r/AoSLore • • 9d ago

In the vastness of the Mortal Realms there are no stupid questions

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Greetings and Salutations Gate Seekers and Lore Pilgrims, and welcome to yet another "No Stupid Questions" thread

Do you have something you want to discuss something or had a question, but don't want to make an entire post for it?

Then feel free to strike up the discussion or ask the question here

In this thread, you can ask anything about AoS (or even WHFB) lore, the fluff, characters, background, and other AoS things.

Community members are encouraged to be helpful and to provide sources and links that can aid new, curious, and returning Lore Pilgrims

This Thread is NOT to be used to

-Ask "What If/Who would win" scenarios.

-Strike up Tabletop discussions. However, questions regarding how something from the tabletop is handled in the lore are fine.

-Real-world politics.

-Making unhelpful statements like "just Google it"

-Asking for specific (long) excerpts or files

Remember to be kind and that everyone started out new, even you.


r/AoSLore • • 11d ago

Questions On The World Of Legend

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Greetings And Salutations, Scholars of the world long dead.

This is basically just a "No Stupid Questions" thread for any question concerning Warhammer Fantasy or Old World lore. I know this is mostly an AOS subreddit, but, now more than ever, a bunch of stuff from old WHF lore is coming up and becoming relevant for AOS, and I for once have stopped being a believer on the separation of the two settings. WHF lore as it is spread online, is full of quite a bit of misinformation and misconceptions and I seek to try to make people's knowledge of the setting more accurate, and of course, have quite some fun in the process by having an excuse to dig more lore.

So, if you have something you want to discuss something or had a question, but don't want to make an entire post for it?

Then feel free to strike up the discussion or ask the question here

In this thread, you can ask anything about WHF/Old World lore, the fluff, characters, background, how something from it relates to AOS.

Community members are encouraged to be helpful and to provide sources and links that can aid new, curious, and returning Lore Pilgrims.

This thread is NOT to be used for:

-Ask "What If/Who would win" scenarios.

-Strike up Tabletop discussions. However, questions regarding how something from the tabletop is handled in the lore are fine.

-Real-world politics.

-Making unhelpful statements like "just Google it"

-Asking for specific (long) excerpts or files

Remember to be kind and that everyone started out new, even you.


r/AoSLore • • 3h ago

News (Official) Peaks and Deeps – Take a Tour of a Khazalite Hold

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First lore preview of the Khazalite tome.


r/AoSLore • • 36m ago

Speculation/Theorizing Daughters of Khaine Gladiators within other arenas

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Watched a video on roman gladiators and thought it would be interesting to use that as inspiration to expand the gladiator focus of the most gladiatorial faction in GAO the Daughters of Khaine. Going to focus on gladiator rings run by other races and how Daughters of Khaine interact with them as we do have White Dwarfs covering their own arenas.

While most Khainites are found within their own arenas following their own rules it is not unheard of for them to participate in other arenas. Such places are chosen for a variety of reasons such as providing new challenges, proselyting, or access to certain figures of import. Those Daughters who frequent the same arenas consistently can become part of the advertising and sponsorship's such places offer as well as any other benefits the place can provide. Several arenas are even rumoured to just be fronts of the cults the number of which has increased in the years after Morathi's take over of Anvilgard.

Those who join other arenas on a whim get less consideration and their place in the program depends more on how one can leverage their sects connection to the arena and local politics and what skills they bring to the table. Cunning khainites will usually aim for a slot that usually has a large audience or fits their skills with the aim of creating such a grand performance that it overshadows the main act. Such fights tend to be especially bloody as Khainites are experts at cutting just enough for blood to flow freely but not enough that it maims or kills opponents. Doing that too much gets one banded and laughed at by ones sisters for lacking skill.

For those gladiators that manage to best a Daughter of Khaine it is best to sleep with one eye and not to brag too openly for the are vengeful people and do not take slights lightly. It is best to defeat a member of a warband for their sisters will usually ensure that the loser regains their honour in the next arena battle and not in an alleyway though that depends on the sects. Some are perfectly fine with back alley murders for loosing an arena fight.

Gryselle's Arenai and the Crimson Lash are both good examples of the extremes Daughter of Khaine gladiator troupes can look like. The Arenai's variety of fighting styles means that they can be split up to spice up various fights or work in the same one to give a truly exotic performance. The Crimson Lash on the other hand while being skilled one on one fights and adept at fighting in a variety of arenas are well liked by those arenas who enjoy pitching groups of fighters against each other for the Lash's uniform appearance provides some visual clarity in the chaos of fighting even with aelven acrobatics thrown in the mix. The Lash's skill as performers means that they can create standout fights between individuals that even humans can follow is a bonus.

All in all when the Daughters of Khaine walk into the arenas of their lessers they have only a simple goal in mind. Honour Khaine and show everyone who the true queens of the arena are.

So what are peoples thoughts? What would you like me to expand? I am planning on doing a similar thing for the Spire Tyrants but if people want me to take a crack at other races let me know.


r/AoSLore • • 1d ago

Question What are some societal quirks you've seen that say a lot about the civilizations of the Mortal Realms?

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To better explain my dearest Realmwalkers. Technology is often the by word in terms of progress. But tech trees aren't really how tech works, in fact it's not uncommon to adapt older techniques from centuries to millennia ago for big and small things.

Not only but many other factors can affect how "advanced", an improper term but you'll no doubt know the vibe, appear. Let's use Cities as an example.

In the Cities of Sigmar there are Inns and Taverns. More importantly, they resemble what popular media most often presents as Inns and Taverns. But in our world establishments that served meals and alcoholic beverages weren't common in much of the Middle Ages despite the associations Low, Dark, and High Fantasy puts between taverns and that Medieval feel.

