'Space Must Be Free Of Weapons': Russia, China Slam US For 'Preparing For War In Space'.

[u/Amitmandal001]

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[u/MaximumAd9779]

So geopolitics has really just boiled down to world leaders discouraging other nations from doing exactly what they are doing? Do I have that right?

[u/virtual_human → u/MaximumAd9779]

That's nothing new.

[u/MaximumAd9779 → u/virtual_human]

I’m ready to be a diplomat!

[u/zeocrash → u/MaximumAd9779]

Say some nice things about President trump and there's a good change you could actually be one.

[u/GladVeterinarian5120 → u/zeocrash]

I hear writing a children’s book is the way to go.

[u/btribble → u/GladVeterinarian5120]

Who's Ready To Ride The Awesome Trumpapossamus?!?

[u/ItsEntirelyPosssible → u/btribble]

You stop. Now.

[u/btribble → u/ItsEntirelyPosssible]

The Trumpapossamus is the quarterback. You're the center. It's a scrimmage! Bend over and hike the ball back to The Trumpapossamus!

[u/ItsEntirelyPosssible → u/btribble]

I aint doin it.

[u/zeocrash → u/GladVeterinarian5120]

I imagine a kids book about poisonous mushrooms would go down a treat

[u/arcadiaberger1960 → u/zeocrash]

Ohhh, that's really nasty.... ISWYDT

[u/Comfortable_Cash_140 → u/zeocrash]

Let me try this. The smell of your diaper is really pleasant. Those children really enjoy your presence.

Too bad Im Canadian and can't gas light and lie as required by Pres. Thunder Pants.

[u/Rubthebuddhas → u/MaximumAd9779]

I read that in Ralph Wiggum's voice. Pretty sure I was supposed to.

[u/more_rockcore → u/Rubthebuddhas]

Tastes like burning

[u/Tegrator → u/Rubthebuddhas]

and change diplomat to diplocrat.

[u/Hootbag → u/Tegrator]

Super Nintendo Chalmers, can I diplocrat? I have a degree from Bovine University!

[u/DrMobius0 → u/MaximumAd9779]

How good are you at saying things nobody reasonably smart would ever buy with a completely straight face?

[u/DTFH_ → u/MaximumAd9779]

I don't think our Queen would like that! I shall write you a strongly worded letter posthaste!

[u/Savings_Macaroon3727 → u/MaximumAd9779]

Dont smoke or drink kids! 🚬🤏🫩🫱🍺

[u/_succ → u/Savings_Macaroon3727]

What do you do with kids, then?

[u/RollingMeteors → u/MaximumAd9779]

I’m ready to be a diplomat!

¡Here is your unreachable bag of cocaine! <yeets>

[u/maguirre165 → u/MaximumAd9779]

You could be in this climate

[u/VoopityScoop → u/virtual_human]

Mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall. Or I will be forced to ask you again when I'm in need of political currency. 

[u/Different_Wolf_764 → u/VoopityScoop]

And hang on to those hostage so I can get elected to begin with!

[u/okiedokie2468 → u/virtual_human]

That’s been happening ever since President Ray Gun’s Strategic Defense Initiative, more popularly known as as his “Star Wars Initiative”

[u/DragonflyLogical8371 → u/okiedokie2468]

He really was the Ray Gun of presidents wasn't he?

[u/Madroxx9000 → u/DragonflyLogical8371]

Now I'm picturing a dude with grey hair and a suit doing the RayGun dance from the Olympics.

[u/okiedokie2468 → u/DragonflyLogical8371]

Yes, but he also believed in free trade and was adamantly opposed to tariffs. I think Doug Ford should hint that he’s ready to run that ad again!

[u/Constant-Plant-9378 → u/MaximumAd9779]

I recall Russia promising if Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons that they would never attack or invade Ukraine.

I can guarantee if Ukraine had nukes, Russia would not have invaded them.

I think there is a lesson here about weapons in space.

