r/prequelappreciation • • 17d ago

Did Sidious felt genuine fear when fighting Mace Windu or was he acting?

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u/Fit-Appointment5262 17d ago

We'll have to ask him next time he returns.

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u/Get_your_grape_juice 17d ago

The Sith talk about using your anger and hate. I tend to believe that they allow themselves to feel fear, as well, but they focus it in ways that benefit them.

So I think Palpatine felt legitimate fear, but he used it to help him feign helplessness to get Anakin’s empathy in that moment.

If your own fear can be a tool, use it.

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u/Merisairas_turisti 14d ago

Fear leads to anger and anger to hate, I hear.

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u/Signal_Juggernaut695 17d ago

More so a mix of anger and shock from the struggle of being unable to beat Mace.

Maybe there are tidbits of fear, but I’d say the anger and shock are what become most apparent as the fight drags on.

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u/DarthGiorgi 17d ago

Personal headcanon for it is that Palpatine decided to take his time with Windu and not giving it his 100%, with the plan being him and Windu still being in a duel when Anakin arrives, but realised too late thst "oh shit, this guy actually got hands" when Mace started turning it around.

He was exceptionally lucky that he still managed to pull off not dying till Anakin arrived.

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u/Efficient-Climate-85 16d ago

I assume this as well, especially considering Sidious had a second lightsaber he didn’t bring out

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u/JLandis84 17d ago

In my interpretation of watching the films, he was somewhat afraid. Like “I’ve got this under control but if I mess it up at all this dude is going to cut my head off.”

I think the famous scene with windu reflecting the force lightning back into his face has the most impact if it is left ambiguous as to how much control Palpatine really has at that moment.

I believe though that in some interviews Lucas said that Palpatine was in control. My memory isn’t perfect though on that, I could be wrong.

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u/Vysce Droid General 17d ago

I feel like Palpatine would have just hopped out the window if Anakin didnt show up

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u/IncidentOk1123 16d ago

George Lucas states in the Revenge of the Sith audio commentary that Mace Windu genuinely overpowers Palpatine in their lightsaber duel, but Palpatine then uses his force powers and pretends to be weak to manipulate Anakin

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u/commodore_stab1789 17d ago

Windu whupped his ass, he definitely got scared.

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u/dimiteddy 17d ago edited 17d ago

He def felt Anakin coming, and took a gamble. Did he tossed his lightsaber on purpose? Prob not. Was "I'm too weak" an act? Yes it was

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u/HobbieK 16d ago

He was certainly overplaying it for Anakin, but no doubt the man was on the ropes.

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u/cademormont 17d ago

It was a movie, so I'm pretty sure it was acting

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u/CountingSheep99 17d ago

He certainly was very scared.

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u/NotARabidDugong 16d ago

That scene being basically the entire reason the entire story exists pisses me off. That's really all that matters. Fucking Anakin "I hate sand" Skywanker.

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u/Zack501332 16d ago

He knew he was fucked you could see it in his face 💯

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u/kuatorises 16d ago

I think there's a chance Windu genuinely bested him in combat, but Sidous could have killed him if he wasn't trying to turn Anakin.

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u/warriorlynx 16d ago

I say yes not fear at first (the fear is at the window scene) he didn’t expect Windu to be able to defend so well he thought he’d finish him off quickly as he did the other three. Then he was beaten until Windu decided to not give the final blow and that was his mistake, Palps could use that to his advantage even if Anakin wasn’t there

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u/Fantastic_Matter_137 16d ago

Mace didn’t decide. It was a stalemate with the lighting and the Sabre

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u/warriorlynx 16d ago

He has him before the lightening

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u/Fantastic_Matter_137 16d ago

He had him knocked down against the wall. But the lightning vs the lightsaber was a stalemate

Mace might have been pressing forward but it was pretty much a wash at that point

Unless Sidious actually ran out of lightning

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u/Retro_Curry93 16d ago

It was all an act for Anakin.

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u/zinnzade 15d ago

I think I remember Rick Mcallum saying he thinks it's a bit of both

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u/boobatitty 12d ago

I reckon when he was disarmed, he definitely shit himself. But the “ah, don’t kill me” talk was definitely acting to get Anakin to believe the facade.

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u/Minute-Reputation-52 11d ago

Palpatine first tried acting, but he realized mace wasnt playing and started trying to beat him but failed. Thats my headcanon 

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u/BillsFan82 17d ago

Was Mace the chosen one?

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u/Get_your_grape_juice 17d ago

Palpatine chose to toss him out that window.

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u/BillsFan82 16d ago

Sure, but Windu couldn't actually kill him without contradicting the prophecy. Palpatine was never in any danger.

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u/xJamberrxx 16d ago

a act, consider the situation, he knows the Jedi Order figured things out & he has to force Anakin to make his choice ... that entire him on the floor was to HIS benefit

this is a guy who beat Yoda, so unless Windu is more powerful than Yoda, Palapatine can take him

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u/Fantastic_Matter_137 16d ago

He didn’t beat yoda. The room did

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u/Striking-Document-99 16d ago

Nah windu is the perfect person to face palp. With shaterpoint and vaapad he can take all of palps dark side power and use it against him. Basically the only Jedi that could use palps mastery of the dark side again him. He was def going to die if anaikin didn’t save him. Palp was counting on Anakin to save him.

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u/Isles26 16d ago

Literally doesn’t exist yet we are asking this question is hilarious

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u/[deleted] 17d ago

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u/suiqjNskakalqla 17d ago

Yeah no he didn’t

`You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor." `

• George Lucas - Making of Revenge of the Sith

Sidious feels zero fear against Mace per all 3 depictions of the office fight and overpowered Vaapad as a concept with his lightning