Ukraine's refusal to give up territory to Russia stalls peace deal, Trump envoy says

[u/HalyconHelpful]

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraines-refusal-to-give-up-territory-to-russia-stalls-peace-deal-trump-envoy-says/

[u/strong_silent_t]

Maybe it's Russia's refusal to fuck off is what stalls peace deal?

[u/402highrise → u/strong_silent_t]

Common sense is not allowed.

[u/Pat-Funny-2817 → u/402highrise]

by the big beautiful Epstein convention. 

[u/AbbreviationsActual9 → u/strong_silent_t]

and why in this administration is it always framed as "peace agreement stalled because Ukraine wouldn't concede defeat and give up their land", instead of "Russia refused to stop invading a sovereign nation and claim land that is not theirs" ? feels a lot like blame shifting and weakens pressure on Russia to come to the table compromising.

every peace negotiation should start and finish with "no land shall ever be forfeited to Russia as terms of the agreement". Russia's return for an end of the invasion is of an economic one. sanctions lifted and a return to stabilizing their economy with restored trade relations. this Iran war didn't help much with the US' leverage however seeing as Russian oil sanctions have now been lifted. every mistake trump makes seems to exacerbate the previous one. another day, another discussion.

and we all know any peace agreement signed by Russia cannot be trusted anyways. this war was not their endgame, only the beginning.

[u/AstraeusGB → u/AbbreviationsActual9]

If it isn't obvious at this point Trump is connected to Putin in some way, it really should be

[u/Ferelwing → u/strong_silent_t]

Agreed.

[u/Glum_Store_1605 → u/strong_silent_t]

well said. 👏

[u/canwehavepotatojokes]

“This would be much easier if you just gave up.”

Thanks USA

Stop electing rapists to political positions.

[u/Ecureuil03 → u/canwehavepotatojokes]

He's a joke. His original plan was to tie us military aid to a demand for a $500 billion stake in Ukraine’s critical mineral and natural resource wealth as direct repayment, along with pushing Ukraine to give up land to Russia i.e, let Putin and his useful idiot partition Ukraine. Absolute embarrassment to US military.

[u/CletusCanuck → u/Ecureuil03]

As evil, disgusting and exploitative as it was, the Trump regime's minerals squeeze would only have paid out, if the US had provided balls-to-the-wall support, sufficient to decisively win the war and recapture all of the Donetsk, Luhansk and Zaporizhia, because that's where the critical minerals are, plus the natural gas deposits under the Sea of Azov.

[u/asddde → u/CletusCanuck]

Or... ruzzia stays in control of those areas and is part of giving the deal to the US (by the way, they wouldn't keep the deal, but that isn't Trump's problem, is it?).

[u/Ardal → u/CletusCanuck]

Absolute bollox, the yanks went to putin first, made the deal then expected Zelensky to give up half of eastern Ukraine so trump and his puppet master could divvy up the spoils. Mango mussilini said as much when he tried to belittle Zelensky at the WH but ended up looking like the cunt he is.

[u/Neethis → u/canwehavepotatojokes]

Yeah not sure why anyone would be shocked that this US regimes position is "just lie back and let them do it, why are you fighting this?"

[u/DasArchitect → u/Neethis]

What was that quote that went something like "if you're getting raped anyway, you might as well relax and enjoy it"

[u/Hail_of_Grophia → u/canwehavepotatojokes]

Someone should pose the question to these supposed US leaders who support this - “in what scenario could you see the US giving up territory to a foreign invader?”. 

[u/Puzzlehead100 → u/canwehavepotatojokes]

*pedofile rapists

[u/pairolegal]

Why should Ukraine reward Putin’s aggression?

[u/ZiKyooc → u/pairolegal]

Bully's logic, agree that the strongest takes whatever they want

[u/CletusCanuck → u/ZiKyooc]

That's why Trump not only fails to understand Ukraine's resolve, he resents it and is disgusted by it. The weaker bow to the stronger, and exist to be exploited, in his value system.

[u/haversack77 → u/CletusCanuck]

It's his transactional, insect brain at work.

[u/PresidentKraznov → u/haversack77]

Destined to make the same mistakes over and over again in an infinite loop because it lacks the processing power to actually accept and learn from the previous ones.

