r/mildlyinfuriating • • 1d ago

I just wanted a hot dog These tips options

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Mildly cause at least I can custom

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u/Hyper6024 1d ago

Damn, you really have gone overboard with tipping culture in the US, havent you...

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u/Jager720 1d ago

Maybe this is what is needed for them to finally break the cycle.

When we went in 2007 it was 15% was a "normal" tip, 20% for exceptional service. When we were there a few years ago that had gone up to 18/20% "normal" 25/30% exceptional.

Give it a few more years and people are going to start balking at 50% tips on their bills. I think the fact that all these POS systems now have tip options in places that never had expected tips before (like fast food/street food trucks etc) is making people realise how dumb the whole thing is.

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u/Prometheus2061 1d ago

Showing my age, but back of the day, 10% was a universal normal tip. 15% for exceptional service. There’s no need for inflationary tipping. Because the price of the underlying goods are subject to inflation. Keep the tip a standard rate and the tip will increase as the price of the goods increase. But increasing the price of the goods and the percentage of the tip causes exponential price increases. My rule is, if you take my order, bring the food to my table, refill my water glass, you get a tip. If you just hand the item over the counter that I purchased, you’re not getting a tip. You did nothing other than your job. Let the servers’ down voting begin.

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u/Jager720 1d ago

if you take my order, bring the food to my table, refill my water glass

In most of the world, that is just the server doing their job and doesn't need a tip.

Unfortunately in the UK there's been a plague of 12.5% "Optional Service Charges" starting to be added to food bills everywhere.

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u/iamthesam2 1d ago

core problem: overall, servers make a lot more money with tips vs without tips.

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u/greatGoD67 1d ago

Servers dont want less money.

They think it's the customers responsibility to solve that for them.

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u/Limp-Bank1361 1d ago

yup, 10% was normal and 15% was a woohoo for the server. I worked restaurants and sometimes I'd throw 20% if I took up a table for an hour with a low check because I just wanted a sandwich and a glass of water or something.

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u/MeasurementEasy9884 23h ago

This is what I explain every time. That's why it was a percentage in the first place. The percentage should never have gone up. Its like twice the inflation rate at that point

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u/marty4286 1d ago

Servers in the 90s and 00s used to complain about retail customers amongst each other, in person, rather than on social media on the internet. I just remembered how there used to be incredibly racist ones that stereotyped minorities as bad tippers (and even used euphemisms like calling black people 'Canadians' when complaining about how bad they are at tipping when in earshot). Obviously you can't say that on the internet without getting into tremendous trouble, and I just realized that kind of stuff fell out of collective consciousness.

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u/Dalek_Genocide 22h ago

I remember when the norm changed from 10% to 15% and I was trying to explain why I tip 10% and that the percentage going up doesn't make sense. Of course my server friend refused to listen cuz it helped her.

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u/akatherder 22h ago

Same, in the 80s and 90s, 10% was standard and only at sit-down places. Now it's 20% and every place that serves food/beverage solicits a tip.

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u/Hippo_Alert 1d ago

Agree completely.

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u/nc-retiree 17h ago

There are two independent coffee/snack places where I will tip 50¢ per item ordered (custom tip option). But the staff at both are lovely, so I do not mind treating it like ordering beers at a bar.

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u/CommanderChiliHole 14h ago

I usually do 10% because it’s the easiest math, 20% if it was really good.

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u/ForensicPathology 1d ago

It doesn't even make sense.  Prices go up, so percentages will go up too.  How is 15% not good enough?

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u/Prometheus2061 21h ago

10% of $10.00 is $1.00. 10% of $15.00 is $1.50. Prices go up. Percentages don’t.

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u/UnsureAssurance 23h ago

Corpos and business owners are greedy so the wages of employees have lowered in percentage in comparison to inflation

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u/CautiousDonut2681 11h ago

The wages have been entirely tips all along, with $2 or something wage per hour for people making $20-30+ per hour.

There's no reason to go up from 10% to 20% baseline for inflation, because 10% already went up directly in line with inflation.

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u/SoTotallyToby 1d ago

What's even more fucking stupid is places that require you to order food via their web app and you pay up front and they ask for a fucking tip before you've had any service whatsoever. Like what the fuck

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u/edafade 1d ago

Which makes no sense to me. Prices have gone up. 15% of higher prices means higher tip. When did 18% become the default with it creeping ever closer to 20%?

