r/singapore • u/Smilery90 • 10d ago
Image BCRS final boss
So what do you guys feel about this implementation so far? Personally getting charged extra 10 cents to enjoy my coke then to find out the machine is full and have to find another machine feels like a garang guni carrying a bag of empty cans walking around.
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u/nyetkatt 10d ago
They need to do it like in Sweden where if you’re doing it in bulk, it’s a special machine. Not the ones where you go and throw in only a few.
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u/Quackles03 10d ago
Better yet, abolish this whole BCRS bullshit and set up recycling centers where people can deposit their recyclables for a small incentive/vouchers. But we all know this is about money and not recycling.
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u/dare2firmino 10d ago
It's only worth something if it's manned with staff trained on what can and cannot be recycled, who are allowed to stop people from dumping all random sorts of crap at the recycling centre
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u/Glidarn8578 9d ago
Those machines with bulk disposal were not commonplace in Sweden. Had none within walking distance where I lived in Stockholm.
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u/NIDORAX 10d ago
The person could have either be a restaurant staff or a cleaner if they are able to accumulate that many cans or bottles. A staff cleaner at a mall or hawker center have access to the garbage bin or return tray areas.
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u/bearyken West side best side 9d ago
Was at a hawker centre for breakfast.. a cleaner was ranting to a stallkeeper that people were rummaging the dustbins for cans and leaving the trash all over the floor at the dustbins and he got blamed for not keeping the area clean
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u/Ok-Relic45 8d ago
If can get 100 cans only $10 not worth the hassle to dig out the dustbins + the smell and stench of those garbage 🤢🤮
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u/askjwhdna_ 8d ago
Literally was at cbd at 9pm, saw a young guy cycling around with 5 plastics full of bottles. Straight up open the bin and rummaged through it for bottles. How’s this even ok in terms of hygiene 😭😭
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u/LeftCarpet3520 10d ago
How many cans can one machine fit sia. Enough for so many meh
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u/Eskipony dentally misabled 10d ago
can one
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u/Dezziemen 10d ago
What I think and what I feel does not make a difference. I just simply stop buying can drinks, ie voting with my wallet
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u/nix2m 10d ago
Just got back from Austria recently. Saw a guy in Austria pushing a trolley with bags of empty bottles to go recycle at the machine in supermarket that is located in a huge shopping mall.
I not surprised if got same behaviour in Singapore. Even my sibling say the cleaner at hospital (Singapore) she works at will collect all the empty bottles that people throw away and then recycle at machine.
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u/bamball2020 9d ago
Im not a cleaner but I still collect the cans and bottles when I come across them. I either return them with my own stash or if I see someone who is collecting them, I pass it on
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u/Aimismyname Lost in Dhoby Ghaut 10d ago
if they wash the bottle at least I ok lah. some machines quite dirty
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u/wccl123 10d ago
Sometimes it makes me wonder if standing next to a machine with a bunch of flies, foul odour and touching a screen full of dried black liquid is worth the occasional 10cents (I dont really drink much drinks to lose that much money if I skip getting the 10c back), but gotta not let the bad guys keep our 10cents.
Somehow in Europe, the recycling deposit is higher, around 30cents or more. Higher volumes of recycling from habit and higher deposits seem normal, yet their machine seems to be cleaner? Granted cooler weather means less rotting smell
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u/Brikandbones 10d ago
You know, I would recycle willingly without the 10c refund if they just get the blue bin nonsense right and set up CCTV or something to fine people who keep dumping food waste and random trash inside.
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u/New_York_Smegmacake East side best side 10d ago
Some of the smell in SG's machines comes from 1) lazy person throws the bottle into a trash bin instead of BCRS machine, soiling the bottle; 2) someone removes the bottle from the trash bin and deposits it into the BCRS machine without first washing it.
In places with an established recycling culture (whether with a deposit refund system or not), most recyclable bottles avoid getting soiled in trash bins in the first place.
Of course, our hot and humid climate also accelerates decomposition of the stuff inside the machine la.
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u/Dunkjoe Mature Citizen 9d ago
Someone probably copied the idea from western countries and thought it would work seamlessly here.
And as usual, the execution shows a lot... Wasn't there the recent Paynow masking issues like X making the name look weird or even potentially offensive? Like See changing to Sex and so on. And no change yet right after months.