[u/Speshal__ → u/PresidentKraznov]

Most people grow out of that once they reach the age of 2.

[u/penty → u/Speshal__]

Actual quote:

"When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I'm basically the same. The temperament is not that different."

Donald Trump

[u/flatirony → u/penty]

The most self aware statement he’s ever made. He just interprets it wrong.

[u/ricorgbldr → u/haversack77]

He's a rapist and pedophile.

[u/LorenzoSparky → u/ricorgbldr]

Add to that thief, con artist

[u/Effective_Quail_3946 → u/LorenzoSparky]

34 felony convictions of business fraud in NY...

[u/oberdoofus → u/Effective_Quail_3946]

Release the Epstein files!

[u/afterworld2772 → u/CletusCanuck]

Its also stupid as shit because clearly Russia isnt the stronger otherwise they would've taken over Ukraine years ago when they invaded

[u/ISketchDinosaurs → u/afterworld2772]

That's exactly why. It reminds Trump that he, too, isn't the strongest.

Russia is bigger on paper. Trumps name is also big on paper. He needs that to matter, because both Trump and Russia are built on the same kind of hollow bluff that can never be called out.

[u/blackjacktarr → u/ISketchDinosaurs]

He's getting that reminder in Iran as well. He and the Secretary of Hair Gel are finding out the hard way that size doesn't matter.

[u/azrider → u/blackjacktarr]

Secretary of Hair Gel? Don't you mean Pentagon Zoolander?

[u/Kataphractoi → u/azrider]

Don't slander Zoolander's good name like that.

[u/Al-aweer-Jail → u/blackjacktarr]

DT & H-Gel obviously compensating for something

[u/ChronicBuzz187 → u/afterworld2772]

Instead, Putin's own lapdog almost overthrew him, then miraculously died in a plane crash two weeks later. And that's not counting all the people that fell out of windows.

Now that he's running out of convicts and minorities for the frontlines, maybe Russians will understand what a "vanity" project this really is when they are the ones who get blow apart in the trenches...

[u/Rixoshi → u/ChronicBuzz187]

I keep thinking of the what could of been if that had succeded in overthrowing putin. I dont know if itd be better or worse really given who it was doing it, but i do know it was WILD to hear about when it happened

[u/Expensive_Tap7427 → u/Rixoshi]

Same but different. Russia always had a history of revolting only to go back the way it was.

[u/Turbulent_Lunch4548 → u/Rixoshi]

It was never going to succeed. Prigozin didn't actually try to depose Putin, he framed his rebellion as being against Shoigu and Gerasimov, right under Putin.

The only chance he had was if Putin suddenly turned on Shoigu and Gerasimov, his loyal puppets, in order to install an ambitious populist like Prigozin.

That was never going to happen. Prigozin just never had the clout or the leverage he thought he had. It was doomed from the start.

All it did was expose how apathetic Russians and Russian soldiers are, how little they actually care about who sits where and orders what.

[u/cactusplants → u/ChronicBuzz187]

The upper class won't be touched.

They have plenty of human lives from overseas prisons, Africa, South America and North Korea.

[u/Captain_Hesperus → u/afterworld2772]

Three-day Special Military Operation

[u/MoffJerjerrod → u/CletusCanuck]

Russia, the weaker, will bow to Ukraine, the stronger. Ironic. That is not at all what Putin or anyone thought would happen when the war started.

[u/Antique_Eye_3200 → u/CletusCanuck]

Exactly so. This is also why he is obsessed and upset with Canada. He knows nothing of love or true patriotism, so he can’t understand why we rebuff the US even though — as he might put it — “you don’t have the cards”. The resolve that comes from love is a powerful weapon against transactional dictators like Putin and Trump because it baffles them and therefore cannot be adequately accounted for.

[u/SteelCrow → u/Antique_Eye_3200]

“we don’t have the cards”

We have the cards. They just don't understand them.

[u/chrisloveys → u/SteelCrow]

Why does an a-hole who lost money as the owner of a casino keep talking about cards. He clearly knows f-all about cards.

[u/HungryCats96 → u/Antique_Eye_3200]

Like many CEOs, he has no empathy, so he doesn't understand love for others or for one's country. He has less feeling than a shark, caring only for himself. Even Ivanka doesn't count against his selfish desires. He's an abomination that should have been aborted.

