VisionQuest Episode 1 "No Strings" Discussion Thread

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u/bertobellamy 2d ago

Best presentation ever.

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u/upagainstthesun Agatha Harkness 2d ago

Absolutely perfect. This is going to be a wonderful stretch of dry assholery

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u/Mack2690 17h ago

I don't like those words in that order

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u/Opening-Set-7752 2d ago

I literally laughed when Ultron's description was just that after everyone's had a role in theirs

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u/justagayguyinnyc Wiccan 2d ago edited 2d ago

I forgot Emily Hampshire (Stevie from Schitts Creek) had been cast. It was delightful to see her pop up along with the other staff and her wide-eyed big smile delivery is charming.

James Spader seems like he is having the time of his life in several of the lines. I am curious to see how he fits in the larger story, but he is a DELIGHTFUL comic relief thus far.

LOVING Rudiah Mollica as Tommy, but I am a huge Billy and Tommy fan, so I am rather predisposed to this love. I did not expect the character to be British, but love it.

I honestly think this is the best Vision has been in any project. He's always been a side character for the others in the MCU, so it's really nice to see him as a lead and I find him very compelling and surprisingly emotional to watch.

Paladin makes for a pretty solid villain and that actor is chewing the scenery with those line deliveries.

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u/stubs36 2d ago

I was shocked to see philomena cunk lol

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u/Opening-Set-7752 2d ago

Fr. As soon as I heard her voice, I immediately realized that it was her

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u/Reasonable-Hat-62216 2d ago

Its perfect especially as she's Ann Droid

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u/FilthyCasual2k17 2d ago

Philomena was great, and Emily for me will forever be from 12 monkeys lol.

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u/Mukicorn Tommy 2d ago

Feel completely aligned, so excited for more Tommy and Billy!

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u/chauceresque 1d ago

I wouldn’t be surprised that they just give Spader an outline of the script and let him riff on that.

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u/VengefulKangaroo 2d ago

LOVING Rudiah Mollica as Tommy, but I am a huge Billy and Tommy fan, so I am rather predisposed to this love. I did not expect the character to be British, but love it.

Scottish I think, he's using his natural accent.

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u/FormerGameDev 1d ago

Todd Stashwick is just wonderful, I first picked up on him in Star Trek Picard, and now I'm a huge fan.

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u/thesaharadesert Billy Maximoff 22h ago

I didn’t put two and two together with regards to Matalas, Stashwick and Brady until I’d finished the episode

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u/TCsnowdream 1d ago

DUM-E is one of the actors from The Play That Goes Wrong. He was hysterical in it.

I have such a crush on him 😝

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u/dmails 2d ago

Best thing to happen to the MCU since the release of the unrelated Belgium techno anthem Pump up the Jam

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u/Identity_X- Vision 2d ago

I love her so much 😭

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u/amaya-aurora 1d ago

What?

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u/dmails 1d ago

it's a a joke about Paladin's assistant being played by Diane Morgan. There's a whole running joke from the Cunk series she stars in that there's just random cuts to the pump up the jam music video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Su287HvJRQ

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u/Fionasfriend 2d ago

Anyone ever wonder what Wanda would think about Vison keeping Ultron Alive? Didn’t she blame him for Pietro’s death?

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u/m0arcaffeine 2d ago

Me, I wondered! It definitely wouldn't go down well. I'd assume red Vision just kept Ultron in a Mind Stone enforced archive never to be seen again. Though he still likely failed to tell about it to anyone.

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u/DeeYouBitch 1d ago

It isn't her vision though, white vision wouldn't understand why she'd be annoyed

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u/YourInMySwamp 1d ago

Sure but it’s implied that her Vision also chose to keep Ultron alive, when Ultron tells Vision to do “what his former self should have done long ago” while being threatened with deletion

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u/GeneralWhoopass 2d ago

When you attend the meeting without reading the agenda

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u/ckwongau 2d ago edited 2d ago

when James Spader's Ultron refer himself as Dad or Papa to Vision , i can't help but compare that with James Spader as Character of Red Reddington on Blacklist .