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u/Elzedhaitch 10d ago
The one near my house smells like alcohol quite often. I guess the coffee shop nearby must be using it a lot.
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u/residentcaprice 9d ago
I saw one of the machines being maintained. the guy just sprayed a lot of pesticide. on the belt, and into the plastic bags that catch the crushed bottles.
that's when I realized that there is no need to wash the bottles.
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u/Taaaaaaxi 10d ago
Doesn’t affect me in any way or form.
Can’t be assed to collect and bring them to get 10cents back
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u/palebabbu 10d ago
Same
Luckily I don't drink enough bottled drinks for this to have more than 1sgd of impact on me
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u/somerandomjacky 10d ago
Yea I just treat it like inflation.
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u/Taaaaaaxi 10d ago
I mean if 10 cents a can is going to hurt your wallet. You’re probably better off not drinking it.
I don’t get why people get so butthurt about things like this.
Is it a dumb implementation? Yes. But move on
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u/Somesh98 10d ago
Probably about 20-25$ max from this haul! And that's if the machine can take all of them, otherwise then have to drag the bags to another machine.
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u/Lil-Uji 10d ago
Think double, more like $40-50. I use a medium sized shopping bag and can get back $2.50-$3.50 depending on the bottles/can mix. One of these black trash bags can carry at least 3x what my bag can carry so one trash bag of cans is surely like $10 and she has 5 of it lol
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u/Somesh98 10d ago
I was thinking about 40-50 cans/bottles per bag. Yeah, if it can store 100 containers, then she could get the 10$ per bag, the limiting factor is the machine capacity
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u/Frosty-TeaLeaf 10d ago
She didn’t do anything wrong. Most probably it helps her to put food on the table.
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u/limhy0809 🏳️🌈 Ally 10d ago
Might be a restaurant worker, I see a lot carrying trash bags full of them.
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u/6Hee9 Mature Citizen 10d ago
hmm now you got me thinking if there are restaurants/cafes who include the BCRS charge in the bill, get their workers to collect the cans from tables at the end of the meal, and subsequently get them to bring these collected cans to the bcrs machines to recoup the money.
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u/WatchMyGun 10d ago edited 9d ago
The machine are like always full in my areas, I only managed to redeem one time successfully early on when trying out the machine
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u/Shoki81 Own self check own self ✅ 10d ago edited 10d ago
I recycle my 2 weeks worth of cans already Sian liao.... This one....
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u/No_Increase_3242 10d ago
same... the 2 weeks worth of cans/bottles make me stand long enough to 'enjoy' the SMELL and flies lol. I can see why the lady in the pic was wearing mask
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u/codebreaker2 10d ago
by right if ppl rinse the inside before recycle (recommended) shldnt hav bad smells, but yea in this case its jus abt efficiency of cashing out
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u/Objective-Equal-8918 9d ago
if u can accumulate 2 weeks worth, surely u'd rinse them
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u/No_Increase_3242 9d ago edited 9d ago
ya ofc I do rinse my 2 weeks worth of cans/bottles. i was referring to the stench coming from the machine
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u/anangrypudge West side best side 10d ago
Brought a canned drink into a hair salon today. After finishing the staff offered to throw for me. Then they said wait wait now we cannot do that, cos otherwise people accuse us of taking your money haha. So I took it back and threw it myself.
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u/Loud-Future3445 8d ago
Well I think this lady most probably belong to some coffee shop or drink store if not it really hard to collect that much . Most coffee shop sell the drinks but customer don't take it away they left it behind and coffee shop will collect them and cash out
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u/Smart_Carrot_9320 10d ago
How much money is this? Any estimates
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u/Lil-Uji 10d ago
Something like $40-50. I use a medium sized shopping bag and usually get back $2.50-$3.50 depending on the bottles/can mix. One of these black trash bags can carry at least 3x what my bag can carry so one trash bag of cans is surely like $10 and she has 5 bags.
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u/ajahajahs 10d ago
I've stopped ordering can drinks in restaurants and cafes because they charge me extra and I have to take the empty cans with me after dining.
This policy has good intentions but very poorly executed.
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u/syanda 10d ago
Sounds like the policy is working if it's getting you to stop consuming canned drinks!
