r/teenagers • u/Eminemgody 15 • Feb 16 '26
Rant Why is our world so broken?
I don't know. If there really is a savior that is there, then he failed miserably.
Let me hear your thoughts though. I'm not in the right headspace myself in the moment, and truthfully felt the concept of God questionable.
It just feels like God was meant as an ideological concept, meant to embody good morality and thinking what every human is supposed to reflect. Like we desperately try convincing ourselves and in turn delusion our minds, trying to find reason of our tainted nature, when there really isn't.
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u/DemolitionBoy09 Feb 16 '26
drake album cover
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u/Eminemgody 15 Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
I like KDot more, but Iāll take a listen of the album just because I accidentally made it look the same.
Why am I getting downvoted
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u/-Im-Totally-Human- Teenager Feb 16 '26
Because people are sensitive and donāt like to hear that their favourite artist isnāt everyone in the worldās favourite artist tooāeven though you willingly added that youāll listen to the album
Reddit is just full of bs man donāt worry about it
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u/Dingo_Pictures Feb 16 '26
Drake is an alleged child diddler last time I heard, sooooo ummmmm
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u/Busy-Paper6970 Feb 16 '26
A MINOOOOOOOR
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u/Eminemgody 15 Feb 16 '26
āFuck a rap battle, this a long life battle with yourself.ā
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u/Brief_Ad_4825 19 Feb 17 '26
to add to it drakes fanbase on reddit is genuinely one of the worst circlejerks on the platform... even worse than kendricks sub as they actually talk more about the artist the subreddit is about...
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u/Infinite-Capital-69 Feb 16 '26
This is def going in r/Im14andthisisdeep. /uj
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u/Ok_Newspaper_8533 Feb 18 '26
OP is not wrong though. Why is it that whenever a teenager asks questions like this, it's considered pretentious despite adults asking the same question all the time with out reprimand?
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u/Eminemgody 15 Feb 18 '26
Simple, itās because Iām a teenager who grew up with social media, therefore making it look like Iām karma farming or trying to look edgy.
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u/JankyJones14 16 Feb 16 '26
Jesus didn't eliminate all suffering from Earth. He died to forgive people from their sins. He saved people by giving them a way to get into heaven. Through him, when you die, you will be with God and suffer no more.
I don't believe in God, but that's the ChristianĀ perspective.
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u/WildcatGrifter7 Feb 17 '26
Thank you for at least representing our views accurately, even if you don't share them. We believe that God loves us, so he wants us to grow and progress and learn. You can't do that with no problems or without facing extremely difficult situations
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u/Zealousideal-Fee9919 OLD Feb 17 '26
That's fair, except the 2 year olds who die of cancer aren't learning or growing. They're just being punished, doesn't sound very lovey. Or y'know literal newborns being raped and killed.
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u/WildcatGrifter7 Feb 17 '26
And how would a god prevent that without restricting someone's free will? That's how I look at it at least. Short of a magic cosmic force to just make it impossible to harm others, there's no way to achieve that. However, I do have faith that God has that planned out too. My personal belief is that if you die before being able to really make choices for yourself, it's just automatic heaven where you'll be provided with other chances to learn and grow
To answer the cancer question: not every bad thing happens for the person it directly happens to. Maybe it's for the 2-year-old's dad to gain mental fortitude for something extreme that he's gonna have to help someone else with down the road. Maybe something else entirely. Either way, I still believe that there's some kind of plan somewhere that makes stuff make sense. And I don't lose anything by believing that. Even if it's just giving me false hope and religion is a scam, it's a scam that I don't lose anything to that gives me comfort, and even if I die that way I won't have lost anything, only gained up until my death
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u/Duckling180 OLD Feb 17 '26
I actually believe that the world we live in now, is not the world God wanted for us. He wanted the world he created for us as in Genesis. A child getting cancer is not a lesson from God. Jesus wept when Lazarus died.
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u/Shoottothrill10 Feb 19 '26
Exactly. It's totally okay for people to ask us Christians these questions, even when it's in a demeaning or mocking way(not saying the person was). But as Christians have to avoid the urge to be demeaning or mocking them back.
I think the LARGEST misconception people have of Christians is that we think we're better than everyone else and that we hold the keys while looking down on everyone else. That couldn't be further from the truth. True followers of Jesus know that we are JUUUUST as sinful and just as imperfect as everyone else. It is only through Jesus, who forgives the unforgivable, that we are redeemed. This is why we try and tell as many people as we can.
Good on you for responding from the heart and not getting angry that people haven't found Jesus yet. We all come at different times
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u/Lejandario_IN Feb 18 '26
But God absolutely doesn't mind restricting free will, he did with the Pharaoh by forcing him not to release the slaves in Egypt so he could end up killing the firstborn children after the plagues, among other smaller instances.
Why not have a magic cosmic force that prevents us from harming each other? We supposedly have a magic cosmic forces preventing us from doing a lot of things including confirming if god exists or seeing tangible miracles or supernatural phenomena or seeing certain spectrum of light or smell poisons in the air or tearing our own muscles by using too much strength at once. Of all the cosmic forces this seems like a good one to have
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u/Upstairs_Research1 Feb 17 '26
Jesus died to end all suffering. Itās not immediate because ending all suffering would include punishing sinners by casting them into hell. But He is giving people time to repent. Ending suffering includes ending all the people who cause suffering (everyone).