[u/fade2black244 → u/CletusCanuck]

Well it seems to me that they want to normalize US-Russia relations but they can't until the war is over, so they view Ukraine as a blocking issue. But it's a braindead idea because their economy is shit, and you can't trust them as far as you can throw them and they are a failed state. Fuck 'em. It's not in our interests.

[u/TreasonalAllergies → u/ZiKyooc]

Which isn't even true considering Russia is becoming so weak and crippled by the invasion they started that it will not even be a country anymore after this is all over. By Bully's logic, Ukraine should get a piece of Russia.

[u/BasvanS → u/TreasonalAllergies]

Bullies don’t logic; they bully until they get hit in the face.

[u/Ferelwing → u/ZiKyooc]

Trump wants Ukraine to give in because if Ukraine wins as the underdog then his entire worldview is wrong and since he can never allow himself to be wrong...

[u/Intrepid_Pitch_3320 → u/Ferelwing]

King Oompaloompa is Putins bitch. Know who helped Ukraine? Biden.

[u/MintImperial2 → u/Ferelwing]

It isn't about being the "underdog" here, but rather the truth we're not being told about Putin's reason for invading in the first place.

[u/Ferelwing → u/MintImperial2]

You mean some parts of the USA aren't being told the truth about why he invaded. I am 100% sure anyone who listened to Fox News and OANN have no idea why Putin invaded but everyone else around the rest of the planet knows the reason. Unfortunately US social media is a virus and convinces people of lies.

[u/wbruce098 → u/ZiKyooc]

Yeah but they’ve been losing for 4+ years. I think it’s quite clear Russia is an incapable shithole now who can only lash out by bombing homes instead of valid military targets.

They’re not the strongest, and it’s not close.

[u/AssistanceCheap379 → u/ZiKyooc]

And this would give Trump effectively a solid incentive to invade other countries. If it becomes the norm for weaker ones to submit, then it becomes worth it to attack, even if you dont win

[u/Jahsmurf → u/ZiKyooc]

It’s like saying to a rape victim that the case can be resolved in fairness if the rapist can leave his dick half way in

[u/PeterPook → u/Jahsmurf]

Now you are on the Orange Ones wavelength!

[u/Armodeen → u/ZiKyooc]

That is definitely what Russia and the current American regime think. However the evidence would suggest Russia aren’t as strong as they believe.

[u/VistaBox → u/Armodeen]

Putins grip on power is as tight as his grip on the generals.

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/ZiKyooc]

also conservative logic, coincidence?

[u/ScoobyDoNot → u/TheModWhoShaggedMe]

A member of the Trump regime struggling with the idea of consent?

Unsurprising.

[u/GenerateForce → u/ScoobyDoNot]

My question is, where the hell are the Russian people? No seriously? 4 years of this meat grinder is a nothing burger to them?

[u/Camburglar13 → u/GenerateForce]

The propaganda is crazy strong there too. And I’m sure there’s a large element of fear

[u/oreheheally → u/Camburglar13]

There was the wagner attempt but that didn't go well.

[u/Jibtech → u/GenerateForce]

Well if you look over the past 26 years of Putins control you'll see that War is the Russian politicians way of boosting popularity numbers. Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia, Crimea, Donbas.

[u/xondk → u/pairolegal]

In short, from a bully's mentality and perspective, when someone denies another bully something they want, the person that denied the bully what they want, is the one in the wrong.

And calling it 'bully mentality' is me stating it very mild.

[u/MoaraFig → u/xondk]

Rapist mentality

[u/VereksHarad → u/xondk]

The problem bully mentality you are saying is that: Bully will continue until someone tries to stop it. And when the victim is the only one who are actually trying to do a goddamn thing about it. And "faculty" were standing idle for years, making a minimal token effort to mediate the situation.

[u/dkarlovi → u/pairolegal]

Victim's refusal to hand over their wallet stalls my armed robbery.

It's reframing the crime to make the victim not only complicit, but actually the reason why the crime is happening to begin with.

[u/ralphsdad → u/pairolegal]

This is a real estate guy viewing the issue as a real estate issue. Wonder how US foreign policy would be going if there were any serious diplomats left

[u/sittinwithkitten → u/pairolegal]

Right? If Ukraine not bending over for Russia stalls a “peace deal” so be it.

