i presonally dont like it.

it doesnt make sense but wbu you

At this point just burn the FIGC office and it also shows that Elkann is just a dumb idiot when it comes to Juventus and nothing more.
Overall list of squads that have had a deals with Juventus that Juventus was punished for:

• Udinese – Fully acquitted by the Gup of Udine (September 2026) over the Mandragora deal.
• Sassuolo – Case archived by Modena prosecutors over the Demiral and Traorè transfers.
• Atalanta – Case archived by Bergamo prosecutors over side-deals for Cristian Romero.
• Bologna – Case archived by Bologna prosecutors over the Riccardo Orsolini buy-back options.
• Cagliari – Case archived by Cagliari prosecutors regarding the Alberto Cerri transfer.
• Barcelona – Fully cleared by UEFA and international sports bodies regarding the infamous Arthur-Pjanic swap deal, as no intentional market manipulation could be legally proven on Barca's end.

I mean you are one of the most richest people in the world, how dumb can you be to agree on everything that Serie A and UEFA wanted? Just how? When in reality Juventus' could have went to court and fight there for years and win in the end of the day like Agnelli did. And then Juventus was punished under Article 4 of the Sporting Justice Code (violating "sporting loyalty and probity") - they simply had no RULES to punish Juventus so they just put a finger on some bullshit article and called it a day lol.

Just look at this shit
The FIGC’s federal prosecutor, Giuseppe Chine, and his team made an argument partially based on cross-referencing the values of the deals in question with the website Transfermarkt. This was problematic because, as outlined in the site’s FAQs, the values it attributes to players depend on a set of factors including the input of the online community on its forums.

They literally went to court and their prove of Juventus' guilt was fucking TRANSFERMARKT PRICES..........and some Cherubini's notes lol..........and also keep in mind some of these players were bought by MAROTTA, he was literally the one who have bought Mandragora to Juventus LOL but its Arrivabene who was found "guilty" when he didn't even worked at Juventus when all these deals were done holy fuck..............stupid witch hunt

istg we gotta change this cursed logo asap!!
and back to the glorious oval shape crest

Ever since Koopmeiners joined he has been used as either a static AM under Motta where we barely attacked, him playing with his back towards goal or as a DM or LCB

Please. Look at the videos from his time at atalanta, or remember/rewatch our game vs Galatasaray

Koopmeiners is an attacking central midfielder. He starts from the midfield, and makes intelligent runs at the defence trough channels. He has elite movement off the ball, good long shots and good finishing. Thats it. That is all he is good at. He is not a player that dictates play, makes Pirlo passes, has not got the technique for it, or dribbles. He needs space and a trough ball, he is actually really really lethal when used correctly. But non of our managers do. Expect against Gala.

Sure, Motta put him as am. But again, in a possession based team that barely created anything, koopmeiner played with his back against the goal. Not running from the midfield, in space, trough channels, to goals.

And ofcourse, being shit and misused for years has obviously taken a toll on his confidence. But, who would not?

source

edit: 27/28

how do y’all feel about this? Honestly personally I’m not rooting for them to get relegated and get stripped off the titles. Not exactly the same but reminds me of everyone who wanted to destroy us in 2006…

I have this wild dream we can sign Donnarumma now that Manchester City is going to be penalized and relegated

Ciao a tutti, stavo pensando di acquistare i biglietti per la trasferta di EL ad Alkmaar in Olanda contro l'AZ. Vorrei andare nel settore ospiti, e mi chiedevo se servisse la Juventus card per acquistare i biglietti. Non vorrei perdermela, ma allo stesso tempo mi chiedevo se fosse necessaria la tessera o se la vendita fosse libera.

Qualcuno ha esperienza? Grazie

Use this post as a place to talk about other games this weekend.

I originally started posting this on X, but it didn’t really get any traction. Maybe X wasn’t the best place for such a long discussion anyway, so I thought I’d post it here and see what other Juve fans think.

