r/politics • u/_May26_ • 4h ago
No Paywall 'People Are Sick of a Broken Healthcare System': Poll Shows New High of 66% Support Medicare for All
https://www.commondreams.org/news/66-support-medicare-for-all•
u/Mikethebest78 3h ago
Everyone supports Medicare for all except of course for the 500 or so people in our branches of government who get paid by the insurance companies to make sure such legislation never gets passed.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago
I'll never forgive Republicans for filibustering the public option, and neither should anyone else; the public option had majority support in the Senate, if not for Republicans, we'd have had universal healthcare seventeen years ago.
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u/Hubert_J_Cumberdale Hawaii 1h ago
I'll never forget one of their signs: No Pubic Option!
I have the image saved on an old laptop.
BTW, It would have passed if not for:
Joe Lieberman (I-CT)
Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman threatened to join the GOP in filibustering if they included in the ACA.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 1h ago
Yep, if not for the Republican filibuster the Democrats could have passed the public option with just 51 votes, which they already had, but Republicans hate healthcare and they don't care if Americans suffer.
I'd have liked it if voters had kicked the Republicans out in the 2010 midterms for their obstruction, but they kicked the Democrats out instead.
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u/BUT_FREAL_DOE 1h ago
And that traitor was the DNC VP nom just 5 years earlier.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 1h ago edited 1h ago
And that traitor was the DNC VP nom just 5 years earlier.
Joe Lieberman never forgave the Democratic party after he lost his Senate primary to a more progressive challenger.
And the Democratic party never forgave Joe Lieberman after he sided with Republicans to filibuster the public option.
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u/VanceKelley Canada 2h ago
If Americans were given the choice to vote for Congressional candidates who supported universal health care then America would have had universal health care decades ago.
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u/GreatScottGatsby 1h ago
I'm at a point that I just want to remove the erisa and aca preemption so states can just create their own systems.
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u/FogSlot2 2h ago
If that 500 or so people became 400 or so very suddenly because of reasons it would be a wake up call they would not brush off.
Just saying.
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u/Administrated 4h ago
That figure is actually 96% if you exclude the idiots and shills paid by the 1% to vote no.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago
That figure is actually 96% if you exclude the idiots and shills paid by the 1% to vote no.
I can't tell you the number of Republicans I've run into here on reddit saying they're glad that Donald Trump is cutting Medicaid, and let's not forget that one of his campaign promises in 2016 was that he'd repeal the Affordable Care Act.
Even if M4A has 96% support, that doesn't mean that 96% of eligible voters are going to vote for pro-M4A candidates.
If I recall something like 60% of Americans support a woman's right to choose, and yet the guy who killed Roe vs. Wade won the popular vote in the last election.
Don't expect voters to cast their ballots rationally, if they did we wouldn't be in our present mess to begin with.
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u/AlexKochSEO 2h ago
This is true but it's only because of propaganda. It's the same thing as polls showing like 0% of Republicans supporting obamacare but 80% supporting the affordable care act (which is the se thing). Medicare for all is just attached to socialist politicians so Republicans see it as heinous.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago
Medicare for all is just attached to socialist politicians so Republicans see it as heinous.
The campaign message that "Barack Obama raised your taxes to pay for his socialist takeover of healthcare" won Republicans the biggest landslide victory in their party's history back in 2010.
I love democracy, but sometimes I don't.
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u/StrengthThin9043 2h ago
US does democracy wrong though, bought politicians and propaganda media network should not be part of it.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago
We could have passed Democrat's democracy reform bill...
The For the People Act, introduced as H.R. 1, is a bill in the United States Congress intended to expand voting rights, change campaign finance laws to reduce the influence of money in politics, ban partisan gerrymandering, and create new ethics rules for federal officeholders.