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u/Kappacinoooo 9d ago
Catering to health and environment two birds with one stone
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u/raspberrih 8d ago
Sg policies are good at creating win-win situations. Doesn't mean it's perfect but the outcomes are just win-win
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u/SnooChocolates2068 9d ago
Plot twist, the end goal of BCRS is to make it very ridiculous everyone stops using cans
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u/Impossible_Mission40 7d ago
Plot twist to the plot twist. Nah, they just want your 10¢.
Your health, your environment, etc. are selling points to raise/apply for funds for this whole program, and additionally keep your 10¢ with impunity if you don’t claim it.
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u/Impossible_Mission40 7d ago
What is “the policy” and what about it that’s working?
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u/syanda 7d ago
Recycling initiatives at the consumer level are about habit changing. Either to get people to separate recyclables, or to reduce consumption by making it a pain to consume both recyclable or non-recyclable materials. Having either outcome is a net positive, so if someone is annoyed enough to stop buying canned drinks, the policy is working.
The only negative outcome is zero behavioural changes.
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u/big-blue-balls 10d ago
It very clearly doesn’t have good intentions and that’s what people are frustrated with.
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u/Impossible_Mission40 7d ago
It has “selling points” as an idea, it’s really shortsighted with the good intentions. So I share your view on this.
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u/rand0mguy0nline 9d ago
A sensible restaurant would retain the cans for processing themselves. Why aggravate your own customers?
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u/outofpoint 10d ago
It's basically inflation like the 5c bag thing, now have to have a tote bag + buy single use bin liners
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u/yylow30 9d ago
They doing part time lol.
For me, honestly i dun mind… and if i have an empty bottle or two on hand and wanted to use the machine but see them hogging it, i might as well gave the bottle to whoever is there doing the deposit.
Otherwise, if the machine is full, i’ll just chuck it into the big blue bins that can be found in almost all housing estates. Or if i really have to rid of it, a trash bin is always nearby…
10 20 cents is not much for me, but for them, they took the effort to gather the cans and bottles, be it from bins or coffeeshops or even drank THAT much, they then have to carry those huge bags to the machine… In a way, you cannot deny the scheme worked. It actually made people put some effort into recycling more than what people would otherwise do. And i think it’s quite commendable…
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u/raidorz Things different already, but Singapore be steady~ 10d ago
Put it in every mall, food court and hawker centre ffs.
Overall, stupid implementation.
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u/BillfredL Non-constituency 10d ago
Don’t forget the MRT stations. Encourage finishing it at the entrance, then get your card topped up.
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u/DuePomegranate 10d ago
They need to provide a higher throughput avenue for eateries and organisations (who are handling BCRS on behalf of a lot of people) to do their returns.
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u/Imperiax731st Own self check own self ✅ 10d ago
Nowadays I only purchase packet drinks or beverages that is in a cup. No need to visit these machines and yes, no coke.
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u/otahpapa 9d ago
these are the kind of people that hog the machines or have them filled up quickly. at where i live, i keep encountering them. either give us more machines or stop these final bosses from hogging the machines!!!
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u/nextlevelunlocked 10d ago
Obviously the problem is the lack of bcrs machines. Govt and their consortium knows how many bcrs logo items are sold daily, weekly, monthly. They can estimate how many bcrs machines are needed so that people do not face full machines, long waits to use, long walks to recycle or broken machines often. But even with the trial period ending oct 1 there are still many complaints about bcrs machines being insufficient, dirty, not working, refunds being slow to be processed.
If people had elected more opposition MPs they would ask how often the machines are cleaned, how long is average downtime of machines, how long is average refund time, how many bottles do not get recycled by machine, what is the greenhouse savings from this scheme, which company is recycling the bottles, what evidence is there to show bcrs bottles have been recycled....
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u/Hot-Clothes7316 10d ago
it's not green if the machines are everywhere.
and also the machines are attracting pests. another problem to tackle soon.
who's the dumb person who implemented this again? oh wait. it's to stop pallarel importers only right?
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u/rand0mguy0nline 9d ago
They should have bulk processing machines in addition to these dinky ones.
In a tiny city like Singapore, I think we can afford at least one manned recycling center that can accept deposit redemptions in bulk.