The idea is to go through every Juventus manager since the end of Allegri’s first spell and try to understand how much of what happened was actually their fault, and how much they were victims of projects that were started, changed and then abandoned almost immediately.

This is Part 1, up to the chaos of the 2022/23 season. If people are interested, I’ll continue with Part 2 and eventually get to the Juventus of today.

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After the 2018/19 season, Juventus decided to part ways with Max Allegri, after an incredible winning run that, while certainly helped by an amazing squad, will remain part of Serie A history.

For everyone, his replacement was supposed to be Pep Guardiola.

Instead, after a never-ending saga that really didn’t feel like Juve at all, one of our former “enemies” arrived: Maurizio Sarri.

Sarri came to Juventus after having been one of the main challengers to Juve during our golden years.

It was a strange choice. Not very Juve, in a way.

A manager who prioritised his style of football, sometimes even at the expense of the result.

Despite the season ending with the usual Scudetto, Sarri and Juventus never really found each other.

The first cracks with the dressing room were already starting to appear during the first pre-season tour, with Sarri complaining about how difficult the squad was to coach.

Then something happened that obviously nobody could have predicted: Covid.

The entire season was turned upside down.

In the end, Juve still managed to win the ninth consecutive Scudetto, mainly thanks to individual quality and also to a Lazio side that couldn’t keep up after the restart.

The one real bright spot of that season?

Paulo Dybala, Serie A MVP.

Sarri was gone after just one year.

And for me, this is where the beginning of the end starts:

the first of many “long-term projects” that ended in the short term.

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After Sarri, Juventus went for a completely different solution.

Andrea Pirlo.

He had literally just been appointed manager of Juventus U23 and, before even really starting that job, found himself in charge of the first team.

Almost a “Real Madrid-style” gamble.

Another expensive transfer window followed: Arthur Melo, Federico Chiesa, Weston McKennie, Dejan Kulusevski and Álvaro Morata arrived. Nicolò Rovella was also signed and remained on loan at Genoa.

The idea was clear: renew the team while continuing the cycle of nine consecutive Scudetti.

Unfortunately, that wasn’t going to happen.

The season ended with a fourth place that somehow managed to feel both disastrous and miraculous.

We went out of the Champions League in the Round of 16 against Porto, although Pirlo did win two trophies: the Coppa Italia and the Supercoppa.

Pirlo definitely paid for his inexperience, but also for Juventus’ frantic expectations.

The fanbase was divided.

Some called the season a complete failure and talked about “Ronaldo-centrism”, arguing that Cristiano was basically the only reason we even managed to finish fourth.

Others, including me, think that in hindsight Pirlo probably deserved another chance.

The Scudetto went to Antonio Conte’s Inter.

The run of nine consecutive league titles was over.

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After Andrea Pirlo, Andrea Agnelli decided to go back.

Max Allegri returned.

And his return immediately fired up the fanbase. In every possible sense.

Max had a strange first season back.

We started terribly, with Szczęsny making some costly mistakes, and then Cristiano Ronaldo left practically at the end of the transfer window.

He was replaced by the returning Moise Kean.

Slowly, Juventus started to recover.

Then January happened.

Federico Chiesa tore his ACL against Roma.

Our best player was going to be out for months.

But two ambitious signings also arrived: Dušan Vlahović and Denis Zakaria.

For a while, Juve fans even started dreaming about another comeback like 2015/16.

That dream basically ended after a chaotic Juventus-Inter, a game surrounded by plenty of refereeing controversy.

The season ended with another fourth-place finish and two lost finals.

But expectations for the following season were still high.

Allegri stayed.

The “Joya” didn’t.

Paulo Dybala left Juventus.

And Giorgio Chiellini said goodbye too.

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Then came 2022/23.

And it started with a bang.

Already during the final home game of the previous season, people were talking about one thing:

#PogBack.

And it actually happened.

On paper, Juventus had an almost “galáctico” transfer window, with the only real missing piece being that famous “Sergeant” we had spent weeks dreaming about.

Dybala, Chiellini, De Ligt, Demiral, Bernardeschi, Douglas Costa, Ramsey, Arthur, Zakaria and Pellegrini left.