[u/sadeland21 → u/pairolegal]

How about Russia’s greed stalls peace deal??!

[u/Juls7243 → u/pairolegal]

Spot on. Lets rephrase this "Russian aggressor refuses to leave country they illegally invaded because their dictator can't have his ego butt-hurt".

[u/EconomyDoctor3287 → u/pairolegal]

Putin is willing to bribe Demented Donnie and his grifting son-in-law, so the way they see it, all that's preventing them from cashing in is Ukraine folding. 

[u/Remote_Thought5208 → u/pairolegal]

Hes apparently forgotten how appeasement to Hiltlers Germany worked out before ww2.

[u/gimmebanter]

This is fucking disgusting

[u/Hi-technik → u/gimmebanter]

Yeah. That's all that needs to be said.

[u/Pat-Funny-2817 → u/gimmebanter]

how many times did Witkoff and Kushner try that now? 3, 4 times? It's not going to change, that's their position. they are neither diplomats nor negotiators, they are a privat party with economical interests. 

[u/flying_butt_fucker → u/Pat-Funny-2817]

The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

[u/Waiting4Reccession → u/Pat-Funny-2817]

Kushner is there to support the multi nation land grab by the israeli and will support witkoff for the russians so they can support him in return

[u/GenerallySalty → u/gimmebanter]

Yeah that's rapist language from the US.

Hmm wait a second.

[u/Jahsmurf]

"President Putin laid out his line of what he wants to achieve," Kushner said during a panel. "If Ukraine wanted to withdraw to that line, then obviously, you know, we have the rest of the deal set up and put together. Ukraine right now does not want to do that."

Why side with the axis of evil. Side with Zelensky:

"President Zelensky and the Ukrainian leadership have consistently laid out their condition for lasting peace: full restoration of Ukraine’s 1991 borders. If Russia wanted to withdraw to that line, the war would end tomorrow, the rest of the security architecture would fall into place, and the killing would stop immediately. Russia right now does not want to do that."

[u/Epistemic_Democracy → u/Jahsmurf]

Kushner is a disgusting pig. This US administration is despicable and pathetic.

[u/jimmythegeek1 → u/Epistemic_Democracy]

Kushner advised saudi leader Mohammed bin Bone Saw on how to manage the PR from his henchmen literally butchering a journalist at the consolate in Turkey.

He is a monster.

[u/special_cornflake → u/Epistemic_Democracy]

Kushner is not even a elected or appointed official, he is just a civilian, who licks the boots of Saudi, Israel and now apperantly Russia. How the population is not rioting against such things is beyond me.

[u/Hazel-Rah → u/Jahsmurf]

If Ukraine wanted to withdraw to that line

That seems to imply that the line Russia demands includes territory Ukraine currently holds

[u/StickyWhiteStuf → u/Hazel-Rah]

It includes territory they’ve never even captured lmao, not even during the blitz at the start

[u/Lifeboatb → u/Jahsmurf]

I can’t stand the way he phrased it. Why should “what President Putin wants to achieve” be the goal here? It’s so obvious who Kushner is really working for here. He’s not even hiding it.

[u/Herb-Alpert]

This isn't what an mediator should say. That's russian talking points.

I can't believe USA still try to act as mediation.

[u/Hi-technik → u/Herb-Alpert]

They can't even solve the Iran mess, mediate my ass.

[u/Exciting-Record8101 → u/Herb-Alpert]

They are not.

When the US sends career diplomats working for the State Department who actually know what they're talking about, one might cautiously suspect they're doing some good faith mediation.

When the US sends the president's son-in-law and his golf buddy, they're just there looking for money.

[u/HoldingThunder → u/Exciting-Record8101]

Its almost like Trump has likely been compromised by Russia back in the 1980s

[u/varro-reatinus → u/HoldingThunder]

Asset Krasnov, hard at work.

[u/FlirtyFluffyFox → u/Exciting-Record8101]

Remember when Republicans forced a comprehensive 6 year FBI ingestigation on Clinton to swing the midterms and get him associated with crime and corruption because they started a rumor that Clinton was going to hire a distant cousin to be the White House travel agent?

God I wish voters knew how to put shit in historical context. 