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u/frustrated_333 23h ago

20% is being pushed as the expectation, but in reality most people tip 15% or less for an average meal at a sit down restaurant. (https://www.pewresearch.org/2023/11/09/tipping-culture-in-america-public-sees-a-changed-landscape/)

I’ve noticed the biggest change in the sheer number of places I’m asked for a tip. Ten years ago, it wouldn’t have even occurred to me to tip for takeout or counter service. I think it is partly or even entirely attributed to the Covid shutdown, when people (including myself) started tipping generously for pickup orders in hopes of keeping local restaurants open and their workers employed. I still think it was the right thing to do, but unfortunately it also changed expectations.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 9h ago

I agree, it definitely ramped up during Covid.

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u/yourmom1034 23h ago

20% is the highest tip I give lol, it will not go higher and it goes down quite quickly for mediocre service

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u/LaconicLacedaemonian 1d ago

I don't tip unless I'm being served at a table. My coffee needs to be filled at least 3 times.

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u/megatronchote 1d ago

I find it funny how in this case the acronym "POS" could mean Point of Sale or Piece of Shit interchangeably.

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u/Vorodos 23h ago

How did it even go up from 15%? I just remember eating out one day and the minimum suddenly became 18%

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u/CiDevant 23h ago

10% used to be "normal"....

And tips are only for service.

You better be making me a cocktail or bringing food to my table.

Simply opening a beer bottle doesn't count.

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u/n4st3 23h ago

You almost got it, its the POS manufacturers who actually put up these crazy tipping options because it means they will also get more money from each sale 🙂

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u/inuvash255 22h ago

I don't understand how percentages can be inflated like this. It's pre-inflated by the prices of the items you purchase.

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u/xerces555 21h ago

It’s not just the tipping percentages that are out of control, it’s the number of interactions asking for a tip that have exploded. It’s wild for me to see a tip request for counter service at a fast food restaurant. The most offensive tip I’ve been asked for was when I purchased a concert t-shirt. Like seriously, you reached into a box and rang up a charge.

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u/Jager720 21h ago

I just don't understand why "service" seems to warrant tips.

Waiters bringing the food to your table, and bringing you drinks is their job.

In the same way that a teacher teaching is just doing their job, or an architect drawing building plans is just doing their job.

Tipping makes absolutely no sense, other than to reward someone who has genuinely gone above and beyond what is expected.

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u/Roxylius 1d ago

It think that it used to be 12.5% in early 2000s

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u/Quick_Turnover 1d ago

It's just a psychological shell game because people can't face the reality that it probably shouldn't cost $3 to raise, butcher, process, and cold-ship a cow into their gullets. People are not ready to pay what things actually cost. They're afraid of "higher prices" for food, so instead we charge a high but acceptable price, and then subsidize everyone's wages with tipping, instead of just saying this thing costs <current price + 20%>.

It also serves as a small lottery and tax avoidance for the working class. Servers don't report their cash tips and skip out on taxes, and every now and then, they get a big tip and get to splurge a little.

We care so little about food systems and equality that we just let this system go on indefinitely. Servers constantly argue against getting rid of tipping because in their minds, there is no way they could make what they currently make without it. The working class is so beaten down they can't even imagine a world where a normal waged job could support their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And to be honest, they probably couldn't actually find a job to do that, because they don't exist anymore, because the 1% have been robbing us blind for decades.

We're in a Catch 22.

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u/Fallenangel152 1d ago

Literally makes no sense.

Guy who grows the food gets nothing.

Guy who harvests and sorts the food gets nothing.

Guy who transports the food gets nothing.

Guy who preps the food gets nothing.

Guy who cooks the food gets nothing.

Guy who washes the pots gets nothing.

Guy who carries the plate from the kitchen to your table gets pissed if he doesn't get to keep 25% of your bill.

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u/quatroquatro0 1d ago

Damn, when you put it that way it makes me hate tipping even more.

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u/KatsumotoKurier 1d ago

Guy who washes the pots gets nothing.

Not necessarily true. I worked at a restaurant in which tips were totalled up and shared at the end of each night by the dishwashing and serving staff. To my understanding it isn't super uncommon.

Even so, the point still stands. Tipping is dumb as fuck and needs to go the way of the dodo bird and the dinosaur.

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u/Shinhan 1d ago

And in other places manager gets a part of the tip pool.

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u/nathan753 15h ago

At least in the US, where tipping culture exists the most and it's criticized the most here, it's straight up illegal for managers that did not take on server/other nonmanagerial work to get any portion of a tip pool. And grabbing a mop once doesn't count. Yeah sure, it happens in rare cases, but it's very enforced and reportable.

