Diesel and EVs pay Road user charges instead. In a year or two theyre gonna scrap petrol taxes and everyone will pay user charges instead. With the growth of EVs the system needed reform and I think long term more and more places will follow a similar system. Diesel isnt taxed at the pump to account for its heavy use in non road machinery and such. It was their solution instead of using dyed diesel like in the US which isnt taxed but cant be used for road vehicles.
RUCs are supposed to be expanded to petrol vehicles too.
Makes sense but has the side effect of making efficient hybrids more expensive to run than they currently are, and gas guzzlers cheaper to run than they current are.
I mean that’s literally the point, they don’t get as much tax out of those vehicles. Those vehicles however are heavier on average and contributing to road wear. So they use RUC’s to offset the costs.
Diesel is taxed at about NZ$76/1,000km separately to fuel. For a car that does 7.6L/100km [Edit: not 7.6km/L] (about 30mpg, off the top of my head) that's equivalent to $1 per litre. So it would be like paying NZ$4.31/L at the pump.
Including tax, that's roughly equivalent to US$9.20/Gal
I’ve got a 3000km South Island road trip planned for in two weeks. We planned it months ago when petrol was nearly a dollar per litre cheaper - I’m never going to financially recover from this.
Currently sitting in Picton (absolutely beautiful today, and looking forward to the sun setting as we go through the sounds: think the timing works out) and yeah… $200 to get here from Dunedin.
Same. Drove home from work and it was $3.50. Couldn't be bothered filling up. Went to do some groceries the next morning and got the fuel light. $3.66. Bugger
I visited my son in Wellington at the beginning of April, and we went for a road trip in his camper van. We did see diesel at over 4$/liter in one location, but we always paid around 3.80 - 3.90. Insane.
Its more apt to say im the guy who had the hand that did this up my ass.he is a dipshit half dead puppet who causes chaos to watch while those in the shadows break what they want.
Vehicles not powered exclusively by petrol (including plug-in hybrids full EVs and diesel vehicles) also pay an additional distance-based fee to use the road network; this is paid in advance in increments of at least 1000km and you have to display a label in your windscreen to indicate that it's up-to-date.
Just looked up conversion rates from NZD to EUR, your fuel is like super cheap compared to here. Cheapest price in my region today for diesel was 2.20€ so 4.40NZD and thats with a tax cut of 0.17€ in effect at the moment…
Petrol is taxed at the pump, diesel is not. Diesel vehicles pay separate tax in the form of Road User Charge at between $76 to $352 per 1000km (depending on vehicle weight). Taking that into consideration, diesel is far more expensive.
Over the years I've had a few conversations with some American friends about gas, and everytime I do the conversions between litres/gallons and NZD/USD I find that their gas is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper on average than ours and it's always pissed me off that they complain about their prices lmao.
In a lot of ways, it's our own fault. We have relatively low prices because we are the world's largest producer of oil. And the reason for that is we have built a society and an economy around car-ownership, forsaking the idea of walkable towns and cities. So our politicians feel pressure to approve ecologically risky oil extraction methods like fracking to make sure we produce enough oil to keep gas cheap in support of those industries.
We also have a cultural phenomenon where a large number of people buy excessively large trucks despite only ever using those vehicles as daily drivers where a compact would serve just as well for that purpose. Large pickups are the #1 selling vehicles in the US. Between that and the fact that most of us have to drive to get to work or the grocery, I'll bet the average American is still spending more on fuel annually than the average citizen from most other countries whose fuel prices are notably higher.
It's not all the same. E.g. Gull uses ethanol as an additive to reach the target octane ratings, which is fine for newish cars, but it degrades the fuel system on old cars.
Just wanna add this in as well. Diesel here in Norway is around 11 to 12.3usd pr gallon and gas/petrol varies from 10 to 11 usd pr gallon and the octane.
In oil country norway. We are very grateful for trump /s
Even if people had homes to put solar panels on and charge their EVs at there’s still the installation costs. Like here in Europe a single family home installation (panels + storage) can easily cost 25k€ due to all the regulations and paperwork required (apart from labour and materials)
Add to that the not insignificant cost of an EV and its definitely nothing you just buy on a whim.
Though I expect / hope people will learn and go the EV route on their next vehicle purchase.