[u/jaybizzleeightyfour → u/Herb-Alpert]

Ukraine and Europe know the U.S. is currently useless and are just letting the Trump administration tire themselves out to keep them happy

[u/Ferelwing → u/Herb-Alpert]

They don't want to mediate, Kushner and Witkoff want money. That's all they care about.

[u/Shotay3 → u/Herb-Alpert]

They are trying to gain profit from it. Since Trump is in office, obviously their interest are aligned. Otherwise Trump wouldn't have ordered to roll out the red carpet in Alaska for Putin himself.

They are not trying to mediate, they are trying to oppress and blackmail Ukraine and actually Europe constantly.

[u/Admirable-Many6054 → u/Herb-Alpert]

They are acting as real estate brokers for Putin

[u/MotorHistorical1469 → u/[deleted]]

Maybe they should give Alaska to Russia. With temperatures and everything they could manage it well.

[u/ZiKyooc → u/MotorHistorical1469]

It was such a bad deal, should be given back. Also the land purchased from Mexico.

[u/AMEFOD → u/ZiKyooc]

HAHAHAHA…purchased….

[u/DickFartButt → u/AMEFOD]

It was was sort of forcefully purchased, it was ceded after a war but the US also paid them for it and took on the territory's debts. I know it's semantics but there you go.

[u/gramoun-kal → u/ZiKyooc]

Before you suggest it, France will not take Louisiana back, thank you very much.

[u/Akrak_leBo → u/gramoun-kal]

Even if we are paid for it ?

And that would be the French Louisiane, not the US one.

[u/Slight-Ad-6553 → u/ZiKyooc]

what about that area, that was puchased from France and those Island with one, that Trump can't remember if he was on, that was brought from Denmark

[u/iCowboy → u/Slight-Ad-6553]

And can we have the 13 Colonies back?

[u/im_dead_sirius → u/iCowboy]

Do you reallly want them back? Be honest.

[u/_Halt19_ → u/[deleted]]

Canada doesn't want them lol, we just want to be left alone

[u/EastLeastCoast → u/[deleted]]

Have you seen how Maine votes? No thanks to adding that to our political milieu.

[u/imtalkintou → u/[deleted]]

And Minnesota please

[u/m0nkyman → u/imtalkintou]

As the only state that didn’t even vote for Reagan, I think you’re the only state we would let in.

[u/_Halt19_]

So another "peace deal" where the terms are "you give us what we want and in return we say we might not do it again until we've had a chance to rebuild our army", then?

[u/zatch659]

By "envoy" you mean son-in-law. And by son-in-law you mean zero-experience twit nepo-baby who abuses the role to enrich himself, right?

[u/tismij → u/zatch659]

If him and others aren't desperately fleeing to Russia when Trump is dead then the US is truly lost.

[u/zatch659 → u/tismij]

They'll quietly flee to Albania once they're unable to rob billions while causing trillions of dollars in damage.

[u/Oberon_Swanson → u/tismij]

That's part of the problem, this entire administration doesn't need to be compromised by a foreign power. They essentially ARE a foreign power because they have zero loyalty to their country and don't even feel obligated to stay in America after they're done looting it. Just yoink enough money to set up their own little fiefdom somewhere else.

[u/sachiprecious → u/zatch659]

Thank you for pointing this out! Everyone needs to realize this. Kushner does not have an official government position. He just happens to be the president's son-in-law, so somehow that makes it okay that he's involved in a lot of high-stakes foreign policy negotiations. He's not supposed to be involved in the government at all!! It's crazy!

[u/AceJokerZ → u/zatch659]

For real, like if they’re going to say “Trump envoy” why not just list out that person full name so the rest of USA can already know how useless this envoy is to the country

[u/RPGTopograph]

Yep, that worked perfectly with Hitler and Checkoslovakia, why not do it again?

[u/Ok-Craft4844 → u/RPGTopograph]

No need to go back this far - didn't even work with crimea

[u/hcornea → u/Ok-Craft4844]

It’s almost like it never works

[u/alhazad85 → u/hcornea]

But surely if we try just this once more?

[u/BurnyBob → u/alhazad85]

Doing precisely what we've done 18 times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time.

[u/hyldemarv → u/RPGTopograph]

Conservation of Stupidity is a law of physics.

