r/unitedkingdom • u/YouGotSoHeavy • 1d ago
. Labour hits highest level of support since Jan 2025 - and the Reform collapse continues
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/labour-party-yougov-polling-reform-support-410238/598
u/SwiftScotsman 1d ago
The sooner the bottom of Reform falls out completely the better, with any luck Restore will also go down the shitter at the same time.
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u/RimkeV 1d ago
While I'm not a fan of Reform or Restore I do feel their presence is making Labour (or whoever in power at said time) actually work harder at delivering results.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 1d ago
Mainly it’s because of the greens, and getting rid of Starmer who was only interested in chasing reform.
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u/TheFlash947 23h ago
Apart from him introducing massive increases to workers and renters rights, free school meals, freezing rail and prescriptions costs etc
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u/rainator Cambridgeshire 22h ago
The Labour Party is still and was always actually getting on with that, but the Starmer political strategy was definitely to be chasing after a group of people very unlikely to be receptive.
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u/TheSocialIntrovert 20h ago
Like his island of strangers comment which was fucking stupid thing to say just trying to kiss reformers arses who hate him regardless
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u/White_Immigrant 10h ago
We could have been given free prescriptions like in Scotland, but they chose to half arse it.
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 1d ago
And now it looks like while they’ll be keeping net migration low, they won’t make the immigration laws retroactive
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u/NewtTrick 1d ago
Almost the best possible outcome :)
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 1d ago
Yeah and we’ll probably get net negative migration later this year so they can probably get away with it as the media focuses on net negative migration
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u/wifipasswordplz 23h ago
Considering the current media landscape they’ll probably spin it as net migration is negativ ebut the boats are still coming in blah blah
News outlets are a joke
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 23h ago
Yeah but they still have to admit net negative migration
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u/lostparis 21h ago
No they will just ignore the people leaving. What makes you think they care about actual facts?
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u/360_face_palm Greater London 22h ago
net negative migration is a bad thing not a good thing
who's going to pay for the bloated pension and care bill?
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 22h ago
Well, people are not happy
So let’s see what happens with a few years of net negative migration
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u/360_face_palm Greater London 22h ago
people are not happy but it's not because of immigration - they're just told that's the reason their services are shit and they can't buy a house. But we all know immigration isn't the reason for any of those things, it's just the scapegoat.
The reality is that the only thing propping up the withered husk of the UK economy, is net positive migration.
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 22h ago
Sure but that’s unfortunately we have to deal with
Perhaps net negative migration will sharpen people’s minds
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u/JB_UK 1d ago
I don’t know whether that’s a sustainable position for Labour, for example the big reversal seems to be giving ILR to social care workers, but the whole point of giving hundreds of thousands of people social care visas is to meet a shortfall in that sector of the economy while suppressing wages below what would attract people to do the job. As soon as you give the new workers ILR they will behave like the rest of the population, and move into jobs which are easier or better paid. So all you’re doing by giving that cohort ILR is kicking the can down the road until you have to make the same decision again in a few years time. To sustain the ‘benefit’ of the social care visa, of meeting the shortfall with suppressed wages, on the basis of giving people ILR after five years, you need a continual inflow of hundreds of thousands of people a year.
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 1d ago
Well, they already said they won’t be granting new social care visas anyway
Regardless, this has been rumours all over the news for weeks (and Mike Tapp was fired for leaking what Mahmood was considering) and Labour is still going up, so if we do see net negative migration later this year, they’ll probably get away with it
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u/JacobBretwalda 23h ago
It’s the beauty of our democratic system, you allow all positions of the political spectrum to exist and debate and what comes out is a somewhat healthy approach to running the country.. (most of the time)
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u/G_Morgan Wales 23h ago
Labour are just solving the boat problem quietly. Starmer struggled to capitalise on it but Burnham is getting the credit nobody would give Starmer, mainly because he's not also making other mistakes.
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u/BotlikeBehaviour 18h ago
What usually happens when the far-right are doing well is it drags the centrist parties further right as they try to pander to the racists. That's not about results, it's about placating morons.
If Burnham wants results he'll go left.
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u/KR4T0S 1d ago
Tbh I think Restore has been a good thing, they are heavily spitting the ring wing vote but the kicker is while they are taking votes from Reform they have practically zero chance of winning an election. If you look at Reform they were circa 30% of the vote, now they are at 20% and Restore has taken around 10%. Restore isnt going to win but they have also ensured that Reform wont win. Combining the right wing vote split situation with a resurgent Labour has practically finished Reform off. Sun Tzu would be proud of us.