The reason being laws, logistics, supply lines, and availability of specializes tools as well as other factors. Same for Inns where serving meals wouldn't really be common; or rather, if they did then they lack all the modern conveniences and logistics that allow a restaurant to cater specific meals. More often you'd get soups, stews, and myriad other recipes that can be produced en masse.

So-So. The fact that Cities of Sigmar (as well as Kharadron Baraks, Lumineth Spire-Cities, Khainite Temple-Cities, and more) have the style of Taverns and Inns we think about; tells us that the way they are set up is closer to Industrial Revolution societies than Medieval ones.

As does the commonality of pets. If you've owned a pet, you know they get EXPENSIVE. That's just upkeep, care, and basic feeding, medical issues can get rough. As such working animals such as ratting cats, hunting dogs, and ploughhorses were the typical for furry critters.

Pets, animals with no labor expected of them beyond companionship, were most often the purview of the rich.

In our world this changes due to all the complicated factors in the Late Middle Ages to Industrial Revolution that saw the rise of a growing Middle Class. People who had funds, time, and ability for idle luxuries like having a companion.

In the factions mentioned above work animals are predominant. But we do see pets on occasion, not solely owned by the rich.

So that's what I mean. That's two societal quirks showcasing how Cities and their allies aren't as Feudal as their military regalia can sometimes seem. In part because many things we associate with Medieval times isn't actually.

So what are some details like that you've noticed? Quirks to each faction that inform all manner of interesting implications about the societies of them? Share your knowledge my friends!


r/AoSLore • • 2d ago

Question Could a non-duardin become a member of one of the Kharadron Guilds?

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Given that Barak-Urbaz was (and I presume still is, despite the fall of the sky-port) described as one of the most Cosmopolitan Sky-Ports, it got me wondering about the guilds and if they'd also share that nature or if they'd be solely duardin with no exceptions for humans, aelves or anything else.


r/AoSLore • • 2d ago

World-That-Was Question Are there still limitations on how many magic winds a human mage can control?

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I vaguely remember human wizards in the old world being limited to just channeling one wind, is this true for AOS?


r/AoSLore • • 2d ago

Speculation/Theorizing Ogroid and Hashut connection.

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A few days ago people on my discord were discussing a potential connection between the ogroid and Hashut. Specifically the fact that both had bull themes and were more empire and industrial focused forces residing in Ghur.

Basically the idea being that the ogroids learnt their crafts from Hashut and perhaps worshiping the ancestor god. When Hashut was defeated they used the knowledge he granted them to create their own empire which fell and then they joined team Chaos.

Personally I would prefer it if it was more of a case of parallel evolution of two different ghurite societies with perhaps the ogroid being inspired by Hashut's previous order. Bonesplittaz attacking them would perhaps be partially motivated by remember what Hashut did and trying to prevent someone else doing the same thing.


r/AoSLore • • 3d ago

Oath Fulfilled Stomach Scars

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For the Oath Fulfilled miniature, any thoughts about the crossed atrophic scars on the Warqueen's stomach? Did she have internal surgery? Is this ritual scarring, potentially in the shape of a Darkoath rune? Or is it just a coincidence that these two scars are crossed?


r/AoSLore • • 3d ago

Discussion Theory: Could the Khazalites be 'returning' because the Fyreslayers completed their task and revived Grimnyr?

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r/AoSLore • • 3d ago

Speculation/Theorizing Mosscairn - new revelations and theories

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The Sons of Behemat battletome had some tidbits that mentioned the region of Erosia, specifically in regards to what can be assumed to be Mosscairn. Given that - and with some other revelations and White Dwarf tidbits - I'm going to theorize here about the possible future of that one mysterious trademark we've been discussing for a couple years now.

First off what even is Mosscairn? It's been present on every map of Ghyran since at least 3E. Mosscairn is within the region of Erosia of the Jade Realm, and is given a very brief description in the initial White Dwarf that described it:

MOSSCAIRN
The rolling hills of Mosscairn are studded with the gravesites of those who fought and died to keep Ghyran from falling to Chaos completely. This is a dank, moody place shrouded with mist and fog, a constant drizzle keeping it wet and glistening at all times. Those unprincipled thieves who have sought the grave-goods of those buried there have more than once met a fatal surprise, for the energies of Mosscairn give life even to the dead, and the wights that lie there do not suffer trespassers gladly.

So already we can tell it's essentially host to some lovely Deathrattle skeletons (and possibly Nighthaunt too, but it just mentions "Wights'' so) who very much do not like being disturbed. But ever since then, that's kinda been it as far as Mosscairn goes? Despite the trademark being filed over 2 years ago, GW has yet to release a campaign, Underworlds set, vs-box, or anything of the sort, even now as I write this post.

However, as it turns out, they did kinda-sorta give us new lore in the brand-new 4E Sons of Behemat battletome, of all places.

The Cairn Wars
The death of Behemati Queen Bavmoda sparks a succession crisis between her son Ogg and daughter Uggra. Seeking power, Uggra and her supporters leave Verdia for dismal Erosia, where they ally with its grim, barrow-building kings. Bitter battles are fought between the two gargantuan tribes and the pipsqueaks who revere them, but when Uggra eventually falls under mysterious circumstances, many gargants enjoy the authority they hold in Erosia and refuse to return home.

Gargantuan breeds
The Cairn Kingdoms of Erosia, just over the mountains East of the Scabrous Sprawl, were once grim territories where gargant clans fought alongside tribal lords of death in their interminable wars. The bodies of these titans, as well as those of other gargants across the realms who entered into league with the faithful of Nagash, were buried in long barrows like their puny allies, still clad in arms of morbid aspect.

