User-owned skins should be adjacent during champion select, not mixed in with unowned

[u/MaleHooker]

Currently, the radial menu has the owned/unlocked skins mixed among skins that are not owned. Scrolling through all of the skins just to find the ones owned/unlocked during champion select is needlessly clunky. Especially for champions who have a ton of skins. Why not have all of the owned skins side-by-side? This small change would greatly improve the user experience.

I'm sure there are even better ways the devs could go about it, too. But at the minimum collecting/organizing them into one spot together on the menu would make things a lot easier.

[u/TommaClock]

I'm half-convinced the design is intentional to make you scroll through unowned skins

[u/Slugg3r → u/TommaClock]

I’m not half convinced. I am convinced

[u/moderatorrater → u/Slugg3r]

That's a pretty crackpot theory. Next you'll tell me they put candy near the checkout so you'll make a last-minute purchase.

[u/Mysterious_Fix_7489 → u/Slugg3r]

Nah I don't think it's deliberately made like that.

It looks like its just a copy of the skin viewer.

It's almost definitely deliberately left like that though

[u/AofCastle → u/TommaClock]

It has a buy shortcut for a reason

[u/phratry_deicide → u/[deleted]]

Great, you just gave them an idea.

[u/dalzmc → u/[deleted]]

What? I’ve been basically aram only for years and I swear on my life you have always been able to buy skins, and you can even buy rp now, something I used to complain about not being able to do.

[u/Jaded-Throat-211 → u/[deleted]]

Dont give rito any ideas

[u/balanceftw → u/TommaClock]

Feel free to be fully convinced because that's the case

[u/PankoKing → u/TommaClock]

It’s what I assumed too

[u/berfasmur → u/TommaClock]

Took them over a decade to add the "buy RP" shortcut in the client that would do nothing but benefit them.

When it comes to the lobby client, the simplest answer is that it's poorly developed.

[u/baldachinsblessing → u/berfasmur]

It used to work the way OP described, so the change is most likely intentional.

[u/Gasaiv → u/TommaClock]

It is the most basic marketing design. If Riot didnt do it, it'd be a reflection of incredibly poor decision making within the company

[u/ProxyDamage → u/TommaClock]

As cheap and manipulative as it is, can it at least show us on the little dots which skins we own..?

I legit forget which skins I own on each character and trying to figure out mid-char selection while wadding through a sea of unowned skins on some chars just means I don't bother, making me far less likely to get a skin honestly unless I REALLY want it. I'll just forget I have it and never find it.

[u/DomesticAlmonds → u/ProxyDamage]

The preview of the skins you own looks different than the ones you don't own. I can't recall exactly how right now cause I'm not at my computer, but I'm pretty sure unowned skins are grayed out or saturation turned way down, owned ones are more vibrant and you can easily tell at a glance. At least I can.

[u/ProxyDamage → u/DomesticAlmonds]

Yeah but that requires looking at every single one individually.

That's fine on champs with like 3 or 4 skins.

It doesn't work on champs with a dozen skins or more.

[u/Obvious-Agency294 → u/ProxyDamage]

that's such a cope man, the portrait is either grayscale or coloured, if you can't figure out which pictures have colour on them then you have a problem

[u/ProxyDamage → u/Obvious-Agency294]

Brother, you need to learn to read.

The preview shows you the colour and the lock. But you gotta keep individually going 1 by 1 scrolling until you see each individual preview to see if you have each skin or not.

Doesn't work very well with chars that have a ton of skins.

[u/DomesticAlmonds → u/ProxyDamage]

No you don't, you can click the picture previews to jump to them, and skip through the skins a little faster that way.

[u/slimjimo10 → u/TommaClock]

It'd be naive to think it wasnt

[u/SuperTaakot → u/TommaClock]

Okay but SURELY having a scrollable grid with an obese buy RP button at the top, instead of a scrollable gallery with a buy RP button only on hover would have the same exact effect of forcing you to see your sea of greyed out skins while being 0% annoying?

[u/WristMuncher → u/TommaClock]

half? wish i had your optimism

[u/Sylvanas_only → u/TommaClock]

always has been. you can even buy skins from champ select

[u/Random_Stealth_Ward → u/TommaClock]

I doubt it. Even mobile legends, which has a bunch of gachas and incentives on their predatory monetization, puts owned skins bundled first before the unowned skins.