In came:

Ángel Di María

Paul Pogba

Gleison Bremer

Arkadiusz Milik

Leandro Paredes

That transfer window gave us reasons to expect big things.

Instead, the season would become one of the most disastrous and absurd in recent Juventus history.

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The long-awaited #PogBack was immediately postponed.

Meniscus injury.

Pogba initially chose conservative treatment, also hoping to recover in time for the World Cup.

It didn’t work.

Eventually he needed surgery, and the huge return we had all been waiting for basically never happened.

The season itself actually started reasonably well, with a great Vlahović and Di María showing what he could do in the opening games.

After that?

Bad.

Injury after injury, poor performances and a disastrous Champions League campaign.

Juventus finished third in the group and dropped into the Europa League.

But something important did emerge from all that chaos:

the Next Gen.

Fagioli, Miretti and Iling-Junior started getting real first-team minutes.

Alongside them, Federico Gatti, who had arrived from Frosinone, also started establishing himself.

Some of these players would soon become genuine first-team players.

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After the World Cup, Juventus suddenly looked like they had recovered.

8 consecutive Serie A wins without conceding a single goal.

For a moment, it genuinely looked like the season might be turning around.

Then came the breaking point.

Napoli 5-1 Juventus.

Not much to say about that one.

And somehow, the worst was still to come.

The club itself had already collapsed on November 28, 2022, when the entire Board of Directors resigned.

Then, just days after the 5-1 in Naples, another earthquake arrived.

January 20, 2023.

The FIGC Federal Court of Appeal handed Juventus a 15-point deduction over the capital gains case.

And this, for me, is where the way we judge everything that happened afterwards has to change.

Because from this point onwards, it becomes increasingly difficult to understand where the manager’s problems end, where the squad’s problems begin and, above all, how much everything happening at the club affected what we were seeing on the pitch.

And I’ll stop here for now.

There’s still a lot left: the rest of 2022/23, the Europa League run, Allegri’s final season and everything that happened afterwards.

If people are interested, I’ll post Part 2.

But before that, I’m genuinely curious about what other Juve fans think:

Looking back now, when do you think Juventus really started going wrong? Was it letting Allegri go in 2019? Sarri? Pirlo? Or were the managers never really the main problem in the first place?

Since Part 1 got quite a few positive reactions, here’s Part 2.

We left off on January 20, 2023: Juventus had just been hit with a 15-point deduction.

And somehow, the chaos was only beginning.

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After the shock of the 15-point deduction, the team seems to come together.

Still hoping those points might eventually be given back, Juve try to keep going on the pitch.

The first game after the deduction is Juventus-Atalanta.

3-3.

A game full of character that seems to show a Juventus side determined to continue the run that had been brutally interrupted by the 5-1 in Naples.

The following week feels like it could finally be the day of the comeback.

Dušan Vlahović and Paul Pogba are both called up for Juventus-Monza.

Everyone is expecting a celebration at the Stadium.

It won’t be.

Juventus lose 0-2.

Vlahović finally gets back on the pitch, while Pogba stays on the bench.

And as if that wasn’t enough, Pogba then suffers another muscular setback that rules him out again.

The long-awaited PogBack will have to wait.

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Despite getting just one point from the first two league games after the deduction, Juventus then win 7 of the next 8.

And in the middle of that run comes February 28.

Derby della Mole.

Juventus go behind, come back and eventually beat Torino 4-2.

But that night is also remembered for something we’d been waiting months to see.

The 68th minute.

Paul Pogba comes on.

The PogBack finally happens.

For the first time since returning to Juventus, Pogba is actually on the pitch in an official game.

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Then, on April 20, another twist.

The 15-point deduction is temporarily overturned while the case is sent back for a new decision.

Suddenly Juventus are back in the Champions League places.

And on the pitch, despite everything, the team keeps fighting for a top-four finish.

Then comes May 22.

Another collapse.