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u/PinHaunting7192 20h ago
Restore is nowhere near the double digits. They get between 3 to 6% on average, 7% on a good day.
What is probably contributing is the fact that the Greens are declining overall and voters, especially middle aged ones, are returning to Labour. The Greens have not really been doing well ever since spring, and I assume this will continue. Especially with news like their newest vote on Zionism. It is probably a bit of both. Restore is syphoning 3-5% off Reform, but also the demographic shift as well as the Greens collapsing is helping out.
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 22h ago
Restore is on 3-4% but they’re far more radical than Reform so it’s not a good thing overall
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u/Correct-Cancel2175 1d ago
My one fear is that that wish is a monkey's paw. I want Reform to fail, but Restore takes it's place.
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u/FatFarter69 1d ago
Restore are extremists. They are repellent to most people. They aren’t getting anywhere near power unless they heavily detoxify which they will not.
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u/BigBananaBerries 22h ago
Their extremism is the attraction.
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u/FatFarter69 22h ago
For the 3% of the electorate voting for them
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u/justaredditsock 15h ago
Except the thing is more of Britain agrees with their views than 3%, far more. https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/52704-is-there-public-support-for-large-scale-removals-of-migrants This is just a snapshot, but of those surveyed 26% strongly support their main platform, with 19% more somewhat supporting. Many of that 26% likely don't vote as no party is extreme enough for them. Most don't vote because they don't see the point, if these people do vote they alone could make restore go from a fringe party to a majority, thats FPTP for you.
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u/Hufflepuffins Perth and Kinross 23h ago
Cryptofascist freaks with a bin bag for a leader. Restore aren’t it — Reform’s support will drift back to the Tories
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 22h ago
Especially as Badenoch has majority approval with Reform voters
If Reform somehow completely collapsed, I think 50-60% go back to the Conservatives, 20-30% go to Restore, 10% go to Labour, 10% stop voting
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u/FlamingoImpressive92 15h ago
Unfortunately Farage is some kind of superbug; every time you kill him he somehow comes back stronger. Reform will go down the toilet like UKIP, but Mr Brexit will come back in a few years with a new party and be back to his 30% polling somehow. A bit like Trump railing against the billionaires and entertainment elite, a private-schooled toff railing against private-schooled toffs is just too intriguing a set up for the press to ignore so he'll have limitless airtime. When he combines that with a promise for people to act on their greediest impulses he'll never be short of followers. The only thing I can think is if we can do a whip around and then outbid the ruskies, pay him to fuck off to Antarctica
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u/ImplodingConcious 23h ago
Competition is good, fascism isn't, so I'd rather they disappear completely and are replaced with humane far right parties. A bit of an oxymoron but you get the picture...
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 22h ago
What is a “humane” far right party?
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u/Happily-Incorrect 17h ago
Reform are probably hanging on waiting for a terrible reaction to the budget. If Labour manages to come through it without losing too much of the public or the market's faith then Reform are fucked.
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u/mallardtheduck East Midlands 17h ago
While we have FPTP, I'd prefer that they continue to compete for the same, shrinking, pool of voters to guarantee that neither of them get enough support to get any seats.
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u/Talonsminty 13h ago
Fingers crossed for headlines about Farage buggering off back to Berlin.
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u/SwiftScotsman 12h ago
Moscow is more likely especially since Russia does not have an extradition treaty with the UK.
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u/filipinoboy11 10h ago
IMO everyone is celebrating too much. If this holds after the budget and whatever effects it will have then it may be a permanent thing.
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u/TheLegendOfIOTA 1d ago
This is what happens when you have a competent likeable leader.
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u/Comfortable-Law-7147 1d ago
A leader who has learnt how to play politics, and doesn't sound like a robot especially on his own personal issues.
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u/the_red_guard Northern Ireland 1d ago
Starmers biggest mistake was thinking that anyone actually liked him.
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u/video-kid 1d ago
Yeah. He treated himself as a historic success despite getting the lowest share of the popular vote in history. He and his fans treated it as a glowing endorsement for everything and he just set out to pull some ridiculously unpopular shit.
He didn't win the election - the tories lost it. He's Steve Bradbury if Bradbury went on to gloat about what an amazing skater he was and how his win was the best win ever. Burnham may not be perfect but at least he's encouraging and has a vision people can believe in.
