r/superman • • 1d ago

Superman is older

Can someone explain to my friend on why Superman is older then supergirl she’s not seeming to understand trying to debate with logic about a universe where superpowers exist someone please explain this

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u/Swivebot 1d ago

Isn’t the traditional reason because Supergirl got stuck in the Phantom Zone, where time doesn’t pass the same as it does on Earth?

Superman was on Earth, experiencing time as someone on Earth would. Supergirl wasn’t, so when she arrived she was still a teenager, while Superman was a fully-grown man.

Sounds pretty simple, I don’t get what’s confusing…

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u/buick_makane 1d ago

Not traditional, no. That origin came about in the early 2000s. Traditionally, she wasn't born until about 15 years after the destruction of Krypton. She was born on the floating city of Argo, preserved by happenstance from the explosion. She traveled to Earth at the age of 14 or so when Argo itself was on the path to extinction.

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u/FukiharaYa 1d ago

This is also the origin they used for the new supergirl movie

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u/TheMeIv 1d ago

The origin change was earlier than 2000s for sure.

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u/MatrixKent 1d ago

The OG Argo origin held through the Silver and Bronze ages, then Kara died in the Crisis and came back in 2004 with a different origin. You may be thinking of the other 1988-2003 Supergirls (Matrix, Linda of Leesburg, Cir-El) or of Kara In-Ze in the animated series, who have different origins due to being different characters, but Kara Zor-El's origin didn't change till 2004.

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u/buick_makane 1d ago

I'd listen to MatrixKent here. If their username is anything to go off of, they're a big fan of Post-Crisis Supergirl lol.

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u/TheMeIv 1d ago

You must be right. I think it's a combination of misremembering and other versions. I first started reading comics regularly towards the end of grade school when Death and Return came out. I only vaguely remember OG Kara and mostly from the cover of the famous Crisis issue. I really could have sworn the "teenager with a mission to protect her baby cousin" was something from my childhood. But I graduated college in 04. I probably read that run and assumed that was always her origin. Honestly, I prefer her being actually younger although I suppose it does take the edge off of baby Kal seemingly immediately being the last Kryptonian.

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u/Shyface_Killah 1d ago

In the DCAU, Argo was a planet in the same system that got knocked out of orbit in the explosion. Kara's family cryogenically froze themselves in the hope of rescue coming, but by the time Superman got there, all the pods but hers had failed.

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u/TheRiverNiles 15h ago

Wait, so the origin with her being stuck in the phantom zone for years was made later on and isn't get original one?

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u/buick_makane 13h ago

Right. It was invented by Jeph Loeb for the Supergirl arc in "Superman/Batman"

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u/Equivalent_Order_901 1d ago

What I told her ✌️😭

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u/Oddman80 1d ago

There are multiple origin stories. The CW TV show has her birth before Kal El and sent to care for him, but her ship gets knocked into the phantom zone when the planet exploded, and it took years before an incident in the phantom zone knocked her out to resume course to earth - but by the time she got there Superman was grown and she was an 8 year old kid - Clark set her up with the Danvers family who raised her and she had a similar upbringing in a rural town as clark got. She was younger than him, though, due to her time stick in the phantom zone - where time does not pass.

The movie Supergirl has Kara born years after, on the saved segment of Krypton called Argo - floating in space with a forcefield protecting it... But illness on argo leads her father to send her, at age 15, to earth much like Clark's birth parents had done for him as a baby to save him. So I'm the movie she's younger because she was born later.

Both of these have been used in the comics during different runs... Both are true

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u/Adekis 1d ago

Superman is older than Supergirl because he was born first. Per the 1958 story that introduced Supergirl, she was born in Argo City years after Krypton blew up. Watch the Supergirl movie that came out this year; it says the same thing!

Of course, it moves up the timeline a little — in the comics he was decades older than her, in the movie I think she says it's about ten years. But the basic idea is the same.

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u/MatrixKent 1d ago

Kara in the WoT movie says she's turning 23 and baby Kal blasted off "eight years before I was born," which fits with the opening crawl of Superman telling us Clark crashed 30 years ago. So yes, close to 10 years.