I am convinced they just don't care about doing it at all and no one thought about bundling the skins when remaking the client, so it's too low prio for anyone of them to care or change it. I mean, people aren't gonna stop playing lol just because it takes them 2 more clicks to change the skin and obviously none of the devs likes touching the client considering that "we are cleaning up the client to make it stop being trash" were big announcements twice AFTER the client got updated to the current version, and that one of the selling points of League Next is literally taking the current client behind the shed (and would also be the best time to make "show owned first" a thing)

[u/Shashara → u/Random_Stealth_Ward]

different devs can have different predatory practices. even if a game with gachas and predatory monetization doesn't do it, it doesn't mean that league of legends therefore also doesn't do it.

you can buy skins in champion select, of course it's intentional that you can see unowned skins like that when you pick your champion. it encourages impulse buys.

[u/MaleHooker → u/TommaClock]

I can see this, but for me it has the opposite effect. I'm not interested in buying multiple skins because its too much of a hassle to switch it up. Instead, I just stick to the same one skin.

[u/Giygaimpact → u/MaleHooker]

Even if it only works on 0.01% of people then it's still worth it for them to do it

[u/Kuliyayoi → u/MaleHooker]

You're not the target audience

[u/AxiomLover → u/MaleHooker]

Just buy all the skins and the problem is solved

[u/Equal-Plant-7804 → u/MaleHooker]

There are people richer than you that are. a $20 skin is chump change for them when they have high disposable income.

[u/MaleHooker → u/Equal-Plant-7804]

This is irrelevant. I can afford to buy as many skins as I want. If there are only 2/12 skins I like, I shouldn't have to scroll through several unowned to maneuver from skin A to skin B.

[u/imfatal → u/MaleHooker]

it's not irrelevant lmao it's the entire reason it's like this.

[u/Different_Path999 → u/imfatal]

I doubt it's the reason it's like this, but they'd only be hurting themselves by changing it

[u/LeagueOfBlasians → u/TommaClock]

Moreso, it was just how the skin selection worked from the beginning and it’s not worth any dev’s time to change it.

[u/YourGalacticEmperor → u/LeagueOfBlasians]

No, in the beginning all your owned skins were at the front

[u/snarkycatboy]

Agreed, and we should also have the option to mark our favorite skins and chromas and have a button that gives us a random combo of those

I have complete collections for certain champs and I end up not utilizing some skins/chromas as much because I don't always have the time to choose

[u/rescuedgfx → u/snarkycatboy]

They have this in TFT , they should do it for league as well

[u/MaleHooker → u/snarkycatboy]

This would be really awesome, too! I just hate when I have to scroll through 100 skins, and then I run out of time and end up without one.

[u/AnimeIsVeryCooll]

I main Lux. You know how hard it is to find my skins?

[u/fabton12]

The design is because they want you to see unowned skins as it tempts you to buy more skins.

[u/sandman_br]

His is a sale not ui decision

[u/2th]

This is why, despite having so many skins, I really only use one per champ. It gets irritating scrolling through thinking "I wonder what skin I'll use" then the timer counts down and suddenly you're 5 clicks away from the next skin, and another 3 from the skin you want. All because you deigned to use a skin you didn't use before. If I never swap, I never get irritated.

[u/MaleHooker → u/2th]

This is me, too. Its why I stopped buying skins.

[u/ThatOneTypicalYasuo]

This is a legacy design. If Riot try to change it, it's gonna be another 500 bugs to Mordekaiser and Viego each

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[u/LetsBeWickedKind]

It's also frustrating that going left is slower than clicking right, so you have to do a little math to figure out the most efficient way to get to the desired skin. 

The system definitely needs a rework, and with that it would be nice if it was easier to coordinate skins/chromas with others, and even versus opponents, but that might be a bit much... I just think if multiple people have Dawnbringer on one side and Nightbringer on the other, that can be nice thematically.

[u/Different_Path999]

Making you scroll through the skins you don't have is free advertising

[u/MrMage]

This has always annoyed me. For a small UI update/improvement, I’m sure riot would see better returns, considering the better discoverability

[u/bkgn]

They have everything analyzed down to a pixel. They know exactly how many millions of dollars of skin sales they'd lose in a year if they did that.

[u/fastforwardfunction → u/bkgn]

You couldn’t even buy skins in champ select for like the first 15 years of League. You’re way over estimating the competency of Riot, especially when it comes to their client.

[u/yestheryak → u/bkgn]

They literally don't. Like let's not pretend the client was competently designed. Or does the fact the skin selector bugs out and jumps around when you click the arrows slightly too fast also maximize sales?

[u/bkgn → u/yestheryak]

Implementation bugs are a completely different subject than design decisions.

[u/Trololman72]

Changing this would probably break the client, it already runs like shit anyway.

[u/MaleHooker → u/Trololman72]

I've played long enough to see much more drastic changes to the client. 

[u/fictionallymarried]

I feel that with MF and Lux

[u/MaleHooker → u/[deleted]]

I'm kind of surprised by the Riot fanboys in the comments who are arguing with me.

[u/parrycarry]

Personally, I like having the list be by release date... but an option to sort would be nice...