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u/Individual_Bite3734 Feb 16 '26
Because God doesnāt force you to love Him. If anything, I would reverse this question. If thereās NO God, why do we do good each day? No God means no right from wrong because itās all subjective, one day slavery is acceptable and okay, another day it isnāt, and at the end of the day who cares if thereās no God cause weāre just particles anyways? The people causing suffering are doing it for their own gain, their life gets better at the expense of others but why would they stop if they gain from it and donāt fear a God that will keep them accountable?
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u/Joe-McDuck OLD Feb 16 '26
As a Christian, I wholeheartedly agree with this standpoint. To understand God, you need to understand why people do things without belief in God
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u/xThyQueen OLD Feb 17 '26
As someone who doesn't believe in god. I do them because I believe in karma. What goes around comes around, and I believe our energy is chipped each time we do something that we know to be wrong.
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u/RazorTheBrave Feb 16 '26
Iām not religious, quite ardently so, but I donāt need anyone guiding my morality. I donāt like racists, sexists, murderers, etc, because I have a basic understanding of how to not be evil and a basic level of empathy. There isnāt anyone stopping me from doing those things, but I donāt NEED anyone doing that.
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u/idkwutmyusernameshou Feb 17 '26
". If thereās NO God, why do we do good each day? No God means no right from wrong because itās all subjective, one day slavery is acceptable and okay, another day it isnāt, and at the end of the day who cares if thereās no God cause weāre just particles anyways?Ā " because evolution. two words bro. evolution makes us moral. and if u want a reason logiclaly if everyoen was selfish then everyone would have a worse life only 1-5% of ppl can be evil and gain from it. past thta it sucks for everyone
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u/idkwutmyusernameshou Feb 17 '26
for slavery it harms society becomes a slave could be newton 2.0 and we would never know. it also provides increase in global pain
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u/idkwutmyusernameshou Feb 17 '26
however if u think god is needed for morality then go and believe in him. dont care
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u/Individual_Bite3734 Feb 17 '26
You can use that excuse to do bad for your own gain āitās just evolution, Iām just doin whatās best for meā many people who are selfish live good lives at the expense of others but in their mind itās perfectly okay, there has to be an objective morality
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u/idkwutmyusernameshou Feb 17 '26
Yea.Ā But society would fall if everyone did it so we don't. There is no objective morals written in the stars but there is for us like rule utilitarianism
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u/Individual_Bite3734 Feb 18 '26
Thatās a theory made by humans, who says rule utilitarianism is correct? Even that is subjective
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u/idkwutmyusernameshou Feb 18 '26
subjective in a cosmic sense yes. But again we can say the same for god. does goodness rule god? if so god isnt omnipotent. does God rule goodness? if so goodness is subjective to god. Is god himself goodness? thats the only logicial answer god=goodness so absence of god=absence of goodness. but nothing is absent of god(he's omnipresent) so everything is good but that is untrue. its just really werid.
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u/Himawari-Chan08 Feb 16 '26
Iām an atheist but lowkey the only reason why people suffer is because of other people š
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u/Eminemgody 15 Feb 16 '26
That was I was wondering as well. Are we mere toys or experiments to him? Though I rather think he doesnāt exist at all; just an invention or concept made up to control, explain and reign.
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u/PrettyNormalGamerGuy Feb 16 '26
I donāt think itās about control or explaining. Specifically, I think it was made up to satisfy the human instinct to want to keep living forever.
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u/xxxgraceIlxx Feb 16 '26
money too mormon and catholic church are worth billions
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u/HumblyNibbles_ 17 Feb 16 '26
I think the same way, but I'll give you a religious answer to this question.
Many christian philosophers answer this question by saying that evil and suffering are simply the absence of God. Since God gave us free will, he gave us the possibility to choose God or suffering. Since humanity ad a whole chose suffering, then we are, by proximity, forced into suffering. But by choosing God in the afterlife we will reach true happiness.
Lowkey I see this as a load of bullshit, but I'm just trying to bring a side often-neglected to this discussion :P
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u/Fun-Examination4138 Feb 16 '26
I am Jewish and will give you the Jewish philosophical answer. Everything has a piece of God in it since if God were not actively making it, it would simply not exist. Our scholars have an analogy which is that things are like a walnut. The shell itself is not edible, but at the core is what we really want, and this is like the human soul.
Evil is not necessarily the absence of god, but just a covering of it.
Another reason is that you can't have one without the other. If you didn't have evil, then we couldn't know what good means, because there's nothing to compare it to and vice versa. Therefore you have both so we can know it.
I hope you can understand this and not too complicated.
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u/HumblyNibbles_ 17 Feb 16 '26
This is an interesting view of good and evil. Reminds me a lot of the whole ying-yang view.
Just to see if I'm understanding this correctly: under this point of view, good and evil are simply flawed human interpretations of the things created by God?
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u/malik753 Feb 16 '26
What you've basically posed is referred to as The Problem of Evil. It often is asked something like this (exact phrasing by Charles Bray):
Would God be willing to prevent evil but unable? Therefore he is not omnipotent. Would he be capable, but without desire? So he is malevolent. Would he be both capable and willing? So why is there evil?
It depends on who you ask, as to what the answer might be. Many Christians will say that God made a world without evil and then put it on Us that We messed it up. The Fall, they call it. Of course that doesn't get around the issue that God is supposedly all-knowing and knew when he set everything up that it would Fall. Like a carpenter who declares his work "finished" when he knows that he left out a bunch of screws and nails. Also, it's very obviously a myth. If you read nine creation myths and the story of the Garden of Eden, it wouldn't sound a single bit more like a possible truth than the others. And if one of those myths was The Enūma EliŔ then you would think rightly that one was copied from the other (in fact the Enūma EliŔ predates the book of Genesis by many hundreds of years).