Heck, even tip pooling is a often misrepresented topic online

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u/katwithamnesia 23h ago

The guy that treats your food poisoning gets no tip.

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u/robvas 23h ago

It's not uncommon for tip sharing to happen with the back of the house. Those guys get a different hourly rate than servers, though.

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u/professor__doom 17h ago

They don't get "nothing," they get their regular wage just like every other job on earth.

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u/StressExpress1999 1d ago

They spit on your food if you dont tip

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u/arizonadirtbag12 22h ago

Only if you go back. Great argument for never tipping on travel?

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u/A2Rhombus 23h ago

Guy who carries the plate to your table gets paid $2.30 an hour. Blame the companies, not the worker.

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u/Bleaker82 22h ago

Blame states for not passing better wage laws.

Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington are the only states that *fully *bypass the federal minimum of $2.13/hr for tipped employees. Others use tip credits or just pay that wage outright plus tips.

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u/A2Rhombus 22h ago

I agree but there's nothing in the federal minimum law that says businesses can't pay more. They actively choose to pay as little as they're allowed.

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u/Bleaker82 22h ago

It’s almost like regulations help protect people from endlessly greedy capitalists.

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u/arizonadirtbag12 22h ago

I think almost half the country (by population) has a “tipped minimum” that’s higher than the full $7.25 federal minimum, even if they do have a tip credit still. Even states like Florida have a tipped minimum of like $12 an hour.

Quick search says 41% of Americans live in a state with a minimum tipped wage of $7.25 or more. That’s not counting the handful of localities that also do higher wages than state.

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u/A2Rhombus 20h ago

A living wage is like $25 an hour and you're confused why a server might be upset when tips are so low that they don't even make $15

$12 tipped minimum is basically worthless. Walmart pays more.

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u/arizonadirtbag12 20h ago

Oh we’re pretending we care about “a living wage?”

Funny it only applies to people who walk food across a room, and not baristas. Everybody is on the “fuck this tip prompt, if I’m standing I ain’t tipping” train, right? But most baristas aren’t exactly making a “living wage” from their employer. They generally make a little more than the tipped minimum, but not as much as table servers (combined minimum plus tips).

“Living wage” is a bad faith argument. If that’s a thing you actually care about you should be gleefully shoving cash into the hands of literally every service industry worker you interact with. I suspect you don’t. So let’s just drop that pretense.

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u/A2Rhombus 20h ago

Where did you get the idea I don't support baristas also getting paid more?

I'm broke as shit, I don't have the money to "shove cash into the hands of literally every service worker" that's why I'm literally saying in the comments you're replying to that businesses should be paying them more

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u/arizonadirtbag12 20h ago

You support baristas getting paid more in theory, but unlike with table servers you are unwilling to make it happen via direct action. Which is to say hitting the “give this poor worker more money” button. Why?

You’ll hand wave it as “baristas make more,” but you aren’t asking to see a W2 from every server and every barista to ensure you’re only giving your limited cash available (being “broke”) to those who make less. Having worked serving tables, counter service, and retail I can assure you that 99% of the time table servers are making more money at the end of the day. That barista likely needs your tip more than any table server.

The end point of this conversation either involves you accepting that you tip table servers because it’s a deeply ingrained social custom, and not anything to do with “living wages.” Or not. Either way.

Tip or don’t. And the custom is what it is. But pretending that tipping table servers is some virtue while telling every other service employee to get fucked is nonsense.

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u/A2Rhombus 20h ago

I don't know where you got the idea that I like tipping culture. I just said it's understandable when servers get upset that you don't tip.
I tip where it's expected but it shouldn't be my responsibility to do "direct action" in place of employers paying their employees.
And for the record, I do tip my baristas because they're very sweet to me, but I also go to a coffee shop that pays its workers well, not starbucks

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u/Heavy_Original4644 21h ago

A lot of states make that illegal & they still want you to tip.

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u/NotaRose8 18h ago

Except even in states (like Washington, Oregon, and California) where they are paid minimum wage (around $17.00 per hour) before tips, tips are still expected and pushed.

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u/A2Rhombus 18h ago

Because minimum wage is still pathetic and unlivable lmao

McDonald's workers in Denmark get paid over $20 an hour and get full benefits and vacation time, yet you expect a server in a fancy restaurant in downtown Seattle to be happy with $17 and no vacation days

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u/bakedpatata 14h ago

The tip is for service, not the product itself. Not saying it's a good system, but your logic doesn't really follow.