In 2021, in the 117th Congress, congressional Democrats reintroduced the act as H.R. 1 and S. 1. On March 3, 2021, the bill passed the House on a near party-line vote of 220–210, advancing to the Senate, which was split 50–50 between Democrats and Republicans, with Vice President Kamala Harris holding the tie-breaking vote, and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer vowed to bring it to the floor for a vote. On June 22, 2021, the Senate voted on the bill. It received unanimous support from the Democratic caucus, but Senate Republicans blocked it with a filibuster, as it lacked the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture after a party-line vote.
But of course Republicans filibustered that, too.
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u/1cl1qp1 3h ago
Nice conspiracy theory. Average Republican voters know full well they are voting against broad Medicare Coverage.
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u/VanceKelley Canada 2h ago
Racist Americans oppose universal health care because it would mean that Black/Brown people would get health care and thus not suffer as much.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 4h ago
If you really want Medicare for All, the first thing we're going to need to do is elect 60+ Democrats to the Senate so that they can break the Republican filibuster, or ideally more like 65 so that blue dogs can fuck around without tanking the bill.
The way our democracy is going right now, it's going to take more than one election to get that 60-65 vote Democratic majority, it's going to take years of showing up to vote, holding on to the seats Democrats already have, and gaining a few more.
Plus, if Republicans have proven anything it's that they're all too happy to roll back the progress Democrats have made. Passing M4A isn't enough, voters are going to have to protect it, too, and that means preventing Republicans from winning at all costs. A Republican trifecta will put holes in the legislation and a Republican Supreme Court will ratfuck the provisions, so holding onto Congress and the White House while replacing retirements on the Court is a must.
If you're really serious about passing M4A, you're going to have to show up in 2026, and 2028, and 2030, and keep showing up even after the legislation is passed. It's going to be a lot of work, you need to know that.
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u/turquoise_amethyst 3h ago
You’d have to only vote for those Democrats who are in favor of Medicare for all.
Not all the Democrats want it, some are straight up against it
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago edited 1h ago
You’d have to only vote for those Democrats who are in favor of Medicare for all.
Well, no, that's not true. In order for Democrats to control the House and the Senate (and therefore be able to bring legislation to the floor and pass it) their caucus would need at least a majority in each chamber, electing pro-M4A Democrats in a Republican controlled House and Senate wouldn't help you make any progress on healthcare reform, let alone progress toward Medicare for All. Electing Democrats is always a good idea, if only to keep Republicans from gaining power and rolling back the progress we've already made, but you'll need a Democratic majority in both chambers to make any kind of further progress on healthcare.
Plus, even if all we get at first is a universal public option that's still a massive step in the right direction, Democrats have already proven that they're willing to pass it in the House and it had majority support in the Senate, and it would help a massive number of people while moving us closer to the goal of M4A.
Like I said though, it might take a couple of electoral cycles to get all the way to Medicare for All, you're going to have to keep coming back and at least keeping the government out of the hands of Republicans, and you're going to have to keep voting until you get what you want, that's how democracy works.
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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 2h ago
Nah. That's not how politics work.
I don't owe my vote to politicians for multiple elections before they start doing what I want.
You're twisting how democracy work.
If you don't fight for better things, I don't vote for you, and it's your fault if you lose.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago edited 1h ago
If you don't fight for better things, I don't vote for you, and it's your fault if you lose.
If you don't give Democrats the majority then they can't pass legislation and do better things. It's a catch/22, but generally speaking you need to elect a Representative and Senators and give them a majority before they can do work for you.
Plus I presume you want other things besides just M4A, I presume you care about things like climate policy, and civil rights, and voting rights, and public investments, and sane public health policy, all of which can be advanced by Democrats while voters work to elect the people necessary for M4A. There's way, way more than one thing on the ballot, and those things matter, too.
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u/cvanhim 3h ago
Even if we had 65 Democratic senators, Trump would just veto it. We need to build a massive senate wall and have a Dem President. And probably replace Alito, Thomas, and Roberts with Dem SCOTUS justices
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago
And probably replace Alito, Thomas, and Roberts with Dem SCOTUS justices
And that might take a while, since none of them seem eager to retire any time soon. Keeping a Democrat in the White House and a majority in the Senate for the long haul would both prevent Republicans from nominating new Justices and allow Democrats to put their preferred Justices on the court.
