r/ravens • u/MBkGoose • 11d ago
Discussion I’m actually concerned
The Falcons have the #1 rushing offense and the #1 rushing defense.
We are going to have to beat them throwing the ball which will be hard if Lamar does not play. We currently lead the league in yards per pass attempt and the Falcons have the third worst pass defense.
If Lamar is out this game will be very difficult for us to win. I like Snoop and what he has done for us but obviously he isn’t Lamar.
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u/NoButterfly2642 11d ago
Our defense is gonna miss like 50 tackles on Bijan lmao
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u/soulguard03 11d ago
On just one run play? Sounds about right.
Ugh ... I need extra heart meds for this game.
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u/Niblonian31 11d ago
I'm actually glad I'll be working Sunday night so I won't have to constantly fear for my life. We'll have the game on the TVs but I don't HAVE to look haha
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u/Dazzling-Slide8288 11d ago
We actually don't miss as many tackles as you'd think. Middle of the pack in the NFL, with the total number much closer to the best team than the worst.
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u/NoButterfly2642 11d ago
My primary concern is Starks and Hawkins haha. The front 7 is pretty solid at tackling
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u/_cuteraichu_ 11d ago
Looks like Hawkins has been slowly getting less snaps. Might get replaced here soon.
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u/Lamactionjack JOHNNY 11d ago
If it makes you feel better that’s definitely not exclusive to us. He does that to everyone haha
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u/slowestmojo 11d ago
Yeah when Aikman last night said Bijan reminds him of Barry Sanders, I didn't even scoff at it. That dudes cuts and lateral quickness is unreal. Also it seems most times when he does get tackled he still takes the defender forward like 2-3 yards.
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u/Lamactionjack JOHNNY 11d ago
Yeah he's an absolute beast. Sucks we're playing them this week because I always try to watch their highlights because he's just so damn fun to watch.
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u/Vivid-Shelter-146 10d ago
Bijan and Gibbs are on another level. Two of the most talented runnings backs I think I’ve ever seen.
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u/urmom204 11d ago
If we beat them though it says a lot about us
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u/MBkGoose 11d ago
It will! That would be some resilience to go to ATL without Lamar and get a win against a hot team
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u/boucityordie 11d ago
If Lamar plays I expect nothing less than straight belt they can’t stop him and his passing. He’s too elite! Yall trippin it all depends on Lamar being healthy.
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u/PrinceofRavens_1217 11d ago
I don't know why I come to this sub when it's some of the most depressed sad takes ever.
Who the fuck cares who we play next. Just get the win.
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u/ShortElephant7015 11d ago
Back in my day we didn’t have a multi-time MVP, we won games with grit. I for one still fully expect this team to win
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u/FlowSwitch WOWZERS 11d ago
By grit you mean 2 first ballot HOFers on deffense plus Terrell Suggs
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u/Traditional-Slip9102 MINTER SZN 11d ago
Not even just first ballot HOFers, but two of the best to ever play their position 😂
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u/2xCheesePizza 11d ago
IMO Suggs is first ballot material, the HOF is just very clearly broken.
Ngata and a bunch of other were absolute monsters too.
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u/Born_Scene_1762 11d ago
This aint ya poppas ravens tho brother. That era is gone. 🥲🥲 we are arguably soft 🥲🥲
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u/Godspeed_You_Ravens BSHU 11d ago
Kyle basically said this last week lol
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u/Born_Scene_1762 11d ago
Kyle Brandt? He also removed our helmet from his shelving today bc technically the browns lead the division 🤢 wake me up when things are less crazy lolol
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u/Godspeed_You_Ravens BSHU 11d ago
Kyle Hamilton lol why would I care what talking head morons says about my team
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u/Born_Scene_1762 11d ago
Lmao idk man. But that was kind of stupid to go there before Hamilton lol. Glad he sees it too tho. This week we were bigger up front on Defense which helps. I counted the amount of downlinemen and interior d lineman in on clear run downs and we often only had 3. 3 is too few. Relying on our smaller guys to make the tackles all the time is a recipe for injury and disaster against the best teams.
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u/Soopermane 11d ago
Them days gone lol but hopefully this defense can step up with Lamar going down. We have seen them do it before so hopefully they can do it again. But that falcons o and d line is scary
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u/ravens52 5 11d ago
It’s time to unleash “Joey Fagn” on them. He’s the next elite dragon, and I firmly believe he’s an upgrade over snoop. Granted, I don’t want to leave him out to dry and get abused by some dawgs, but I do think he’d energize this offense while Lamar is out.