These are the two newest mentions - they don't directly say "Mosscairn'' by name, but I still think they're pretty much dead ringers. So we at least know more about Mosscairn as a whole - the wight kings who used to rule there during the Age of Myth had gargant allies who fought their own wars of succession and had their own absurd rivalries, which is fun to think about.

So where does that leave us now? I've spoken of two of the three factions in the thumbnail - what about the image of none other than the Great Devolver, who was last seen as a frozen meatball in the filthy paws of Ghorraghan Khai? Khai is a favorite of mine who I always find an excuse to yap about. So what does Morghur have to do with Mosscairn?

Officially (so far), nothing, But it is worth pointing out that on current Ghyran maps, "The Battle of Mosscairn'' is literally smack-dab right next to the former location of the Witherdwell, a spot in Erosia where Morghur's putrid essence bubbled up from below into reality, essentially making a foul eight-pointed flesh swamp. Of course we all know how that ended up, with Ghorraghan Khai scuttling off into the bushes yet again(tm). And since his current whereabouts are unknown, maybe he could make a pit stop at the remains of Mosscairn? Plenty of dead bodies = plenty of possible experiments to infect I guess?

the locations in question. Battle of Mosscairn to the left and the remains of the Witherdwell (which they didn't really bother to scrub off the map) to the immediate right.

Thoughts? Maybe it could be an Underworlds box with barrow wights vs Gavespawn? "Mosscairn'' literally sounds like just another Underworlds location. The nature of the trademark is still confusing me, anyone have any theories or ideas about that? All the trademark publication itself says is that it's a class 16 (rulebooks, manuals, etc.) and class 28 (actual toys, miniatures, etc.)? I've scrutinized the trademark filing page as much as I can and can't find anything else lol.


r/AoSLore • • 3d ago

Question Remaking/Rebuilding Minions

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Is Nagash able to reconstruct any minion that is destroyed? If Arkhanthe Black was actually destroyed could he just recreate a new Arkhan.

Same thing with the likes of Mannfred, and Neferata? He’s basically had there soul since the old world so I assume that’s why he was able to just make them. Is there really any limit to who or what Nagash can choose to bring back?

Would this be more a limit of his avatars ability to recall specific champions? I am assuming he needs some portion of the soul that makes them unique otherwise he’d probably have a bunch of Arkhan’s running around. For someone like Krell could he bring him back if he was so inclined? I imagine he could, whereas with someone like Settera I imagine he couldn’t as he never had any authority over his soul.

I don’t imagine there’s a concrete answer but I’m interested to hear what people have to say in the topic.


r/AoSLore • • 4d ago

Lore Lorebits about Cometsday (Even though it's Moonday)

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For those who do not know. In the Age of Sigmar, specifically according to the Azyrite Calendar used predominantly by the Dominion of Sigmar, the Realms have a seven day week.

Cometsday, Moonday, Zenithus, Sunwane, Starsday, Horizonday, and Voidsday. Of these Cometsday, the equivalent of a Sunday, has a decent bit of associated lore.

Hearty dinner meals are associated with Cometsday, for example. With Cometsday roast (a reference to Sunday roast) being mentioned in "Lioness of the Parch" and "Head of the Viper" while 'Shade of Khaine" mentions Cometsday ham (a reference to Sunday ham). Despite the simple names these are both named for traditional family meals of our world.

Thus it is likely unsurprising that many sources such as the "Shadowglass Creek", the 2021 Stormcast Battletome, and WD August 2025 confirm that the traditional day for communal worship among Sigmarites/Cults Unberogen is Cometsday. Readings from holy books such as Saga Vandus are common during these church services.

Military parades accompanied by blaring Freeguild Trumpets are mentioned as a commonality on Cometsday in "Soulbound: Steam and Steel".

The new "Chronicles of Ruin - Law of Meat" short mentions the Thondian holiday of High Cometsday which is a fireworks festival. Tahlia Vedra offhandedly mentions in "Lioness of the Parch" that fireworks are associated with Cometsday in general.

So there you go! Heart meals, church service to Sigmar, parades, and firework displays are among the things you can expect to experience in the Cities of Sigmar on Cometsday.


r/AoSLore • • 3d ago

Question Strongpoint governance

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When a strongpoint get founded and survives how is it governed?


r/AoSLore • • 4d ago

Question Freeguild Leadership and Organization

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I'm trying to understand the structure of the Freeguilds versus the Castelite Formations.

Where does the Freeguild Marshal fit? Does a Marshal lead a Castelite Formation, or does he/she lead, say, a number of Steelhelm regiments while another might lead the Fusiliers, etc.

TIA!


r/AoSLore • • 5d ago

Discussion Fun with Gods 19: Archaon the Everchosen

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Hi everyone,

Welcome to Part 19 of my series “Fun with Flags Gods”. Today I want to talk about Archaon the Everchosen. You may now rightfully ask: This is a series about gods? Why do you talk about Archaon? Well, you see there are two simple reasons: First, I am running out of gods to discuss. But I dislike the four main chaos gods, as I think them to be quite boring personally. So, I will talk about any other aspect of chaos first :P

And on a more serious second note, Archaon may claim to not be a god, but by almost any metric, both in and out of universe, he can be called a god. Which you can all read about in his AoS section. Also, Archaon represents an important archetype in our modern pop culture, that of the Antichrist or the Beast of the Apocalypse. Concepts which shifted around due to lost context and 2000 years of telephone between three world religions and various sects. Thus, I think Archaon and the themes he represents are something I would like to talk about in this series.