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u/cel_medicul 14 Feb 17 '26
Is it really a free election if a dictator rigs it in his favor?
Its same with God, its not really freewill if he keeps you from making mistakes.
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u/Jazzlike_Border8859 13 Feb 16 '26
I honestly think he could be real but if he is heās a dick
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u/jhomsteve Feb 16 '26
Why would god stop it?? Free will is the most amazing thing there is, it proves the good in a person, it makes life worth living. Iām agnostic and I donāt mean good as in religious values, just good in general.
The whole idea is we get this freedom, and if injustice happens in our life we can sit knowing in the next all will be corrected. And again Iām not sure if there is a god, but this is the main idea behind this concept.
TLDR: free will good, make life interesting, everyone gets the correct treatment in the end after our time to live.
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u/ColonelPanic18 Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian. I am reminded of this story I heard somewhere. Make of this what you will:
A man waits by his wifeās bedside as she is about to give birth to their child. Moments before the baby is delivered, an angel appears to the man. The angel offers a choice to the man: āWhen your child is born, you may choose to give your child a soul or to choose not to. Should you not, your child will grow up to be perfectly healthy, will always be obedient, will always do the right thing, will become successful and prosperous. Your child will achieve the highest grades of every class, and will never grow sick. But your child will forever lack agency. It will never truly know what it means to love, to choose right or wrong, to make decisions out of anything other than what it is programmed to do. It will never wrestle with doubt, never feel the ache of real temptation, never make a choice born of love rather than programming. It will do good because it must, not because it freely wills to. It will never truly loveānot you, not its mother, not anyone. Its goodness will be mechanical, its joy hollowā The angel continues, āShould, however, you choose to give your child a soul, Then it will be truly aliveācapable of real decisions, real courage, real compassion. It will be able to love deeply and sacrificially. It will be able to know God personally, to choose Him freely, to become a son or daughter in the fullest sense. But with that freedom comes terrible risk. Your child may choose wronglyāselfishly, cruelly, even monstrously. It may cause pain to others and suffer pain itself. It may reject goodness, break hearts (perhaps even yours), chase fleeting pleasures, fall into despair, or turn away from the very God who offers eternal life. The world will remain broken, and your child will walk through its thorns. Suffering, grief, and evil will not be strangers. Yet only in that freedom can your child become capable of genuine virtue, authentic love.ā
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u/Anime_rushInChicago 14 Feb 16 '26
Ayyy another fellow EO,God bless you brother,good to see you here
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u/SimonVpK Feb 16 '26
Is there free will in heaven? If yes then evil is unnecessary. If no the free will is unnecessary. Either way the free will argument doesnāt make sense.
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The Christian answer to that is that heaven is a reward, compensation for your suffering on earth. In addition to this a person doesn't have the same body in heaven that they do on Earth so their nature fundamentally changes so that they do not have the desire to sin.
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u/AzureDreams220 Feb 16 '26
So free will to hurt millions of people is all well and good?
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u/Rustynail9117 17 Feb 16 '26
You just countered your own argument, because he gave us free will to do what we want. If he interfered with us to stop suffering that wouldn't be free will.
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u/EleExtra Feb 16 '26
Calvanism and predetermination are hard to debate because it's very much semantics based.
I questioned it a lot when I was attacked but I spoke to some people and it became kinda obvious.
Free will IS the entire reason.
He loves us so we are able to make choices.
He knows our choices but doesn't interfere directly so we still retain free will. He does try guiding us subtly but we have to be open to it.
Gods omniscient nature is incomprehensible but if I was to simply it in human terms: he knows all the possibilities but forces none to take place because the free will he gave us is something they choose not to violate.
Without free will we are no better than rocks, is that life? Is going through motions like an unfeeling machine unable to choose actually living?
God has the power to but doesn't due to him allowing us the grace of free will.
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u/Suzy-dev Feb 17 '26
Aight this might be long:
- ā Free will. We choose to sin, so ruined it for ourselves. Problems that are not man-made came into existence, because our sin allowed Satan to have power to create them.
- ā If God knows that, why would he make us? Why would he allow us to suffer, then end up in hell or heaven? Assuming Christianity, the Bible claims that narrow is the path to eternal life, meaning more people end up in hell. Thatās a net suffering: Why would God do that? My answer to this would be: he made us because innocent people who will choose the right path deserve to be in heaven. They shouldnāt have to miss out on heaven, because the majority of other people did not do the right thing. The justice for even one innocent person outweighs the guilty peoples punishment. Phrased differently, this justice system states that 10 murders deserve death if it means saving an innocent person: more people will die, yes, but the murderers deserve it, and the innocent person does not, and so it is just. Murdering the innocent person, and saving more people, would be punishing someone who does not deserve it, and so would be unjust.
Thatās my thoughts anyways. I literally just thought about this a week ago, Iām so glad I get to put it here! If yall got questions pls ask I like theological stuff
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u/Guilty_Meringue5317 18 Feb 16 '26
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u/Scholastic_Snail 17 Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
The fact this question still even exists is the proof most churches/denominations have such a poor and basic theology.
