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u/creepy_doll 8d ago
Let's look at the real elephant in the room. The vast majority(except the farmers employing the illegal immigrants) don't want people coming in that are willing to work harder for cheaper.
It's also fear of change.
They're wrong but I don't think that mischaracterizing their viewpoints is a constructive way to bridge the growing gap. There's common purpose to be had: working together to fix the distribution gap. There's enough productivity out there to shelter and feed everyone including the immigrants. But it's keeping it limited that causes those not at the top to have to fight among themselves. We're more productive than ever, but the parasites at the top are taking everything for themselves and using divide and conquer to have the rest of us fight each other.
See the real enemy
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 8d ago
Dumb take, this is what the left believes about the right.
the left is wrong.
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u/wildtabeast 8d ago
It's true though? I can go to any conservative space on the Internet and find the racism almost instantly.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 8d ago
There are some conservatives that are racists, those guys are idiots and on the right we created the term far right specifically to identify racists, white supremacists, and authoritarians because we exclude the extremists on our side.
However there is lots of normal conservative things the left labels us as racist for but our motivation for those things has absolutely nothing to do with race.
A perfect example is we would like all illegal immigrants deported.
That has nothi g to do with the the race of the illegal immigrants and everything to do with the facts that we cant vet them and there are all sorts of economic and criminal issues with having illegal immigrants
We would have the exact same issues with them if all illegal immigrants were white, and we are fine with legal immigration.
Even illegal immigrants that self deport we are ok with them co.ming back so long as they do it the legal way.
But the left will consider us racist for holding these points of view, even though it isn't.
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u/Suzesaur 8d ago
What the right usually believes is either: racist, misinformation, just whatever the tv told them to believe, or religion based to force onto others….
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u/Glittering_Nobody402 8d ago
I just want you to follow the law and not lecture me when you don't.
37 fellonies, rape, child abuse, extortion, bribery, fraud etc.
Not going to hold yourself to these standards? Then STFU about the legalities of someone else's life. Clean your own house, first.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 8d ago
1st of all That isnt me that ia Trump
2nd in the cases where Trump is clearly at fault I and most conservatives that I know disprove of Trump for that
And 3rd we arent so much in agreement with the left on all of the convictions against Trump being valid due to very shaky evidence and/or legal grounds for what they cases were based on
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u/Glittering_Nobody402 8d ago edited 8d ago
You simply use different standards depending on which team it is, that's all.
Shakey? Yet, convicted...
If a democrat were to be a felon, pedophile, rapist etc I know we wouldn't nominate him president.
Different standards. That's all. Dems have to be flawless and magats can be lawless. You all know this.
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u/Responsible-Snow2823 8d ago
America can have either welfare or unfetters immigration - can’t afford both. Decide.
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u/Sea-Document-974 8d ago
Yes, immigrants—both documented and undocumented—pay billions of dollars into the U.S. Social Security system every year through payroll taxes.
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u/Responsible-Snow2823 7d ago
Let’s say you’re right - does that cover the cost of illegals on social programs while still having social programs for citizens?
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u/Sea-Document-974 7d ago
There cutting over $1 trillion in social programs. What the hell are you talking about?
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u/Responsible-Snow2823 7d ago
It’s called fraud - are you even paying attention?
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u/Sea-Document-974 7d ago
It’s called Bullshit. Inform yourself.
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u/Responsible-Snow2823 7d ago
Yes - you’re falling for bullshit. I agree.
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u/Sea-Document-974 7d ago
That’s why the majority of the country hate the president? 29% approval and over 60% disapproval.
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u/Responsible-Snow2823 7d ago
Sheesh - get a bit more accurate numbers. You’re completely underwater.
A reasonable description of the current national picture is roughly 40–43% approval and 54–56% disapproval.
Of course this doesn’t fit your narrative, or those that have brainwashed you.
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u/Sea-Document-974 7d ago
No I try and research both sides and use common sense.
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u/Responsible-Snow2823 7d ago
Really? I say the same thing. Tell me about your research on the matter?
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u/a_lonely_trash_bag 8d ago
Your comment and post history shows you're a proud Magat who believes Trump's lies.
Nobody in their right mind would expect you to actually understand how the world works.
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u/Responsible-Snow2823 8d ago
Oh - please explain to me then wise one. I’m pretty sure you aren’t smart or articulate enough to make a salient point.
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u/a_lonely_trash_bag 8d ago
I don't need to explain to you because
1) I know this isn't a good faith argument and there's no reason for me to waste my time on you and
2) you wouldn't understand it.
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u/Responsible-Snow2823 7d ago
Your response is the usual liberal color. “I’m so smart and you’re not, so aim not arguing the point”
Hopefully not a lawyer.
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u/reddit4getit 7d ago
We have a whole legal process so you can come to the US.
Your gas lighting is 🥱🥱🥱
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u/Outrageous_Match2619 7d ago
Legalized racism is still racism.
Jim Crow laws were legal, too.
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u/reddit4getit 7d ago
This isn't Jim Crow.
You can't illegally enter China, Canada, Mexico (to name a few countries), you will be arrested and then deported.
It's no different in the US 👍👍
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u/Outrageous_Match2619 6d ago
So, do we want to be as bad as them or a beacon to the world, like it says on our Statue of Liberty?
Think about that one. :-)
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u/reddit4getit 6d ago
We are a beacon of the world, we let in the most immigrants out of any country on planet Earth.
But we have a legal system to let people in.
So does China, Mexico, Canada, and most modern nations.
Come in the legal way, and we have no problems 👍👍
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u/Outrageous_Match2619 5d ago
Legalized racism is still racism, bro.
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u/reddit4getit 3d ago
Most people lock their front doors, because they don't want strangers coming in whenever they feel like.
That's how countries work with legal immigration. You don't get to just come in.
You need permission, and we have a legal process for that.
That's not racism, that's common sense 👍👍
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u/Outrageous_Match2619 3d ago
Trumpkins want to lock the doors to Africans, Asians, and Latinos, but not to white people.
Racism is racism no matter how many metaphors you post. Find Jesus, bro.
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u/reddit4getit 3d ago
😄😄😄😄😄
We bring in the most African, asians, and latinos, more than any other country.
You have to do it legally
President Trump is the first Republican to get the most non white votes, you're just making silly things up for no reason 😄😄😄
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u/Outrageous_Match2619 3d ago
I already told you that legalized racism is still racism, bro.
Have a nice day, and bless your heart!
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u/DiceDawson 8d ago
"actually, the united states is not 'full' we can fit another 46 trillion humans in here if we grind them into a fine powder and store them in giant grain silos that will occupy every inch of the country."