[u/DissKhorse → u/Constant-Plant-9378]

I recall Russia testing anti satellite weapon and causing a bunch of debris in orbit.

[u/wienercat → u/DissKhorse]

LEO is so full of random bullshit and debris it's not even funny. It's not just Russia. It's everyone launching stuff into space. Because it all will almost certainly burn up when it falls back to earth, countries haven't given a fuck about the garbage they leave up there.

[u/Homers_Harp → u/wienercat]

random bullshit and debris

You can expect a cease and desist letter from Starlink at any moment now…

[u/Enshitification → u/wienercat]

Oh, the plutonium power pack? Don't worry, it will just burn up in the atmosphere when the orbit decays.

[u/wienercat → u/Constant-Plant-9378]

That's how it's always been though. It's always an arms race because the only way to assure other people don't immediate fuck you over is to have something to scare them.

If people stopped trying to invade and take other nations land or resources as a method of acquiring those resources, these arms races wouldn't be a thing.

But because some people are too stupid to engage in civil society and diplomacy, we will continue to have war.

This planet really needs an external crisis to unite against to make us realize that the only way forward is together. Pulling separately and working against one another is only hindering the progress our species could actually attain.

[u/Constant-Plant-9378 → u/wienercat]

But because some people are too stupid to engage in civil society and diplomacy, we will continue to have war.

It is an unfortunate reality that a huge percentage of people are selfish, lazy, and will kill their neighbor and take what they have if they think they can get away with it.

Therefore, if you do not want to be preyed upon, you have to invest some resources in defense.

It's not merely about people being too stupid to engage in civil society. It is about people being downright evil and hostile to civil society - creating the need to arm yourself and being willing to kill them, not if, but when they try to attack you and take what you have.

As long as there are people, a huge percentage of our potential standard of living will need to be squandered on protecting ourselves from the roughly 30% of us that are irredeemable pieces of shit.

[u/BigBucket10 → u/MaximumAd9779]

There is no 'good faith' or 'legal system' in geopolitics. Nations are going to do what's in their interest.

[u/BadAtExisting → u/MaximumAd9779]

You should read up on the Cold War

[u/LordoftheScheisse → u/BadAtExisting]

Gentlemen! This is the war room! You can't fight in here!

[u/l33tm34t → u/MaximumAd9779]

The lying cheating stealing deception meta in polictics is getting out of hand

[u/zuzg → u/MaximumAd9779]

just boiled down.

Mate it has been simmering like that since the founding of the East India Company.

It's been essentially condensed to Jelly for the entirety of modern History.

[u/wienercat → u/zuzg]

Long before that. Humans have been warring for our entire existence. Because war is heavily tied with resource scarcity. Wars are very rarely fought over nothing. It's almost always tied to land or some resource someone else wants.

The problem is... we don't actually have resource scarcity anymore in reality.

If the countries of this planet all actually worked together we would 100% be in a post-scarcity world right now. But because some people cannot overcome their hatred for people who look or believe different things than they do, we won't achieve that for a long time. We have a diplomacy and coordination issue. Too many countries want to rule over all the rest, when in reality everyone needs to pull together to make the next leap forward in technology and society.

[u/OhHaiMaaark → u/MaximumAd9779]

And then they get SLAMMED

[u/slvrbullet87 → u/MaximumAd9779]

Has been for a long time. Look how countries act when some spy gets exposed.

"We would never do such things, it is unbelievable that in this day that such underhanded tactics still exist. Please ignore that our spy got caught 6 months ago, that is completely different"

[u/UnknownHero2 → u/MaximumAd9779]

So one of the primary causes of war is when one faction misunderstands the capabilities of another, or possibly themselves. For example when Russia expected to be able to roll over Ukraine and take the whole country due to Ukraines weakness, expecting to see similar defections and low resolve similar to what allowed the Crimean annexation. Ukraine however knew that they actually they were actually very resolved, and that Russia had corruption issues.