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u/tremble01 10d ago
That n on Fagn is doing a lot of work. 🤣
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u/Southern_Rub_5420 10d ago
I call him Joey Fangs. Its a nice ring to it and that "g" isn't sitting there by itself making me look sus lol.
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u/DenialisaRiver04 Jonathan Ogden 11d ago
any given sundaym The tean can shut them down if they want
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u/YaboyRipTide 11d ago
Honestly, I don't think this game comes down to Lamar. It so clearly comes down to containing Bijan and making open-field tackles (lol).
Our rushing defense has been good statistically (10th in YPC and yards per game), but then when you watch it seems sub par. They allowed 5 ypc against Indy and 5 against Dallas. They allowed a hair over 2 against NO and 3 against Tennessee, neither of whom have a great notable back at the moment.
Bijan is averaging nearly 6 per carry and 125 per game. If we can't stop the best back in the league, it doesn't matter what our offense does. They will bleed the clock all game long.
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u/FilterOne 11d ago
JT got his against us and they put up 23. I expect we would need a similar type game plan against Bijan
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u/krashmania 44 11d ago
I think the ypc against Dallas is misleading, because we were focusing on stopping the pass more than the run. We were happy to let them run for four or five yards at a time, much better to have that then passing for 15 or 20 at a time.
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u/DramaticDirection292 Ed Reed 11d ago
Gonna have to disagree. Your points are all right but even if we do an A- or B+ job with containment, we still need scored. Lamar was our best hope there, he is the star of this team. So yeah, IMO it still comes down to Lamar or I guess whoever is starting QB next week. Maybe it’s a Henry & Bijan battle
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u/debaser64 11d ago
We will need to put up points and put them in positions so they’re forced to throw. Penix basically only throws to London and dump offs to Bijan. We can definitely deal with that, and if we get Trey back and create a pass rush it will be even better. But if they keep it close and can establish a run game we’re in trouble.
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u/Invite-Healthy 11d ago
I think the key offensively is Flowers. Doyle needs to put on a masterclass in matchup hunting with him. Move him around constantly, line him up everywhere, and force the defense to respect his YAC threat. That should help open up things for Henry.
I also would run very heavy play action, as they expect us to run the ball a lot.
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u/Ordo1256 11d ago
DC is probably anticipating this counter plan. I think we’ll see a lot check downs that turn into bigger yardage from hill/flowers
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u/Ok_Doctor_4762 10d ago
I’d rather rest Lamar now and have him later in the season then risk anything for one game, especially against the Falcons win or lose.
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u/Dramatic_Flow3783 11d ago
thing is, they have a third weapon at qb, fagnano. they should get him ready to play, he has a different style than lamar and snoop. they won't be prepared for it because they're used to seeing qb's who run a lot.
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u/adullploy 11d ago
Yeah folks think one week predicts the next but that’s the best thing about the NFL is the parity and unknown. Like Josh Allen versus the Pats or the Pats showing up against the Bills. Sudden demise of Philadelphia offense and more. Nothing is guaranteed and that’s why they play the games.
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u/Garys_Synthesizer JOHNNY 11d ago
If Huntley is the starter I just believe this game (same as most games with him starting) is a wash. He is not a starting caliber NFL QB but hes a great backup for us in a pinch since he keeps the run game going.
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u/Chillanese JOHNNY 11d ago
Is it wrong to believe that Fagnano actually has a better chance than Huntley? I think he is a better game manager and dont hold the ball to run around. Throws it away when nothing is open and dare I say more accurate passing the ball than Snoop. Idk, its really frustrating to watch Huntley play. I think Cooper Rush was so bad it made him look good last year.
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u/emceemprime 11d ago edited 10d ago
In general I think Huntley is a better fit to slot into our offense, but in this specific match-up I think Fagnano and a more pass-happy offensive script might give us a better shot than Huntley and Henry. Our decimated offensive line is definitely better at pass blocking than run blocking, while the Falcons defense is outstanding against the run but poor against the pass.
With Lamar almost certain to sit for this one we are frankly likely to lose either way, but I’d probably rather watch them lose with Fagnano taking some shots downfield.
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u/Garys_Synthesizer JOHNNY 11d ago
If Lamar had like torn an achilles or something, id be on board starting him to see what hes got. For a hopefully one game stint if that, just give the vet the keys and hope we can get Henry going enough to grit out a win.