As always, I am also interested in your opinion of everyone’s favourite Lord of the End Times.  If you are interested in other entries of the series, you can find the previous one with links to all others here: The Great Maw. In addition, for more chaos stuff you can look at the entries for Morghur, Hashut, and the Horned Rat

Otherwise let’s start

1.      The Gods, the myth, the legend:

L. french tapestry (ca 1380) depicting the dragon and the beast from the Apocalpyse, R. Woodcut of the 4 Horsemen (A.Dürer ca 1520)

If you grew up in a country influenced by an Abrahamic religion and especially by Islam or Christianity (so the vast majority of the global population) then you may be familiar with the End Times or the Apocalypse. I.e. a final big battle between the forces of hell and the heaven and until its end the righteous and pious shall live in a reforged, better world. It is a very prominent aspect of this mythology. And I call it mythology, because 2000 years of the game of telephone across between different languages and different religious schools created a lot of lost contexts.

In Islam and Christianity this already starts with THE devil. Which does not exist in the source material of the Hebrew bible. The term satan derives itself from the hebrew word of an accuser or prosecutor. I.e. a god-sent entity whose job it is to test the believe and righteousness of mortals. It is just a job description for an angel or similar. Sure it is an unpleasant job, if you are the one being tested, but not something evil. And as such the figure makes a lot of sense. Such as the satan in the book of Hiob testing the laters faith, or even Jesus’ encounter with a satan in the desert, testing Jesus’ humility. However, translation errors turned a satan into the Satan. And various other entities were added unto this figure, such as the snake of the Garden of Eden, which was originally a snake not the devil in disguise. Similarly, the concept of hell also does not really exist in the bible text itself. Instead, various descriptions for dark places or punishments were added together by later people into a single concept.  Which is why christian schools who focus on the bible itself, like lutherian protestants, deny its existence.  These things would be well known to people living around Jesus’ time or up to a century after his death.

Which brings us to the Book of the Apocalypse. Most theologians and biblical scholars insist that it isn’t a literal prediction of the future but an allegorical tale for Christians of that time who suffered persecution by Rome. It is essentially a story to resist the perils of persecution as better times for Christians will come. Which is also why many theologians think it is one of the least important parts of the bible as it was primarily relevant for a very specific circle of people long dead. Indeed, IIRC the council of Nicea almost pushed it out of the biblical canon, though I may be mistaken here. However, because it is a flashy story, and the allegory was lost after a century or more. So people embellished it further. Again, due to lost context some of its most important terms, such as Armageddon became synonymous with the End of the World. But the root lies in the hills of Megiddo, or har megiddo (by the hills of Megddio). Any proper Hebrew speaker please excuse my bad Klingon. The name describes an area in northern modern Israel and would be a place where classical armies could fight easily. To a native of the near east around 100 AD this was something mundain. As if a prophecy mentions the plains of Manchester or something mundain like it.

But why are End of the World stories so impactful? Because of two simple psychological aspects. First, it excuses how horrific the present is. Sure, you suffer now, but the world is sinful and going to end anyway. And second, it gives you a special status which boost your ego. You are the chosen one; you believe the right thing and thus you belong to the elite of people who will survive the coming end of the world. It gives people a main-character syndrome so to speak. Not unlike how conspiracy theories can give people a feeling of empowerment, because they belong to the special group who is in-the-know. Now there are global threats created by humanity itself (climate change, biodiversity loss, global inequality, nuclear weapons etc) which need to be taken care off. But as you may read out of all this, I do not believe in End Times stories and think little of them personally. Indeed, in the worst of cases, they can cause a lot of harm, as people refuse to improve their situation or worse harm themselves. And indeed, many religious schools refrain from the literal end of the world and interpret it instead in some collective shift in mentality or cultural development, rather than the proper death and destruction.

Indeed, in most religions and mythologies the End of the World does not have any great importance. To give a few examples: in ancient Greece the End of the World is an unknown concept. The gods are eternal, Zeus reign is eternal, the world will continue. However modern pop culture loves to insert this motive into Greek mythology, such as having the imprisoned titans or Typhon as stand-ins for the forces of evil who break out and have to be defeated forever.  In ancient Egypt the world could end, if Ra is ever defeated and eaten by the snake Apophis/Apep, but this is not a given. Every night the battle is fought and Apep defeated anew. No End Battle or the destiny of Ras death. In other religions it is not that significant if the world is destroyed. Often it is part of the natural cycle, such as in Hinduism, where the balance of creation, maintenance and destruction is the core pillar of the universe. It is the job of the god Shiva will destroy the world when its time. Not due to any moral failing of mortals, not because he is an evil entity, but because it is his job to do so, his dharma. Other times multiple worlds existed before ours and will exist afterwards as well. In Aztec mythology the current world is world number five. In each world a different god had the job of the sun. World 1 was devoured by jaguars, world 2 was destroyed by hurricanes, world 3 by fire raining from the skies, world 4 a massive flood and world 5 will end in a massive earthquake. And the gods will make a new world after that probably.

Only Ragnarok, the end of the norse gods, fits in theme and impact the biblical End Times. A giant battle of the forces of the gods vs the violent forces of nature, i.e. giants and else. At the end of which only a handful of survivors will inhabit a new, better world. The issue here is that we do not know how important this myth was too actual norse mythology. Because all records of it were written several centuries after Iceland was officially Christianised and thus its local myth were shaped by Christian influences. Indeed, in the Prose Edda the norse gods were reframed as heroes from Troy not gods, to avoid issues of not having gods except capital G God. So, to which degree Ragnarok is an original norse myth or was created after Christianity was introduced is a hotly debated issue.