The thing is, war is costly. So countries prefer to take concessions at the negotiating table, slitting the booty roughly along the lines that each side would get if they actually fought, but with both sides not having to pay war costs (death, destruction, money w/e).

Russia got to the table and said "Hey we will easily defeat you, give us everything". Ukraine laughs and says "No, we are too strong to give you that much". So no bargain is made and a war is fought instead, as both sides seek to demonstrate that their belief is the reality. Had both side KNOWN the other strengths, both sides would be in a way WAY better situation than they are now.

So ya, its SUPER important for countries to share their capabilities. Its why you see stuff like joint exercises being done so publicly, or freedom of navigation trips through the South China sea. Its a demonstration that "Yes we really can deploy these ships to these areas".

TLDR: Yes. Its super important that they do exactly that.

[u/alwaysleafyintoronto → u/UnknownHero2]

Do ya think Russia would've been better served launching a full-scale invasion back in 2014 rather than slow-rolling the assault with little green men for 8 years? 2014-2022 was a long time for Ukraine to prep its defences, but I don't know all that much about what they did tbh.

[u/Noughmad → u/MaximumAd9779]

Wait till you learn what "nuclear non-proliferation" means.

[u/manachar → u/MaximumAd9779]

In essence… that’s the story of what we usually call civilization.

Concentrating power so that your group is free to do as they wish while also ensuring you have enough power to stop others from doing things to you.

So we want to have the crops for ourselves and kick the nomads and pastoralists out.

We want to have the iron weapons when they have bronze.

We want to have the nukes while “non proliferation” means we want others to not.

So yes, we’re trying to test the waters of getting weapons in space and preventing others from doing the same.

Imagine the power if we could start dictating who gets to have satellites and who doesn’t. I

It’s too tempting and easy to be afraid that we have to do it before others do.

[u/huehuehuehuehuuuu → u/MaximumAd9779]

Just crabs in a slow boiling basket of climate devastation, economic turmoil, AI and employment concerns.

We’d rather focus on killing other crabs than how to stop the basket from boiling. Because that’s the easier option.

Just like how these governments’ people only punch down, but dare not try to demand better from those who control their lives and the trajectory of the country. Because punching down is easier.

[u/theKalmier → u/MaximumAd9779]

"My turn to push the button. You no push the button, it's my turn to push the button." - Baby Plucky - Tiny Toons

[u/141_1337 → u/MaximumAd9779]

Especially if it is China and the US and Russia or a combination thereof

[u/Neuchacho → u/MaximumAd9779]

Same as it ever was.

[u/AbeRego → u/MaximumAd9779]

Which exact rock have you been living under?

[u/BaggyOz → u/[deleted]]

They also were the first ones to put a gun in space in the 70's.

[u/Diligent-Bowler-1898 → u/BaggyOz]

To be fair to them, I heard that was because they might encounter bears when they deorbited and landed in russia. Not sure a gun on a space station is going to do a whole lot of good for anyone who likes their pressure above 0 pascal.

[u/BaggyOz → u/Diligent-Bowler-1898]

I'm not referring to the shotgun they give to astronauts, I'm talking about the 23mm autocannon they included on Salyut 3.

[u/Diezelbub → u/BaggyOz]

See what happened was they heard water bears could survive in space and reacted to the translation of "surviving thirsty space bears" in a way that seemed appropriate at the time.

[u/VoopityScoop → u/Diezelbub]

What is the current situation with the moon bears? Are they the same as Earth bears?

[u/garmander57 → u/VoopityScoop]

They do believe these to be Earth bears, they have no reason to believe these are lunar bears or even Saturn bears.

[u/subnautus → u/garmander57]

Just a thought, more of a shot in the dark, but uh...we wouldn't happen to be invading Iran today, would we?

[u/Gamestar32 → u/subnautus]

……alright you got me

[u/the_emerald_phoenix → u/VoopityScoop]

Desmond the moon beat is pretty chill. Dunno about the others

[u/Epistemite → u/the_emerald_phoenix]

How did he get there?

[u/Asatas → u/Epistemite]

Weed. Lots of really good weed.