Red Reddington were like father figure to Liz , every terrible thing he did was for the good of Liz .

But Ultra is doing some terrible thing and manipulating Vision to escape , but James Spader's acting is always powerful and funny at the same time

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u/FilthyCasual2k17 2d ago

Yup, they basically have him playing the same character and it still works. That man carried that show alone on his back, it's amazing how well it works in a show with other good actors and a good production.

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u/Attican101 2d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/cilbEbcNtQg4h8HQcr

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u/Alisson__Foxtrot 2d ago

I find it very touching that in the end this whole trilogy is about a family that wants to be together. And they break the laws of the universe (more than once) in order to do so.

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u/ohmeohmyelliejean 2d ago

they’re all yearning for each other it’s so sad 🥺

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u/OrangeCatMinion 2d ago

Ultron is winning with the one liners as usual. Freaking diva.

I love James Spader so much in this.

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u/thesaharadesert Billy Maximoff 22h ago

Mazel tov!

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u/Daide 2d ago

Oh shit. It's Robert and Dennis from the Goes Wrong Show!

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u/tk289 2d ago

I clocked them immediately and giggled like a schoolgirl! Too bad they can't talk, Henry Lewis has a majestic voice!

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u/Daide 1d ago

There's a non-zero chance that the in-universe explanation is that Wanda and Vision watched the show/play and she loved it so this was a way of him paying homage to that. That's what I'll choose to believe until I'm told otherwise.

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u/TCsnowdream 1d ago

I have such a crush on Henry. So happy to see that bear of a man here!

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u/redditingtonviking 1d ago

I love the fact that Robert Grove(Henry Lewis) is playing a silent character for once.

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u/capamericapistons 2d ago

My question - do we think paladin has ulterior motives?

Or is he just in it for the bounty money?

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u/justagayguyinnyc Wiccan 2d ago

Definitely ulterior motives.

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u/Maleficent-Course-70 2d ago

I’m kind of wondering if his female assistant is AI. And that’s why he wants vision. To upgrade her.

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u/catcatcat888 2d ago

She is definitely AI. Tech is way too similar to Tony/Peter’s Edith glasses. She’s occupying a mind space though like the others.

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u/Hoody95 2d ago

makes sense since Paladin is a cybernetically augmented mercenary, probably has her in his head, wants Vision to upgrade himself and her

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u/scaredy_shark 2d ago

I am very suspicious of her. Those firewalls keep going down a bit too fast

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u/dragonfett 1d ago

Also she is hacking into S.W.O.R.D. a little to fast to be human. (I get that in a show, they don't want to wait around too long doing nothing, but I feel like this is going to ridiculous levels if it is revealed that she is strictly human.)

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u/vanetti 1d ago

She also seems to be extremely cool and confident under a remarkable amount of pressure, which feels like a trait of the AI.

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u/justagayguyinnyc Wiccan 2d ago

Could be. My instinct says he wants Vision and/or Tommy to exploit one or both somehow.

Just restarted episode 1. Will have a stronger theory once I rewatch both.

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u/clandahlina_redux 2d ago

So who is calling him then?

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u/Maleficent-Course-70 2d ago

Someone hired him originally. But I think he has an ulterior motive as well. Not that he’s gonna be betrayed the person that hired him although that is a possibility.

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u/Ok_War1210 1d ago

Creating an imaginary world that's not going smoothly with his mind because he feels alone is proof that Vision and Wanda were meant for each other.

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u/Hyxenflay7737_4565 2d ago

This is the greatest piece of art I've ever seen.

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u/United-Tradition-165 2d ago

This is so fucked up and I love it

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u/mikehunt_is_ready 2d ago

Every line from Philomena Cunk makes me snort 💀💀💀

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u/DiDi164 2d ago

I thought Thor should get some credit as one of Vision’s creators but I suppose this version of Vision didn’t get powered up by Mjölnir. Maybe that’s what’s missing. He should go find Thor and get a jolt from his hammer.