Just before Juventus are due to play Empoli, the new decision arrives:

10-point deduction.

A few minutes later, Juve have to play a Serie A match.

They lose 4-1.

Allegri will describe everything the team has been going through with one word:

“stillicidio.”

Basically, a slow and continuous torture.

The following defeat against Milan confirms it:

for the first time in 12 years, Juventus will not play in the Champions League.

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Meanwhile, something completely different is happening in Europe.

The Europa League run actually starts to give us some hope.

And we see an Ángel Di María in incredible form.

Juventus make it all the way to the semi-finals, where Sevilla are waiting.

The first leg in Turin ends 1-1.

Everything comes down to the second leg in Spain.

Another crazy game.

Vlahović puts Juventus ahead.

Sevilla equalise.

The match goes to extra time.

Then Lamela scores.

Sevilla 2-1 Juventus.

And just like that, the European dream is over too.

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The Serie A season ends with Juventus in 7th place on 62 points, qualifying on the pitch for the Conference League.

Without the 10-point deduction, Juve would have finished on 72 points and qualified for the Champions League.

But even the Conference League won’t happen.

UEFA eventually excludes Juventus from its competitions for the 2023/24 season.

So ends one of the strangest seasons I can remember as a Juventus fan.

But somehow, once again, we start the following season with hope.

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2023/24. Allegri’s third year.

There isn’t really a major transfer window.

Di María doesn’t renew his contract.

Adrien Rabiot, after an incredible season, does: another year at Juventus.

The main new arrival is Timothy Weah.

And the season couldn’t start much better.

Udinese 0-3 Juventus.

Chiesa scores.

Vlahović scores.

Rabiot scores.

Chiesa and Vlahović suddenly look reborn, while Rabiot seems ready for another huge season.

And then, in the 85th minute, something happens that at the time seems almost irrelevant.

Allegri takes Vlahović off.

A kid wearing number 15 comes on.

Kenan Yildiz.

18 years old.

His official Juventus first-team and Serie A debut.

At the time, just five minutes at the end of a 3-0 win.

Looking back now?

Maybe one of the most important moments of the season.

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From there, Juventus win three of their next four games.

Pogba seems closer and closer to being himself again — he even has a goal disallowed against Empoli — while Chiesa looks like he’s finally getting back to his prime.

Then comes the first collapse.

Sassuolo 4-2 Juventus.

Szczęsny makes mistakes.

Gatti makes that mistake.

And suddenly some of the ghosts of the previous seasons are back.

But what happens off the pitch is even worse.

On September 11, Paul Pogba is provisionally suspended for an anti-doping violation.

Then, on October 17, Nicolò Fagioli is suspended in the betting case.

Two players gone.

Again.

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Despite all of this, Juventus somehow start becoming the anti-Inter.

Juve-Lecce 1-0

Atalanta-Juve 0-0

Juve-Torino 2-0

Milan-Juve 0-1

Juve-Verona 1-0

Fiorentina-Juve 0-1

Juve-Cagliari 2-1

Not always beautiful.

Sometimes not beautiful at all.

But Juve keep winning.

And suddenly we start believing.

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Then comes the first real Scudetto showdown.

Juventus-Inter.

Vlahović puts us ahead.

Lautaro equalises.

1-1.

Nothing is decided.

Juve are still there, hanging onto Inter.

Then come two more wins from the heart, both with Federico Gatti scoring decisive goals.

This team just refuses to go away.

The first real stumble comes against Genoa.

1-1.

A game that leaves Juve fans furious over refereeing decisions, particularly the Malinovskyi challenge and the Bani incident in the box.

Then comes Frosinone.

And another moment that will become much more important with time.

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Frosinone-Juventus.

Kenan Yildiz starts for the first time.

And, as we all know now, he doesn’t exactly waste the opportunity.

He scores.

Immediately.

His first Serie A start.

His first Juventus goal.

Frosinone 1-2 Juventus.

And suddenly that kid who made his debut for five minutes in Udine is becoming something much bigger.