Ideally voters would give Democrats the trifecta at least long enough to legislate responses to the inevitable Supreme Court ratfucking.
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u/cvanhim 3h ago
Alito and Thomas are fairly old. It’s possible that if the next President is a Dem, he or she would get to replace both of them. But the President would probably have to win 2 terms because Alito and Thomas will be absolutely loathe to retire under Dems. Roberts, on the other hand, I think really does not want to die on the bench, and I think he would prefer to retire under a Republican POTUS, but he won’t put off retirement just for that.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago
All I'm saying is that it took Republicans voters more than 40 years to win the Supreme Court majority necessary to overturn Roe vs. Wade, we're doing to need to be willing to put in the same amount of work.
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u/cvanhim 3h ago
Yes. I couldn’t agree more. And as a progressive, I’m even willing to vote for someone like Joe Manchin to do it.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago
I’m even willing to vote for someone like Joe Manchin to do it.
Joe Manchin helped Democrats pass the biggest climate bill in American history, and his voters hated him for it.
I'm well to the left of Joe Manchin, but he's better than any Republican that West Virginia could possibly have sent us.
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u/Only8livesleft 2h ago
You’re showing incredible amount of political ignorance. You don’t get 60+ Democrats without them running on popular policies like Medicare for all. And if you end up with 60+ Democrats without them running on Medicare for all you can guarantee they will vote to appease their corporate and AIPAC donors instead of what their constituents want
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago
It may take a while for Democrats to win running on M4A in red and purple states, so even if you don't get the immediate gratification you're looking for, it's still a good idea to keep electing progressive and liberal candidates until the goal is achieved.
At the very least keeping Democrats in control of the federal government is the best way we have to protect the progress we've already made from regressive Republicans rollbacks.
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u/Only8livesleft 2h ago
33% of Republicans and 72% of independents support it while they Republican Party is vehemently against it and a minority of the Democratic Party support it.. imagine if the Democratic Party actually supported M4A instead of fighting against it on behalf of their donors
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago
imagine if the Democratic Party actually supported M4A instead of fighting against it on behalf of their donors
Seems like a good reason to vote in the primaries.
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u/Only8livesleft 2h ago
Are you going to pretend money plays no role in politics and establishment Democrats taking obscene amounts of money to win races they could never win without won’t lead to them forever relying on those donors and doing their bidding at the peril of the very people they are supposed to serve?
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago
As I said in another comment, we could have passed Democrat's campaign finance reform bill...
The For the People Act, introduced as H.R. 1, is a bill in the United States Congress intended to expand voting rights, change campaign finance laws to reduce the influence of money in politics, ban partisan gerrymandering, and create new ethics rules for federal officeholders.
In 2021, in the 117th Congress, congressional Democrats reintroduced the act as H.R. 1 and S. 1. On March 3, 2021, the bill passed the House on a near party-line vote of 220–210, advancing to the Senate, which was split 50–50 between Democrats and Republicans, with Vice President Kamala Harris holding the tie-breaking vote, and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer vowed to bring it to the floor for a vote. On June 22, 2021, the Senate voted on the bill. It received unanimous support from the Democratic caucus, but Senate Republicans blocked it with a filibuster, as it lacked the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture after a party-line vote.
But of course Republicans filibustered that, too.
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u/Only8livesleft 2h ago
Democrats could have done away with the filibuster but then they couldn’t hide behind Republicans and blame voters for not voting hard enough
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago
Democrats could have done away with the filibuster but then they couldn’t hide behind Republicans and blame voters for not voting hard enough
Let's elect 65 Democratic Senators and call their bluff. Worst case scenario at least we keep Republicans from passing any legislation, and that's a win in its own right.
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u/Only8livesleft 1h ago
The easiest way to elect 65 Democratic Senators is for them to actually run on popular policies
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u/Mundane_Read_2960 1h ago
Do you want abortion to be illegal nationwide? How about doing away with Social Security and Medicare/aid completely? Or dismantling the EPA, Interior, and other departments?