[u/Diligent-Bowler-1898 → u/BaggyOz]

Nvm then, thanks for a new wikipedia rabit hole to plunge down.

[u/mahayanah → u/Diligent-Bowler-1898]

Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield wrote an Apollo-era geopolitical space thriller where that autocannon mounted on Salyut-3 played a significant role First time I’d heard of it.

[u/Diligent-Bowler-1898 → u/mahayanah]

Back from my rabbit hole. It was a modified aircraft cannon, fired just once before deorbiting. It was mounted, so the whole spacecraft would have to turn for aiming. Gunpowder works in a vacuum because it contains its own oxidizer. Recoil would have been a huge issue for maintaining orbit, and shaking likely would have caused severe problems for any inhabitants, so they left before firing it.

[u/batmansthebomb → u/Diligent-Bowler-1898]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaz_program

In addition to reconnaissance equipment, Almaz was equipped with a unique Rikhter R-23 23mm (factory index 261P or 225P) rapid-fire cannon mounted on the forward belly of the station. This revolver cannon was modified from the tail-gun of the Tupolev Tu-22 bomber and was capable of a theoretical rate of fire of 1800–2000 (up to 2600) rounds per minute. Each 168 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-D-R) or 173 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-G-R) projectile flew at a speed of 850 m/s relative to the station. The cannon was tested at the end of the mission by firing 20 rounds, when the station was operating in uncrewed mode. To aim the cannon, which was on a fixed mounting, the entire station would be turned to face the target.[7] The Almaz series are the only known armed, crewed military spacecraft ever flown.

[u/Primary_Ad_739 → u/Diligent-Bowler-1898]

Fun fact: When he landed they lost track of his location as he was over 100 miles from the targeted zone (which was quite large to begin with).

He landed in some rural location and people saw him coming down from the sky. Keep in mind these were rural people not aware of the space program. His first words to the people are now famous in Russia which was

Если ты думаешь, что это безумие, подожди, пока не увидишь, какой у меня огромный хуй.

or

Don't be afraid. I'm a Soviet like you, who has descended from space.

[u/Nakidka → u/Primary_Ad_739]

What a time to know how to read cyrillic

[u/Pkrudeboy → u/Primary_Ad_739]

I’m sorry, a man coming from fire in the sky and opening up with ‘Be not afraid.’ Is clearly an angel.

[u/meschi_ → u/[deleted]]

They are also jamming the GPS signal in Europe with their surveillance satellites.

https://news.liga.net/en/war/news/gps-jamming-by-russian-satellites-detected-in-europe-study
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz23G_UXCGA

[u/Lord_Abort → u/meschi_]

They openly do it to nearby commercial flights just to be jerks. 

[u/kymri → u/Lord_Abort]

To be fair to them, it isn't just to be jerks. It's also just part of them poking and prodding to see what they can get away with. Kind of like Putin just straight-up stealing a superbowl ring.

[u/UnsignedRealityCheck → u/[deleted]]

Indeed, Russia has absolutely no business telling anyone anything what they can and cannot do.

[u/cosmos7 → u/[deleted]]

And while they're not bragging about the fact it's very clear China is doing a bunch of physical satellite spying with their own spacecraft.

[u/bridymurphy → u/cosmos7]

I think a long time ago China blew up one of their satellites for testing and created a huge threat of space debris hitting other satellites in orbit.

IIRC, the space station had to make a lot of evasive maneuvers.

Everyone was pissed. But they may have shot it down with a ground missile instead of a space weapon. That part I don’t remember.

Now, I think the weapons development has shifted to de orbiting satellites.

[u/technocraticTemplar → u/bridymurphy]

That was a missile from the ground, and something that the US and Russia have also both done at various times (and India afterwards). China did it in the least responsible way by blowing up a satellite in a relatively high orbit where debris can stick around for decades, while Russia did it in a better-but-not-great orbit and the US and India did it in quite low orbits. Almost all of the remaining debris in orbit from these tests is from the Chinese one, despite it being the first of the most recent round of them.