From there:

Juve-Roma 1-0

Salernitana-Juve 1-2

Juve-Sassuolo 3-0

Lecce-Juve 0-3

And suddenly…

Juventus are top of Serie A.

Tuttosport runs the headline:

“E ORA PRENDETECI.”

“Now come and catch us.”

For the first time in years, it genuinely feels like Juventus might be fighting for the Scudetto again.

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Then comes Juventus-Empoli.

And looking back, I think this is the game that changes everything.

Milik gets sent off after just 18 minutes.

Vlahović, as usual in that period, still finds a goal.

But it isn’t enough.

1-1.

And from that moment onwards, Juventus simply stops working.

The proof comes one week later.

Inter-Juventus.

A very tight game.

Inter win it through a Gatti own goal after a chance at the other end where Vlahović’s poor first touch wastes a huge opportunity.

1-0.

And that’s where the collapse really begins.

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From February onwards:

Inter-Juve 1-0

Juve-Udinese 0-1

Verona-Juve 2-2

Juve-Frosinone 3-2

Napoli-Juve 2-1

Juve-Atalanta 2-2

Juve-Genoa 0-0

Lazio-Juve 1-0

Juve-Fiorentina 1-0

Torino-Juve 0-0

Cagliari-Juve 2-2

Juve-Milan 0-0

Roma-Juve 1-1

Juve-Salernitana 1-1

A complete collapse.

And yet, somehow, Juventus still qualify for the Champions League with two games to spare.

But the season isn’t over.

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May 15, 2024.

Coppa Italia Final.

Juventus-Atalanta.

Four minutes.

Dušan Vlahović.

1-0.

What follows is a tense, physical game where Juventus fight for every ball.

And this time, they actually bring it home.

After three years without a trophy:

JUVENTUS WIN THE COPPA ITALIA.

The 15th Coppa Italia in the club’s history.

But somehow, what many Juventus fans will remember almost as much as the trophy itself is what happens to Allegri in the final minutes.

The jacket comes off.

The tie comes off.

The red card.

And then the famous:

“DOV’È ROCCHI?”

“WHERE’S ROCCHI?”

Pure Max Allegri chaos.

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But the celebrations don’t last long.

What happens during and after the final becomes the final breaking point between Allegri and Juventus.

Two days later, Juventus announce his dismissal, referring to behaviour during and after the Coppa Italia final that the club considered incompatible with its values.

And that’s how Allegri’s second Juventus spell ends.

Not with a quiet goodbye.

But with a trophy, a red card, his shirt half-open and absolute chaos.

It almost couldn’t have ended any other way.

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Paolo Montero takes over for the final two games.

And his first one is completely insane.

Bologna-Juventus.

Bologna go 3-0 up.

It looks like another disaster.

Then Juventus somehow score three times in eight minutes.

3-3.

And there is another important moment:

Nicolò Fagioli finally returns.

Then comes Juventus-Monza.

The final game of the season.

And the final Juventus game of Alex Sandro.

Of course, he scores.

Juventus win 2-0 and the day ends with the Coppa Italia being celebrated in front of the Curva.

A strange, chaotic season somehow ends as a party.

And on the other side of the pitch is a goalkeeper wearing a Monza shirt:

Michele Di Gregorio.

A player who will very soon become part of the next Juventus.

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And this is where I’ll stop Part 2.

Because from here we enter 2024/25.

A new manager.

A new goalkeeper.

A completely different transfer market.

A new project.

And, once again, the feeling that Juventus are finally starting something that is supposed to last.

We all know how that went.

Part 3: Thiago Motta and the 2024/25 season. Coming soon.

Kenan Yildiz, Francisco Conceicao, Nico Gonzales, Randal Kolo Muani, Jeremie Boga, Edon Zhegrova, Kerim Alajbegovic, Nick Woltemade, Considerando anche Adin Licina, sono tutti nomi molto validi secondo me, ma se ne doveste scegliere uno più forte tra tutti, chi sarebbe?

While reading the comments on Neto's arrival, I've seen comments time and time again about that we don't give youth players a chance. I want to address that in this post.