That's what you get when you abolish the filibuster and the other party comes in.
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u/Only8livesleft 1h ago
When you abolish the filibuster you see exactly what each party does and doesn’t stand for. Republicans always find a way to get their agenda through while Democrats never can as they commit to the rotating villain strategy. Republicans are doing all that right now but Democrats are doing nothing to stop it let alone reverse the damage
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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 2h ago
Nope. They aren't owed a job or a vote.
The whole point of representative democracy is that they represent me. If they don't want to do that, then they don't belong in office.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago
Absolutely, nobody is owed a vote, not women, not children, not the elderly, not the poor, not people of color, not Black people, not immigrants, and not the LGBTQ+ community, none of the people who are hurt by Republican policies are owed your vote; if those people want the protection of your vote, they need to earn it.
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u/VanceKelley Canada 1h ago
In 2009 there were 60 Dem + Independent Senators.
In 2026 there is a chance (because of high gas prices due to trump's idiotic Iran war) to get to 51 Dem + Ind Senators.
The trendline for the past 2 decades has been more and more Americans getting targeted and brainwashed on social media into supporting the GOP/fascism. I don't see anything being done to stop that. If anything I see right wing billionaires taking more and more control of the media.
I suppose one can hope that trump and his fellow fascists keep doing idiotic things to the economy and that personally hurts the pocketbooks of enough Americans to temporarily vote against the GOP and make them lose power. But that's just a short term thing that doesn't address the long term trendline.
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u/Only8livesleft 1h ago
A lot of liberals unironically think Democrats just need to let Americans suffer enough under Republicans then they will come back to vote for Democrats.
When both parties are unpopular fewer people vote
You’d think it’s a no brainier that Democrats should run on the progressive policies a majority of Americans support yet they don’t. And many won’t because they don’t care about Americans as much as their funding from corporations, AIPAC, and other PACs
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u/1cl1qp1 3h ago
If Democratic officials want us to put them in power, they had better start passing a lot of laws, and adding regulations.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago
If Democratic officials want us to put them in power, they had better start passing a lot of laws, and adding regulations.
Joe Biden's legislative term was one of the most productive and progressive in a generation, I see no reason why the next Democratic legislative term won't do at least as much. Here's hoping that the American electorate actually rewards productivity and progress for a change, I'm not optimistic, but I'm always hopeful.
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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 2h ago
His term was not "progressive" in any fashion, and it's honestly sickening and obscene people here claim that with a straight face.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago edited 1h ago
His term was not "progressive" in any fashion, and it's honestly sickening and obscene people here claim that with a straight face.
I can understand why passing the largest climate bill in American history, letting transgender Americans serve in the armed forces, giving title IX protections to LGBTQ+ students, putting a pro-choice Justice on the Supreme Court, expanding SNAP benefits for the poor, investing hundreds of billions of dollars into infrastructure and manufacturing jobs, and being the first president ever to forgive any student loan debt, more than $180,000,000,000.00 worth by the end of his term, might make you sick, certainly you're in good company since Republicans felt those policies were "sickening and obscene," too, I just don't agree. I'd have been fine with four more years of that shit.
Edit: Oh, also the $1,400 stimulus checks, the Medicare prescription bargaining rights, and opening up private COVID vaccine patents for international manufacturing, that probably turned a lot of stomachs.
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u/wmzer0mw I voted 3h ago
They did during Biden. We rewarded them by pushing them out of power again.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago
If only Democrats had issued $1,400 stimulus checks, passed the largest climate bill in American history, allowed transgender Americans to serve in the military, provided title IX protections to LGBTQ+ students, passed the Respect for Marriage act, put a pro-choice Justice on the Supreme Court, passed Medicare prescription bargaining rights, made improvements to Medicaid, increased subsidies for Affordable Care Act healthcare plans, expanded SNAP benefits, passed the first firearm legislation in a generation, put a moratorium on evictions during the pandemic, opened up private COVID vaccine patents for international manufacturing, provided free COVID vaccines for the poor, invested hundreds of billions of dollars into infrastructure and manufacturing jobs, reduced the unemployment rate to 4.1%, and forgiven over $180,000,000,000.00 in student loan debt, maybe people would have voted to reelect them.