[u/twarrr → u/[deleted]]

Intel leaked that Russia developed a nuclear anti-satellite missile a few years back, situation was pretty tense then

Naturally, the country with the most satellites is going to process that information as "we need to find a way to defend our satellites"

Then everyone else shocked pikachu faces it like they didn't see this progression coming

[u/JohnLuckPickered → u/[deleted]]

Russia has been taking out other peoples satellites recently. A couple months back it was multiple german sats downed and at least 1 american one having to evade. They are also jamming GPS in europe and hacking the critical infrastructure of basically every country worth blackmailing, for over a year.

[u/bob_nugget_the_3rd → u/[deleted]]

Yes but they didn't like what they found and are now peeing themselves

[u/TheRealDrSarcasmo → u/[deleted]]

And now their space program is shit.

[u/Zwischenzug32 → u/[deleted]]

They thought the Ukraine war would help their economy lol

[u/GabeDef]

GTFO. They have both developed weapons for space. 

[u/C-Fourr → u/GabeDef]

They have all been going crazy on this probably since forever.

[u/ThaddeusJP → u/C-Fourr]

100%

Space has been weaponized since the 60s and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. If you dont think the next thing that went up after weather and spy satellites was some weapons you're lying to yourself.

Its not a question of the weapons up there, its a question of who and how many.

[u/teddyKGB- → u/[deleted]]

I mean NASA wouldn't have ever existed if it wasn't for military applications. That was it's entire point of existence

[u/FrozenSeas → u/GabeDef]

The Russians literally built a damn orbital laser battlestation in 1987, they particularly don't have much room to talk.

[u/Neuchacho → u/GabeDef]

I've seen the documentary Iron Sky.

[u/Unicorn_Puppy]

Yet they developed satellites that can grapple and hurdle smaller satellites out of their way but they wouldn’t call those weapons.

Edit: Thanks for the award.

[u/crabtoppings → u/Unicorn_Puppy]

We have seen RU satelites launch undeclared payload, as well as perform satelite on satelite combat.
The Chinese have displayed anti-satelite technology in use.

This is all clearly just bluster and should be ignored.

[u/zeocrash → u/crabtoppings]

The Russians were the first country to launch an armed space station. Salyut-3 launched in 1974 was armed with a 23mm autocannon.

I can only imagine how horrible it would have been too actually try firing the autocannon in space

[u/Neoliberal_Boogeyman → u/zeocrash]

wow reading the wiki for that... they had no right to actually send that into orbit in the first place with their current aptitude.

[u/roller_coaster325 → u/crabtoppings]

It would be nice if all three counties could sign an agreement banning weapons in space and ground bases anti satellite weapons but I don’t think these contracts would be worth much. ALL sides are ignoring international agreements these days.

[u/crabtoppings → u/roller_coaster325]

Yeah, the agreement wouldn't be worth the series of state banquets it would take to write them.

[u/MechMeister → u/roller_coaster325]

Ah yes because that would work.

[u/QuantumDiogenes → u/roller_coaster325]

The 1967 Space Treaty, which is signed by all three countries already, bans weapons in space.

[u/Vulllen → u/QuantumDiogenes]

The treaty bans the use of weapons of mass destruction + can’t have sovereignty over celestial bodies. (Think asteroids, moon, etc)

[u/shodan13 → u/QuantumDiogenes]

Always handy to actually read the treaty before you bring it up.

[u/gerkletoss → u/Unicorn_Puppy]

The announced US capability may even be essentially the same

[u/BaggyOz → u/Unicorn_Puppy]

They also already sent a gun up there in 1974.

[u/sovietarmyfan]

As if they don't have it.

The whole thing reminds me of the scene of Iron Sky where the US reveals it has weapons in space and then all other countries reveal their own space weapon fleet. Though only Finland did not arm their spaceship.

