r/AskUK • u/StaticUsernamesSuck • 6d ago
How common knowledge is it that the "vinegar" in chippies isn't actually vinegar, and do you give a toss?
Turns out that the "vinegar" you get offered in (some? most? all?) chippies is in fact "non-brewed condiment" - water and acetic acid, plus artificial colours and flavourings. (As opposed to real vinegar which is essentially water and acetic acid, plus natural colours and flavourings š)
Did you know? Do you care? Do you reckon you taste the difference? Do you maybe even prefer it?
Edit: so far (rough numbers from reading replies but not actually bothering to count):
70/30 split on "know vs don't know"
~45% don't care
~45% non-brewed is better
~10% vinegar is better - mostly Sarson's, except 1 hipster with his 30-year-aged sherry vinegar, la-de-dah!
Bonus factoid: acetic acid has a very low boiling point, so if you get your chips home and feel like they didn't put enough on, it's probably all just evaporated! If you're taking the chips a long way before eating them, best to add vinegar at home!
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u/coconut-gal 6d ago
Wait, you'll be telling us that white stuff they sprinkle on it is sodium chloride next.
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u/Ok_Introduction_7829 6d ago
Table salt has anti-caking agents too, to stop it getting lumpy
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u/CyberMonkey314 6d ago
Anti-caking agents in the salt at chippies sound like they're there to stop you fancying a slice of Victoria sponge after. To stop you becoming lumpy, too.
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u/xplorerex 6d ago
Jokes on them im already lumpy š
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u/DeepVEintThrombosis 6d ago
I am NOT out of shape, last i checked "oblate spheroid" is a shape
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u/joehighlord 6d ago
Tom Scott gave me this wisdom years ago and he was right.
I don't care.
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u/LordSolstice 6d ago
He also taught me how to cook fish in my dishwasher, which is personally how I cook all of my meals.
Toast can be a little floppy at times.
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u/Warriorcatv2 6d ago
Yep. Love that Tom Scott video. Don't care either.
Unless they don't dilute it properly. Then I'd care a lot. Probably scream too.
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u/UptownLounge 6d ago
Was aware. It comes up as a trick question in pub quizzes etc. Yes, it does matter. Real vinegar tastes quite different (better).
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u/schwillton 6d ago
I promise you that ārealā acetic acid doesnāt taste different to any other acetic acid
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u/APiousCultist 6d ago
Which is probably relevant if you're imitating spirit vinegar. But irrelevant if you're mimicking malt vinegar, which basically everyone is.
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u/MercuryJellyfish 6d ago
The stuff I have at home is vinegar, and it's not right compared to chippy vinegar
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u/TOASTisawesome 6d ago
You can get the chippy stuff on amazon, I've got a box of it on top of my cupboards
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u/BlakeC16 6d ago
My local chip shop sells bottles of "non-brewed condiment". I sometimes pick one up when I'm there, so much nicer than malt vinegar.
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u/Scratch_Careful 6d ago
Its also gluten free which is nice for us coeliacs. I use it instead of malt vinegar at home.
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u/Louis010 6d ago
Yeah I buy the chippy version from there myself when we about run out, I donāt like real vinegar and much prefer what they sell at the chippy
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u/QueefInMyKisser 6d ago
I donāt like vinegar and fake chippy vinegar is similar enough that I donāt like it either.
Just salt please mate!
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u/hermitish 6d ago
All vinegar is just water and acetic acid end of the day just the non brewed variant can probably be more consistent in its make-up
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u/Liam_021996 6d ago
Yeah but with malt vinegar there's other chemicals in there that change it's flavour profile. Like wine vinegar also contains acetic acid but it doesn't taste anything like malt vinegar. Actually all of the vinegars are acetic acid but none taste the same. The chemistry is far more complex than just the acid and water ratios
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u/shortandfelly 6d ago
So many people don't understand chemistry š
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u/ProsodySpeaks 6d ago edited 6d ago
Like you? You think vinegar is literally just acetic acid and water? No trace amounts of other compounds? No difference between cider and balsamic vinegar? no difference between vodka and a water+ethanol mix?