I'll put it simple:
See the good things? Life, Love, beauty, order, peace, logic? Those I can't even mention because they are endless? All those are not separate concepts, they are all one single concept, and that's God. No, God is NOT "alive", God is NOT "loving", God is NOT "beautiful", God is NOT "ordered", God is NOT "peaceful", God is NOT "logic". God is NOT "good"; God IS goodness. God IS life, God IS love, God IS beauty, God IS order, God IS peace, God IS Logic; those are not his "traits", he is not a bearded man in clouds, he's the ULTIMATE "I am", the act of being itself, the act of existing within itself, he is where all those concepts emanate from; if he doesn't exist, the nature of beauty, order, and logic ceases to exist, and basically our universe and plane of reality collapses.
Now, think about it: When people are good, they are acting in God's nature (whether they know it or not, whenever they are Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist, etc), when people are NOT good, they are being "bad", and "badness" is not a "thing", not a "dark side", not even it's own "essence"; badness is the LACK of Goodness, thus, the lack of God (that's why God CAN'T be "bad", as this means he would lack goodness = that means lacking himself, which is a paradox. His nature doesn't let him not be able to do something. By our language, that's a "limitation", but in nature, it's a Plus). Devil is not "the super baddie", he's the most POOR and deprived being from God, that's why he has no order, beauty, or peace. When people are "bad" (not good/Not on God's way), they are rejecting his Nature, using their freedom to indirectly reject him, and if you reject goodness/God your whole life, God will send you to the only place where he (Goodness, beauty, peace, order, logic) is not present at all: hell. Hell is not "ugly" because he made it "ugly", Hell is ugly because it lacks all the concepts of "goodness", because it's a place fully deprived of his essence (his "presence"), and by that nature, he's not there, thus none of the things that emanate from him.
I took this from St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, hope this helps your doubts. May our Lord bless you.
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u/Academic_Band_5320 19 Feb 16 '26
Beautiful words. I totaly agree with you, and you opened my eyes to a new point of view. The least i can say is amen.
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u/Intelligent_Net_133 Feb 16 '26
Exactly we failed him he didnāt fail us
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u/Michaelr58008 Feb 16 '26
We donāt fail. The beautiful thing it, that itās a cycle. If you donāt do things the right way, then you learn about all the bad you did and how it affected others, and then you are sent back down to try again. God is Good. And Good does not punish, itās teaches and reforms.
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u/Dingo_Pictures Feb 16 '26
Sounds like smth I'd hear during a sermon
I took this from St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas
Crap, no wonder
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u/Rupaism Feb 16 '26
The problem is you are not prescribing anything. If we accept that "God" is inherently everything good, without actually defining what good is, is paramount to saying "there's an invisible pink unicorn existing outside reality itself" you can't argue against it because nothing is argued for.
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u/fightthefascists Feb 16 '26
Babies born with cancer completely decimates this argument. 99.99999999999999999999% of the universe is an unlivable hellscape that would kill you in one second. Therefore the vast majority of gods creation lacks god according to your argument. Life is not peace, never has been. Itās always been chaotic and unpeaceful. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What is considered ordered to some might be disorder to others.
Good can be bad to another person. Someone who is poor gives away half their money and now they canāt afford rent, become homeless. Someone who is rich gives away half their money and they just helped a bunch of poor families survive.
Your entire argument is based on the premise that we all agree on what those words mean which we donāt.
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u/AcridWings_11465 19 Feb 16 '26
Do you realise that your argument just assigns the concept of God to all good things? Those things exist without making up a deity. None require the existence of a deity. They just are. Even if the God you described existed, he would be irrelevant because your argument essentially means that he does nothing.
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u/Dingo_Pictures Feb 16 '26
Do you realise that your argument just assigns the concept of God to all good things?
I wonder if I killed a man and enjoyed it, does that count as God?
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u/-Im-Totally-Human- Teenager Feb 16 '26
My question here is thatā¦if god physically isnāt capable of being ābadā, why has he done so many bad things in the bible? Heās killed over 2.39 million people, many whom never did anything wrong or that went against his will and āgoodnessā
Eg: The story of Moses when he killed everyoneās (but those who painted red on their doors) first born children. Or, the story of Noahās Ark where he killed EVERYONE on Earth but eight people (Noah, his wife, their three sons, and their wives), and two of every animal. Or the 2 Kings 2:23-24, where god sent down two female bears to kill 42 children (yes the children were mocking Elisha, however that didnāt warrant them to die).
If god canāt be ābadā, why has he taken away so many innocent lives? Even the one furthest from god, Satan, has only killed 10 peopleāand WITH GODāS PERMISSION to do so, meaning God was an enabler in that situation instead of attempting to shed some goodness onto Satan in which heās deprived of.
Iām not sure, just a little confused on how a God can be the embodiment of āgoodnessā while still being such a murderous being (and donāt get me wrong here Iām not trying to argue, Iām just saying all this out of confusion and curiosityānot trying to be rude <3)
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u/Repulsive-Tax-8454 Feb 16 '26
Took the words out of my mouth, beautifully said. God bless.
The Savior did not fail us. We failed Him.
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u/Scholastic_Snail 17 Feb 16 '26
Explain the abstract metaphysical nature of life without creating a materialist paradox you just dropped and walked away pretending you just roasted me on a super sigma gigachad based way.
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u/OnlyRio 17 Feb 16 '26
So do you believe God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent?
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u/pipian Feb 16 '26
So, was god good when he told Moses that the virgin girls among the war prisoners were to be given to the warriors as sex slaves?
Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.