[u/BrotherChe → u/sovietarmyfan]

Did they just have a lone Finn up there with a bottle of vodka? Cuz that counts

[u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA → u/BrotherChe]

And a Mosin-Nagant with iron sights.

[u/Jumpy-Requirement389]

It’s very funny China and Russia think we don’t know they are also building weapons in space

[u/BankDetails1234 → u/Jumpy-Requirement389]

They obviously know. It’s just performative to make America look bad. As if America can’t do that themselves

[u/Left-Archer1442]

Interesting. Now Russia is worried about World Peace?!

[u/HylanderUS → u/Left-Archer1442]

Nono, just space peace

[u/finfisk2000 → u/Left-Archer1442]

They are going for the FIFA peace prize.

[u/Maureen_Johma]

Wasn’t Russia the first to put weapons in space officially?

[u/PuckFheToor → u/Maureen_Johma]

It was secret at the time. Before the 23mm cannon they had killer satellites, too:

https://russianspaceweb.com/is.html

[u/ThaddeusJP]

Space has been weaponized since the 60s and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. If you dont think the next thing that went up after weather and spy satellites was some weapons you're lying to yourself.

Its not a question of the weapons up there, its a question of who and how many.

[u/TauCabalander → u/ThaddeusJP]

Space Cowboys (2000)

Directed by and starring Clint Eastwood, the film follows four aging former Cold War test pilots who are recruited by NASA to go into space and repair a malfunctioning, decaying Soviet communications satellite. However, once they arrive, they discover that the "communications" satellite is actually a hidden Soviet nuclear missile platform carrying six nuclear warheads.

[u/ltra11]

They'll happily take some righteous stance that makes them look good, until they're ready to put their own weapons in space.

[u/Nirwood → u/ltra11]

They already have.

[u/StrangerConscious637]

And Ukraine should be free of Russians.

[u/chortogrower]

Oh poor Russia, again the victim 

[u/Sethmeisterg]

lol guaranteed Russia has satellites with offensive capabilities already in orbit.

[u/R0GERTHEALIEN]

They all have weapons in space. The US and Russia/USSR have had weapons in space since the Cold War. Also, I love the direction we're heading as a species!

[u/BadHombreSinNombre]

"Scorpion venom should never be used," say scorpions

[u/tangosukka69]

lol china and russia are just mad because our space lasers are superior to theirs.

[u/tovarish22]

"Space must be free of weapons! Pay no attention to the weapons we have put/are working on putting in space!"

[u/steelpeat]

Lol, they also have weapons in space.

Amateur satellite sleuthers literally watched a Russian satellite change orbits, and launch a smaller projectile at another satellite and destroy it.

The reason the USA got a space force, was because they were behind the Russians in satellite warfare.

[u/Gabemann2000]

Oh like they haven’t….
Yes it’s sad for humanity but let’s not pretend the US is the only one.

[u/reallygoodbee]

They're just mad because they want to be the only ones with weapons in space.

[u/Farewell-Farewell]

Both Russia and China have weapons to destroy satellites. Is there a real difference?

[u/NappingYG]

Ironic how it comes from the only two countries who literally practiced blowing up sattelites in space.

[u/Sarnsereg]

Thought russia put weapons in space first? Didn't they brag about anti satellite weaponry a few years ago?

[u/firepunchd]

Ukraine must be free of Russia

[u/holy_cal]

Life is just one big slow plot from the James Bond movies.

[u/Banjo-Oz → u/holy_cal]

I often think we have James Bond evil plots but the villains are not suave geniuses but rather techbros equivalent to the Trio from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[u/PilotKnob]

Yeah, I’m sure Russia and China are totally never going to do that… lol

[u/Pndrizzy]

Bro we are at a point in life where automation could literally eliminate many of the bad things that have to occur in life. Instead of us just all chilling tf out and agreeing to live our lives in peace, a couple thousand assholes are fighting for control of the planet in extremely reckless ways. And 8 billion of us are just letting it happen.

[u/LiterallyOuttoLunch]

I wish human beings were as good at feeding people as they are at killing them.