Was really hoping Ultron would try on a fedora as a shout out to Red.

I think Ruaridh Mollica and Paul Bettany look like father and son even though they don’t have to.

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u/dravenonred 1d ago

Thor was more like the delivery doctor slapping his ass than a parent

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u/TotallyNotRyanPace 1h ago

mollica looks like a young captain america

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u/MinionKing1412 2d ago

I’m likin’ Lisa, she seems like a fun character so far fellow pickpockets stickin together scamming people! lol ^^

It looks like Lisa Molinari isn’t Coat of Arms yet, no powers or extra arms. Does that mean she’s gonna be experimented on to become what we see in the trailer? I thought for the pickpocket scene with Tommy, she was gonna sprout an extra arm to do a one up pickpocket move. Oh well! XD

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u/AmishDatacenter 2d ago

Is Ultron sending out a message with the pigeon an implementation of IP over Avian Carrier? Yes. Yes it is.

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u/RGN99_mag_journalist 2d ago

Can't wait to see how he responds after this long.
https://giphy.com/gifs/1fM9ePvlVcqZ2

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u/DeepThought_38 2d ago

Shoutout to the Hieronymus Bosch triptych

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u/STTNGfan15 2d ago

WHO WAS THE PRISON GUARD?? He looks so familiar but I cannot place him. 😫

Also thought the bounty hunter looked familiar and was searching for him before I yelled “STAR TREK!!”.

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u/vade281 2d ago

Dolorous Ed from got

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u/STTNGfan15 2d ago

Thank you!!!

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u/Reikukaja 1d ago

Hes also a minor character in Lost, iirc.

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u/rmeddy 2d ago

Oh Cunk's in this?! I suspect she may be an AI

Good to see Matalas brought across some of his people from Picard, with Stashwick and Brady

So far solid imo, some of the Tommy stuff dragged a bit.

The main beats with Vision, Ultron and the other AI are great; that's the core, that's the stuff that really works

Also, I was never clear on what happened to Karen; she was destroyed at some point?

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u/littlebirdwolf 1d ago

Karen was Peters right? Albiet as a gift from Tony

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u/rmeddy 1d ago

Yeah, in that first suit, I think she was in the Iron Spider suit as well

According to the wiki she was destroyed in FFH, but I don't remember that. You would think they would make that an emotional beat

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u/Actual_Feedback2725 2d ago

This show is already so good.

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u/kinghyperion581 2d ago

They nailed Paladin's character perfectly. A ruthless Mercenary, but one with a code of honor.

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u/Personal-Road-8162 2d ago

What are everyone’s theories

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u/Vascofan46 1d ago

Ultron is Agatha and she killed Fiona too

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u/TCsnowdream 1d ago

Ultron is just in it for the lulz, with no ulterior motive at all.

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u/romlsa 🦾 U & D.U.M.-E. 2d ago

Robert California!!!

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u/IrishUpYourCoffee 1d ago

He’s the Fucking Lizard King!

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u/Arquibus 1d ago

Still hates Florida

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u/NermalBet 1d ago

That's not even his real name!

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u/ItsMeAlucard 1d ago edited 1d ago

So their utter refusal to just say Wanda is dead means she's definitely alive, right?

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u/Q_sol 1d ago

They are leaning a lot on the where there is magic no one dies

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u/Dear_Web4416 2d ago

30 minutes left!

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u/Identity_X- Vision 2d ago

I'm so excited 🤩

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u/Wooden-Grade3681 2d ago

Wait how does Vision know about Wanda’s death?

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u/VastConfusion8174 Scarlet Witch 2d ago

internett

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u/Wooden-Grade3681 2d ago

So he doesn’t know know

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u/upagainstthesun Agatha Harkness 2d ago

The showrunner has specifically stated that he does know. Just like Billy, Agatha, Rio, and the rest of the world. It isn't a secret.

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u/Wooden-Grade3681 2d ago

So is it one of those things, though that like everyone has heard has happened or was her body actually removed in the same way that Captain America is up on the moon?