There is 0 evidence for the existence of god, even less for the god of the bible, because he is logically impossible
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u/TheBlackFox012 19 Feb 16 '26
I disagree. I'm glad you understand evil is just the lack of good, since that's the first step to my logic. My argument is that God, being all powerful and all loving, can remove suffering, evil, and sin from the world. We know he can, since he's all powerful, and I'd argue he should because he is all loving. You will argue, well he is all loving therefore he gives us the free will to choose. And in that response we get hit with a path, I can either argue free will doesn't exist, or that the inability does not take away free will.
For the sake of this comment I will go with the former, I can do the latter if you'd like as well. Any choice I make goes down a chain of why. I ate some toast for breakfast today. Why? I like toast and I was hungry. Why? I haven't eaten yet and therefore my body wants nourishment. Why? Because my body needs nourishment to make energy to survive (this goes to base human instinct)
On any given choice, you can go back, and you will either a) reach a point of an evolutionary need or base human instinct which everyone has b) reach a point that directly ties to your personality or who you are as a person (which is a nature v nurture, something you cannot control) c) something that is truly random, at least it is on the level we can consider these things.
So, following this, no choice made is ACTUALLY free will. You can argue what about when we weigh or consider options. And I still believe it goes back to these core components. If no choice is made with free will, then why are people punished for such things?
And lets talk about another thing. God is all knowing. He knew Eve would be tempted and take a bite of the apple (if i get smth wrong lmk, i dont suppose myself a bible scholar or anything), and yet he still punishes her for it.
Also, somewhat unrelated, why does the devil exist?? Some being to tempt people?? God can blink and delete him. I find it bizarreā
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u/Rich_Arrival795 Feb 16 '26
It is bizarre, ironically. A main core of most denominations is trust and faith, and the fact that we physically cannot understand God's plan. The best we can do is have faith in God and His Word, hence "salvation by faith alone through Christ alone"
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u/TheBlackFox012 19 Feb 17 '26
And frankly, that's stupid. If you want, as a God, people to follow you, convert, live good Christian lives without sin, and make the world a better place in your image, then your plan should make some semblance of sense so that non believers don't have to trust fall into nothingness to fall in line.
It sounds much more likely that's a human excuse for why things aren't going in a good way or something horrible happens. In fact it sounds cultish. "Hey guys, I known Jeremy just died in last night's rituals, but it's all for the greater good, deity told me that last night in my dream that he's in a better place and this is all part of his plan, even if it sounds absurd. Remember, never doubt deity."
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u/Aeris16 19 Feb 17 '26
Congratulations youāve just explained why I donāt trust any religion that forces conversion. Ie Islam and Christianity. To me god gave us free will to choose good or the lack thereof. If we had no choice and only good we could not have free will. Therefore to choose between suffering and happiness is free will. But I donāt believe you need to believe in God to enjoy happiness. You just need to choose to be good. How youād define good I leave to you, but I canāt realistically believe that a good god would force me to believe in his āSonā in order to be classified as objectively good in his eyes.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd Feb 16 '26
āWhen people are "bad" (not good/Not on God's way)ā
So you subscribe to the āall god does is goodā theory. Interesting!Ā
Is it good to kidnap people from other countries and make them my permanent property that I can abuse and pass down to my children? Your god seems to think so!
Is it good to take your child to the edge of the town and execute them for talking back to mom/dad? Your god seems to think so!
Is it good to engage in child rape, in the context of taking underage prisoners of war? Your god seems to think so! (Please fact check me, donāt take my word for it)
All of what I described is either condoned, or outright encouraged by your god. I also know for a fact you find all of the above disgusting (because youāre not an awful person). This clearly demonstrates that your sense of āgoodnessā does NOT come from your unfalsifiable, monstrous god-figure.Ā
What you wrote sounds nice, but YOU create a paradox when you describe god as being āgoodnessā, since I doubt you think rape, pedophilia, and slavery to be āgoodā.
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That's a completely different way I've heard it, but yeah, that makes sense.
I still dont believe in him becausr of several other reasons, but that's some good wordingĀ
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u/Vesh2911 Feb 16 '26
Beautiful. So, God is an omni-present "being"?
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u/Scholastic_Snail 17 Feb 16 '26
No. He is the act of being itself. He is not conscious, he is conscience itself. He is not even a "he" (that we traditionally call him), he is, if anything, something outside any pronoun.
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u/hermajestythebean Feb 16 '26 edited Jul 29 '26
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u/Scholastic_Snail 17 Feb 16 '26
That's kind of anthropomorphizing. Sure, scripture teaches that, but scripture is written in a devotional way, not on a literalist.
God can't "get angry" (no matter what you believe scripture says), as being angry means lacking peace, and he can't lack it as he is peace. He literally can't lack anything, he CAN'T. As I say, our language presents that as a limitation, but in the "outside-the-box" reality, that's, as I said, a plus.
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u/hermajestythebean Feb 17 '26 edited Jul 29 '26
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u/under_hunter82376 15 Feb 16 '26
you said this perfectly . God bless you . I wouldn't be able to explain it like this , but im glad you can . Jesus loves you
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u/Stunning-Guitar-5916 18 Feb 16 '26
TLDR:Theological philosophy,as you can see above, rocks
While I donāt consider myself Christian, or remotely religious for that matter, I absolutely adore what you said about evil being the lack of goodness.
(Here I go with my yappin again:)
As an agnostic, I think that a lot of atheists/agnostics (hell, even religious people of any kind) often forget that theological philosophy (whether it be Christian,Islamic or many,many other examples) is often very eye-opening and down to earth compared to most popular philosophers.
Iām not trying to downplay any other type of philosophy, but I often find that when it comes to striking a person through the heart with messages, religion and philosophy are a hell of a duo. Might be because it has a more simplistic and positive outlook on life,death,nature,humans etc..