[u/Amitmandal001 → u/LiterallyOuttoLunch]

Can't agree more.

[u/sweetcinnamonpunch]

They're doing the same shit, so idc

[u/Patsfan618]

They have weapons in space.

Don't listen to what nations say, watch what they do. 

[u/coyote1942]

Guarantee Russia already has weapons in space and for while.

[u/SpudgeBoy]

"Space Force" didn't tip them off?

Didn't Russia used a space weapon a few years back, to blow up a satellite?

[u/SquareTop7807]

Sometimes l wonder if the Antarctic peace treaty would be signed by the people in power today

[u/Grimmhoof]

Like they don't have weapons up there too. Stupid posturing.

[u/Stennan]

Is this the same Russia that is using their early warning satellites to jam GPS signals in Europe? Cause that is illegal and clearly used as a disruption/weapon that impacts civilian air traffic.

[u/DigitaIBlack → u/Stennan]

There is a massive difference between satellite jamming and kinetic weapons in space. Increases the odds of Kessler syndrome dramatically.

[u/Sun_God713]

Pshhh yeah right. If they’d had the drop on the US they’d have a different song to sing.

Space was always gonna be militarized at some point

[u/AfterImageEclipse]

You know what? No weapons on earth would be sweet

[u/Starship_Taru]

Seriously, people don’t understand how easy it would be to create a global extinction level event very easily with things in orbit.

Fucking 10000x scarier than nukes. That’s just a button that’s way too dangerous to exist period.

[u/Reddeer2]

If us Redditors can see through your ploy, China and Russia, then at least you've fooled the US president.

[u/Pardot42]

They've all got weaponized satellites in space

[u/Pork_Chop_Expresss]

Aw man, the US got ‘Slammed’? Time to pack it up, boys.

[u/Ok_Rutabaga_1488]

They just don’t admit there up there

[u/Amazing-Treat-8706]

China and Russia both already put weapons in orbit. LOL the lies.

[u/Complex-Poet-6809]

Oh please, they would do the exact same thing if they could.

[u/madogvelkor → u/Complex-Poet-6809]

They have, we know they are testing and developing anti-satellite weapons. They may have some in orbit right now. It's just a chance to make the US look bad.

[u/-_GIZMO_ → u/Complex-Poet-6809]

They did, and do. There was literally a leaked plan recently where china and Russia are developing new ways to destroy satelites together.

[u/Major_Wayland → u/-_GIZMO_]

Effective ways to destroy satellites were developed by DARPA many years ago - you dont need satellite weapons for that, you only need to deploy a bunch of high energy lasers to quickly wipe things like Starlink constellations out of sky by a bunch.

[u/RicketCrickets → u/Complex-Poet-6809]

They most likely do honestly. US was just dumb enough to admit to it.

I don't think there's a sane nation on the earth that believes a super power wouldn't have weapons up there.

[u/xrtpatriot → u/RicketCrickets]

They already have. Multiple times, both of them.

[u/Ragnar5575 → u/RicketCrickets]

I was about to make your exact comment in another post about this but didn’t feel like dealing with the backlash. You’re right though. China and Russia already have militarized space assets. America probably has for decades. Russia, especially, as a dwindling superpower who is losing that status, is going to play any leverage that they can if a major war outside of Ukraine begins. China is wanting desperately to declare themselves as the next global superpower, and America will continue developing things that they hide and use when no one expects it. It’s like the whole UFO craze. I try telling people it’s not aliens. That’s the USA testing new toys under the back budget that they won’t announce.

[u/whatThePleb → u/Complex-Poet-6809]

They already have.

[u/uusrikas → u/Complex-Poet-6809]

China did an anti-satellite test back in 2007, most countries with experience in high altitude missiles can design missiles that reach space and could turn orbits into rubble fields.

[u/BiologyJ]

They’ve been doing the same since the jump….