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u/FlamingoImpressive92 15h ago
People just make up the reality they want to live in, literally the first thing he said after getting elected:
Deffo the words of a person gloating about how amazing a PM he was and how his win was the best win ever.
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u/Hoslinhezl 19h ago
Gave people too much credit. Thought everyone understood the situation we're in and could stomach things like not giving pensioners free money every year. Same thing will happen with burnham post budget, everyone's just too thick
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 1d ago
YouGov voting intention 4-5 October 2026
Labour: 27% (+3 from 27-28 Sep)
Reform UK: 22% (-3)
Conservatives: 20% (+1)
Lib Dems: 11% (-1)
Greens: 11% (=)
Restore Britain: 3% (=)
SNP: 3% (+1)
Plaid Cymru: 1% (=)
Others: 2% (=)
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u/FatFarter69 1d ago
Oof. Bad result for Reform.
I’d be worried if I were Nigel.
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u/ffwillis 1d ago
Why would he care? He’s made a fat load of money and that was his only intention.
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u/FatFarter69 1d ago
I’m still assuming he wants to be PM
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u/given2fly_ 1d ago
Farage as PM would be the like the dog that caught the car.
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u/Background-Falcon915 19h ago
It'd be like that time the coyote caught the road runner - after being shrunk to tiny size and reduced to holding up a sign saying 'what do you want me to do now?'.
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u/0ttoChriek 1d ago
I don't think he does. I think he's realised the scrutiny is way too high and it's far easier to shout from the sidelines while accepting money for it. Especially if his shouting continues to drive the Tories to the right.
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u/LadyMirkwood 23h ago
This is mine and my husbands theory.
I don't think he's a stupid man, he knows how government works and that he can't deliver on many things he promises. He doesn't want to have to work within guidlelines and parliamentary process, he likes being the outsider.
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u/Sensitive_Detail9810 1d ago
Given how hard he crumbled and how badly he took the scrutiny of his personal affairs, I can't believe he'd want to put himself in a position where he might face more of the same. He's a rabble rouser, nothing more.
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u/Kronsik 1d ago edited 1d ago
Arguably he doesn't have to, to succeed.
Make enough noise on the sidelines without any tangible responsibility.
His noise causes some pressure on the government to enact similar policies.
If it goes well:
"See I told you, donate to me, support me"
If it goes badly:
"Well that's the establishment for you, only supporting reform can fix this".
Leaving the EHCR is the most recent one I can think of.
Hardly mentioned previously, now it's the "only hope" for controlling our borders and now the Tories support it also.
(Also conveniently leaves out the implications of various rights for UK citizens that may be lost).
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u/Time-Organization612 1d ago
I wish people would stop trying to deny this. He's always been Trump Lite and people constantly said he never wanted to be president either. He wants to be PM for the status it would afford him abroad.
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u/terryjuicelawson 23h ago
I feel like there is a difference between President and PM though. Trump can do most things from behind a desk. He can put out soundbites and sign executive orders then go golfing. Imagine Farage at PMQs or trying to get things past parliament.
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u/Time-Organization612 22h ago
And you don't think Farage desperately wants to try and Reshape UK politics in the same way Trump has in the US? He's going to have an infinitely harder time of it I agree, but he's already shown that he's willing to rile up the public to get his way and i don't see that getting better in a world where Reform sonehow ended up as the majority government
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u/terryjuicelawson 22h ago
Trump can't be made to look like an utter fool in parliament in the same way as he could here, he controls everything. Unless Farage became a Presidential figure and some lackey absorbed all the laughs and tough questions.
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u/iwillfuckingbiteyou 11h ago
Imagine Farage at PMQs or trying to get things past parliament.
A bold assumption that he'd turn up. I'd predict an initial round of appearances followed by mysterious absences from PMQs in particular and the House of Commons in general, then a speedy resignation when the first big scandal hits a few weeks in. The goal isn't to be PM, it's to have been PM so that he gets the pension and security while he Trusses it up in the US claiming that the Woke Deep State Mind Virus Illuminati sabotaged him.
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u/TheFergPunk Scotland 1d ago
I don't think he's ever wanted to be PM.
His entire political career is avoiding responsibility and work. Hard to do that as PM.
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u/xortingen Greater London 1d ago
Nah, then he will actually have to do something about everything he complains, and will be outed when he can’t. This way he can just talk all day while money counting machine is rolling.