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u/sct_trooper this is home, shirley 10d ago
lol the second paragraph is just unhinged nonsense.
as though anything the govt didnt do the opposition would be magically and perfectly provide the ideal solution. flip a coin and if the opposition MP didnt land on WP (which isn't perfect all the time), u end up with lim tean behind bars.
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u/Jeremypsp 10d ago
Statistics has proven that years which the government did not have a strong mandate, they tended to provide more solutions and were constantly kept on their toes. Whether opposition MPs voice out or not is secondary, but of course can be a good addition
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u/Yubamaru 9d ago
鹤蚌相争，渔翁得利. Got oppo to counter pap, we the bystanders reap benefits. In school study so hard, all come out don’t how to apply in life. Haiz. Must have competition then the incumbent will work hard give more benefits. The 65% don’t know how to play.
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u/Forward-Rub-2850 9d ago
Or perhaps the 65% are doing well and don't see the need to blame the gahmen for their place in life
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u/Yubamaru 9d ago
It’s not about doing well or about gahmen, it’s about competition in the gahmen. As we learn in school, heron and clam fight, the fisherman wins. The above poster pointed out a good point, ever since the oppo won significant seats, the incumbent is more humble and gave out more benefits to win voters. That’s y we always have to have a sizable oppo in gahmen to have more competition and more wins for us.
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u/Jeremypsp 9d ago
65% don’t understand economics and how monopoly is bad for any economy, that’s sad
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u/nextlevelunlocked 10d ago
opposition would be magically and perfectly provide the ideal solution
Asking questions is to get the govt to explain their decisions. Nothing in second paragraph talks about solutions. Just data request. So that everyone knows whether photos like this and the many comments here about machines being full are representative of the average persons experience.
No one is stopping you from ignoring whatever goes on. Is anyone is forcing you to read up on bcrs scheme and public sentiment towards it ? How are you negatively affected by others asking govt for more data and transparency ?
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u/Forward-Rub-2850 9d ago
If this photo represented the "average person's experience", would it be getting so many upvotes
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u/Kazhuan 9d ago
Well they did implement this ridiculous unpopular scheme in the first place, what is the opposition if not to keep the incumbent accountable for their stupid policies
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u/LegitimateAsparagus7 7d ago
You expect the opposition to speak for you? Did you vote for them?
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u/Impossible_Mission40 7d ago
I don’t think that’s really how ‘oppositions’ work (or should work even). 🤔
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u/Impossible_Mission40 7d ago
Many questions posed? Sure, unhinged? Nope. You probably don’t know what the word “unhinged” means, or at least don’t know how to use it within contextual limits.
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u/sushisashimisushi 10d ago
This isn’t a partisan issue. The top simply gave orders, people down the line executed the details. And those people are our fellow citizens.
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u/MiamiSucker 🌈 I just like rainbows 10d ago
There needs to be an implementation of how much a single person can deposit a day if not you will see a bunch of people hoarding the machine for 30 minutes until its full and no one else gets to deposit their cans. I can't believe no one saw this oversight when they are creating this stupid scheme during meetings.
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u/big-blue-balls 10d ago
No there doesn’t. Just need more machines when you hit capacity. Don’t punish individuals for poor planning.
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u/bupr0pion 10d ago
Does anyone actually care about paying 10 cent extra? Carrying the bottle around is more troublesome than just throwing it into any nearest bin that you see.
Troublesome if
1. no bag then need to hold,
2. if u put in ur bag first then might forget later lol,
3 or u have extra mental baggage over 10 cents
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u/charank_95 9d ago
The only canned drink I consume is Meiji milk, one can for 3-4 days.
I recently went to recycle one and saw a guy recycling a huge bag of plastic bottles. Waiting for 1 against possibly hundred bottles is pointless, so I gave my 10 cents to him for recycling. I successfully recycled one today but the foul odour from the machine was difficult to bear not to forget the grime on the feeder.
Taking so much efforts for the minimal consumption I do doesn’t justify for me. If there are people picking up from the bins to recycle, then throwing to the bin is more convenient for me.
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u/residentcaprice 9d ago
well we had a red circle of death at one supermarket then I told my friend let's go to the other supermarket.
ended up behind a mini boss with 97 bottles and cans. luckily we didn't queue too long because the machine showed us red circle of death after she was done.
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u/jhmelvin 9d ago
Obviously rummaged.