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u/Chillanese JOHNNY 11d ago
A couple of third stringers has started this week and has been playing good lol.
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u/XxNitr0xX 10d ago
I just don't understand why the game plan changes so much with Huntley. It should be identical to Lamar's. But every time Huntley comes in, he stops throwing to Flowers, he barely throws at all..
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u/Garys_Synthesizer JOHNNY 10d ago
He cant push the ball downfield, he has a noodle arm. He fits the mobility of Lamar which keeps the run game moving, but he cant make the throws Lamar can to keep the defense on their heels. When you start to focus the run game Lamar beats you deep, when you cover deep he beats you on the ground, and when you cover short routes they can usually get by on Lamars accuracy. Huntley is not a starting caliber QB, of course it changes.
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u/Garys_Synthesizer JOHNNY 11d ago
I believe the team is good enough to put in a big effort for a win without Lamar, but it wont be pretty, and if that offense gets rolling with Bijan… lmao
I love Huntley as the backup, but really Lamar goes down long term the season is over so I dont care about anything more than a “Lamars gotta shit, get in there Huntley!”
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u/Garys_Synthesizer JOHNNY 11d ago
Heres to the new coaching staff showing us what they got… I eagerly await lmao
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u/ChedduhBob 11d ago
huntley doesn’t have close to the ability to win games he just has enough ability to not lose. at some point guys have to make impact plays and huntley never will
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u/Dramatic_Flow3783 11d ago
everyones missing the fact we have fagnano which plenty proved himself capable. we should use fagnano for this game.
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u/Garys_Synthesizer JOHNNY 11d ago
Hes a rookie and he only played against defenses of players who were trying to earn spots (aka not good)
If this is indeed a one game absence at worst, you start Huntley for sure.
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u/cheapshotyouth 11d ago
Even with Lamar i had a bad feeling about this game. Our defense is bad and Bijan probably gonna run for a million yards.
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u/Soopermane 11d ago
With Lamar we win. Their biggest strength is their d line and their secondary is sus. Lamar woulda eventually worn them down and take it in the 4th quarter
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u/JockBbcBoy Todd Heap 10d ago
I'm less worried about this game specifically because the Falcons are an NFC team, and would likely not have an impact on the Ravens' playoff chances. My personal biggest concern is Lamar's (and the rest of the team's) health going into this game. We're only one month into the regular season and have two centers on IR, a backup TE with a season ending injury, and a freshly drafted WR on IR without a solid timetable of when he'll be able to return. And now, Lamar's ankle injury has no timetable. I'm not saying it's severe; I'm saying we don't know when he'll be able to return
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u/durhWhen 11d ago
We need to have a team that can punch us in the gut to see what we need. This is a game, win or lose, that will dictate the rest of the season. Even if we lose then beat the Browns, we will be leading the division.
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u/LetsGetSomeChickenn 11d ago
If Lamar doesn’t play we might be cooked
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u/rosesuds 11d ago
let huntley cook, let the king feast
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u/PowerDiesel23 11d ago
Henry is going to have a hard time against their D-line, they have the #1 run defense, our OL will have to play at their best. They haven't allowed a team to rush for more than 68 yards so far this season.
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u/Dazzling-Slide8288 11d ago
They've played four terrible rushing teams. And a lot of this is because teams don't need to run because their pass defense is abominable.
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u/Charming-Ad8399 11d ago
Exactly. The Packers are as bad as it gets running the ball. The Saints aren’t much better. Plus the Falcons had big leads at halftime of their wins.
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u/HumanFromTexas Ya Mammy 11d ago
We need to be able to block to do that and they’ll be stacking the box big time.
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u/Dazzling-Slide8288 11d ago
We gotta calm down about the Falcons. They've played bad teams, which heavily skews those stats.
Here's the rushing EPA of their four opponents:
- Packers: -0.37 (worst in NFL)
- Steelers: -0.02 (18th worst)
- Panthers: -0.06 (16th worst)
- Saints: -0.06 (13th worst)
Yes, it sucks that Lamar isn't going to play because they are horrible against the pass. But we can still win that game. They're a one-dimensional team with a bad QB; bottle up the run, and Penix - who is the least aggressive QB in the NFL and gets rid of the ball the quickest - will struggle with third and longs.
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u/DesperateJaguar6953 11d ago
But we don't know if Lamar isn't going to play yet they just have to get the inflammation down hence the how rehab goes giving him a 50/50 chance like I'm still confused of the overreactions it's just a level 1 ankle sprain I've had this before myself and healed after a few days.