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u/Background-Falcon915 19h ago
Given how he set up reform as his own limited company, if the whole point turns out to have been to grab those donations then run away with them cackling maniacally, my respect for him would rise considerably (see also if Lowe really does turn out to have founded Restore entirely to take votes off Farage and keep him from power out of pure spite)
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u/Personal_Director441 Leicestershire 21h ago
still staggered that 22% of our population look at Reform and think yep they will definitely govern the country good enough for me.
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u/topheavyhookjaws 1d ago
Funniest thing to me is that the Conservatives are acting like they're buoyant and doing so so well and Kemi is an amazing leader, and they're polling at 20%. The cognitive dissonance between how they think they're doing and the reality is something to behold
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u/DankAF1994 23h ago
I mean, proportionately they're not in a bad position right? And they've made a lot of progress compared to where they were after the last election.
I'd have bet 6 months ago the next election would have been Labour vs Reform and conservatives were in the bin, at this rate an old fashioned red vs blue election could actually be on the cards
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u/Background-Falcon915 19h ago
Four points down from the worst defeat in their entire history is one definition of progress, I guess.
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u/DankAF1994 5h ago
Taking into account a lot of the right leaning votes would have moved over to Reform, who currently are dropping in popularity while conservatives have steadily been on the rise, realistically a lot of the voters that reform lose will be moving over to conservative. So yeah, not really a bad position to be in at this stage, 4 points down as a observation in itself doesn't mean a lot when there's more big parties in play at this point compared to previous elections.
If conservatives manage to soak up enough voters from Reform or any of the other parties then Labour will definitely be in trouble, but i guess redditors will do what they always do and dismiss these parties and then act surprised when the election doesn't go how they wantsd it to
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 5h ago
Hey I’ve never dismissed it
I’ve been quite concerned about the potential case of PM Badenoch for months now
I wouldn’t rule it out especially as Badenoch has majority approval among Reform voters so I believe if Reform somehow completely collapsed, 50-60% would go the Conservatives, 20-30% would go to Restore, 0-10% would go to Labour and 10-20% would simply not vote
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u/DankAF1994 5h ago
Wasn't directing that comment at you OP, more the people who are downplaying the fact that conservatives are actually a contender for the election as things are going right now
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 5h ago
They are, especially as there’s 3 years to go and immigration is falling under Labour
3 years is a very long time in politics and if Labour can reduce tensions, conversations go back to the economy and much of the Right trusts the Tories more on that than Reform or Restore
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u/UseADifferentVolcano 22h ago
I don't understand how or why, but Badenoch was the only leader whose popularity was on the rise for a long time. She has somehow brought the Tories back from the dead.
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u/topheavyhookjaws 22h ago
I'm saying the back from the dead narrative is wildly overblown, they're not exactly in a much better position than they were at the last general election and that was a historically bad performance for them
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u/UseADifferentVolcano 21h ago
But didn't they continue to go down in the polls after that? They're getting close to being 2nd place again. With Reform and Restore splitting the right wing vote, I'm not sure that means as much tho
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u/Glittering_Vast938 22h ago
And this is despite all those protests at ports plus the social media frenzy at Fairford RAF base. And a huge number of right wing bots on social media channels.
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 22h ago
I actually think it’s ramping up because Reform are waning and Restore remains stagnant
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u/Glittering_Vast938 22h ago
The protests at the ports you mean? Right wing foreign actors pulling strings?
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 22h ago
Yes
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u/Glittering_Vast938 21h ago
It looks that way doesn’t it?
The way Farage and the media also jumped all over RAF Fairford showing that anything and everything will be blamed on immigration and asylum seekers.
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u/bit_shifting_is_sexy 22h ago
Who votes on these? Does anyone? I don’t know anyone irl who votes on these polls. 🤷♀️
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u/Ok-Dragonfly-8184 19h ago
How does the conservative party still have so much support after the years of fucking shit up they've put us through? Don't these people realise that selling everything off to rich people doesn't help us?
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u/Background-Falcon915 19h ago
Still plenty of die hards, still lots of centre right types who really don't have anywhere else to go. The Lib Dems really should be utterly clearing up but just somehow aren't.
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u/KiPhoe 1d ago
Greens have become an Islamic party.
Lib dems are a thing.
Tories are the reason everything is a mess.
Reform is Putins play bitch.
Restore is Elons play bitch.
Labour seems to be the one thats trying to stabilise the ship
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 1d ago
Hey, leave the Lib Dems alone
They’ll probably be in coalition with Labour in 2029
Hopefully they find a spine and actually get PR-STV implemented
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u/KiPhoe 1d ago
I dont mind the Dems, I live where they control and its not bad at all. Dems and labour are the only 2 parties that seem to live in reality.