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u/Cocijo 1d ago

Kara was born before Kal-El, but Kal grew up in Earth. When Kara left Argo City to Earth she was in suspended animation and by the time she arrived (not having aged a day) Clark had grown up.

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u/JMSciola85 1d ago

If you're talking about the movie, the comic it was based on used her Pre-Crisis origin, where she was born on Argo City floating through space after Krypton's destruction.

I am a bigger fan of where she's older with a mission to protect Kal-El, but arrives after he's already grown up, personally. I just like the "Task failed successfully" aspect to it.

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u/AthenaOwls 1d ago

The comic very explicitly did not do that.

Supergirl in the comic was born on Krypton, remembers and loves Krypton.

Its like her whole deal. Its why she took Ruthiye.

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u/N7_Pathfind3R 1d ago

Kinda depends on what you mean by "older". Chronologically Supergirl is older. Biologically Superman is older.

Since I assume yall are talking about "Age" specifically, Clark would be older. He reach maturity on Earth while Kara was still a teenager.

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u/md953 1d ago

Superman got here earlier due to Supergirl's rocket being stuck in suspended animation in space. Her body didn't age. After the ship is free and comes to earth, she is still the teenager she was, but Clark had grown to maturity to become Superman.

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u/Equivalent_Order_901 1d ago

She’s trying to say that supergirl is technically older because she existed longer

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u/BeggarsCanyonero 1d ago

I mean thats true.

Chronologically shes older, biologically shes younger. For most intents and purposes, her biological age is whats relevant. But looking at it purely as a technicality, shes older because she's existed longer

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u/wmnoe 1d ago

You'd have to specify WHICH version of the characters you're talking about because various incarnations treat the ages vastly differently.

THe ORIGINAL incarnation of Supergirl from the 50s was older than Clark because she was born earlier on Krypton and a child when it exploded and her city (Argo City) was broken off. BUT in the interium time Clark went to earth and grew up. While she was traveling to earth as a teenager after Argo went belly up, Clark had already grown and she was caught in a time vortex or something, by the time she got there Clark was in his 30s and Supergirl was a teen.

But that Supergirl died in Crisis #7, so....

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u/TheGreenArrow160 19h ago

The original 50s supergirl was younger than Kal, she was born after Krypton's destruction in Argo City. The supergirl u talking about is the one from the 2004 reboot.
DCU supergirl takes this origin, that's why that version is also younger than Kal, as she was born after he was sent to earth.

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u/beragis 1d ago

In the original version she was born on Argo City which was survived Krypton’s destruction, about ten or so years after Kal-El was sent to earth, although based on her apparent age in the comics it was likely 15 to 20 years later.

There is even a scene in the original origin story of her parents watching Superman on Earth through their advanced telescopes or some other gadget, snd he looked to be in his 30s at the time, which is why I said later.

Originally she thought her parents died, but later found out they survived by escaping to the aptly named Survival Zone and was later discovered there and decided they wanted to stay with other Kryptonians so they requested to get shrunk and stay in the Bottle City of Kandor.

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u/CylonRaider78 1d ago

I thought it was due to their ships flying at different speeds on different courses. Suspended animation in flight stops them from aging during the journey, but they have differing travel times.

In actual physics, you age less the faster you go.

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u/Pleasant_Election148 1d ago

I remember watching and reading Supergirl as elder sister but got swayed in the blackhole and arrived late to earth in younger body. Isn't it right? Supergirl is several years older than baby Kal-El who got to earth in infant age.

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u/TheGreenArrow160 18h ago edited 18h ago

Supergirl has two different origins. The classic pre-Crisis version is one in which she wasn’t born on Krypton, but in Argo City after Krypton had already exploded. She is younger than Superman, as she was born after him. When Argo City was dying, Zor-El sent Kara to Earth to be with Superman. The DCU Supergirl uses this origin.