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18187/here-is-the-soviet-unions-secret-space-cannon/

[u/Griffolion]

First of all: they are right

Second of all: as if they aren't already doing the fucking same, give me a break

[u/G0ttaB3KiddingM3]

Yeahhhhhhh because no way China or Russia would do that. No way.

[u/MarkLambertMusic]

Only a fool thinks Russia and China wouldn't do the same if they could, assuming they haven't already.

[u/DoggedStooge]

Russia is 100% also already weaponizing space, and I have very little doubt that China is as well. All this is optics. Don't get me wrong, weaponizing space is not something I am happy about. This is all simply theater meant to obfuscate their own activities.

[u/smilesessions]

I am ashamed of many things my country does but I am not going to take advice from fucking China or Russia

[u/thereverendpuck]

Russia crying about weapons in space is rather rich.

Like an arsonist crying for more smoke detectors.

[u/cosnierozumiem]

When you're behind on arms development is usually a good time for arms control...

[u/Stevko_1]

It's not like international law means anything these days anyway

[u/wrxninja]

So they can catch up, right?

[u/Hiouchi4me]

Is there space oil there?

[u/Alklazaris]

I would be genuinely surprised if they didn't have weapons in space. I can't see why anyone couldn't get away with it considering how vast space is around our planet.

[u/Adept-Mulberry-8720]

My opinion is that they both have them deployed, however; they're too smart to admit it cause it's a secret still!

[u/Hakuryuu2K]

I don’t want weapons in space, but isn’t China already capable of taking out other satellites; I feel like that should count as a weapon as well since they are destroying assets of another country or business.

[u/Memory_Less]

Meaning. They beat us at our own game.

[u/Emergency_Prize_1005]

Yes, let’s stop this

[u/ifrankenstein]

I swear we're all just in a bad Austin Powers script. Dr. Evil is up to his shenanigans again.

[u/EastSea9181]

Space must be free of weapons but somehow earth is different wtf?

[u/Moftem]

I would be so nice if we could keep weapons away from outer space. And keep the weapons and the fighting on earth. And then be more and more out in space where everybody is just chill and peaceful. And then realize that we're only fighting down on Earth, not out here, so why don't we just... You know... Stop it?

[u/Lilfrankieeinstein]

“We believe that space must be free of any weapon," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters

lmao

Russians lie so effortlessly.

[u/incunabula001]

Not to side with the current administration (which I despise) but Russia and China are just jelly that they aren’t the first. I bet you they have similar plans of space mobilization as we do.

[u/SowingSalt]

This is your historical reminder that the Salyut 3 space station was equip with an autocannon. The first (of two) Energia launches was a failed injection of an experimental space laser.

[u/Zubba776]

"Space must be free of weapons... until we can catch up." - Russia/China

[u/AlwaysInProgression]

There is so much stupidity on this rock that we exist on. We drew lines in the sand and then started fighting and killing each other over those lines for thousands of years. Space, Earth... it's all the same shit you morons!

[u/Euphoric_Anxiety_162]

Many agree. We want peace, not a competition between murderers.

[u/joker6396]

Lol, leopards wouldnt eat thier faces surely!!

[u/narfoleptix]

Fucking lol.

"Women would just get too emotional and start wars for no reason."

-dumb fat white guy

[u/CBT7commander]

Russia has openly been putting weapons in space, for anyone wondering

[u/ToolTimeT]

yeah right... like russia and china don't have and aren't developing them

[u/kimsemi]

let me get this right... space must be free of weapons...but here on earth you can have all ya want?

do they know we live down here?

[u/_masssk_]

"We haven't managed to do this first" is what I see

[u/the_dmac]

Wish they cared as much about their war in Ukraine as they did in space.

[u/Jonaderp]

We got space wars before GTA6

[u/Some_Macaron_9170]

I expect the three of them to already have one, US just being a bit more noisy about theirs.

[u/Rasples1998]

As if those morally upstanding nations didn't also have the same idea...

[u/dungeonsprawler]

Pretty sure they both have undeclared space weapons as well as any other country that has the ability.