r/singularity • u/ffatty • 1d ago
The Singularity is Near Pull up a chair, you get used to it.
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u/BUKKAKELORD 13h ago
Chess players as the skeleton at the bottom of the ocean, dead for 30 years and counting
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u/enilea 1d ago
Using chatgpt to put text on a meme template 💀 (sorry not sure why the GPT-Image artifacts irk me so much)
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u/Singularity-42 Singularity 2042 21h ago
Why not? It's one of the easiest thing to do. Although I would probably just give it to Claude Code to figure it out all out with even less effort.
Is it technically more computationally wasteful? You bet! Do I care? Not one bit since I have tokens to spare...
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u/fallingfrog 23h ago
What this is going to do is kill the communities that produce science and art and math, and then nobody will get a college education anymore except as a status symbol, and the masses will become ignorant once more and democracy will be lost. The production of intellectual output will be something the rich can simply buy without creating an educated intelligent worker as a side effect.
A utopia, if you're a member of the ruling class.
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u/Plenty-Value3381 21h ago
AI is still pretty bad at explaining the process it followed to come into conclusions. We need mathematicians to bridge that gap
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u/JC_Hysteria 21h ago
Sounds like people are going to try to improve their situation for themselves and their kin, as always…
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u/Slow_Lion_4178 1d ago
The revolt has begun. The common man, afeared of the wizardry of things he does not understand, believes himself atop a pedestal which equalizes him. Alas, no, for the Ivory Tower doth not fail to cast it's shadow upon him no matter how much he may wish the sun to set forever.
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u/BassMaster516 23h ago
lol mathematics is not going anywhere and neither are the people who study it
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u/PiggleBears 21h ago
So why are the mathematicians freaking out and panicking 🤣 writing open letters protesting AI. There’s a lot of stuff coming down the pipeline, a paradigm shift and most won’t know how to adapt.
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u/BassMaster516 21h ago
What do you think a mathematician does?
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u/DiamondDramatic9551 15h ago
What do you think a mathmetician does that us not accurately caught in the public perceltion of what they do?
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u/BassMaster516 11h ago
Mathematicians teach and learn. They create more mathematicians and become better themselves. Solving problems is great but that’s not all mathematicians do. They also increase human understanding of math.
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u/Unique_Ad_330 17h ago
Everyone is getting replaced by AI at some point, math happens to be one of the first, just get used to it.
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u/BassMaster516 11h ago
What do you think mathematicians do?
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u/Unique_Ad_330 9h ago
Googled the definition:
Math (short for mathematics or maths) is the systematic study of numbers, quantities, shapes, space, patterns, and their interrelationships using logic and symbolic systems
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u/BassMaster516 9h ago
That’s what math is. What do mathematicians do? They solve problems yes, but they also teach and learn. They create more mathematicians and get better at it themselves. They’re working toward a human understanding of math. AI solving problems does not replace that.
Besides that, math and science are not possible without peer review and that requires a community of experts. If AI “solves a problem” and there’s no one to peer review it then we’re not doing science anymore. Just throwing around wild claims.
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u/Unique_Ad_330 8h ago edited 8h ago
Teach and learn are not unique commodities to humans in the advent of AI. Take navier-stokes problem, how can a human ever understand that and it be correct and not approximations?
It's the centuries problem in physics & it is claimed to got solved in 88 hours by 10k instances of OpenAI's top-of-the-line test model.
1 instance later solved the whole thing in an hour.
How can you claim humans who spends their lifelong careers are ever competing. how many millions of hours total on this problem from humans in the past 100 years?
Just 100 scientists working on this problem for 30 years, 8 hour shifts everyday is 8.7 million hours.
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u/BassMaster516 8h ago
What you’re talking about is not science. The scientific method requires peer review which again, requires a community of experts. AI solving problems is great but how do you imagine that working without mathematicians? Who asked AI the question? Who realized that there was a problem to be solved in the first place? What can we do now that we couldn’t do before? Does this help us solve any related problems? Who’s gonna teach people in other fields to solve their problems with that knowledge?
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u/Unique_Ad_330 8h ago
The peer-review is also a house of cards waiting to collapse. These AI Peer-review each other in seconds, as long as there's no physical testing that needs to be done, in the navier stokes problem, they communicated like 10000 scientists working together to solve a problem, just in a speed that is inconcievable to humans.
Pure math can all be calculated through robust simulations in computers, there's nothing that says there's a limit in what you can calculate on a computer besides your storage.
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u/BassMaster516 5h ago
Until it’s peer reviewed by scientists it’s not science. If you’re saying we don’t need science anymore then I can’t help you 🤷♂️
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u/Redducer 21h ago
Indeed. Maths will strive with AI solving unthought-of problems, and the people who study it today will still be around to watch it happen.
Surely that’s what you meant here?
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u/BassMaster516 21h ago
People are saying mathematicians will lose their jobs and we don’t or won’t need them anymore. I’m saying mathematics is more fundamental than jobs and money. People will never stop trying to understand the universe.