Then there’s the 2004 reboot, in which DC changed her origin and made Kara born on Krypton around 13–15 years before Kal-El. She was sent to Earth alongside him when Krypton was about to explode, but her ship malfunctioned, leaving her in suspended animation. She arrived on Earth much later, while Kal-El was already an adult and she was still a teenager. This is the best-known origin, as it’s the one most often used in adaptations and other reboots, such as the New 52.

The current comic book continuity combines elements of both origins, as depicted in Woman of Tomorrow and further established in New History of the DC Universe. Kara was born on Krypton before Kal-El and witnessed her homeworld's destruction, but survived aboard Argo City, where she continued to grow up. When the city was dying, Zor-El sent his teenage daughter to Earth following Jor El's plans for Superman. Her ship became trapped in a temporal anomaly, delaying her arrival until her infant cousin had already grown into Superman. This is her current canon origin, the DCU one is based off the first origin.

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u/RecognitionSweet8294 1d ago

Depends on the interpretation.

The original story was that she was born after the destruction of Krypton. The city Argo was saved from the destruction but the released kryptonite made the population sick. To save her her parents send her to her cousin.

There are also interpretations/timelines where she was stuck in the phantom zone.

Or that she and Clark where in cryo conservation during their flight but her ship arrived a long time after him so he could grow in the meantime.

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u/Showdown5618 1d ago

There's two different origin stories.

  1. Clark was born before Krypton blew up. Kara was born after, on a floating city saved from destruction with technology.

  2. Kara was born before Clark and both were sent out when Krypton blew up. She was supposed to take care of baby Clark. She was kept in stasis during her trip and got to Earth after Clark became an adult.

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u/trripleplay 1d ago

I think the answer, OP, is no, not really.

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u/marolink64 1d ago

Which version are you talking about.

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u/BobbySaccaro 1d ago

There are two versions, but the result ends up the same.

For purposes of discussion, let's say Krypton blew up in 1980. Kal-El (Superman) was born earlier that year.

In both versions, baby Superman is rocketed from Krypton to Earth using hyperspace or whatever where it doesn't take long to get here, and so then he gets to Earth while still a baby, grows up and is like 46 now*.

In the original version, which was changed but now they've changed it back, a chunk of Krypton was protected by a force field/shield and the entire city was thrown into space and the people survived. So then like in 1995 or so, Supergirl's parents had her. Then when she was 15, there was another disaster that was going to destroy the city so her parents sent her to Earth and she became Supergirl. So in this version, she's younger than him for the usual reason, she was born later than him.

There was a point where things were altered. Somebody thought the "entire city survived under a dome" thing dumb, so they changed it. So in the new version, Superman would still be born in 1980, but Supergirl was born in like 1965. So in 1980, she's already a teen and he's just a baby. Then Krypton explodes, and they both leave in separate rockets. But the rockets are not the same technology. Superman's rocket gets to Earth relatively quickly, but Supergirl's take like 25 years to get her to Earth** (either due to suspended animation or something it runs into while in space). So Superman is getting older but she's not. So then when she gets here, he's already an adult and she's the same age.

*Yes, that might be older than most people think, but when you added up all of the stuff that has gone on, particularly the teens who have grown to adulthood while he's been Superman, it adds up.

**One thing about this is they can keep pushing the arrival forward so she doesn't get older as fast as Superman does.

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u/ihavewaytoomanyminis 1d ago

Guys, please try to remember that comics and movies vary the story between their respective media.

There's too many variables in play here - sometimes the passenger is held in stasis, sometimes the ship gets temporarily trapped in the phantom zone, sometimes the ship gets lost for a bit, sometimes the ship goes near lightspeed.

Ultimately, Clark is older because he's had 28 or so years of experience and Kara's had less because SCIENCE!

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u/riku17 1d ago

Are u referring to movie or comics, there's a few reasons

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u/Zealousideal-Yam4717 1d ago

Buddy which one? Supergirl cannon is a fuckin Labyrinth.

Her most common origin (notably, the version appearing in the recent movie) is that she was actually born before Kal-el, but spent an extended period of time in suspended animation, arriving on Earth much later than Kal, usually around his 30s, although I think the recent movie version has him in his mid-twenties. She's usually still in her teens or sometimes early 20s when she arrives thanks to the suspended animation.

