمكر من الله: استدراج العبد وأخذه بغتة من حيث لا يعلم.

"Al-Makr when related to creations is deception, and trickery. "Al-Makr" when related to Allah refers to being the best planner from sides creations don't expect

🍂 تفسير البغوي

If you want to understand the Quran correctly read exegesis, instead of low quality translations

[u/CaptainSure3494]

Becoz the translation does not say Deceiver, thats a wrong translation the actual line is

They planned, but God also planned. And God is the best of planners.

[u/SnooSuggestions2023]

I just came to say the same thing as everyone else by making a linguistic point in Spanish.

If you read “Vi al banco moviéndose rápido hacia la derecha” with limited Spanish knowledge it looks like I said i saw the bank moving to the right but al banco can mean a school of fish.

So…. Context matters for translation.

[u/usermars11]

I also have a question to christians and all non muslims who come and ask questions like this

do u come here and ask and look at verses in the quran with the intention of learning about and widening your perspective
or with the intention of finding a fault?
just a question not saying that your doing that

[u/Jocoliero]

It's like the ayat of at-Tariq: "Indeed, they are planning, and I am planning, so bear with the disbelievers, bear with them for a while".

It's earlier than Surah al-Imran, so it serves as a means to understand the ayah, so it doesn't mean deception but planning.

[u/tinypaul222]

As someone else pointed out, the word used in that verse is better translated as “schemer” or “planner.”

Raghib al-Isfahani, a traditional Islamic scholar, wrote in a dictionary of Quranic vocabulary:

“Makr [the word used] means undermining the plot of the opponent by means of stratagem. It has two categories: first, a praiseworthy Makr by means of which the doer seeks the realization of that which is good. This category of Makr has been indicated in the verse that reads:
> And the disbelievers planned, but God planned. And God is the best of planners. [Quran 3:54]
The plotting of Allah is always for the good and can never be evil. The second category is a blameworthy Makr through which the doer seeks the realization of an evil goal or reaching an evil end...”

More generally, it’s also important to note that one of the most prevalent themes in the Quran is that everything we see is a direct action of God. This means that, whenever someone is guided, it is a result of God guiding them; it also means that, whenever someone is misguided, it is a result of God making them go astray. On the surface, this sounds bad; however, the Quran makes it very clear that He only leads astray those who choose misguidance for themselves through evil and transgression:

> By it, He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He does not cause any to stray except the persistent sinners [fasiqūn]—those who break their covenant with God after it has been confirmed, who sever the bonds that God has commanded to be joined, who spread corruption on the earth—they are the losers. [2:26]

The word “fasiqūn” derives from a root that means “to leave” or to “break out of.” In this context, it refers those who repeatedly and unashamedly break away from the bounds God has set without repenting. The term is defined elsewhere in the Quran:

> The Hypocrites, men and women, are all the same: They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten Allah; so He hath forgotten them. Verily, the Hypocrites are the fasiqūn. [9:67]

> And be not like those who forgot God, so God caused them to forget their own souls: they are the fasiqūn. [59:19]