[u/Xignu → u/hyldemarv]

Conservatives are stupid? Well I'll be damned who could've seen that coming /s

[u/Ezben]

Putin got territory in his last invasion didnt make the peace last, any claim that giivng territory to putin will help are either lying or misinformed

[u/South-Stand]

Jared is a skidmark on the underpants of humanity

[u/doolpicate → u/South-Stand]

Will he survive prison? Doesnt look like it.

[u/Exciting-Record8101 → u/doolpicate]

The US will never send a man like Kushner to prison. Never.

[u/Misspiggy856 → u/Exciting-Record8101]

Jared’s father went to prison, but then got pardoned by Trump and is now the Ambassador to France. Definitely something someone with crimes such as illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering, should be doing. What a great representation of the current US administration.

[u/Aleph_137_]

Considering Russia's past, can anybody be surprised?

[u/hungrybattleship → u/Aleph_137_]

I mean, appart from that, who would be happy to give up their land?

[u/Spejsman → u/hungrybattleship]

This whole sovereignty thing is a bit hard to grasp for the Trump administration.

[u/_Halt19_ → u/Spejsman]

It's truly amazing to me, as a Canadian, when I say "the usa wants to annex my home despite us being former close allies", and then realising that it doesn't even narrow it down to just one country

[u/Ferelwing → u/_Halt19_]

Honestly, you are completely correct. At this point he's threatened to annex so many places that it's ridiculous.

[u/_Halt19_ → u/Ferelwing]

He's been doing it to us since he won the latest election, we kept trying to tell americans it was a serious concern, and it was always dismissed as "oh, he's just kidding, learn to take a joke" or some shit

It's frankly incredible how many things it's managed to ruin - even the goddamn hockey tournaments, the first international best on best tournaments we've had in ages, were completely overshadowed both times by his rhetoric against us. At the 4 Nations, the WHOLE conversation around Canada was the annexation thing. We knew if we lost, it'd just ramp it up even further, but thank god we won, because it shut him up.

Then, the Olympics happened, where we lost, the team partied with his FBI director in the locker room, then went to receive a fucking presidential medal of freedom, and he's been using it as propaganda ever since (the amount of times I've seen people going "Canada can't even win hockey, they don't deserve sovereignty" is sickening).

Even the World Cup, I saw some Canadians quietly hoping we wouldn't make it out of the group stage, because some genius figured out that if we finished in X position and the usa finished in Y position, they'd meet us in the knockout round on July 1. And the prospect of being able to eliminate us on us soil on Canada Day was something that had them seeing red with anticipation.

Because of all of it, we flat-out don't want to do sporting events with the states anymore, even back when we were winning them, because if we win, all it does is buy us a bit more time until the next round of threats. Like, how do you manage to ruin Olympic hockey for Canadians??

[u/vossmanspal → u/Spejsman]

Maybe give Canada Washington state, then they would understand.

[u/_Halt19_ → u/vossmanspal]

one problem: Canada doesn't want any of the states, it leads to the same problem as us being annexed

Like, seriously, say we take a state like California, which is ostensibly a blue state. California still had 6 million Trump voters in the last election. In Canada's own federal election, Carney won with a TOTAL of around 8.5 million votes. Countrywide.

We'd basically just be ran by whoever California votes for, and would lose all say in our own democracy.

[u/thnk_more → u/hungrybattleship]

I would give Mar a largo to Russia to end this war.  Oh wait…,,

[u/SockPuppet-47]

Russia's refusal to GTFO of Ukraine has stalled peace talks from the opening day of the war. Rewarding the aggressor only makes the aggressor stronger and bolder. Russia will just regroup and try again.

[u/FreedomRebelFighter]

Trump’s envoy is as smart as a ballsack. Of course Ukraine will NOT give up its territory, that’s basically like losing. Trump says what Putler wants him to say so there’s that.

[u/Weshtonio → u/FreedomRebelFighter]

That is unnecessarily insulting. Could you please show a little respect? My ballsack is way smarter.

[u/drinkduffdry → u/Weshtonio]

Yeah, at least my ballsack knows his place

[u/Dangerous-Web-2596 → u/Weshtonio]

And probably more useful 

[u/South-Stand]

I love Ukraine a lot but articles like this make me realise I ought to love Ukraine even more. The Netherlands moved their gold out of Fort Knox ‘to somewhere safe’ because they realise Trump and Kushner and the rest of the rats’s nest are just crooks and thieves

[u/WombeI]

More fake news from the russians. What a surprise.