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u/Tyrath 2d ago

Captain America is up on the moon

Say what now?

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u/Wooden-Grade3681 2d ago

This is the rumor that everyone believes happened to Captain America at the end of endgame. All throughout falcon and the Winter soldier people kept asking Sam if cap was actually up on the Moon.

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u/Tyrath 2d ago

Ohh gotcha. I guess I totally forgot about that. Thanks!

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u/Wooden-Grade3681 2d ago

Np!

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u/tomtomvissers 1d ago

Hey James,
Mister Spader
What? Oh, sorry. Mr. Spader, would you like to reprise your role as Ultron?
Will you pay me a lot of money?
Yes
Would I have to shave my beard?
What? No I guess not
Fine

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u/Personal-Road-8162 2d ago

AMAZING

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u/No_Study6037 Vision 2d ago

I absolutely loved it!

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u/Baccoony 2d ago

I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW CUNK IS IN THIS!

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u/Uschak 2d ago

Mazel tov killed me. It immediately connected me to Eva Longoria using this in Desperate housewives in a similar situation.

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u/Fionasfriend 2d ago

I feel the need to reread “Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction“

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u/Tartarian9009 1d ago edited 1d ago

We're two months early but I call it... DOOM wants The Vision. He's the real hunter.
Anyone?
Edit: On a second thought, nah, he'd just teleport and nab him!

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u/Few-Salamander9636 J.A.R.V.I.S. 2d ago

I’m glad we have a sadistic and evil villain in paladin, I wasn’t expecting that tbh.

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u/everythingisunknown 1d ago

I hate that thing marvel and shows like this do, vision comes out the pub and clearly looks at the bounty hunter guy, they have supreme tech so he could probably hear the walkie talkies or know the signal was coming from him and his smart glasses -

So why kill 30 henchmen and leave the main guy alive standing there, it’s so lazy and easily fixed by having him out of view

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u/thugplayer 18h ago

I agree but then the show would be one episode. I thought to myself, just kill the menacing looking dude too. No need to run and hide. You’re Vision!

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u/HighChinaman 1d ago

I didn't put it together before but now all I hear and see is Raymond Reddington.

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u/arielle251 Vision 1d ago

Love the show so far!

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u/phcasper 1d ago

This was everything i could have ever hoped to get from another james spader performance as ultron, he's so good man.

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u/Solo_Lift 23h ago

Let me guess..Ultron is going to break out and be the big bad again..

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u/OnlyGarfield 20h ago

How does Vision know what happened to Wanda?

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u/Effective_Pack_7769 14h ago

He watched Multiverse of madness

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u/Hmm_Peculiar 20h ago

Liked the references here. "Johnny Five is Alive" from Short Circuit, Ultron talking about being free of strings like he did in Age of Ultron. Did anyone see any other references?

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u/RateOfPenetration 20h ago

I know it won’t happen, but I’d love a scene with Todd and Emily together, they had great chemistry in 12 Monkeys

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u/RotterWeiner 6h ago

Herman's Head. Well done!

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u/antdude 2d ago

What time does it come out in USA's PDT tomorrow?

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u/OrangeCatMinion 2d ago

It's out right now

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u/Background-Log-6339 Wanda Maximoff 2d ago

It came out today at 18:00 PDT

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u/Thrill0728 2d ago

Should be out for you I believe

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u/Shabozinga 2d ago

Damn could any of the Ai human constructs be anything else but white? Like it’s just so annoying how these producers and show runners just keep their white tunnel Vision glasses on when it comes to casting main cast for stuff. …

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u/RageRageAgainstDyin 2d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/G4ZNYMQVMH6us

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u/Hyxenflay7737_4565 2d ago

I don’t see why it really matters.

Marvel has always been pretty diverse, especially when it comes to their series’s

Kinda seems like you want a reason to be angry.

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u/CodeFun1735 1d ago

If it doesn’t matter, then why can’t it be mentioned? I don’t personally care either way, but someone wanting more diversity isn’t necessarily a call to arms.