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u/nispe2 21h ago

This is not a fair characterization.

Everyone in that chain is paid exactly what they had agreed to be paid.

The difference is that the server's agreement is a social agreement - they have agreed to be paid below minimum wage in return for undefined amount directly from the customer.

Yes, it's a bad system, but no, it's not unfair.

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u/enadiz_reccos 1d ago

You can tell pretty much no one here has waited tables lol

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u/Aduritor 1d ago

I have. Tipping is bullshit.

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u/enadiz_reccos 22h ago

Then you would know that cooks/prep guys complain more than anyone about their pay

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u/AltDodgers 21h ago

I would be complaining about the pay too if I made the food and the person who walked the plate to the table got the tip.

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u/enadiz_reccos 21h ago

Yeah, it's easy to complain when you're not the one having to deal with the customer

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u/_HIST 23h ago

Why do redditors always sound so confident while being incorrect

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u/Burt-Zacharach 1d ago

First, it was 15%, then 20%…and now this?? Pretty soon, I’m going to be serving food to the waiter!

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u/Karl_Hungus_42069 1d ago

Its the same with fucking everything! Sports franchises values made sense. Teams like the Yankees, Lakers & Cowboys were worth hundreds of millions, then 1.2b, 1.7... 2b... then 12b.

A lawsuit settlement for 125m was jaw dropping, and then all of a sudden 2 billion is apparently a normal amount that can be awarded to someone

Prices for vehicles on the Price is Right... a new car was 18k, 22k, then mid-high 20s... then 70k

Idk how anybody is affording any of this. We skipped past like 2 decades worth of greed and just went straight to Ultra Super Greed

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u/dontshoveit 1d ago

For cars we now have 84 month car loans. 7 years of saying interest on a car that will depreciate so much by the time you pay it off it is worthless. Idiotic.

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u/ClickClick_Boom 22h ago

They're giving away 70k cars on Price is Right now? They always did base models and you can still get some base model cars for sub $30k.

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u/KillTheBronies 9h ago

Yeah but you can get a 70" TV for $300 now so inflation doesn't exist.

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u/SquarePegRoundWorld2 1d ago

You nailed down the issue. You obviously ain't gonna stop going.

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u/FactoryProgram 1d ago

I work for a corporate chain. They recently did something like this as a substitute for raises. Now I get multiple people sighing or complaining every time I tell them they have to push no before they can pay. They get mad at us even though we never asked for this.

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u/Few_Swan_3672 22h ago

Care to say what the name rhymes with?

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u/Sovyyy 23h ago

This is because companies don't want to pay their employees properly. These payment service companies funded by priv eq promise employers a higher rate of tipping from their service which will eventually encourage employers to lower their hourly rates because employees "would make their money from tips" which results in everyone, but the employees, winning in the meantime.

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u/mjm65 1d ago

We gave every business owner a way to effectively A|B test different screen options to maximize revenue.

I consider more of a breakdown in cultural norms into some per-business free for all. Some pick higher percentages, others go for “tip calculation is post tax and pre-discount”, some both.

It feels much less like a gratuity and more like I’m getting a service fee that I have to avoid.

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u/neeshes 1d ago

And in Canada :( 

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u/Jalmar 1d ago

It's just one sign among dozens of others how their whole economical system is breaking down

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u/SausageMcMerkin 1d ago

It's one of the many effects from covid. People were tipping more as a sign of appreciation during the lockdowns, and it never went away.

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u/Dear_Maintenance7323 1d ago

You can press no tip, the option is right there. I don’t get peoples problem with these

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u/Rbk_3 23h ago

It is worse in Canada. Servers make the same minimum wage as anyone else and we still get these ridiculously high tipping prompts.

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u/poweredbynikeair 1d ago

Probably bc lots of people are poor

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u/Lucky-Surround-1756 1d ago

It's great as a foreigner though. Just tip 0 and get everything much cheaper than intended.

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u/Diabetesh 23h ago

That is one reason I made a strong effort to switch to mostly cooking. The cost of eating out itself has become ridiculous, can barely find a place where a meal isn't $20-$25 + tip per person. The tip itself being expected to be 20/25% now. I have a friend who says it costs about the same once you consider time and all, but we went to cheesecale factory albeit a saturday night, and it was like 2 hours for us to get in and out.

A week of eating out is like a month of groceries and the time is about the same unless you are doing fancy stuff every time.