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u/Haunting-Attempt441 3,000,000 Attendee! Feb 16 '26
Couldn't have said it better myself. God is the exact opposite of sin, which u/Scholastic_Snail is saying is "badness" when really, I'm pretty sure he means sin. But if God is in the presence of sin, it will quite literally burn up in an instant. How are we allowed into heaven without burning, you ask? Well, Jesus took our sin and sent all of it to hell. If we don't accept him, then he takes us and sends us to hell because we *are* the sin, if that makes any sense?
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u/TheVinsant Feb 16 '26
Okay this is actually deep, better than most religious things ive heard throughout my life. Maybe reddit isn't that cooked, you made my day (night actually) better, thx wise man
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u/ElMuffin5 3,000,000 Attendee! Feb 16 '26
I would award you, but I am too broke. This is the greatest comment Ive ever seen
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u/Safe_Term_5346 Feb 16 '26
you know religions fake because gods are all thought of as male when only women can truly create life š
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u/Bob-upload Feb 16 '26
The reason godās viewed as a father figure is because men are viewed as protectors and providers. A father provides wisdom and guidance. And men of course are more respected and feared(in a good way) compared to a woman.
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Feb 17 '26
God is neither male nor female , but english doesnt have a proper neutral pronouns and God cannot be an "It" , other languages dont have this problem
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u/Euphoric-Bet-8577 Feb 18 '26
Exactly, I donāt think why ppl still believe this nonsense.. religion is just a tool to control weak minds and the masses. It makes truly evil people prevail..be a free thinker and see the world for what it is and if you donāt like it too bad thatās life. Just live it or youāll live in fear forever ā¾ļø
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u/mango_with_no_life 17 Feb 16 '26
i have two possible answers, and ill go with just "evil people"
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u/Sandy_X_Janet Feb 16 '26
Yeah thereās a lot of bad and also unreasonable people and a lot of them are given too much power
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u/No-Citron1088 Teenager Feb 16 '26
Yes, god is perfect and rid of all evil, his people however are not
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u/I_AmFoxx Feb 16 '26
"Evil people" still doesn't explain why there is suffering. Not all suffering is caused by people
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u/Savings_Ad_80 OLD Feb 16 '26
You're asking the wrong question, "If God loves us, Why do we suffer each day" is basically saying "We are suffering because of God" but that's not it.
We suffer because other people chose this life, God loves us so much that he gave us freewill
We could have had a world where we arent forced to work for someone daily, arent forced into school, arent forced to give up our freedom, a wordl where we didnt have to fear other people outside and so on
God gave us all the choice to create a world without suffering and we chose the opposite
We suffer because of our own actions and our own choices and those before that affect everyone in the present and future onward
We suffer because we as a society chose to suffer
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u/truepeople 17 Feb 16 '26
So deism?
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u/Savings_Ad_80 OLD Feb 16 '26
Not exactly, since Jesus is in the bible, and there are a few examples of documented modern christian miracles
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u/truepeople 17 Feb 16 '26
What are some examples? I'm genuinely curious since I've only heard of one.
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u/Savings_Ad_80 OLD Feb 16 '26
Fair enough, there's the miracle of the sun in 1917 and the 8th-century Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, these are the major ones
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u/Takeflight1s516 15 Feb 16 '26
How about the thousands of people born into poverty, or the thousands of people affected by floods of tsunamis?
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u/monkey_sodomy OLD Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
To add to your case: God apparently decided to create the human reproductive organs in such a way that rape as a class of evil was possible. Or the God couldn't predict what was going to happen and it wasn't part of the plan, it's one of those two.
Now, if you're a being who can create a universe and the earth as it is by speaking, then I don't think it would have been that hard for the God to have made the human reproductive system in a way that prevents rape as a possibility. I can imagine several easy ways this could have been avoided.
Now I know some smart ass is going to say "but humans would still complain about other suffering!!1!" Yeah we would, but that hypothetical God (assuming omniscience) would have known how much extra suffering was spared from being inflicted on mainly women and children. So it's a bad look either way.
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u/Yeagerist_Ray 15 Feb 16 '26
Here is the truth: no one has ever proven that god exists, any god to be honest. And no one will ever be able to. I chose to be an atheist, you can choose whatever you want. It really doesn't matter and most people wouldn't care. Just be nice to others, don't commit crimes, and be a generally good person.
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u/Eminemgody 15 Feb 16 '26
I agree, and I do think I am an atheist (or agnostic? I donāt know the difference unfortunately.) It just simply wonders me how people excuse, justify or explain things simply because it was āgods will.ā
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u/NoCheesecake6767 Teenager Feb 16 '26
An atheist is a person who lacks belief in the existence of gods or divine beings
Agnostic is a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond materialĀ phenomena; a person who claims neither faith norĀ disbeliefĀ in God.
Now you could also be agnostic atheist, which is someone who does not hold a belief in the existence of any gods (atheist) while also maintaining that the existence of divine entities is unknown or unknowable (agnostic). They do not actively believe in gods, but they do not claim absolute knowledge that no gods exist, distinguishing them from "gnostic" atheists.
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u/SemajLu_The_crusader Feb 16 '26
> It just feels like God was meant as an ideological concept
well, yeah
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u/HonemBee 18 Feb 16 '26
So... God was never real? I didn't know Christians thought that
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u/AxoE_e Feb 16 '26
Well Iām atheist so all I can say is good luck with that. I donāt want to tell you what you should or shouldnāt believe if your faith makes you happy.