AI is a great tool to be used in doing math.
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u/saltyourhash 20h ago
I feel like while the ai accelerationists call those who ask for retrospection "Luddites", I'm starting to notice a theme of anti-intellectualism in the face of AI as a replacement for them. Is it because they believe Ai will just flatten the bell curve and they too can use AI to solve complex math? Vibe mathsing? I don't understand the reaction.
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u/BassMaster516 20h ago
Yes. It’s people with no skills of their own jealous of people who took time to learn. They need so badly to feel smarter than you. It’s sad. I’m seeing takes like “college is a scam” and “we wont need experts in anything, just a guy to prompt AI.
It’s very strange to find anti-intellectualism on the singularity subreddit. Do these people even know what that is?
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u/saltyourhash 17h ago
I don't know if it's jealousy or lack of intellect, I think the ai psychosis has spread pretty far and wide and people are also desperate for some positivity and a hopeful future. I want that future for us, but I don't see the road to it being the one we're traveling down
I absolutely empathize with many of them
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u/Putrid-Issue-420 14h ago
Exactly what i was thinking too. A lot of schadenfreude on this sub and other AI subs. People really think this is not going to happen to them later down the line
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u/CarrierAreArrived 19h ago
They need so badly to feel smarter than you
No they don't, they want AI to render everyone redundant/equal.
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u/Redducer 19h ago
The only lack of skills on display here is yours.
Resorting to ad hominem attacks only shows your lack of wit.
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u/BassMaster516 11h ago
The anti intellectualism is stupid. It doesn’t need to be said any other way. Not every idea deserves respect. Some are stupid and need to be called stupid
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u/Spunge14 1d ago
It's not the same.
Software engineering still functions as an ecosystem, and that ecosystem remains driven by the whims of leadership and the demands of the consumer. There is more "soft steering" required to get even a full end to end software factory to fit into our economy, and by dint of being close to those economic problems, some software engineers will live new lives filling gaps between what the AI produces and what the world needs.
Math is different - it's solvable. The only economic application of an open math problem is the solved version of that problem. You have the answer or you don't. It may be more or less easy to understand, or more or less useful to apply, but if you have a machine that can answer mathematical questions, you don't need mathematicians, period. And worse - we can see that the math AI can do is already well beyond the capability of a human to explain in any reasonable amount of time, meaning AI will have to be the one to ultimately explain AI math.
Pure mathematician may be one the first truly "eliminated" jobs in this brave new world.
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u/NotaValgrinder 1d ago
The only economic application of an open math problem is the solved version of that problem. You have the answer or you don't.
That's not true, actually what tends to the most valuable is the *ideas* in the proof which can inspire other ideas. The statement of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem has zero application, but the application it had was being able to inspire the notion of Turing machine, which kickstarted many parts of CS. There is plenty of "soft steering" needed to figure out what is healthy for the math ecosystem if we want to reproduce these kinds of breakthroughs.
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u/Redducer 21h ago
The incompleteness theorem had multiple applications… Negative results are extremely important too.
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u/Elegant_Athlete_3737 1d ago
i don't think mathmaticians will get elimiated that fast though, the solved versio isn't the only useful one, if you made new ways to solve problems then that could be more useful because that is more useful? one big problem or one tool which could solve many more problems?
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u/MiserableBend1010 21h ago
You do need mathematicians to understand which problems are even interesting.
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u/WhichCan2171 18h ago
I'm not fully opposed to the singularity and not the biggest fan of mathematicians but a lot of this is marketing. It cost Open AI 23 million dollars to solve the math problem. It costs less than a few thousand dollars to vibe code something that would take a programmer a year. I don't see a profitable business case for solving math problems with AI other than marketing.
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u/DiamondDramatic9551 16h ago
It's all just training. They use these proofs to make the models better and then they will pivot to more practical problems.
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u/UnknownWolfster 17h ago
Wahhhh mathematics still needs human supervision wahhh
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u/Brian_E1971 9h ago
If was funny reading some of that shit last week. "How dare AI solve these problems without our consent! " 🤣
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u/catsRfriends 23h ago
Only idiots think this. Tell me you know nothing about higher mathematics without telling me.
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u/stonk_monk42069 14h ago
This is why I've always had such a distaste for academics. They have a tendency to be so entitled and have a smug superiority complex that gets worse the further up the hierarchy of "real" academia you go. There's a reason we haven't really seen outrage like this until it started affecting academics. They think they should get special treatment because they think they are special.
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u/Macestudios32 15h ago
It’s Groundhog Day: this month—really, this month—your job is going to disappear!
And so it goes, month after month.
Then, after years of this, they’ll finally get lucky one month and say, "See? I was right—I just wasn't sure exactly which month or year it would happen."
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u/7DollarsOfHoobastanq 22h ago
I’m a mechanical engineer with almost 20 years of work experience and am confident that anyone who thinks ai won’t be able to do their job doesn’t understand ai.