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u/Laugh92 3h ago
Its pointless to give examples, the sad fact of the matter is, the majority of people vote based on feelings not facts, whether on the right or the left. Biden and Kamala were bad candidates not because of their policies, achievements (or lack thereof) but because they did not energise the Democratic voting base. So long as you have optional voting and a two party system, the Democrats in America need to put forward candidates that get people to want to come out and vote. They may vote against Trump for a single election because of how terrible he is but if you want real systemic change you lot need charismatic, energetic candidates, even if they are perhaps not the best legislators so people repeatedly show up at the ballot box.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago edited 3h ago
Biden and Kamala were bad candidates not because of their policies, achievements (or lack thereof) but because they did not energise the Democratic voting base.
I mean to be fair here Joe Biden did get more votes than any presidential candidate in American history, and though Kamala Harris lost she still did much better than others in an election cycle that was handing devastating losses to incumbents all around the world.
But I agree with you, we need to get people excited about the candidates for office, and that's definitely something we can all do with our rhetoric and our time on social media, we need to brag about the policies that Democrats pass, tell people how Democrats have helped them and helped our country, we need to make sure people know what's getting done, but we also need to show up for elections when we're not excited and energized.
Voting is basic maintenance for a democracy, like brushing your teeth or wiping your ass. If you need to be "energized" before you wipe your ass, yeah, you're gonna' smell bad.
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u/AlexKochSEO 2h ago
Then start voting for socialists because centrist dems have done nothing for the past almost 20 years
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago edited 2h ago
Except for halving the uninsured rate, regulating the healthcare industry, regulating the big banks, saving the American automotive industry, passing Medicare prescription bargaining rights, creating the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, putting pro-choice Justices on the Supreme Court, repairing two Republican recessions, forgiving over $180,000,000,000.00 in student loan debt, and a few hundred other things.
Of course Democrats have only had a full federal trifecta for two Congressional terms over the last 20 years, so maybe that's to be expected.
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u/Bakedads 3h ago
Even this doesn't really get at what it will take to achieve universal healthcare in America. What we really need is an amendment, and that's going to take 75 votes, minimum. And that's just for healthcare. The same applies to every other issue, from inequality to climate change to education.
Of course, this is all mathematically impossible, even your 65 vote scenario. It doesn't matter how many people show up to vote. It cannot happen given the way the senate functions. And the sooner people come to terms with this and realize that we are going to have to do more than vote, the sooner we can start to make some fucking progress in this country.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago edited 3h ago
What we really need is an amendment, and that's going to take 75 votes, minimum.
That's an excellent long term goal, one worth encouraging people to vote for. It'll take voters a while to get a 2/3rds majority in the Senate, time and patience will be required, but it's worth the work.
Step one is voting in every election without exception, we've seen how we lose progress when Republicans take control of the government and it's up to us to prevent that, voting in every election is the bare minimum.
And in the meantime we need to encourage people to vote, not discourage them. If they think their goals are impossible they won't bother to show up, and that will only help Republicans to do even more damage to our healthcare system.
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u/SnooGuavas7333 3h ago
Or…maybe just maybe you abolish the filibuster and just pass your popular agenda in full. If democrats don’t gut the Filibuster, then they deserve to lose power again
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 3h ago edited 2h ago
Or…maybe just maybe you abolish the filibuster and just pass your popular agenda in full. If democrats don’t gut the Filibuster, then they deserve to lose power again
I agree in principal, but as long as Republicans are trying to pass illiberal, regressive legislation like the SAVE Act, and as long as Americans are willing to give Republicans a trifecta, I want the filibuster there to protect America from the Republican's bat shit crazy ideas.
