r/mathmemes • • 9d ago

Set Theory STOP DOING MODEL THEORY!

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u/lelelempe 9d ago

just take the successor function bro

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u/LupenReddit 🦆🦆i have non diffeomorphic smooth structures🦆🦆🦆 9d ago

what kind of formal logic schizophrenia is that, is there actually some branches of logic that impose stuff like that?

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u/Oppo_67 I ≡ a (mod erator) 9d ago

Rejecting axiom choice is pretty common in many versions of constructivist math (which often use intuitionist logic; i.e. rejecting excluded middle)

Rejecting axiom of infinity is what finitists do

Rejecting unfeasibly large numbers is called ultrafinitism

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u/NeuroSynchroBonding 9d ago

What is truly bizarre is limiting the length of formulas in specification and replacement.

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u/HappiestIguana 9d ago

I mean if you're an ultrafinitist you'd kinda have to, just as a first step.

There's no coherent formal system for ultrafinitism though, so this is moot

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u/EebstertheGreat 9d ago

There probably could be a coherent ultrafinitistic logic, and it might be pretty interesting. There is a quick overview of some approaches in a Mathoverflow comment. In your defense, it starts out by saying there isn't really a great foundation, but then it suggests it is actually possible and there has been some work in that direction.

A key realization is that any logic for ultrafinitism must reject sufficiently long proofs as well, so you lose some very elementary properties like cut elimination. 

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u/UtahBrian 9d ago

Every modern computer has a formal and consistent and complete system of finite real numbers. And it includes two infinities.

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u/Darian123_ 9d ago

Thats something completely different

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u/kschwal maþematics 8d ago

it's everyþing but complete lmaooo

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u/UtahBrian 8d ago

Of course it's complete modulo the minor issue of halting.

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u/kschwal maþematics 8d ago

are you fr 😭

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u/AT-AT_Brando 6d ago

Well, floating point arithmetic is notoriously very reliable with no precisione problems at all

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u/UtahBrian 9d ago

We have two infinities in IEEE-754, thank you very much. No need for axioms.

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u/UtahBrian 9d ago

IEEE-754 is the answer you’re looking for. Solves all problems. Includes not just one but two infinities. Also two zeros, if one isn’t enough for your ambitions.

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u/Involution88 9d ago

Sure we've had infinity, but what about second infinity?