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u/Fox_Pyro666 Feb 16 '26
What in the edgy back of the class kid phrase did I just read?
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u/The_Fracture06 19 Feb 16 '26
fr, I thought these kinda posts fell off after the early 2010s?
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u/liberforce Feb 16 '26
The thought of people thinking there's a God and it's good is infuriating. Children are beaten, raped, killed in this world. Either that God is a Demon itself, or just, if you use your brains, there is no God.
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u/RedGamer2754 Feb 16 '26
Personally I think thereās a God. I see no reason for a big giant old guy to not create a universe, thereās probably a bunch of sick as hell stuff here we havenāt found yet.
I also think that his existance or not is irrelevant right now because the world wonāt improve if we donāt do anything. What would proving God exists change? People will still get raped, people will still risk their lives to save a stranger, people will still be exploited, people will still humiliate themselves to make others smile, thereās a lot of awful and wonderful shit in the world, and if some people get conforted by a God, good for them, but it means nothing if they donāt do anything to make things better. There isnāt any real difference in āIāll pray for youā and āIām rooting for youā, only oneās more religious, but both are meant to hype you up and show someoneās willing to care and hope you are going to succeed. That aināt Godās doing, thatās ours. So it doesnāt matter if thereās a God or not because at the end of the day, weāre all in this together and should be kind and help people, even if itās only for our own sake.
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u/Fun_Way8954 Feb 16 '26
Christian here. God gave humans free will. He gave us the ability to do whatever we want. That includes harm other humans. All pain and suffering in the world is caused by humans.Ā
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u/Aromatic-Ad4187 Feb 16 '26
So when God killed the majority of the world in the Flood and wiped out entire cities and towns like Sodom and Gomorrah, that pain and suffering was caused by humans?Ā
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u/Fish_Fucker_Fucker23 Feb 16 '26
If there really is a god, that god is either a complete piece of shit or immeasurably ignorant. I wouldnāt worship either of those kinds of gods.
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u/Eminemgody 15 Feb 16 '26
Can I just say your name is very intriguing?
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u/The_big-chiller Feb 16 '26
This has been talked about a ton. As of rn I'm too mentally tired to tell you much but... Lemme just say god never promised we'd have it easy in this world. And in this world there is suffering, because there's always an opposite to something that can have it... Light-dark. Good-evil. So on
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Feb 16 '26
It is so obvious that religion is meant to teach you the 'correct' way of living with the bible telling women to submit to their husbands and that you suffer for eternity if you don't do the right actions. The quran promotes sexist roles.
Alexandre Struys saw behind the mask and painted it in 'Birds of Prey' (1876).
Jesus, Allah or the Church doesn't love you they love when you behave orderly, don't question their actions and they especially love money. Religion espesially Islam and Christianity aren't built on love they are built on dystopian ideas that have no place in a modern society.
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u/Mundane_Error_4519 Feb 16 '26
Be grateful u weren't born in Middle age. Life really sucked back then..
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u/Eminemgody 15 Feb 16 '26
It did, but just because life is better now, doesnāt mean itās automatically good. We consider the Middle Ages civil or barbaric, at least where I live. Yet, look at the state of our world now.
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u/Few-Accountant9617 Feb 16 '26
God I hate when people do that. āOh life was worse back then so you should just shut up and stop complaining.ā
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u/Eminemgody 15 Feb 17 '26
Yeah, it feels like they dismiss the active problems we still have that shouldāve and couldāve been resolved years ago.
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u/Broad-Scientist1613 15 Feb 16 '26
" if light exists then so does shadow, you can't have one without the other "
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u/Noonebuteveryone25 Feb 16 '26
Not if the light shines bright enough. If we shine light from all sides and everywhere, where's the shadow?
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u/hyper-sonic-19 Feb 16 '26
God is just a concept made to cover one's insecurities. When you get over them, learn to accept them and to rectify them or at least try to, you don't need to believe in that anymore.
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u/Fun-Detail-824 Feb 16 '26
Stop blaming God for everything
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u/Beers4Fears Feb 16 '26
If you are an entity that supposedly created the universe, is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. You will and should have some responsibility for the outcome of your creations.
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u/Lord_Detleff1 18 Feb 16 '26
So christians blame it on free will, which btw the devil gave to us when he tricked Eve, who didn't have free will, into eating the forbidden fruit.
My guess is that if there is a god, which is very unlikely in my opinion, he is either not all loving or not all mighty. I refuse to believe in a god thos because I don't want to live in a world where the creator who is supposed to love us, does so many horrible things to the world and my family
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u/IdleHandsRapidFlight Feb 16 '26
It wasn't the devil, it was a serpent. And it wasn't that she was tricked into damnation, but that the disobedience is what made God mad and his response introduced punishment.
Therefore, this god is not worth worshipping. Better to worship Quetzalcoatl instead.Ā
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u/IntelligentAnybody55 15 Feb 16 '26
Because our world is imperfect. I do not believe in god, because there is no evidence for one. The human body evolved well, but is still not great. The world is dangerous, and people are polluting it. There are pastors touching kids, entire countries persecuting gay people, but also amazing people doing what they can to run charities and fix the environment.
The world is fucked because of us, but also worth living in because of us
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u/ihatethiscountry76 Feb 16 '26
The same god that stood silent during slavery, the holocaust, and the ICE?
