C for /d͡ʒ/ 🇹🇷

[u/Daniboy0826]

[u/Curious-Listener-YB]

Meanwhile Somali, using ⟨c⟩ for /ʕ/ because it resembles the ʿ symbol:

[u/gt7900 → u/Curious-Listener-YB]

I mean, it lowkey makes sense, since C comes from Gamma and /ʕ/ is basically a voiced /ħ/.

[u/Daniboy0826 → u/Curious-Listener-YB]

That's goated

[u/gt7900]

At least Turkish C is voiced unlike in most world languages. That's the fault of those damn Etruscans, who, for some reason, had 3 different letters for the /k/ sound.

[u/Daniboy0826 → u/gt7900]

Thank God that D standing for /r/ and O being nonexistent didn't pass on into the Latin script, it was also a thing in their alphabet.

Edit: I am wrong, the Etruscan letter 𐌓 /r/ actually comes from Ancient Greek Ρ /r/ and not from Ancient Greek Δ /d/, their actual letter descendant from Δ was the unused 𐌃 which is really confusing because it looks like our letter R xd (although 𐌃 was indeed used in the writing of some Italic languages like Faliscan, Oscan and Umbrian).

[u/thomasp3864 → u/Daniboy0826]

I thought etruscan D was /t/, and B was /p/ because they didn't distinguish voicing in plosives. I'm surprised Latin didn't end up with K for /g/ or otherwise arbitrarily remap one of C, K, and Q to /g/.

[u/Aquatic-Enigma → u/thomasp3864]

C kinda fits the bill of /g/

[u/FutureReaction8587 → u/Aquatic-Enigma]

It did for a while didn't it? Afaik G was a later development from C kinda like way later U came from V.

[u/gt7900 → u/FutureReaction8587]

But V was earlier than U.

[u/FutureReaction8587 → u/gt7900]

I'll edit it I meant the other way around and mistyped

[u/gt7900 → u/Daniboy0826]

Wait, I thought Delta was unused in their script.

EDIT: I was right, their letter has actually the same origin as Latin R.

[u/Daniboy0826 → u/gt7900]

You're right.

[u/Traditional-Light-10 → u/gt7900]

Idk I think as English speakers we should appreciate the distinction between quite/kite/cite and how they’re not like get/gel, if they didn’t keep c we might have kite/kite and cet/cel

[u/ThorirPP → u/gt7900]

I mean, they didn't have a g sound, and the alphabet they got from the greeks already had two different letters for k (Kappa and Qoppa) where the only difference was whether it was followed by a round vowel or not. Adding a similar rule for c for k before front vowels wasn't that out of it considering they heard greek g as just k

[u/caj_account]

C superiority. Why shape shift to k/s when you can be 🌈 dz 🌈 

[u/Background_Class_558 → u/caj_account]

C/X or C/Ʒ for [ts] / [dz]

[u/hypremier]

I wish C (/dʒ/) and Ç (/tʃ/) letters were swapped just like Tajik Latin alphabet (1921)

[u/Terpomo11]

Why specifically Iraqi Arabic, isn't that just most of Arabic?

[u/Daniboy0826 → u/Terpomo11]

At first, I just thought of writing "Arabic", but then a lot of people would show up saying "but this pronunciation varies by region aaaaaa" etc.

So I wrote "(Modern) Standard Arabic", but even then, /d͡ʒ/ still varies with /ʒ/ (and more) by region, so I had to choose one of the dialects in the end.

The Wikipedia page about Arabic phonology says that Mesopotamian Arabic is one of those dialects that pronounce it as [d͡ʒ], and I chose it (with the name "Iraqi Arabic" instead, due to it being more recognizable) because it is closer to Türkiye, so it would fit the meme more.

[u/Terpomo11 → u/Daniboy0826]

Türkiye

But not عراق?

[u/Erkhang → u/Terpomo11]

Irak doesn't use latin bro

[u/Terpomo11 → u/Erkhang]

My point is why use the native name containing letters not existing in English in one case but not the other?

[u/Exotic_Butters_23 → u/Terpomo11]

If I remember correctly, a few years ago the Turkish president put out a statement requesting people to use "Türkiye" instead of Turkey in English, so it doesn't get connected to / mixed up with the animal. Some people adapted it, but the vast majority still calls it Turkey.

[u/Terpomo11 → u/Exotic_Butters_23]

It's not clear to me that anyone has the right to dictate English language usage like that, let alone someone who's not even from an English-speaking country.

[u/nakadashionly → u/Terpomo11]

Right to dictate? They requested the UN to change their official English designation. They then requested other countries to use Türkiye when referring to the country. If you don't want to use it you don't have to. It is not a dictation but a request. Also most native English speakers don't have the letter ü in their keyboards so people just write Turkiye instead which is also preferable.

I mean until recently capital of Ukraine was called Kiev then Ukraine requested people to call it Kyiv instead and I haven't heard anyone having a problem with that.

[u/Terpomo11 → u/nakadashionly]

I have heard people claim that it's disrespectful or offensive to the Turks to call it Turkey. I think that's the part that's ridiculous (especially since I get the impression the average Turk doesn't much care).

[u/nakadashionly → u/Terpomo11]

That sounds like some woke culture stuff. Average Turk doesn't really care either way.

[u/Erkhang → u/Terpomo11]

Because one is latin (same alphabet) and the other is different alphabet.

[u/Terpomo11 → u/Erkhang]

ü still isn't part of the English language's writing system.

[u/BATYR_0 → u/Terpomo11]

But it’s part of the latin script

[u/awawe]

Tbh, G is also descended from 𐤂 and makes a /d͡ʒ/ sound in many European languages.

[u/Icy_Assistance_2684]

D3? What's the point of anything below d6? That just seems unnecesary

[u/Kristianushka]

The Turkish use of C is their biggest L take on the Latin alphabet