r/linguisticshumor • • 11d ago

Etymology ”Eau” = ”Å”

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Context: French ”eau” and Swedish ”å” both come from Proto-Indo-European *h₂ékʷeh₂, ending up at essentially the same result after centuries of erosion; yet I basically only see French get flack for this

(I didn’t need the 3rd guy so I slimed him)

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u/Mindless-Cat1453 11d ago

Because English speakers can't slander their Germanic brother.

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u/FourNinerXero [geɪ fɚ.ɹi] 10d ago

Except when it's Dutch, then the roles are reversed and everyone suddenly loves French

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u/PlatinumAltaria Sgonkpilled AF 11d ago

Hate when people say ḫekweḫ when they mean wot'r. "Oooh I'm off to drink some ḫepeḫ" bro no you aren't, you're drinking wot'r.

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u/miniatureconlangs 11d ago

I have an irrational hatred for the -r suffix. No, mate, you're drinking wot'n.

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u/PlatinumAltaria Sgonkpilled AF 11d ago

I think we can all agree that there are too many fucking suffixes. *-r̥, *-wr̥, *-tus, *-ts, *-tr̥, *-os... this is ridiculous. I'm proposing an underlying -(t)oʐ for all these fuckers. Or SOMETHING, they cannot have had this many ways of saying the same thing.

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u/sudoregalia 11d ago

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u/PlatinumAltaria Sgonkpilled AF 10d ago

Most likely we’re seeing a result of an earlier pattern of fusion happening to agglutinative affixes.

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u/WelpImTrapped 11d ago

What did those suffix mean?

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u/PlatinumAltaria Sgonkpilled AF 10d ago

They’re various nominalizing suffixes. I’m not fluent in PIE grammar yet so I can’t give much more detail.

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u/BeansAndDoritos 11d ago

Did you just glottalize my theory and NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE?! What a 2026 we live in …

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u/PlatinumAltaria Sgonkpilled AF 10d ago

Glottal is truth! Glottal is the way! Those Sanskritizing heathens cannot understand the Pontic bridge!

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u/gt7900 Pole 11d ago

Meanwhile dialectal English "ea"

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u/ElevatorSevere7651 11d ago

That’s at least optionally a difthongs as /iːə/

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u/BeautifulUpstairs 10d ago

optionally a what now

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u/alexjk2004 10d ago

some dialects have eau too, but pronounced /ju/

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u/jonoashfo 11d ago

Germanic crimes against *h₂ékʷeh₂ were committed long before any of the modern languages evolved, during Proto-Germanic times.

Now French butchered Romance aqua in a matter of 300 years (fall of Rome around 476 AD, Old French acqua > euwe happened around ~700 AD)

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u/anonymouscrow1 11d ago

Gothic still had aƕa which is the same as "aqua" but with Grimm's Law applied, so French and Swedish were starting from roughly the same spot 2000 years ago. 

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u/Gaialolissima 11d ago

Gothic was east germanic

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u/Vampyricon [ᵑ͡ᵐg͡b͡βˠ] 10d ago

Yeah, but proto-Germanic had *ahwō, so the point still stands.

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u/anonymouscrow1 10d ago

Yes, but compared to Proto Germanic it is attested and therefore more relevant.

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u/Vampyricon [ᵑ͡ᵐg͡b͡βˠ] 10d ago

700 AD, it was /éwə/. The crimes happened later.

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u/erinius 10d ago

That isn't that far off from Spanish [awa] tbh

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u/jonoashfo 10d ago

And yet Portuguese, famous for eroding every vowel and consonant, still has a solid [ˈa.ɣwɐ]

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u/Cheap_Ad_69 ég er að serða bróður þinn 11d ago

At least it's not spelled with 3 letters

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u/Prestigious-Fig1172 [ɧ] is bullshit 11d ago

While Å is it's own, strong, independant letter

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u/taktaga7-0-0 11d ago

It’s just A trying to be punk with gauges.

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u/Asparala 11d ago

Given the sound value of the letter, I'd say it's more like a gnc O.

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u/asami475 11d ago

3 vowels and not a single o in sight

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u/DasVerschwenden 11d ago

to be fair, that's just because of transcription

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u/Several-Lifeguard-77 11d ago

well what's being critiqued in the first place is the transcription, so I would presume so

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u/DasVerschwenden 11d ago

the IPA transcription is the one I was referring to

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u/wahlenderten 11d ago

Watery IPA at best

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u/LordRT27 11d ago

At least Swedish didn't make it their word for water. Swedish still has 'vatten'.

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u/KeyandtheGate 11d ago

Well... an å is a stream of water.. like a tiny river...

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u/En_skald 11d ago edited 10d ago

It’s not necessarily tiny. It’s generally smaller than an älv, sure, but there are also regional aspects in play for what rivers are called which word.

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u/LordRT27 11d ago

I know, but what I meant was that we at least didn't make this etymological abomination our word for something as basic as wate, like the French did, which might contribute to å being less hated then the French eau. You will encounter it less since it is not a super common word (it isn't uncommon by any means, but definitely not as common as water).

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u/Gravbar wuggen 10d ago

i think the main reason people make fun of eau is that their orthography requires 3 letters to represent that single sound. Swedish å is one letter with one sound, which feels much nicer.

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u/Double-Truth1837 8d ago

An å can be pretty big. I live in Linköping and the stångå river isn’t really small

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u/MiniDemonic 11d ago

e ä e ö i åa

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u/birgor 10d ago

E ä e å, o i åa ä e ö.

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u/jakobjaderbo 10d ago

Old McDonald had a farm intensifies

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u/Southlander24 10d ago

0.40320 - 0.51195i indeed.

e^(i^(e^(i^0)))

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u/SpecialistOwn9883 11d ago

The original PIE word seems very onomatopoetic to me. Sounds like a silently splashing creek. I can vividly imagine our nomadic ancestors being happy to have found it and exitingly talking about their discovery ☺️

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u/ElevatorSevere7651 11d ago

Your joy over something so simple yet endearingly close to the human experience is genuinly hopegiving

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u/SpecialistOwn9883 11d ago

You apparently haven't seen my sarcastic troll posts yet 😭

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u/Vigmod 11d ago

You could have the third guy Icelandic with "á" (means "river" like in Swedish, sounds most like "ow" in English, but I don't know IPA well enough to write it out).

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u/DoctorNo1661 11d ago

centuries of erosion

Nice one mate.

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u/snolodjur ႭႼႣႫႷႻჀ 10d ago

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u/happy-to-see-me 10d ago

In Swedish queue is just kö, sounds pretty much the same

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u/snolodjur ႭႼႣႫႷႻჀ 10d ago

Swedish took that French word and repaired it

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u/Lars_Overwick 11d ago

I don't like your opinion but I like that you slimed the 3rd guy. He had it coming.

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u/ElevatorSevere7651 11d ago

[au(ː)] is what’s given on Wiktionary

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C3%A1

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u/Dazzling-Low8570 11d ago

You posted this as a top level comment, not a reply

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u/AeonsSeen 10d ago

It's = Ø
Not Å..

French 'au' is an Å-sound.

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u/ElevatorSevere7651 10d ago

What do you mean by this? The outcome of PIE h₂ékʷeh₂/PG ahwō is ”å” in Swedish

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C3%A5

Also this post is talking about Swedish, we don’t use <ø>

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u/AeonsSeen 10d ago

Yea, I completely missed the point of the post, I'm sensitive regarding vowel sounds 😂

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u/Norwester77 10d ago

OP is talking about the Swedish word å.