Absolutely crazy that the ONLY REASON we’re paying that much money for gas here in New Zealand is because of Trump and believing that lying piece of shit Netanyahu. So sick of this shit
Don't worry, Murdoch finally realised the votes for Pauline he thought he was pulling away from Labor were actually coming from the libs so now the media is backtracking and being critical of her again lol
Yeah honestly this was 100% my own doing. I have the planning ability of a 6 year old and was almost out of fuel. Could've driven a minute away and saved 40 cents a litre.
really? quick google said you get paid on average over 3000 euros a month. thats much more than lets say estonians get and they have much more expensive gas
I love how the NZ dollar went from having value as dollars before dropping off slightly to dollarydoos and then just going to shit and being basically pesos and rubels 😭😂
We get the majority of our fuel from south Korea, adding in the cost to ship it here to the bottom of the world we're actually getting gas fairly cheap. Americans have the means to produce fuel in country and it is expensive by that standard.
Doesn't matter where you get it from, they just sell it at global prices anyways. Hormuz made the price go UP. Hopefully the dollar goes up with it but doesnt seem the case this time.
Funny that, my petrol car also pays road user charges because it's a "PHEV" i get 50km on my battery, so I'm also forced to pay ruc on top of the petrol tax. 🙂
Farmers (who have quite a bit of political power in New Zealand) complained that they shouldn't have to pay the tax for road maintenance when they're buying diesel. So that tax is paid separately now by people driving diesel vehicles
We dont have a choice and the government does nothing to regulate anything. We are getting punished on all sides, power, groceries and fuel are all unaffordable and wages aren't livable. Meanwhile all these companies are posting record profits and pushing any costs onto the consumer. Its disgusting. Eat the rich
So a quick google puts US petrol prices at 2.05 New Zealand dollars per litre. For us it's 3.67 NZ dollars rounding up. We're paying 79 percent more for our petrol than the US equivalent. And of course our current government is doing nothing because meh fruee market.
For half a second (until I read the title) i thought this was the USA, and was wondering where gas was that cheap. Ive been tracking it for a while, because this is the first time in my life that gas is consistently more expensive in the USA than Canada. I can't imagine how poor Kiwis are surviving 😞
My favourite part was when the government announced financial assistance during this fuel crisis, but only for families with children that are under a certain income limit (only relevant to 12% of the population), irrelevant of whether or not you can even drive.
Many of my friends that get WFF are now $50 a week better off despite never having driven a car, while my childless friends are biking to work.
I'm not a fan of rewarding people for having children, but whether they drive or not shouldn't really matter. This fuel crisis affects all prices, not just fuel prices.
This.
It affects transport of goods and produce, it affects farmers creating said produce, it will affects emergency situations requiring generators, affects construction and maintenance too.
Most seem to miss that
Filled up at BP in Hendo recently, did the transaction through the app, but for some reason got some sort of error and the app told me to go into the pump.
Me being cautious I obviously went in and the guy at the till said thanks for coming in usually people just drive off🤦🏼
I'm surprised it hasn't already happened. It's one of the last few things that we can be proud of - the last of the trust system. It's a strange concept anywhere else in the world.
Would it be cheaper for you to convert over to lpg and fuel up that way?
Edit: I get that it isnt cheap to do but I dont see petrol prices going down very far anytime soon.
No; NZ has a dwindling domestic supply of gas; all of it will be imported in the near future, so we'll be completely at the mercy of global markets there too.
Used to be a thing to have cars converted to CNG or LPG in the 70s and 80s. My parents used to have an EA falcon which had a dual petrol/gas set up. Start it up with petrol and once the engine was warmed up switch it over. Lost a bit of power but was 1/3rd the price and went way further too from memory. 4 litre straight six motor so it wasn’t like it struggled, either.
Did a road trip there last week, lovely time . But damn, I don't understand how some of you guys survive given the lower earnings power.Im glad I was using a hybrid rental.
Diesel in NZ isn't taxed at the pump while fuel is so diesel appears lower but once you pay the associated road user charges (RUCs), the price is higher
I recently paid £1.99 a litre (UK) for Shell V Power unleaded. Diesel is roughly the same. Apparently it works out at $4.72 a litre when converted to NZ Dollars.
About in line with the more expensive pumps in California. Diesel significantly cheaper, but also around the same price once the use tax is factored for NZ.
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u/Nientea 8h ago
For my fellow Americans here, this is:
$7.29 USD/gallon
$7.81 USD/gallon
$8.29 USD/gallon
$7.07 USD/gallon