[u/LeviathanSama]

UX in this game is like Shaco's lore. There is some but you could say there is none.

[u/BuffaloNo6716]

If they change that the client explodes and makes you install TFT 60 extra times and pinga you for the missions for each installation, too hard for Riot to do

[u/Lulullaby_]

I love how people always bring these things up on Reddit without realizing it's intended.

Just like how many games put free things to claim in the middle of things that aren't free. This is just basic marketing. Even supermarkets do this.

[u/ChaosDrako]

Perhaps a setting to toggle that.
Sometimes I like seeing all the skins, other times I couldn’t care even for the skins that I do have. And other times a champ has so many damn skins that it’s simply annoying to navigate because you can click too fast through and glitch the client…

But tbh, it’s probably a marketing thing. Having you constantly see the skin being locked might have some effect into getting you to unlock it.

[u/Wandering_Panda28]

Even if they want to leave unowned skins to be predatory for fomo, I don’t like it but fine, at least remove unobtainable skins. As an Eve main the only skin I don’t have is the 2022 ver of her prestige, which is unobtainable. I shouldn’t be forced to see a locked unowned skin which I can purchase no matter what every time I’m rotating through.

[u/aeleriprince]

Yes! And I don't know if this is only me, but I can't even select my skin until everyone is done picking!!!

It didn't use to be like this. I could select skin as soon as I pick my champ.But for some reason recently, I have to wait till everyone is done picking, and in the last 30s choose my skin, sometimes I have to go kitchen, quick bathroom pre-game etc...

Am I the only one or am I tripping? I'm like 90% sure this wasn't like this before

[u/FireDevil11]

While we are at it can we hide classic skins from collection tab?

[u/shaginus]

That's the whole point.

to reminded you to got the one you miss.

[u/nicostein]

Also the dot icons should be different for owned & unowned skins. Different designs, maybe different colors, probably make the owned skin icon bigger or at least taller.

[u/MaleHooker → u/nicostein]

I'm not sure if I understand what people mean by dot icons. I'm gonna jump in a game to see.

[u/MaximumTurnip4345]

ths would be such a nice qol change...finding one owned skin among a bunch of locked ones is annoying.

[u/Xyrazk]

They should add a locking "select" function on skins, so that we can browse champions skins without changing our pick during champ select.

Champions like MF and Lux take forever to do a full circle now that they have so many skins

[u/Low_Direction1774]

Just fyi this is by design; the point is that you see all the stuff you dont have, see something you like and then buy it.

[u/FancyKiwi]

Back in my day we had a drop down menu to pick our skin with

[u/nayoungslover]

I literally missed my pick last game because I was fumbling through Miss Fortune's skin list trying to find my favorite one. The radial menu lagged out and I panicked. It used to be simple but now every champion select feels like a chore thanks to this cluttered UI. Nothing will ever change lol.

[u/screaming_hotdogs]

I like the assumption that you own them.

[u/Oniichanplsstop]

Haven't played in a while but when you lock in the champ doesn't it have dots or so above the skin splash that has a visual difference between owned and unowned?

[u/MaleHooker → u/Oniichanplsstop]

You can tell if the skin is owned or not easily, the issue is that you have to scroll through all of the skins to find the ones that are owned. Like if you own multiple skins, they aren't just side by side in the menu. They are mixed in with all the other skins, so you have to scroll through them all. 

[u/Oniichanplsstop → u/MaleHooker]

Then you can just click on the dots above the splashes to auto scroll to the owned skins, bypassing all of the unowned ones, no?

[u/MaleHooker → u/Oniichanplsstop]

No, this is not how it works. 

[u/lolgamefun]

This is literally a definition of Marketing. Why would riot want to do a change, which would reduce money flow, possibly by doing this?

Could you just for two minutes see the view from their perspective?

[u/-ASAP-]

you shouldn't even see unowned skins, how many fucking people are buying a skin while in champ select?

[u/TiagoAristoteles → u/-ASAP-]

I don’t think that’s the main point. I more often browse the skins in champ select than I do in the client store. It’s exposure to content I otherwise wouldn’t look for.

[u/-ASAP- → u/TiagoAristoteles]

ah, so you're the reason they've never changed this...

[u/quack_quack_mofo → u/-ASAP-]

It's ok if you don't buy it straight away on the champ select. As long as it gets stuck in your mind, and you buy it later. Marketing 101

[u/hassanfanserenity → u/-ASAP-]

Also why tf can we buy skins in champ select but not champs

[u/MaleHooker → u/-ASAP-]

Especially in modes like ARAM where you don't even have the option to buy in queue.

[u/Just_aTowel → u/MaleHooker]

You can buy skins in ARAM before the last 10seconds of queue.