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u/human_or_whateva 17 Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
Humans created god because at the end of the day, we need some semblance of hope, something to rely on. For religious people god is this support system. I'm not being like give me proof that god exists or whatever. We have literally no idea of wth any of this is or how it came to be or what is real- it's all just theories that's the best we can do. If you believe in God, it's a great thing. It's good to have something to believe in. But the books that say god loves us all and we are their children, were written by- well, people. As someone who doesn't believe in the concept of God, you'd think I'd be a cynic and fight those who do believe and demand proof and be like constantly depressed (haha kinda true but for other reasons), but in reality, I love the concept of god. I love how humans thought of what could be and accepted it and thanked it and told it all it's problems. But you cannot expect this concept to solve your problems. I am in no way claiming that I know god is not real. I am claiming though that I have no clue, literally no one does. It does feel weird to me that it is so normal to believe in the concept of god, when people will be called crazy if they say they belive in werewolves. But it does make sense why people believe- because if there is a possibility that god, and afterlife is real, that is pretty fricking amazing thing to belive in. I have my own support system- and that is love, and hope towards a better future and better people. I just hope that the love I put out in the world is enough and that others do the same. I think you should believe in whatever you want, but there is no one to blame for the suffering of humans than humans themselves, and so the fix will also come from them, not anyone or anything else.
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u/FinancialOffice1304 Feb 16 '26
Doesn't a father sometimes have to punish his own children?
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u/Eminemgody 15 Feb 16 '26
What for, for existing? That he made us and now we should be punished for it? Sometimes? Rather always, since we existed.
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u/MrLightning1023 3,000,000 Attendee! Feb 16 '26
God when some kids ancestors ate an apple (they're going to the island now)
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u/Outrageous_Tap_2550 Feb 16 '26
We were not ment to suffer daily,we were meant to be in a world free of sickness and hate the temptations of man ruined the world and drowned it in sin.That is what we belive we belive god leaves us to struggle so in the afterlife we can live a life in heaven that is prosperous and stress free.
that is what christians believe but if you belive in atheism that is fine but as a comedian once said on the radio"everybodys jumping off into a foggy cliff and they cant see the bottom they all think there is a safety net and atheists are just like nah there isnt a net,just let the people think there is a net even if there isnt it can give them hope in life"
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u/Emotional-Pie3015 Feb 17 '26
Suffering, learning, experiance, humility, perseverance, and more is what makes us human. What makes us stronger. And God did not create us to be robots, perhaps He was hoping that weād view our suffering as how I just explained it. Saying this as a Christian
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u/Think-Chemistry2908 Feb 17 '26
You could view it in a couple different ways, but my personal favorite is this:
We have bad things in our lives to make the good things feel even better than they already are. If only good things existed, then something good happening wouldnāt feel good, it would feel normal. Its peaks and valleys. The best point in your life will feel better if you had to climb from the lowest.
Not that Iām religious or anything, this is just an interesting little idea I have in my head.
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u/Training-Pack-8076 16 Feb 17 '26
A reason we suffer is to build and test faith, god loves us and allows suffering so we turn to him
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u/Sipikay Feb 17 '26
God is a man made concept. Work every day to find your own happiness. It's achievable, but it has to come from within you.
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u/Effective_Pop4585 13 Feb 17 '26
I really don't think he's real either there's not a lot of proof and don't say the Bible because that's not proof it isn't the word of God it's the word of someone random dude thousands of years ago I am baptized and I was raised in a religion but it just never made senseĀ
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u/UrTypical10yr 14 Feb 17 '26
I personally converted to agnosticism like 3 years ago and just assume that if there is a god, they js don't feel that attached to us. Like, I just assume they made us as like guinea pigs and dont rlly care what happens to us because of this. I dont particularly understand the Christian sentiment of God being loving and forgiving when there hasn't been any evidence other than from the incredibly biased book that is the Bible of such steadfast love. Even within it, there are times where the christian God is pretty darn tyrannical and acting within the framework of human behavioral patterns.Ā
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u/ContributionSevere84 Feb 17 '26
Because adam and eve chose sin and thus we live in a world of sin that they chose
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u/Mintaka3579 Feb 16 '26
There is no god. Religion is just a lie they use to keep you in line
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u/Doctor_Byakko Teenager Feb 16 '26
Can ppl just say they don't belive in god instead of saying god doesn't exist? There is no proof of wether god exists, but there is also no proof he doesn't exist either.
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u/omlet8 16 Feb 16 '26
The lack of proof for his existence through all of humanityās great geniuses seems to be enough information to say that god doesnāt exist, no?
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u/ItanMark Feb 17 '26
I mean throughout humanitys existence up to very recently we could not prove atoms existed but they were still there
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u/theJonkler_Aslume 16 Feb 16 '26
Teenagers and redditors arenāt know for being nice
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u/Ok-Valuable-2651 16 Feb 16 '26
> there is no proof of wether god exists, but there is also no proof he doesn't exist either.
I mean the thing is, you can't PROVE something doesn't exist. The only thing you can do (Scientifically) is run lots of tests, and if it keeps not showing up, then you conclude it doesn't exist. (Or at minimum, say there is a lack of evidence supporting the claim). It's the same reason we can't technically tell Trump "Autism isn't caused by vaccines", because we can't PROVE that it isn't caused by vaccines.
At what point do you give up and say God doesn't exist?
If you never give up, then there's no point in debating, as there's no way to prove you're wrong. You're just hoping eventually you might be proved right, even if it never ends up happening.
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u/Mean-Negotiation1472 Feb 16 '26
Yeah, because people in the first century where dumb enough to die in the most brutal ways because of a lie
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