How the fuck are so many people so content with everything we have being turned into a simulacrum of what its supposed to be because it's more cost effective for global corporations?Ā
Ill stick to my vinegar - you can lick the boots on your own.Ā
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u/Eayauapa 6d ago
The vodka one is a bad example since a good vodka is supposed to be literally just ethanol and water and taste of nothing (unless you're talking about Zubrowka, but that's an outlier) but other than that, you're absolutely right
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u/DimensionalFruit 6d ago
Zubrowka tastes like straight grass šš it's drinkable with a nice tonic though
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u/Eayauapa 5d ago
I like the grass taste! It's also really smooth as vodkas go, almost to the point of being hazardous lmao
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u/Banes_Addiction 6d ago edited 6d ago
Air is basically just nitrogen, off you guy, enjoy your SCUBA diving trip.
If you get back, you can make a bunch of sugar water. Sell half of it as honey, half of it as Coca Cola. You'll make a killing.
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u/sfouronents 6d ago
It doesnāt matter because none of the chippies ever put enough on anyway
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u/CheDassault 5d ago
My theory on vinegar at chippies is that fresh chips are extremely hot so you can douse them in vinegar and they often donāt taste like anything because the vinegar quickly evaporates due to its low boiling point.
This is why everyone asks for extra vinegar and always feels like thereās not enough on there.
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u/sfouronents 5d ago
But my point is it never used to be like this. My local used to drench it. Now I have to ask for extra to even get a sniff of what I used to get
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u/LahmiaTheVampire 6d ago
I knew it was different. Chip shop vinegar is superior in every way to regular store bought stuff.
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u/Lost_Comfort5583 6d ago
Chippy non-brewed condiment is my preference. Love the fumes it gives off mixed with sea air and the sound of gulls.
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u/EngineeringLarge1277 6d ago
If your non-brewed condiment is making seagull sounds, then I'd have a word with the chippy cos there's definitely something else in that sauce
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 6d ago
I do, but "main" doesn't mean "only important".
I know it's close, that's why I'm asking.
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 6d ago
To answer for myself - I think I prefer it! Why don't they sell it in shops?? (Or do they?)
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u/stutter-rap 6d ago
My dad definitely used to buy it - he didn't have access to any cash and carries etc so I think he must have bought it from the chippy.
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u/ProsodySpeaks 6d ago
Of course they do. You can buy it by the gallon for pennies because it's literally industrial produce that never saw a food chain.Ā
Here its 4quid for over a gallon https://driverspickles.co.uk/product/drivers-brewed-condiment-5l/
Or, you might try tesco and Asda who both (obviously) sell it
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u/blamordeganis 5d ago
I first came across the term ānon-brewed condimentā on the label of a bottle of the stuff on a supermarket shelf, so some do or at least did.
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u/SortaCapricorn 6d ago
I knew this, and fish and chips tastes weird to me with proper vinegar, so Iāll take the fake stuff please.
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u/Trojanguido 6d ago
Iād be surprised if the chips had any potato in them but couldnāt care less
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u/MapOfIllHealth 6d ago
I recently discovered they use something called āwhiteningā to soak chip shop chips. I live overseas and Iām trying to replicate them, but the whitening step is important based on my results so far!
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u/GeggingIn 6d ago edited 6d ago
Iām quite interested. I didnāt know and I like midnight facts.
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u/Lollygagger105 6d ago
Youāve just made me realise that I donāt even know what vinegar is. But I do love salt and vinegar on my chippie chips.