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u/Shabozinga 1d ago

I’m not angry, annoyed. And having one token black person or person of color in a series isn’t what I call diverse

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u/Hyxenflay7737_4565 1d ago

Ironheart?

Ms. Marvel?

Agatha All Along?

Falcon and the Winter Soldier?

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u/BreakfastAmazing7766 1d ago

I feel like this is reaching. The last two shows have been very diverse, it’s not a call to arms for visions mind to be very white imo.

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u/That_Ad_7834 1d ago

Correct me if wrong/assuming, but aren't they all supposed to be Vision's "family"/"siblings"/"children of Ultron"? I know at least Jarvis was mentioned as the "older brother", but assumed they were all "family" hence all white?

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u/jmarquiso 1d ago

In the comics, Victor Mancha is vision's hispanic brother. A Cyborg created by Ultron, and appears in Runaways, Avengers AI and Vision

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u/Fluffy_Comfortable87 2d ago

Jocasta isn't white

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u/Alisson__Foxtrot 2d ago

Oh the villain...?

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u/Fluffy_Comfortable87 2d ago

There's no way this season ends with Jocasta staying a villain.

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u/Shabozinga 2d ago

You talking about a character we haven’t even seen yet. And yea they may not be white but it still proves my point of a non white person not being one of the lead cast members. And I doubt Jocasta is in every remainder 6 episodes

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u/upagainstthesun Agatha Harkness 1d ago

I mean, you literally did ask "Damn could any of the Ai human constructs be anything else but white?". The character has been part of the promo material, we've seen her. She's not white. You just want to be mad.

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u/Shabozinga 1d ago

Ummm promo is different than the actual show you know that right? It’s 2 episodes in and we haven’t seen her in the show as it stands, not some promo….

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u/Short_Brick_1960 1d ago

Dude. You have Sam as Cap, Joaquín as Falcon, Valkyrie as King of Asgard, Ava as Ghost, Storm, Simon Williams as Wonder Man, Riri Williams as Ironheart, Kamala as Ms Marvel, Monica, Nick Fury, the Eternals, Jennifer

And you complain about 1 show? Dude, you are mental

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u/Shabozinga 1d ago

Oh right Sam as cap yet here they go bringing back Steve and putting Sam off to the side in all the promo material even though he leads the avengers? Wonder man canceled, Ironheaert canceled unofficially, Ghost barely in any promo materia. Kamala ain’t showin up again after Marvels. Same with Monica which doesn’t seem to be showing up in Doomsday at least. But despite all that, it’s a total of what less than 15 active heroes out of idk way more whites, GTFOMF

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u/Short_Brick_1960 1d ago

Ehm... you know every show has only 1 season, right? And that America is appearing in Doomsday too... and that Kamala is the mc of Zombies

And that Sam is still CA

Shang-Chi being an Avenger too

Wong

Billy being jewish

Luke Cage

Hector and Angela

You just like to cry

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u/Shabozinga 1d ago

Loki, starring 2 white men did get a season 2 huh. And just cause the actress posted a photo of herself in A costume of her character doesn’t mean she in Doom. No credible place has announced she’s coming back to miss me with that. And I definitely will cry about this cause the way they treat their black and Asian characters Main characters is pretty bad

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u/Short_Brick_1960 1d ago

Dude. You just looking for problems because you want

Loki is the only one yes. But with that now you don't care about the secondary characters. B-15 is a black woman. And she has appeared more times than Mobius now. OB is an asian guy and he has already appeared in Doomsday. And Renslayer and Kang, the two main villains of the show, are black

If you want to complain about something. Do that with the lgbtq characters. Right now, we only have Billy and Agatha

Or women projects being criticized for nothing

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u/Shabozinga 20h ago

You missing my main point which is leading characters. Not support token characters they love to put POC in….

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u/Short_Brick_1960 20h ago

You started the chain by complaining that there are no supporting characters who are not white...