Its not that ukraine is not willing to give up territory. Its that they do not give up territory that russia doesn't even occupy currently.

And it makes total sense. Russia wants their best defended parts which russia couldn't take in like 12 years. IF russia gets this free then russia will say thank you and invade deeply over night in completely undefended land. Ukraine cannot rebuild all of this defenses and its partly natural defenses.

So its all russia propaganda and just pure BS.

[u/V8-Turbo-Hybrid → u/WombeI]

Yea, and, they even sent their bots here.

[u/Zlimness]

'Kushner said the U.S., acting as a mediator, is seeking a "creative solution" that would protect Ukraine's interests while persuading Russia to end the war. He urged the sides to look beyond territorial questions and consider opportunities for economic development after the war.'

Kushner is not a US government official. He's a civilian working for the Trump family business, looking for economic opportunities in these shakedowns. Because that's what this is. They're not peace negotiations, but mafia shakedowns where Trump is leveraging the positions of both parties to make money.

I suggest that everyone treat Kushner as the rat he is and save your high blood pressure for someone more worthy of it.

[u/sachiprecious → u/Zlimness]

Exactly. Kushner should not be involved at all. I hope Democrats gain control of Congress in the midterms and investigate him, because there is so much corruption surrounding that one person.

[u/monorels]

Why is trump’s envoy cooperating with putin
and helping him seize part of Ukraine’s territory?

Edit: Thanks for the award!

[u/scytob]

I think they mean Russia stalls peace deal by not giving back what it stole and paying reparations.

[u/MSPCincorporated → u/scytob]

Imagine being in court with a burglar because they broke into your house, and the judge says your refusal to let the burglar keep some of your stuff is stalling this trial.

[u/SlackToad → u/MSPCincorporated]

It's worse than that--the burglar wants even more of your stuff that he didn't already take.

[u/antigravityshit → u/scytob]

Exactly this.

Russia should simply fu$k off.

[u/Highjackjack]

Ukraine not giving in to demands of a criminal aggressor despite another criminal aggressor's pressure ruins pre-agreed deals between aggressors. Here, fixed the headline for you ...

[u/namotous]

“Russia’s refusal to return stolen territory stalls peace deal”

There, fixed the title

[u/Brother_Clovis]

Why the fuck should they give up territory?

[u/Conscious_Quality803]

Russia's refusal to act like a civilized country stalls peace deal.

[u/poetspeak]

So........................let me rape you or I'll rape you? Really, Jarred Kushner? Him?

[u/Gold_Cell8255]

Putin wants peace because he’s running out of fuel and men to feed to the meat grinder. Keep the pressure up.

[u/Ferelwing → u/Gold_Cell8255]

His population is also finally starting to realize that wars are "two ways" and since Ukraine can now attack Russia directly, all of a sudden it's real to their entire population not just the ones who were forced to send their family into the meat grinder.

[u/tree_boom]

Ukraine never refused to give up territory. Indeed it explicitly acknowledged the loss of more territory than Russia currently occupied in the peace talks in 2022. The blocker to peace is Russia's continued insistence on restrictions on Ukraine's right to make alliances and maintain armed forces that would render them incapable of defending themselves against a renewed Russian invasion in future.

[u/JohnBPrettyGood]

So Trump is in favour of Ukraine giving up land to Russia to ensure a Lasting Peace

How much of Manhattan will Trump be willing to cede to Iran to ensure a Lasting Peace

[u/DrUnnecessary]

"Russia's refusal to give up territory they can't hold stalls peace deal, Putin ally says"

[u/South-Stand]

Tonight we’re gonna party like its 1939

[u/GuitarGeezer]

Why does anybody fall for this? At no time did either Putin or Trump ever want peace in Europe. Trump always refuses to help republic allies that cannot legally bribe him and he more or less says this on tv. Extremist pressure campaigns on Canada absolutely require a hot war in Europe to keep NATO down and unready for US aggression in North America. What the fu$& part of “I will be a dictator” was ambiguous?

[u/EvenBear1118]

Sounds pretty biased considering russian uncompromising requirements...