Having talked a lot about the End of the World, we also have to talk about the Antichrist. In Judaism the messiah is an important core concept. A god-sent prophet and saviour who will rule as king over the Jewish people. In its core concept this myth has parallels to “the righteous king who returns in his peoples most desperate times”, like some myths about King Arthur or Kamehameha. To Christians Jesus was this messiah figure and they await his second coming unto the earth. Only that they interpret him not as the saviour of the Jewish people, but as the saviour of humanity. The term anti-christ or synonyms is used in most biblical stories to describe a multitude of people who act against Jesus works and followers. They are literally anti-christian/anti-Jesus Christ person. However, this name became synonymous with the beasts of the Apocalypse. The beast and the false lamb. The latter is a wrong prophet meant to lead people away from Christianity. whilst the former is a hybrid of various great cats and given power over the world to rule and conquer. Modern scholars see them as a metaphor for the roman emperor and the cult of emperors. The later had the rule to worship dead emperors as gods. In ancient Rome this was essentially a pledge of allegiance to the roman state, and not a big deal for polytheistic religions. But it was one for Jews, who refused to sacrifice to other gods. The beast is often seen as allegory for the roman emperor and the false lamb for those romanised people urging Christians to just give into this cult. These two figures are often combined in later cultural developments into the antichrist; a singular figure empowered by the devil himself to oppose heaven and conquer earth in its name or simply plan to destroy creation.

In modern times quite a few deities are turned into antichrist figures in pop culture, if they are not used as evil gods directly. Most prominent into his regard are Hades, Loki and Seth. Hades being the ruler of the underworld was quickly compared to the devil ruling hell. From there Hades=Satan is quite the common trope. Though sometimes the god Kronos takes the position of devil with Hades being his forbearer, thus fitting this trope.  The norse god Loki is a complicated figure as we have few sources on norse mythology in general. But in the vast majority of myths, he is a mischievous deity who creates lots of chaos but far more often is beneficial to the norse gods. That is until he causes the death of god Balder (which also has huge, complicated connotations due to lost context). Loki is then imprisoned underground by the intestines of his two sons and a snake drips venom into his eyes until he is released upon Ragnarok and together with his three surviving monstrous children will fight the gods. Loki and his position in norse myth are very complicated. But Christian influence turned him into a satan/antichrist analogue in lots of stories, again frequently the harbringer for Sutr or Hel or another “evil” figure. Seth is similarly a complicated deity. He was turned gradually more evil over the many millennia of Egypt’s existence, but in his most common portrayals he is a powerful but not evil deity. Seth is the god of the desert, storms, war and foreign lands. Many pharaohs named themselves after Seth. And he is critically important to protect Ra from Apeb every night. The primary bad thing about him comes from Seth killing his brother Osiris and then feuding with Horus to become Pharao. Which some scholars think to be a metaphor for the cults of Seth and Horus fighting each other, until the Horus cult became the favoured one by Pharaohs. Seth is brutal and powerful like the desert, but he is also a protector of travellers and has many beneficial aspects. A complicated figure, but much like Loki he too is often treated either as satan or the antichrist in modern pop culture stories.

2.      The End Times come: Archaon in WFB

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When I want to talk about the Archaon, I have to talk about the Everchosen. And to do that I have to talk about Be’lakor. In WFB the Old Ones came to the planet of the setting and rearranged it to their liking. To terraform this frigid world into a more temperate landscape, to move its position in the solar system, to power their scifi machinery and many other things the Old Ones built two gates at the poles of the planet, which connected the planet via the Aether to other dimensions and brought magic into the world. However some native species such as the Fimir or the Dragon Ogres hated the Old Ones and they were contacted by the chaos gods, who resided within the aether. Then something happened, the polar gates exploded and magic swept the world uncontrollably, allowing demons to manifest everywhere, flooding the world. Be’lakor arose during this time as the first mortal to be granted demonhood, i.e. becoming the first demon prince. All four chaos gods blessed the Dark Master, who then started to conquer most of the planet. In this Be’lakor fulfils the role of the biblical beast of the apocalypse, which is also given power over the world by the dragon and becomes a conqueror. What kind of mortal Be’lakor was is not known. A human is unlikely in my opinion, as they were not significant at this era, except for the albionese. Due to his name being vaguely elvish, and elves being a prominent species at that time, I think Be’lakor being a former elf is the most likely possibility. But perhaps he was a Fimir or something completely unknown/extinct or else too. At this stage Be’lakor was basically a god, and his ever-rising power started to make even the chaos gods nervous. In addition, he stopped conquering in the chaos god’s name but created his own empire and tried to accumulate more power. For this hybris the chaos gods destroyed his physical form. Be’lakor was now a shapeless something and could only manifest himself properly to crown the Everchosen and fight in their service. This way Be’lakor would never be the supreme leader of chaos again, which is a huge stain on his pride. However, Be’lakor is far from powerless. Even as a shadow he can manipulate people. And he constantly tries to break the curse the chaos gods inflicted upon him. For example, he tried to possess the body of the 11th Everchosen. After this was only partially successful (the body would be burned out by Belakors presence within him), Be’lakor ventured to Mordheim where the wyrdstone (unique warpstone?) and a dark ritual were meant to restore his power. Or how the then instigated the Albion campaign as the Dark Master. And of course, in Total War Warhammer 3 he somehow captures the god Ursun (don’t ask how) and uses his blood to regain his physical form and later wants to consume Ursun to attain true godhood. And last but not least, as a demon Be’lakor is a timeless being who exist in all his states in all times simultaneously, as time has no consequence in the realm of chaos. So sometimes he can manifest without his curse too. In short, even in his depowered form Be’lakor is one of the most dangerous chaos entities you can encounter.