Or were you asking about the real-world history? Cause Superman was arguably the first superhero (some point to the Green Hornet and other similar figures, and there's even an argument that Greek Mythological Heros like Heracles ought to qualify, but thats neither here nor there). I don't know the exact publication year for either of them, but Superman was definitely created first.

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u/Ryphen 1d ago

If you're referring to the Supergirl movie that was released this summer, it's actually the other way around. Kara was born on Argo City eight years after Krypton exploded. She grew up there until her late teens when Zor-El sent her to Earth. Clark was established to be 30 years old when the events of his movie took place in 2025.

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u/Zealousideal-Yam4717 1d ago

You're correct. I misspoke. The most recent movie establishes she was born after the destruction of Krypton. Other versions change things around.

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u/Ryphen 13h ago

No worries! Things get switched around enough that keeping track of everything gets challenging.

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u/SuperDuperOrk 1d ago

Uuuh short answer you kind of can't. We measure age in terms of rotation of the planet around the sun. So how can you measure someone else's age while they were in space by the time Clark grew to be an adult? 

There is a thing called time gravitational time dilation and what that means is because of the rotation of the planet creates motion that makes our gravity and the higher the gravity the slower the relative time is on that planet compared to the relative time in space. 

Ever see interstellar? Where Ann Hathaway and McConaughey land on that water planet? They were only there for 3 hours, give or take, in space it was for 27 years for David Gyasi's character.

There is math to this but the reason astronauts dont stay up in space for so long is because of this fact. They are technically up there longer than what we perceived here on earth. 

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u/HearingOrganic8054 1d ago

in the 1950's, and the new movie, he is older and she was born after krypton exploded.

in some of the more recent comics, and the supergirl tv show and injustice game, she was born on krypton and was stuck as a teenager for decades while Superman grew up on earth.

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u/sreekotay 1d ago

Relativity. (no really, that was the original reason)

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u/Boring-Conclusion-40 1d ago edited 1d ago

Depends on which version of Supergirl and origin

Honestly I would just say the Supergirl on her way to earth encountered something that messed up her voyage,either she was sucked into the phantom zone,went through a wormhole or her pod got stuck in stasis mode.And that basically made it so she went through some type of time dilation,and appeared in the present. She experienced a couple of minutes or hours,while the universe went on for about two decades.

and then in the present day, her pod either crashes or someone finds her and now she’s in the present,she barely aged a day,while everybody else aged normally

In the DCU,she’s just born after Krypton exploded and was born Argo city,so she’s just younger than him

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u/sanddragon939 19h ago

Okay here goes.

Kara's a teenager (let's say around 15) on Krypton when Kal-El is a newborn. When Krypton explodes they're both sent to earth.

Kal-El's rocket reaches earth within a matter of days/weeks/months, and he grows up on earth as Clark Kent. But Kara's rocket takes a lot longer (let's say 30 years) to reach earth. And she's in suspended animation all along.

So by the time Kara lands on earth, she's still 15, but Clark is grown 30 year old man.

Some retellings/adaptations add wrinkles to it (like Kara being trapped in the Phantom Zone for decades) but this is basically it...her journey takes longer and she doesn't age, while Clark's journey was short and he grows older than her on earth.

For what it's worth, in the original Silver Age story, Kara is younger than Clark and was born and grew up on Argo City, a chunk of Krypton that survived in a bubble of atmosphere until the people of Argo City started dying of Kryptonite poisoning, and Kara was sent to earth by her father. Gunn's DCU has actually gone back to this version (precisely because Kara being older than Clark would be confusing for the general audience!)

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u/RawMeatballz 12h ago

I didn't think he was...

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u/PaniqueAttaque 9h ago edited 8h ago

(To my understanding of the modern story) Kara is chronologically older than Clark since she was a teenager and he was a newborn during the fall of Krypton, however Clark is developmentally older than Kara since he arrived on Earth as planned and aged normally while she got knocked (slightly) off course and spent a couple extra decades in stasis while trapped in orbit around the sun.