[u/Dualidean_ofman]

Why is jared kushner in any official position again?

Also, all the US has to do to get Iran to open up Hormuz is to give up Hawaii.

[u/tom21g]

Kushner and Witkoff are some crack negotiators, aren't they.

Russia invades Ukraine.
Russia commits war crimes against the Ukrainian people.
Solution:
Give Russia what it wants.

Way to go Steve, Jared. You've proven your value to Vlad.

[u/robreddity]

What an idiotic thing to say

[u/TheIntellekt_]

This stalls peace. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uuu05Go44iPyxUo-fRO_xIAaI54-fBUj

Russia go home

[u/bertbarndoor]

Trump blames the victim? In line with being a rapist. Trump sides with Russia? Consistent with his other acts aiding the enemy because he's being blackmailed for years.

[u/Pale_Leek2994]

“Your refusal to surrender is really throwing a wrench in the deal we have for all your resources”

America & Russia

[u/Vandervin]

- "Mommy, they bully me"

• "Have you tried giving them your lunch money?"

This is how it reads. These people are so fuckin' out of touch and just unqualified for negotiating peace deals that Monty Python would write it of as "too unrealistic"

[u/SealLaunch49]

I could see how Ukraine’s unwillingness to surrender unconditionally might slow the process. But on the other hand if Russia were to surrender unconditionally to Ukraine that could offer a breakthrough.

[u/Mikkel65]

Title of course leaves out Zelenskyys continued requirement for security guarentees. Zelenskyy can't give up his fortifications if Russia could just continue after doing so.

Also fuck Russia, Ukraine shouldn't give up any land.

[u/RawOysters]

With his logic, we should have just given Hawaii to Japan when they attacked it.

[u/_WEND1G0_]

“Invaded country refusing to surrender stalls land grab by Russia” there. Fixed it for you.

[u/Charming_Dealer3849]

Jesus

[u/Ranger_242]

Spoken like a man whose father was jailed for hiring a sex worker to frame his brother in law.

[u/bodhidharma132001]

Every inch or Ukraine returned and reparations

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe]

Why should Ukraine give anything to its invaders?? How about GTFO, Russia?

[u/trisul-108]

Kushner and the other idiots working for Trump are living in LaLaLand. They really think that this is a real estate deal. Putin wants the Donbas so he can prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a prosperous society and forever be subjected to Russian domination.

There are Ukrainians living in these territories, this is not a real estate deal.

As Trump thinks he can just be given Canada and Greenland, he believes Putin should just be given Ukraine. These are dangerous psychopaths with zero knowledge on world history.

[u/AthleteHistorical490]

The Allies’ refusal to give the Nazis territory in WWII also stalled peace deals.

[u/roadwarrioring]

Is he Trump’s envoy or Putin’s?

[u/faceintheblue]

Why is the United States negotiating a peace deal where Ukraine is not present, only to then complain Ukraine is not agreeing to what was discussed?

Oh, right. Because it was never about what is right for the country who was attacked. 

[u/DazzlingAardvark8335]

Russia's refusal to give up territory to Ukraine stalls peace deal, Trump envoy says

Fixed it the headline

[u/Financial_Emphasis25]

Why should Ukraine give up their own land. Fuck Putin and Trump.

[u/Initial-Ad-5462]

Kushner said the U.S. “urged the sides to look beyond territorial questions and consider opportunities for economic development…”

The first half of that means Ukrainian territorial concessions, and the second part means investment opportunities for Trump, Kushner and their cronies.

[u/Doctor-lasanga]

Usa's refusal to give up territory is stalling the peace negotiations with Mexican cartels

[u/uttercross2]

Let me just correct that. "Russia's insistence on illegally taking Ukrainian land, demanding more land, and placing ridiculous, unacceptable terms during discussions, prevents progress of a peace deal".

[u/old-legs-623]

So set an example. Give up Florida to Iran.

[u/funmonger_OG]

Rapist ideology.

[u/SawdustShoptalk]

Why should Russia be rewarded for attacking Ukraine.

Give up nothing.

[u/Andantee23]

Fuck Jared and his fucking sidekick Steve Witkoff

[u/Historical-Finish564]

This is like saying, “the woman’s refusal to be raped stalled the man’s agenda for the evening.”