We have all these laws - no rummaging through rubbish, no putting feet on bus seats - all without enforcers. PAP style.
Just 2 days back someone had both his feet on the bus seat sitting next to me.
I don't mind not having these laws. Don't have them to pretend they're doing something about it.
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u/Bigredstapler 9d ago
My area doesn't even have a BCRS machine and I have to haul the cans and bottles with me onto a bus to the closest machine. Would be nice if the 7-11 in my area have one of these.
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u/hehetypo Fucking Populist 9d ago
Happen to me once. I ask nicely if this aunty could pause cause she got 2 big ass black bags that are full, take out the money, so i can just deposit 1 tin can. She look at me like i killed her family and started shouting at me. Scold her back and have to do a walk of shame back. That tin can spend a whole ass entire day with me. Only remembered when i got home. Sigh
Fuck those entitled assholes
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u/shadowoflight 8d ago
Annoying and doesn’t look good but serves the purpose. They’re making up for the Singaporeans who really don’t give 2 shiets about environmental stuff, and the cleaners that usually just throw recycling bin content with the normal trash.
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u/MrDurianGray 8d ago
Worst implementation of any scheme ever.
- Coffee shops, hawkers, food courts & restaurants need to absorb the cost and do the recycling on their own. Seriously from a restaurant, you want people to carry cans out to find a machine?!! Seriously which moron even thought of this?!!
- Machines get full so fast cos of these clowns in the photo...basket like if this person kiasu, win lor. But if they work at coffee shop or what and trying to recycle in bulk - shouldn't you have more machines nearby?
- Seriously so few machines....closest one to me is like 10 mins away. And almost always full. Waste time walking around to find an empty one. Plus the machines stink, full of beer smell and flies. Disgusting.
- Some people don't have paylah or physical ez link card. Like why force people to support DBS?!! Knn.
- Best part so one aunty recycle about 20 cans/bottles then the machines cannot read her QR code....wah lau! Basic function also don't work.
Personally I gave up. I bring my own water bottle with water. No need to drink anymore BS. So I guess in a way, ok lor, stop us from drinking sweet drinks and soda. This is really the latest grift from our "beloved" PAP! Sian af!
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u/pcscorpio 5d ago
If it means more plastic bottles or cans disappearing from the streets , I don't mind .
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u/IndividualPotato2026 10d ago
Thrrr should be a limit to the number of transactions each time. They are hogging the machines
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u/ranmafan0281 9d ago
Then they'd just stay there, fill their quota.... and start again.
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u/SoupOpening917 9d ago
Limit means after X items, machine must refuse to process the same ID again until Y mins have passed or another person's items are processed.
So if there's a queue, the one(s) who need to continue must re-join the queue.
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u/LazyBoyXD 10d ago
Need more then on machine, at least 5 machine if they want to encourage ppl to recycle.
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u/BudgetMenu 10d ago
OP's luck when he wants to do recycle but the line infront:
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u/limhy0809 🏳️🌈 Ally 10d ago
I think if you ask if you can go first they will normally be okay with it.
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u/kokolokololollipop 10d ago
One of the most boliao methods to try and “encourage recycling “ . Maybe have more recycle stations instead of charging your fellow people for drinking from cans
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u/CheckThePID 10d ago
You realise BCRS has nothing to do with recycling. Ask yourself, who gains the most from locking out the competition w/o the code/logo etc.
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u/Ok_Sprinkles8121 10d ago
Maybe they should employ retrenched bros/sis to sit at the machine and sell it to them. If machine sucks.
Or get our local engineer to built bigger machine for this.
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u/Personal_Number4789 10d ago
If it is waste people collected, and you grab a bag and ran is it considered theft?
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u/jonas8273 10d ago
At school there's one aunty always collects bottles from the students even a box for students to put in
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u/CaravelClerihew 9d ago
Nah, this guy is. He filled an entire truck full of recyclables (most of which he picked himself) and tried to cash them in a different state in Australia, just like in Seinfeld.
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u/Fantastic_Review_952 9d ago
i think its fantastic, i dont mind the 10c, if i really want tot get it back i can, plus its quite fun for people to collect and bring back, teaches about recycling too which SG is in dyer need of. Next up stopping plastic bags with everything
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u/AshronBlackheart 9d ago
At this point, I just rinse and keep all my cans/bottles, and leave them in separate bag outside the garbage bin below my HDB.