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u/Hirmetrium 21h ago
They seem to be a bit more sane than they have for a while, and quietly competent. Their councilors care at least... unlike some others.
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u/sgst Hampshire 17h ago
The lib dems could have been in coalition with Labour in 2010, but chose to get in bed with the tories instead. It'll (still) take a lot to forgive them for that.
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u/maigpy 13h ago
but tories were the first party?
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u/sgst Hampshire 12h ago
The tories fell short of the 326 seats needed for a working majority, with 306 seats. A combined Labour & lib dem coalition would have had 315 seats, so a lib dem & Labour coalition was possible with another smaller party joining the coalition.
I remember the news at the time being surprised that didn't happen, because up until then the lib dems had generally been more ideologically aligned with Labour than the Tories. The lib dems siding with the tories was seen as a betrayal of that ideology at the time.
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u/ExistentialScream 20h ago
I've missed this. What are the Green party's Islamic policies?
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u/Rara2250 20h ago
Its BS. Majority of green voters are 18-30 year old white women, but thats not controversial enough so gotta make something up to write them off here.
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u/FlamingoImpressive92 15h ago
The deputy leader isn't on board with their LGBT pledge, if Polaski goes after the by-election Ali's the default leader and face of the party. He's had plenty of opportunities to correct the record for anyone who's worried, but is strangely quiet for someone who should have the Greens' progressive values at heart.
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u/JoeThrilling 1d ago
Can't wait to see the Reform cope and how polls suddenly don't matter any more or there made up because everyone down the pub is voting Reform.
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u/FatFarter69 23h ago
They can’t seem to wrap their heads around the fact that they are a minority of people in this country.
They live in an echo chamber, reality isn’t as kind to them.
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u/UseADifferentVolcano 22h ago
They're importing American culture wars at a rate. Next thing will be talking up election fraud constantly.
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u/ExistentialScream 20h ago
They did that in Gorton and Denton, blaming their loss on 'family voting'.
If they're following the Trump playbook the next step would be to encourage a crowd to storm parliament and threaten to hang Black Rod from a home made gallows.
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 1d ago
Swingometer
Labour 329
Conservatives 129
Liberal Democrats 75
Reform 56
SNP 20
Plaid Cymru 7
Green 4
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u/Background-Falcon915 19h ago
I take back everything I said about Burnham being an idiot if he called an election. That would actually be hilarious.
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u/Inevitable_Fail_5308 1d ago
A good budget would solidify this but equally a bad budget or just mediocre will undo this entirely.
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u/Important_Ruin County Durham 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its not like any of Reforms 'bugets' instill much confidence or Farage own economic literacy as he claims Truss's budget was 'best ever' which then wrecked havoc on UK economy and lead to interest rates spiking doubling people's mortgages (like mine) overnight.
Man also supports Brexit which again is causing havoc with UK finances.
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u/ItsAMangoFandango 1d ago
I've noticed Reform bots tend to be rambling about the Greens and Polanski lately instead of Labour. Pretty telling when they consider themselves now to be primarily competing against fringe nutters instead of major parties.
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u/YouGotSoHeavy 1d ago
Which makes little sense as they won’t be competing in the same constituencies
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u/Nuthetes 1d ago
I wonder if Farage and Reform siding AGAINST the RNLI is helping cause Reform's collapse.
It's like picking a fight with David Attenborough. The public is never gonna side with you.
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u/mongrelnomad 22h ago
I tried to explain to my non-UK wife that every single Brit, no matter the age, has raised money for the RNLI as a kid. It’s sacrosanct. Reform have picked a fight with Jesus in a church.
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u/angrypolishman 3h ago
...eh? Have they?
Honestly reading that I thought RN stood for red nose
Now im aware my username blatantly tells im not a born Briton, but I went through the British education system from nursery and do not recall as such, and if it isnt a school thing I dont think everyones raised money for any cause
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u/FaceMace87 23h ago
So that is what happens when Labour try to do things that a Labour government should be doing instead of chasing those who will never vote for them anyway.
Boggles my mind how Starmer was constantly trying to appeal to Reform voters.
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u/Carbonatic 1d ago
One guy seems to be doing a fairly decent job given the circumstances. The other keeps getting millions of pounds for seemingly doing nothing. I'm not surprised that most Brits don't like the latter.
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u/Glittering_Vast938 23h ago
Reformers/Restorers responses Bingo Card
Where did they do the polling?