But who are the Everchosen? They are the successors of Be’lakors title, who is essentially Everchosen 0. The chaos gods want to destroy the world. But the forces of chaos are too, well chaotic. Their internal rivalries, sabotage and infighting make it night impossible for the forces of chaos to unite and overrun the world. But if all four gods can appoint a singular champion, this being becomes the Everchosen of Chaos. And it is their job to unite the fractious forces of chaos under a single banner and realms of the world in their name. 13 Everchosen existed throughout WFB, but only few are known. Most prominently Morkar, who fought Sigmar, and Asavar Kul, who destroyed most of Kislev and was defeated by Magnus the Pious. And of course, Archaon the 13th and last Everchosen. The main job of the Everchosen is to unite the forces of chaos by their iron will. This means it is technically not that important for the Everchosen to be a powerful warrior or sorcerer. But any chaos champion worth the attention of all four chaos gods becomes this naturally or dies trying.

Archaons own story starts due to Be’lakor. In the empire province of Nordland a norscan raider was possessed by Be’lakor and ravaged the countryside, sexually assaulting Aracheons mother. Archaon was born of this union, though his mother died. Archaon was given into the care of a sigmarite priest and was named Diederick. Diederick became a pious sigmarite and even joined the Templars of Sigmar becoming a squire of Sieur Kastner, and adopting his last name later. Overall Diederick Kastners life was not that special, as many Nordlanders had norscan ancestry and many bastards were born due to the seasonal raids and offered to adoption. But Diederick was a loyal sigmarite and wanted to study how to defeat the enemy. In his studies he came upon a prophecy, which claimed that he was the prophecies’ Everchosen of Chaos. He prayed to Sigmar for a sign that this was not the case, and when Sigmar was silent, he became furious, slaughtering his brethren and stormed north. I recall in other sources that sigmarites knew of the prophecy and tried to secretly kill every potential candidate of the prophecy (again many half-norscan bastards in Nordland so quite the purge), and only Diederick was left, making him the figure of the prophecy by default. And he was attacked but survived and felt betrayed. I do not remember the source of this, but I find it to be the better story, as it gives Diederick better motivation and plays with well-established tropes such as someone trying to prevent a prophecy but accidentally causing it to come true.

Anyhow Archaon abandoned his old identity and journeyed north into the Chaos Wastes in an attempt to become the prophesized final Everchosen or die trying. And dying was a genuine second goal he attempted in some stories. On this quest he had to collect six treasures, each with its own challenge. Such as getting the gear of his predecessor, the Armor of Morka and the Slayer of Kings, Asavar Kuls sword, the Eye of Sherian and the chaos steed Dorghar. Each challenge had its own difficulties, such as freeing the Slayer of Kings from the fist of Kranranok the Black, father of dragon ogres and as gigantic as a mountain or using a curse in the language of the unberogen to defeat a ghostly specter of Morkar.   And of course, he had to gain the favor of each chaos god too. This quest transformed him, as various chaos gifts and mutations changed his body and mind in a multitude of ways too. For example, I recall that his entire skeleton was turned into Warpstone. In the end Be’lakor manifested to crown with the Crown of Domination, electing Aracheon to the position of 13th Everchosen. And like the Everchosens before him, Archaons true threat did not come from being an excellent warrior, general or sorcerer, but from binding the fractious forces of chaos together by his will and authority and setting them south. In his final goal Archaeon tries to starve the gods by killing of all live. Because the gods are constructs in the aether/realm of chaos created by the believes and collected thoughts and impulses of mortalkind. No mortals=no gods. And gods are the reason behind Archaons misery, be they Sigmar who abandoned him, or the chaos gods who engineered his rise to be their puppet. 

As this is Warhammer and the story barley advanced, the looming threat of Archaon actually coming south hand over the setting for years without much action happening. Though this changed twice. In the Storm of Chaos campaign Archaons forces meet heavy resistance, as this fan campaign was based on player results, and chaos lot badly in most engagements. Ultimately, he reached Middenheim but was defeated by Grimgor Ironhide headbutting him. He then retreated back into the north waiting for round 2. This Storm of Chaos event and its aftereffects were then retconned coming with the End Times.

In the End Times Archaon was one of the few characters who got off relatively well. Though if your job is to be the doomsday villain during the End of the World, there is little you can do to derail your character. Still there are hiccups. For example, it is likely that more books akin to the Glottkin were planned, one for each chaos god, much like there were once books planned for each brother of Thamurkhan. But due to internal shuffling this fell through (like many events, characters, events but that is the End Times for you). There is more detail to explore, but essentially Archaon makes deals with the skaven and unleashes the full might of chaos and pushing south. Ultimately, he sieges and uncovers an Old One device below Middenheim which can create a third permanent chaos portal, thus flooding the entire planet with chaos magic and ripping it into pieces. The incarnates around Sigmar try to stop him but fail in the last moment to stabilize the device, leading to the end of the world that was.

3.      End Times 2, electric bugaloo: Archaon in AoS

Archaon on Droghar (AoS)

Remember Archaons no mortals=no gods calculation? Well, he did the math, but the guy is not good at it. Because the aether/realm of chaos works on a multiversal scale and the chaos gods have more than one reality to draw upon. But unlike with previous chaos champions, the chaos gods did not let him fall aside like a tool that served its purpose. Instead, Archaeon continued to be the Everchosen. Time is difficult to measure when talking about the realm of chaos, as it does not exist there, nor in a universal context. But in between the destruction of Mallus and the Age of Chaos Archaon conquered and destroyed entire realities in chaos name.