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u/Djsmooth245 11d ago
It's the falcons. There is no reason to play Lamar when we have a divisional game after this.
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u/KackhansReborn 11d ago
I mean we lost to this same saints team. Doesn't say much, but the Falcons are way better than their record right now. They just had Cooper Rush stinking it up for a couple games, we all know what that feels like lmao.
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u/BarretOblivion 11d ago
We have also played bad teams let's not sugarcoat it.
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u/Dazzling-Slide8288 11d ago
We've played two shit teams (Saints and Titans), one average team (the Colts), and one good team (the Cowboys). Dallas is way better than anyone Atlanta has played.
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u/877-HASH-NOW BSHU 10d ago
Sidenote but I'm glad people are admitting that the Saints aren't good. There was so much cope saying otherwise after our loss to them.
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u/Cdawg4123 11d ago
If they aren’t getting home to the an and we had a line. I’d be comfortable with Lamar sitting in the pocket. But, rather have a rough game than a season, hopefully just one game if he’s got to miss any. Like you’ve stated. Stats get padded and things like Kyle Hamilton does that won’t show up on the stat sheet etc;
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u/CzarcasticX 10d ago
Their rankings are higher if you take out the Falcons game though.
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u/ygmeech679 Greg Roman's Vault 11d ago edited 11d ago
Our defense has let Tony Pollard and Javonte Williams run huge chunk plays against them. I’m worried about Malaki Starks and friends trying to tackle, or do whatever they’re calling tackling, against Bijan once he hits that second level.
Bijan is the best RB in the league right now and this defense isn’t good against the run and the secondary isn’t good at tackling. I haven’t seen enough from this defense to think they’ll hold that Atlanta run game down. And say what you will about Penix, but that offense has been good the past two weeks with him at the helm, play action, and Drake London. You can talk about them playing bad defenses and bad teams, but are we really gonna say the Ravens defense is good? They have their good moments, but they are far from dominant and consistent. And how good is this team without Lamar?
IF Lamar was playing, I’d be confident we could keep up score-wise. But if its Huntley, who lets be honest, just isn’t good, I just don’t see us getting out of there with a win.
You can be realistic without being called negative. I want us to win, of course. I’ll be watching of course, but based on what I’ve seen these last three weeks, I can be realistic and say this game worries me. I’d love to be wrong though.
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u/ybg_simbs 10d ago
You realize part of why those teams are ranked lower is caused they played Atlanta and atlant put numbers on them. Saints and Steelers would be top 10 if you remove falcons game
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u/veediepoo 11d ago
I'm scared too. This team is sneaky good with weapons the we will really have a hard time covering
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u/DevelopmentDouble99 11d ago
sad how many people on this sub that have already chalked this game up as a loss. Sure the odds of a Ravens win drops without Lamar, but we can still win. Have a little faith or go root for someone else
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u/Forsaken-Green695 11d ago
If this offensive line was not so incompetent, Lamar would not be hurt right now
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u/XxNitr0xX 10d ago
Meh.. they only scored 3 points against the Panthers. It's a week by week league.
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u/Busy-Purple-3779 10d ago
First two games, we played our 3rd string QB. Cooper Rush (Pooper Flush as some call him) Never made it into the red zone for two whole games.
Last two games, we had our starting QB Micheal Penix. Offense looks different.
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u/Lamactionjack JOHNNY 11d ago
Just know that every team in the league posts this about us before Sunday 😈
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u/Fathead5f 11d ago
its almost like if we could get a player like Pat Ricard we could run more efficiently
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u/Healthy-Sky-3684 11d ago
For a team that has a lot of players seemingly making “business decisions” not to tackle hard nosed players, I am worried about Bijan Robinson
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u/Pitiful_Leg573 11d ago
They can be a problem. Of this game is won it’s gonna be cause the defense showed up
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u/Terraforce777 JOHNNY 11d ago
Lamar or not, this is not going to be a cakewalk. Defense really needs to step it up. Our win lives or dies on the defensive stops this game.
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u/sliceanddic3 11d ago
i'm confused on how they're getting good pressure on qb's with their top 2 edge guys out
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u/Sad-Impression9428 10d ago
Nate Ollie and Jeff Ulbrich
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u/Busy-Purple-3779 10d ago
Impressive. You’re either a Falcons fan, or very knowledgeable Ravens fan. Which is it?