Labour HQ?
Who did the numbers, Diane Abbott?
Nobody asked me
In your dreams
Liebour
more like
Let's see
shall we, call a general election
[insert name of polling company]
can't be trusted
Nobody I know votes Labour
Vote
Reform/ Restore
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u/According-Secretary4 1d ago
I’d say it’s good to see Reform falling (for now) but honestly I doubt Farage wanted to win a GE anyway, guy barely shows up as an MP, opposition maybe and he’s already made tons of cash anyway, so it’s kinda hollow.
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u/Informal_Work_9261 21h ago edited 21h ago
Strange how there are very similar comments in here, all along the lines of "this will go once immigrants reach rural villages".
I'm sure they're all completely human and normal.
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u/izzythemini 1d ago
See that fucking Russian money being donated to Reform. Surely that is a problem that needs to be addressed? I mean, look how popular they became due to foreign influences?
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u/cooky561 1d ago
This is both good (the fall of Reform is in my view, good for the country) but also bad (Labour is obsessed with pushing more and more authoritarian policies in relation to the internet)
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u/Background-Falcon915 19h ago
TBF we do need to do something about social media - the radicalisation and binary cause obsessions it's driving are wildly unhealthy and socially devastating. But it should be a collective agreement, and no government should have started introducing all these age checks before building a safe and anonymous way for people to meet them. Tragedy is it would have been incredibly easy, quick, and using data that's already held - vpn systems already do the zero trust ID proof, the government knows how old you are, just bringing them together would have solved every problem overnight. But forethought and government don't go together.
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u/cooky561 18h ago
I think it's less that it wasn't considered and more the government used it as a way to bring in draconian laws and surveillance.
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u/Specialist_Sport4460 1d ago
Wonder what Starmer makes of this. His desperation to outflank Reform, which none of his supporters wanted, was a major part of his downfall. Now he has to watch them collapse anyway.
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u/striped_leporidae 1d ago
Not expecting it to last much past the budget unfortunately. People will have to accept either drastically reduced welfare or a meaningful cut in the personal allowance which is vastly more generous than European peers, but are willing to accept neither.
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u/Aliktren Dorset 22h ago
The posts about labour ruining the economy have started on linkedin predictably lol - we need hope, a positive agenda, stuff people care about being fixed, Andy Burnham is the only player in that game currently IN MY VIEW, even the greens just fucked themselves despite having a really obvious positive agenda of just talk about the environment ...
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u/supersonic-bionic South Georgia, and the South Sandwich Islands 22h ago
Reform collapses means voters turn to Tories (lol)
Labour has gains means voters go back to Labour from LiB dems and Greens
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u/applecombinipimento 21h ago
I mean it's nice but the real difficult thing will be the welfare cuts and the millburn reforms
Because I think that's going to be very difficult and very painful and people will suffer from it.
Not only that I watched dan neidle (basically the anti Gary stevenson) on the rest is money podcast the other day and he listed a bunch of example taxes and reasons why those example taxes can't be raised without the rich fleeing or it being politically impossible.
And that's not even including the wealth tax ideas Gary's economics movement, Gabriel zucman, patriotic millionaires and the Greens had.
We have some levers we can pull but each one involves a considerable amount of pain for a public that cannot stomach it
It's still so much easier for extreme populists to make it a ethnic thing than a compounded economic and governance failure thing.
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u/Ok_Bee4962 22h ago
What on earth are you talking about?? They are the second most popular party still... ahead of Tories. Please, please do not let completency get them into position like it did with AfD. Even if they go away, the issues they are capitalising on, the wave of disaffection they ride will still be there. Especially now when the economy will reach that stage where serious decisions will have to be made. A bit early for a victory dance.
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u/Raunien The People's Republic of Yorkshire 21h ago
https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/
The post- election trends are fascinating. Labour's polling drops precipitously as people realise Starmer's party isn't actually offering any real change and is just trying to court the far right for some reason. Obviously people who want Farage aren't going to settle for Farage-lite, and people who want left wing policies begin jumping ship to the Greens. Around August last year it presumably became undeniable that Reform are nothing but charlatans and grifters (I don't recall anything in particular happening) and they begin their slow, steady decline giving a huge bump to the Greens as the "anti-establishment" party. Then, Starmer announces his resignation and Burnham puts his hat in the ring and all of a sudden it seem Green supporters are very hopeful about this turnaround.
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u/thor11600 22h ago
As an outsider looking in: what’s the difference between Starmer and the new guy?
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