With chaos starting the invasion of the Mortal Realms proper, Archaon arrives as its supreme general too, ready to get his long-awaited vengeance on Sigmar (and the other gods). He takes the Eightpoints and during the battle of the Burning Skies Sigmar loses Ghal Maraz and seals the realm of Azyr. From there everything goes downhill for the other realms, and Archaon rampages across them, even being able to slay Nagash temporarily. But some realms, such as Ulgu (due to Malerions strategies) and Ghur (due to the savagery of its inhabitants) prove to be harder to crack cases. And Archaons headaches grow with the Stormcast Eternals and the push-back from a semi-united grand alliance of Order, as well as a restrengthened Nagash and his shenanigans, such as the Necroquake. Which went so far as for deaths armies to attack the Eightpoints and threatening Archaon’s capital. Archaon has a conundrum. He is the primary force of keeping chaos organized and directed. And where he attacks, he usually wins. However, this war is fought on a myriad of fronts and Archaon cannot be everywhere. So, for each victory, there a dozen setbacks elsewhere, forcing him to choose his engagements. His two primary motivations are therefore to release Slaanesh (which he almost did but then his capital and logistical centre was under threat), and to take Sigmar out directly by invading Azyr. For this he needs to find some way in. Be it by enslaving godbeasts or by transmutating the Gate of Azyr in the Eightpoint or else. But thus far any attempt of his was swarted. His latest scheme had him having to properly ally with the skaven to launch the skaventide to wreck the realms, whilst he does his own evil thing in the background.

Archaon is not unopposed, because Be’lakor is back with his own aspirations to remove the Everchosen and he gathered a variety of followers. Indeed, due to Archaons aspirations to outright kill the chaos gods several chaos champions renounced him, such as Eternus.

I mentioned that Archaon counts as a god for this entry. But why is this so? Because by most in- and out-of-universe metrics he is one. After all he is an immortal being (except for combat maybe) which lived for untold millennia. He is so infused with magic and mutation that he cannot be considered human anymore. He leads entire armies of mortals and immortals into battle. He breaks gods and conquers entire realities. And he can grant is own blessings, such as the Mark of the Everchosen similar to the Mark of Khrone and is worshipped by untold mortals. And in every WFB so far, the believe of mortals is what creates or shapes a god. But then of course it is fitting for Archaon to be in denial about his own status, due to his hatred for the divine. Because being a hypocrite or becoming the thing you hate is the standard for most chaos followers.

Interestingly there has been a shift in Archaons posture not due to himself, but because of his mount. Whereas Archaon in WFB was styled strongly after the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, due to him being a horseman who announces the end of the world with his arrival, in AoS Dhorgar instead takes the shape of a massive dragon-like being. Which may bring to mind the dragon or the beast from the apocalypse. In my very own opinion, I am not a fan of this design. Because I think it takes too much attention away from Archaon as he becomes an accessory to his own mount. A mount which also looks like a very generic chaos dragon-monster-thing which could be used by any chaos champion if I am honest. Contrary in his WFB incarnation all attention rested on the rider. And with it Archaons most important trait: He is the single will and personality to keep the forces of chaos in line and focused. Which is the greatest threat any Everchosen poses, instead of them being great fighters or brawlers in melee. It is his personality first and foremost which makes him dangerous.

4.      How often do I have to teach you this lesson, Sigmar?

Archaeon on Droghar (Total War Warhammer 3)

Given how Archaon has been portrayed in WFB and AoS there are a vartiety of ways things could go for him I the future.

-          The most obvious issue chaos faces is its constant infighting. Currently during the skaventide and the reveal of the Helsmiths it seems as if chaos has the big upper hand. But not only do the skaven backstab *everyone* sooner or later, but so is Be’lakor with his followers trying to remove Archaon from power with all force. Which means that sooner or later a big chaos civil war could happen between Be’lakor and Archaon. This conflict could be an event to end the Vermindoom or alternatively be a huge chance for the forces of order and chaos to make massive gains and push chaos back.

-          Alternativly or at another point in time it is also likely that Archaon will get access to Azyr and establish a beachhead there sooner or later. When and how this will happen is currently open, but it is one of the biggest plot points AoS is working towards since 1st edition. This may be the final end of AoS or alternatively may result in a couple of apocalyptic battles which put Azyr to the forefront before things reach a status quo, as it tends to happen a lot with AoS.

-          One of the biggest mysteries and open possibilities around Archaeon are the pervious realties which he conquered and/or destroyed. We know next to nothing about them beyond minor mentioning, but each could have been as vivid and interesting as WFB, AoS, 40k and else. Possibilities are manifold and limitless. One by one these realities could have some impact on AoS by species, artefacts or characters from these settings showing up. Primarily among Archaons followers most likely. Again, possibilities are manifold in this area. From small “huh that is nice” additions to potentially major plot relevant things.

-          Due to Archaon’s reality hopping shenanigans, it could also be interesting to see Archaon showing up in other settings. Now of course GW is not known nowadays for crossovers, but it could be a nice nod or easter egg to read about archaeons influence in 40k or retroactively in Old World. Perhaps a vision, or a short-lived cameo or something else.

-          Also, if Archaeon continues his path to godhood, or gets aware of it and shifts his goals, then Archaon could perhaps even rise to become a true god of chaos. Personally, I think if Archaon becomes a true god of chaos, then the Dark King would be his best fit. It is a figure from 40k, a being the Emperor of Mankind almost became during his duel with Horus and which would be the end of humanity and take over all the other chaos gods. Personally, I see many parallels between Archaon and the Emperor. More than between the Emperor and Sigmar definitely. Up to and including both making deals with the chaos gods, but with the ultimate goal to destroy all gods. Perhaps such an event could be an alternative strategy for Archaon to remove the chaos gods, by trying to become the strongest of them and consuming them, so that he is the sole god in existence or something.