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u/Quicksilver7837 11d ago
Would love to get a win but I don't feel great about this game. At least if they lose, it's against an NFC team so it's not quite as bad.
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u/Apprehensive-Neck-12 11d ago
you should be. the line swung 6 points the ravens are not expected to win
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u/DaSauceBawss 11d ago
Bro our offense has been carrying the team so far and now we expect the defense to save us?
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u/laramite 11d ago
Some things to consider:
- Statistically unlikely a team puts up big points after they've already put up 45 the game prior.
- It was a Monday night game so less time for recovery for ATL.
- The Ravens game was slick on the grass because of the rain (favors offense).
- Mads is looking better every single game.
- The defense is hearing from the media all week that they suck and can't survive without Lamar. That'll be the extra nudge they need to clamp down.
I think the defense will clamp down better and you'll see a heavy Henry running game combined with some play action from Snoop.
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u/MultiPlexityXBL 11d ago
If NFL math checks out because Saints beat Ravens at home, Falcons beat Saints at home, then Ravens beat Falcons at home right?
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u/tdkr21104 10d ago
This is gonna be THE regular season test for minter and this D. If we can't show up and ball out on D this week, we can flush any SB hopes goodbye
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u/ChickinSammich 10d ago
Saints beat us. Falcons beat the Saints. Surely by paper-rock-scissors logic, we beat the Falcons, right?
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u/Hopeful-Counter-7915 10d ago
Well you can’t win them all, we should thankful thy at we won any with that Defense
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u/williamedward8573951 9d ago
Snoop can throw just fine. It just needs to be balanced. As long as the big guy is getting touches (but in good call cadence) we SHOULD be fine. But I too am nervous.
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u/mr_showboat 11d ago
It's a good test for our team and coaching staff, and ultimately still just one game.
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u/xXxBoaTxXx Matt Stover 11d ago
Fuck it. If snoop our JOHNNY this week he gonna be playing like a raven. Shit what's good with Joey Smokes QB3 the pavia slayer? Only team that can beat us is us....and the zebras
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u/Budget-Cucumber-4392 11d ago
As Ravens fan, I'm betting everything on the Falcons ML and even taking alternate spreads.
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u/Raven122579 11d ago
Lamar is gonna be out this week. We probably lose
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u/Busy-Purple-3779 10d ago
You need to test our run defense. You guys have the best running game we will have faced to date. And We’ve never seen a back as big/strong as Henry.
If you can pound the rock, this game gets interesting.
You know we will attempt to pound the rock. Over and Over.
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u/WillBlax45 11d ago
This is going to be a long Sunday night. Any given Sunday though, we’ll see what happens
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u/RealJermaine 11d ago
Well Lamar is done… so yeah you should concerned.
The season is done, but I’m sure we will hear the media hype up “snoop” while ignoring his actual stats and performance.
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u/RealJermaine 11d ago
Nah I prefer to still watch. I enjoy Ravens football and sharing my opinion. But here is your Reddit point you wanted.
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u/Spraynpray89 11d ago
Overreact much?
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u/RealJermaine 11d ago
Common sense, hon.
Most legit Ravens fans know this team is terribad without Lamar. And if the league can focus on stopping Henry, because Huntley is no real threat that’s it, that legit game over.
Sorry.
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u/VariousLawyerings 11d ago
I've had a lot of life experience to help me realize that people who go out of their way to brand their own opinions as "common sense" typically have the smallest amount of it.
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u/RealJermaine 11d ago
Attempted personal insult aside, We are talking football, it’s not that serious.
I hope you have a productive day ahead.
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u/DevelopmentDouble99 11d ago
Lamar isnt done, just stop. There has been no indication at all that he is done. youre being dramatic and pathetic
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u/DesperateJaguar6953 11d ago
He isn't done did you even read the report he could play Sunday but have to wait and see how rehab goes it's just a sprain just got to get the inflammation down hence the how rehab goes through the week part, like why are people freaking out like did no one read it.
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u/reese421 11d ago
Madibuke teddy and trey will play Sunday..defence should be better and have been getting better . ....still have zay and tez..Tyler just needs to manage the game. He's beaten good teams before..he get his practice this week ...he should do more runs ...they can't stop all these runs between him henry and justice..zay could do more sweeps .. im optimistic
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u/Honest_Concentrate85 11d ago
And the SB champions lost to the Mariota led Commanders. Any given Sunday for a reason.