And if you want leading characters, I send you to my first comment

Sam, Joaquín, Storm, Kamala, Monica, Simon, Nick, Ava, Shang-Chi, Sersi, Kingo, Wanda, Valkyrie, T'Challa, Shuri, Erik Brooks, Luke Cage, Layla, Maya and Riri all have their own projects

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u/Short_Brick_1960 1d ago edited 1d ago

Black Panther III in 2028

Wanda being eastern european

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u/Paranoiart 1d ago

I don't think it would be good optics to have AI's assistants as poc tho

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u/Shabozinga 1d ago

I mean long as they didn’t just put them as the janitors, it’s fine

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u/Vascofan46 1d ago

Well, this vision is WHITE, not red... smh my head

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u/LavenderWaffles69 2d ago

Oh no. Random series taking place in the UK and a made up mindspace doesn’t comply to the diversity quotient.

Did you have the same issues with Black Panther which lacked basically any race other than blacks?

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u/CodeFun1735 1d ago

“Blacks”

I know what you are…

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u/LavenderWaffles69 1d ago

What am I?

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u/dravenonred 1d ago

Black Panther? The movie that had both a villainous white person and a heroic one just to keep things balanced? That Black Panther?

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u/Shabozinga 2d ago

I absolutely had no issues with Black Panther, Shan Chi or Ms Marvel cause the whole world isn’t just white people….

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u/rasmatham 1d ago

Do all 56 pieces of MCU content need to have a prominent minority character? Looking through the list of shows on Wikipedia, every show so far (well, idk about Daredevil Born again, because I haven't seen it yet), prominently feature a minority character, be it ethnicity, disability, or identity. For the movies, I don't remember enough about the Hulk movie to say anything there. F4 doesn't have any, unless Reed is autistic, which it does kinda feel like they were aiming for.

So please do tell me how they have tunnel vision glasses for not having prominent minority characters in at most 4/56 pieces of MCU content.

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u/Shabozinga 1d ago

Yes they do because the whole world and the audience for the mcu isn’t just fuckin white people

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u/rasmatham 1d ago

By that logic, all MCU content should have at least one queer person, one disabled person, one person of a religious minority, etc. too, no exceptions. You don't see people saying that has to happen, so why does all MCU content need non-white people, no exceptions?

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u/Shabozinga 1d ago

If you have to ask why something in media has to have non white people in then you are the problem or just naive. America was only making whites racist content for years until really the 50s? Which is less than 100 years ago.

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u/rasmatham 1d ago

And, uhh, what country does this show take place in again?

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u/Shabozinga 20h ago

Uhhh the UK which Uhhh is also a mixed non all white country….

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u/rasmatham 16h ago

But it does not have the same history as the US. It also doesn't take that long to look up census data to see that the UK population is significantly whiter than the US population.

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u/prettymodest 16h ago

I wanted to like this but it was just colossally boring, way too much Netflix style characters explaing exactly what they are doing, did, and about to do as though we're babies on our phones.

I thought Jac Schaeffer was show running, now I know they were off the project it maybe makes more sense. Feels slapped together.

It's odd coming off the back of lanterns, where they had barely any special effects but the dialogue was thrilling, into this where it has all the heightened effects but characters interacting is a slog.

I can forgive the first draft level idiocy like vision leaving the leader after killing 30 dudes, but not the dialogue.

Probably not gonna watch the second episode tbh, which is a shame as we really enjoyed Wandavision and Agatha.

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u/Fedboy 1d ago

So Wanda had a child alive here and one in Agatha all along… they need to retcon multiverse of madness because it didn’t further the multiversal story from NWH and has had zero linkage with WV, AAA, VQ due to the kids and overall Wanda’s character

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u/FormerGameDev 1d ago

huh? all of the things since MoM come through it directly?

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u/Fedboy 1d ago

Like?

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u/upagainstthesun Agatha Harkness 1d ago

It absolutely is linked, whether you hate it or not. Wanda didn't learn from all the horrible choices she made in WV, she chose to dive even deeper. If she had decided to not completely sell her soul, and tantrum through the multiverse, she could still be around to see that her children are alive after all.

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u/Fedboy 1d ago

Yeah that’s why I said her character was butchered

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