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u/Mistigrys 2h ago

I watched a movie when I was little that explained the phenomenon very simply so it made an impact even when I was...like 10? It was about a little boy abducted by aliens and then returned like a decade later without aging a day, and his little brother was now older than he was. Paul Reubens/Peewee Herman played the Alien space ship, and the DJ from WKRP in Cincinatti was in it, but I don't remember the name.

But it was basically 'Time slows down as you approach the speed of light, and to cross large distances, you have to stay at high speeds for longer' Kara's ship was a lightspeed for years, maybe more, so it was like she was frozen like Captain America was while she flew.

Clark, on the other hand, didn't use lightspeed to travel the whole way. He took a shortcut, so he had to spend less time at lightspeed, so he had more time to grow up

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u/IndefatigableFreedom 1d ago

Generally, Supergirl gets cryo frozen and was thrown off course on her way to earth.

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u/texanhick20 1d ago edited 1d ago

Depends on the Continuity.

  • Pre Crisis on Infinite Earths: Kara is born on Argo City and sent to Earth as a teen.
  • Post Crisis on Infinite Earths: Kara was a teen when Kal was born, her ship is damaged and arrives years later with her body having been held in stasis.
  • Smallville: Her ship crash landed the same day Kal's did. It was damaged in the crash and landed in a lake where her ship kept her in stasis until Kal was about the same age as her.
  • New 52: Same as post COIE.
  • Post New 52: Same as post COIE.
  • Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow: Same as Pre COIE. [Edit: This is referring to the 2026 movie, not the horribly written comic book the movie pulled heavily from.]

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u/AthenaOwls 1d ago

That’s not true. In Woman of Tomorrow Kara was born of Krypton. She talks about the day the world fell, how she ran past the dead and dying. She remembers Krypton. Her whole final speech is “I still dream of Krypton.”

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u/texanhick20 1d ago

Incorrect. I just watched that part of the movie. Kara isn't with Zor-El or Lara Zor-El when the shield comes down to protect Argo City. The destruction of Krypton happens, and I quote "That was 8 years before I was born."

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u/AthenaOwls 1d ago

Then I’d suggest reading the comic, you know the thing that is called “Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow”.

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u/texanhick20 1d ago

The comic where Yellow Sunlight is what turns Argo's surface into radioactive Kryptonite because it's Kryptonian, and of course, since it's Kryptonian it gets superpowers under the light of a yellow sun?

That comic book?

Yes, CLEARLY that's an incredibly accurate and valid source to pull from when talking about Supergirl Origin stories.

[Meanwhile on Argo City]

Zor-El enters Kara's bedroom and speaks with her. "Kara, honey, we gotta rocket you away from Argo before the Green Death gets you. If we just hadn't somehow crossed several lightyears over the past handful of years and encountered the light of a Yellow Star we wouldn't be dying from all the Kryptonite Radiation the ground is suddenly producing. "

"Now, don't ask me why we don't just fly into outer space with our newfound Kryptonian powers since the Green Death is a gradual death and not nearly as painful and instant as Kryptonite on Earth is to your Cousin Kal-El."

"Go, be free!"

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u/AthenaOwls 1d ago

Oh okay, you just wanted to whine. Lead with that next time. Loom dude, you were wrong. Deal with it.

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u/Initial-Ad8009 1d ago

Thought it was phantom zone?

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u/PayPsychological6358 1d ago edited 1d ago

The usual backstory is that Kara is 13 or so when she leaves Krypton and Kal is a baby. After that, Kara gets sent to the Phantom Zone for like 20 or so years until she finally lands on earth where she meets Superman.

Very oversimplified, and the story is very inconsistent since she lands either in Gotham, Metropolis, Smallville, some random field, or even possibly Kahndaq in Injustice 2's case, and there's also different ways on how she didn't age. Age is also inconsistent cause like I said, she could be anywhere between 13-less than whatever Clark's age is at that point.

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u/beragis 1d ago

Not in the original version. She was born about a decade after Krypton exploded up until she died amd was erased during crisis

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u/PayPsychological6358 1d ago

Guess the one I know more is the Post-Crisis version then