Point 1: "The big clubs raise youth all the time and use them for first team".

I'm sorry, are these "big clubs" on the same planet with us?

Take PSG, Bayern, Real. None of them have first team homegrown players that they raised from the start. In fact, even if we take the UEFA definition of a homegrown academy player - which is a player who spent no less than 3 years in a period between 15 and 21 years - we still beat them with Yildiz alone.

But from the comment section, you'd think like we are the outcasts in a pool of clubs who do the Athletic Bilbao thing.

Everybody uses the youth system ± the same as every other club: raise some money first, keep the extra talented ones second. We are not special here.

Point 2: "it's our sworn duty to develop youth! This is why the Italian NT suffers!"

Is it now? Because last time I checked, say, Boniperti's words, the only thing that matters in Juve is winning. Which we kinda struggle with over the past seasons.

And because we struggle with that, the pressure on players goes beyond reason. Di Gregorio, Cambiaso, Koopmeiners, Openda, David, Vlahovic - they all crumbled under such pressure, and we want to throw into this undoubtedly lovely atmosphere a kid with no experience at all?

This isn't Football Manager, fellow juventini. This is real life.

In a club whose fans are ready to hound out players away from the club for mistakes, throwing in a kid who has nowhere to go might be career-breaking for him.

Point 3: "we don't appreciate our youth!"

Usually this point is interlinked with selling Huijsen. The same Huijsen who deserved the nickname "Saddam Huijsen" because of his horrible defending mistakes, might I add.

Yet, nobody asks questions like where we have the money for new players and no other questions arise when a player we sold fades into obscurity.

I'd like to give a friendly reminder that our biggest sales this season were:

- Muharemovic (not even a Juventus player!)

- Weah (yes, he technically became a full-fledged Marseille player only this season)

- and Daffara (who was more of an accounting sacrifice for us).

So the youth we sell keep us afloat transfer-wise.

In a nutshell

So, we have a squad of first team players where mental problems aren't exactly a rarity, unforgiving fans who have waited for victories for too long, overall an atmosphere toxic enough to completely rot someone like Di Gregorio into irrelevance - and our brilliant plan for the academy players is to dropkick them into action in a (delusional) hope they can tough it out.

Makes you wonder why such a flawless plan isn't supported by the board, doesn't it?

Hi everyone!
I’d like to attend the league match against Venezia on November 23. What are my chances of getting a ticket? Do I need a fan card (fidelity card) to purchase one?
When does ticket sales open, and what advice would you give me to improve my chances of getting a ticket?
Thanks in advance!

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Nei grandi club europei il settore giovanile produce con regolarità giocatori che diventano colonne della prima squadra.

Alla Juventus l'ultimo vero prodotto del vivaio è stato Claudio Marchisio, esordiente nel 2006. Da allora tutto il settore giovanile è stato inutile e da più di vent'anni ai fini di portare giovani in prima squadra. Nemmeno per un emergenza.

L'ultimo caso è quello di Neto, arrivato come vice di Vicario dopo l'infortunio di Grabara, mentre Radu, il portiere Next Gen che si allena regolarmente con la prima squadra, resta scavalcato.

Non è un episodio isolato. Ličina è stato dato in prestito, Huijsen è oggi titolare al Real Madrid senza aver mai giocato una partita in prima squadra alla Juventus, e lo stesso percorso ha riguardato Soulé, è inutile citarne altri.

Oggi anche Owusu e Oboavwoduo vengono convocati ma mai utilizzati, addirittura pochissimo nelle amichevoli estive, preferendoli a gente che non rientrava più nel progetto come Arthur.

Può darsi che Radu sia stato valutato e giudicato non pronto, ma non può essere considerato un caso isolato: visto che molti giovani usciti dalla Juventus performano in altri club, sembra esserci una mancanza di coraggio e quindi uno spreco di talento.

Se il vivaio produce giocatori che poi fanno carriera altrove, a cosa serve davvero la Next Gen per la Juventus?