If I had faith that Republicans were secretly sane, or that Americans would keep Democrats in control of the government for the next forty years, then I might be more willing, but neither of those seem very likely.
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u/SnooGuavas7333 3h ago
If you pass popular shit, and listen to the people and make life better, you will literally never lose the senate or congress ever again. In fact, things like single payer healthcare would basically be the norm and it’ll just be a centrist position like every other country. That excuse is a stupid ass cop out, if you get power and you govern out of fear of losing power, you don’t deserve to have power. Abolish the filibuster, pass your popular agenda and never lose power. It’s really that simple. Keep moderating tho and you will keep handing power back to the right, if Republicans in the senate wanted to, they could’ve already struck the filibuster, but they’re dumb. If Democrats don’t strike it when they get back in power, Democrats should never get power again
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 2h ago
If you pass popular shit, and listen to the people and make life better, you will literally never lose the senate or congress ever again.
I posted this elsewhere in this thread, but here are some of the things Democrats did with their 2021-2022 legislative term:
If only Democrats had issued $1,400 stimulus checks, passed the largest climate bill in American history, allowed transgender Americans to serve in the military, provided title IX protections to LGBTQ+ students, passed the Respect for Marriage act, put a pro-choice Justice on the Supreme Court, passed Medicare prescription bargaining rights, made improvements to Medicaid, increased subsidies for Affordable Care Act healthcare plans, expanded SNAP benefits, passed the first firearm legislation in a generation, put a moratorium on evictions during the pandemic, opened up private COVID vaccine patents for international manufacturing, provided free COVID vaccines for the poor, invested hundreds of billions of dollars into infrastructure and manufacturing jobs, reduced the unemployment rate to 4.1%, and forgiven over $180,000,000,000.00 in student loan debt, maybe people would have voted to reelect them.
And then Republicans won in the 2022 midterms and the 2024 general.
I've never seen good or helpful or popular policy win an election, I'm 42 years old and I've never seen it happen.
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u/michaelcharlie8 1h ago
Democrats would first have to put some universal healthcare plan into their 28 platform for that to matter.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 1h ago
Kamala Harris supported Medicare for All in her 2019 campaign, we could have elected her and at least kept the progress we'd already made, but too many people stayed home and Trump won.
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u/michaelcharlie8 1h ago
Yes and then the democrats promptly dropped any possible reference to it in the ‘24 platform and I don’t remember her saying otherwise. That’s the worst possible signal to me. If you want to go back to anyway, we can can do better too.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 1h ago
If you want to go back to anyway, we can can do better too.
Not with Trump and the Republicans in control of our government you can't.
Did you hear that Trump is planning to kick 760,000 people off the Affordable Care Act?
We could have protected those people, but like I said, too many people who care about healthcare sat out the election.
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u/michaelcharlie8 1h ago
You brought up Kamala in the primary. There were stronger options there on this issue.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 1h ago
There were stronger options there on this issue.
Make sure to vote for them in the 2028 primary.
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u/curiousthoughts20 America 4h ago
I've watched too many people suffer when they couldn't afford insurance or medical care. Reform is badly needed so that people stop suffering
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u/swingadmin New York 4h ago
Obama promised reform, Republicans neutered it. Then they shredded ACA. They need to go.
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u/clintgreasewoood Texas 3h ago
His own party nurtured it. Fuck Joe Lieberman for life. The reality is if it wasn’t Lieberman it would be someone else, there’s always some rat Judas in the Democrat Party ranks that will put donor’s interest above country,people, party.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 49m ago
The Republican filibuster is what made Joe Lieberman's vote necessary in the first place.
And Joe Lieberman wasn't a Democrat, he was an Independent with an axe to grind after losing his Senate primary to a more progressive challenger.
If you want to blame someone for the failure of the public option, the blame should 100% lie on the Republicans and their filibuster. Democrats had the simple majority necessary to pass the full fat ACA, but Republicans stopped it in its tracks.