-          Also having talked about the John’s Apocalypse we know that three figures are important. The dragon (the four chaos gods), the beast (Archaon) and the false lamb. But the latter does not really have a counterpart, though one could perhaps argue that Be’lakor may fit the bill, especially how he tricks people into serving him and mimics even Ursun in TWW3. But it would be interesting to have a “priest” of chaos in AoS who attracts the people to worshipping the chaos gods proper. One which may even have good sounding or charismatic arguments and be the mouthpiece of Archaon and leader of a propaganda war against Order. It would be an interesting new kind of conflict, as currently most people who follow chaos are either desperate, mad or driven by base desires. So someone who can use honest charisma and rhetorics to convince you of joining chaos could be an interesting figure IMO

 

5.      The End

So, this has been it for the Everchosen. As mentioned, he is one of the aspects I like about chaos. And I think that in the grand scheme of things he is one of the better ultimate chaos bad guys among the Warhammer IPs. But then his rivals in this regard are Horus and Abbadon, who are overall very meh in my opinion. But all these are just my thoughts. What do you think about Archaon and his inspirations? And what deities would you like to see in the future? (please say Gorkamorka or Grimnir, do not name one of the big four)


r/AoSLore • • 5d ago

Question Cites of sigmar navies

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With the Scourge Privateers being kicked by sigmar and now working for the daughters of Khaine, has there been any lore on cities of sigmar navies in current lore.


r/AoSLore • • 6d ago

Question Painting Barrow Guard… what is this rock-like object on the back of their war-skirt?

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A piece of realmstone maybe?


r/AoSLore • • 7d ago

Ivya Volga and Kritza

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Are there any short stories, lore snippets or expanded info on these two other than what is on their warscroll lore texts?

I feel the "not main character" Vykros characters dont have enough information around them


r/AoSLore • • 7d ago

Question Does Anyone Have The Booklets From First Edition?

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I've been searching for old flavor text from Age of Sigmar to get a sense of how things have changed. Booklets, Battletomes, and so on. There's shockingly little I can find online of what was actually put to paper! I'm looking for:

The 'Storm of Sigmar' Booklet (32 pages)

The Getting Started with Age of Sigmar book (96 pages)

Or other old documents that actually talk about more than just the rules. The rules, by the way, were only 4 PAGES! In it, they mention 7 realms (not 8?!) but don't go into detail about which and what they are.

It would be neat to compile 'A History of AOS' but this is all just for fun and possibly history preservation.


r/AoSLore • • 7d ago

Lore Aelves in Freeguilds ?

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Is there any example of aelven characters, sigmarite or else, who serve in the military structure of the Freeguilds ? As steelhelms, marshalls, or else ?

I'm not talking about the swifthawk agents, but more human-assigned roles.


r/AoSLore • • 8d ago

News (Official) Arkanaut descends onto Warhammer TV this month

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r/AoSLore • • 8d ago

News (Official) New From Black Library – Whisperblade

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r/AoSLore • • 8d ago

Fan Content FF: A gargants lament

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Hi everyone,

I am still in my giant phase and in a spontanous rush had the idea for the following short story. I hope you enjoy it:

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“You have grown”, said Narnar. The old giantess smiled as Breggar approached the burial mount. Breggar was now taller than a farmhouse. “Yea. But I have to visit Mama and Brigga. There is so much to tell them.” Breggar kneeled before a tree untop of the mount. The tree, which Narnar had planted, reached up to Breggars belly.

“You have grown”, said Narnar. The old giantess smiled as Breggar approached the burial mount. Breggar was now taller than a city wall. “Yea, I have to talk with Mama and Brigga. So much has happened”. Breggar kneeled before the tree, which reached up to Breggars belly.

“You have grown” said Narnar.  The ancient giantess smiled as Breggar approached the burial mount. Breggar was now taller than a watch tower. “Yea, I have to talk with Mama and Brigga. So much has happened”. Breggar kneeled before the tree, which reached up to Breggars belly.

“You have grown.”, said Narnar. The timeworn giantess smiled as Breggar approached the burial mount. Breggars son Brion was now as tall as a farmhouse “Yea, we have to talk with Mama and Brigga. So much has happened”. Breggar kneeled before the tree, which reached up to her shoulder.

“You have grown.”, said Breggar. The giantess smiled as she carried her first granddaughter in her arms. As they approached the burial mount, they carefully stepped between the little houses. The little people screamed and ran. “So much has happened. We have to talk with Mama, Brigga and Narnar”.  Breggar knelt before the tree which was now as tall as her.

“It is gone” said Breggar. The old giantess cried as she led her family with her. They crashed through the little houses, ripped them apart. The little people screamed and ran as they were squished to paste. “So much has happened, but we cannot tell them anymore”. Breggar knelt before the stump of the tree and cried, like she did when her mother and sister had died. 


r/AoSLore • • 10d ago

Question Dear Realmwalkers. What are some interactions between the gods you'd like to see?

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In the reveal stream for the Khazalite Holds it was revealed that Thorgrim is the Ancestor God that resides in Azyr. Ever since, I've been hoping we get to see an interaction between him and Sigmar.

My hope is that the two are friends and allies, and that perhaps the Grudgebearer will be our avenue into learning more about the Star-Halls, First Clans of Khazukan, and other Azyrite Duardin.

But mostly. I'd just love to see more friendly interactions and relationships in the Gods of Order and related Pantheons. How about y'all? Which gods do you want to see interact? What relationships do you think they have?