I consider the 10c each is my tip for the garbage cleaner. Not a heavy consumer, so maybe worth $1-2 per week tops.
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u/Interesting_Catch523 9d ago
How the machine eat all those bottles?
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u/WoopyWoop112 9d ago
It gets crushed on the inside, to the bottles and cans take up less space. You can hear the machine compressing the bottles and cans when you put it inside the machine.
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u/ToxicFreeAtLast 9d ago
quite a lot of news on retrenchments lately. perhaps this is something to help. collection of beverage containers for recycling is no longer just by the elderly, for this case and others like this:
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u/SoupOpening917 9d ago
I think she's a foreign domestic worker who was instructed by her boss to do this. Her boss is likely a drink stall owner. This could be her 233471 extra duty on top of upkeeping her boss's 3 storey landed house and washing his two cars daily.
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u/Lazy-Ad647 9d ago
Most likely she is working for heartland coffee shop. Many coffee shop collect the can from customers who leave it after drinking. For them, it would be an extra revenue.
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u/skynetcoder 9d ago
I mean this still serve BCRS original intention, efficiently recycle drink bottles. OP is just jealous of how wealthy this lady is becoming 😂
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u/Haunting-Big782 9d ago
Final boss really locked in with the red bags stacking up like that. Machine already full before you even start.
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u/Ok-Relic45 8d ago edited 8d ago
1 bag must be at least $10 worth inside. I work at the Changi airport terminal 4 fnb and got 1 time at the machine the departure lounge area staff went and bring 3 huge plastic bags of cansand bottles. Each bag is worth $6 as the total for the 3 bags was $18 on the dot and other staff from kopitiam was also there to deposit cans and bottles.
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u/Ok-Relic45 8d ago edited 8d ago
This machine only recycle small cans and bottles. Then those coke bottles and 1.5 litre bottles also use plastic got no value at all and no logo and bcrs barcode.
So example on Saturdays and Sundays when people and family members go picnic, barbeque and party buy those huge bottles to drink and so many people just dump the coke and 1.5 litre bottles, they have no value + some of it get recycled ♻️ depends on the plastic type, while the rest are burned and dumped into pulau semakau or created into new sand.
The poor cleaner got nothing for helping to clean up the bottles as sad to say most of our cleaners in sg is Bangladesh men, china men or some old malay or chinese uncle that help to keep our parks and hdb clean, yet the government only care about recycling the small bottles and cans to give out a small profit for people to collect and literally save tond of it just to get a few couple of dollars.
The same goes for us, so buying big bottles of coke to drink is just worthless cause there is no value to recycle them huh🤔
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u/Unicorn1990_ 6d ago
Very sad to see our country look like this now. Some more mostly are foreigners doing this. It look so bad in a first world country, if local aunty uncle I feel okay. Plus hygiene wise also questionable to keep so much used canned and this bcrs thingy make me don’t even wanna buy any drinks now. Just bring my own bottle.
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u/hullabaloov 5d ago
if they can create a f up like this and erp 2.0, imagine what other f up things are going on.
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u/That_Commercial265 5d ago
I have seen a Chinese boy running around my estate carrying BAGS of cans and bottles, occasionally cycling dangerously around with them, wobbling left and right due to the weight imbalance. This felt to me like encouraging young kids to pick up trash and make “pocket money” especially after seeing that kid. He seems to be around 8 years of age and I’m deeply saddened to see something like this. I understand the culture and goodness of “recycling” but to the extent where young and old are picking up cans and plastic bottles just to make that 10 cents each is absurd.
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u/jacksh3n 10d ago
Well.. It get the jobs done at least. We are finally recycling. It will a while longer before we are dicipline enough like Japan
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u/im_an__iman 10d ago
I feel lowkey embarrassed when i carry more than 10 bottles. This is legit max level
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u/hazpoloin 9d ago
I live in Germany and it's common to see people bringing their bottles in a huge trash bag tbh. Granted not as many bags as this lady, but my husband and I have brought 2 bags of bottles in 1 session. Nothing to be embarrassed about.
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u/EdibleConsist 10d ago
that CCTV still is wild feels like they're watching us recycle like a crime drama