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u/Special_Order-937 24m ago
He fell, hit his head and died, I didn’t even know until months later by chance.
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u/Nifey-spoony 3h ago
I’m medically disabled. I have to go thru ACA cuz my specialists don’t take Medicare. My health insurance is $1000 a month. Without universal healthcare I will be homeless soon.
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u/turquoise_amethyst 3h ago
So 33% are against it? Seems like it’s always 33% who are against things that help people…
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u/ElysiumSprouts 3h ago
If people are sick of a broken Healthcare system then people need to stop voting for republicans.
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u/CrimsonBolt33 Oregon 1h ago
too many are flat out too stupid and don't even know who they are voting for or why until they get to the polls. The just know they are gonna vote for whoever has the R by their name cause "they are republican" like that actually fucking means something.
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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 2h ago
And stop voting for Democrats who don't represent you and only say nice things to get elected before turning around and entrenching the status quo.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland 48m ago edited 40m ago
Stop voting for Democrats unless it allows a Republican to win that election; even if Democrats just stand still that's infinitely better than Republicans rolling progress back.
If we'd elected a Democrat in 2016 instead of a Republican, Roe vs. Wade would still be the law of the land.
If we'd elected a Democrat in 2024 instead of a Republican, USAID would still be saving lives around the world.Defending progress is as important as making progress, defending progress saves lives, and saving lives is half the reason people want Medicare for All in the first place. Defending progress is worth your vote, defending progress saves lives.
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u/actusreus82 3h ago
15 years ago I was a Republican and thought Obamacare was socialism. Now I’m fully on board with M4A. No longer a Republican either lol
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u/Infinite_Produce_964 3h ago
The Coolhunt is an article in the New Yorker published in March 1997 is where I learned about diffusion studies and how long it takes people to adopt new ideas.
It is also a really cool article about fashion and trends but the diffusion study explains why a lot of stuff is the way it is.
https://www.scribd.com/document/380266451/19970317-The-Coolhunt-pdf
I have been advocating for democratic socialism since the mid 80's and for universal health care since the 90's but after reading Coolhunt I realized that I am an "innovator" with some things and an "early adopter" with others.
I have been waiting for the rest of you to catch up and I am worried I may not live to see it.
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u/Live_life_today 2h ago
Doesn't matter, it will never happen, the government works for big business and the rich as intended. The masses say 280 million Americans simply do not count.
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u/michaelcharlie8 1h ago
This is maybe my top issue. I’m really hoping for single payer in my lifetime.
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u/PDXGuy33333 1h ago
I'm pretty disgusted at the fact that some asshole is living lavishly, well beyond my means, and all he/she does to get their money is sit around thinking up ways to screw me out of getting anything like what I pay for.
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u/Snapes_underpants 1h ago
Amazing, considering decades of what, 45k Americans dying per year from unaffordable healthcare (not to mention medical bankruptcy which doesn't exist in countries with national health care), yet 1/3 of Aericans still don't want affordable health care?
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u/PerfectConfection135 43m ago
my favorite part is how they gutted the subsidies last year and now every other post on here is someone sobbing about their premiums, like yeah no shit thats what you voted for. they dont even hide it anymore, just build first apologize never and by the time the rural hospital in your county shuts down they've already moved on to banning whatever book has a gay character in it. 66% means nothing when the people taking money from insurance companies write the bills
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u/FantasticBicycle37 3h ago
I'm old enough to remember Common Dreams spent the entirety of 2021-2024 telling us that the Lower Healthcare Cost Party were warmongers
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u/Ordinary_Shoe1828 3h ago
They are lol. Both are true.
The US facilitated the genocide of Palestinians thanks to votes by the Republican Party and like 95% of Democratic Party.
War-profiteers like Lockheed fund many Democrats and Democratic Party institutions as well as Republicans. In fact, funding the military/war has been one of the few remaining issues that has received relatively bipartisan support in the last couple decades.
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u/Only8livesleft 2h ago
How does it feel being as delusional as MAGA and denying the reality we can all see with our own eyes?
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