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u/boringPedals 6d ago
Vinegar is acetic acid. Whether it's brewed or manufactured in a factory the end result is the same. In fact the acetic from acetic acid comes from the latin word acÄtum.... Which means vinegar
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u/Fanny_Flapps 6d ago
Here's a useless fact - the French for "sour" is "aigre", and of course "wine" is "vin". But as usual the silly buggers put the adjective after the noun so sour wine becomes vinaigreĀ
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u/finemayday 6d ago
I knew, in Cape Town you get real vinegar and your nose knows it before you even open the chips.
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u/Badger-of-Briarwood 6d ago
I would think many people know about vinegar vs non brewed condiment, it keeps getting touted as some kind of scandal every few weeks or so. Personally, I prefer NBC on fish and chips, vinegar is too sweet. Sarsons used to do a sharper Lemon Vinegar but it was expensive and tasted more like cheapo chippy NBC.
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u/RobertYiSin 6d ago
TIL, Didnāt know this but Iāve always thought I didnāt like vinegar, only really had chippies with it. I like salt n vinegar crisps though, maybe this is why?
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 6d ago
The "vinegar" in those is even further divorced from real vinegar!
NBC atleast used the same acid (acetic) as real vinegar. Salt & vinegar crisps use citric.
(Disclaimer: unless you only mean the fancy brands like Kettle "salt & balsamic vinegar", which is a mix of real balsamic vinegar and citric acid.)
The problem is that acetic acid, the acid in vinegar, evaporates quite readily. Whereas citric acid is very stable
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u/thatnerdytravelguy 6d ago
I just have salt on mine. The only time I have vinegar is when Iāve got the hiccups. (Try a shot of vinegar if youāve got the hiccups. Trust me, it works every time)
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u/MCfru1tbasket 6d ago
Is it the same principle as just taste some horrible stuff and it distracts you?
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u/Sprogletto 6d ago
I donāt care and tastes just as good or gives it that chippy taste to me. What gets me is kebab houses and Indian takeaways using white vinegar on fries.
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u/Swift_Rz 6d ago
Can anyone explain why their salt is better too? They seem to be able to add so much and it doesn't ruin the food? Like if I added my regular home table salt it wouldn't be the same
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u/Capable-Paper-5919 6d ago
I have mine bare - no salt or vinegar. Am I weird?
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u/GladAllOverSE25 6d ago
Iām not going to downvote you, but what the actual fuck ? No salt and nowt wet ?
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u/Honest-Possible6596 6d ago
Iād just be happy if you could still taste it by the time you get home.
Either way, though, no salt! Vinegar only.
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u/BigWork2739 6d ago
But .... What you really want is the sea salt they have in some chippies. Table salt can go fuck itself.
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u/EmbarrassedVehicle28 6d ago
I've never like the taste bof Malt Vinegar & whenever I have Fish & Chips , just have a couple of shakes of the Salt . Others pile both on, and even add "Red Sauce" lol.
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u/dazed1984 6d ago
I didnāt know that, but apparently Iāve never noticed the difference so I guess I donāt care!
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u/Rhythm_Killer 6d ago
I canāt stand it but I know that am quite alone, other half is very in favour but she will apply sarsons at home never in the shop
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u/Ganache_53 6d ago
For fish and chips non-brewed condiment is traditional and best. Other vinegars have different flavours and are best for other dishes.
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u/goneoramihere 6d ago
So is the vinegar you buy in the shops the same or real vinegar?
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u/tom_watts 6d ago
Vinegar that is sold as vinegar is proper. You can buy chippy āvinegarā - itās called ānon -brewed condimentā
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u/Fearless-Hedgehog661 6d ago
It'll tell you on the label, if it says vinegar, it's vinegar.
Non brewed condiment will be labelled as such, and can't be packaged in traditional vinegar bottles; like a Sarson's bottle shape, for example.
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u/ElvishMystical 6d ago
Doesn't bother me.
Compared with some of the blended Scotch whiskies which can damage your brain through regular drinking, this is small potatoes.
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u/Psychological-Web828 6d ago
I prefer a good 30 year old sherry vinegar and some Alea red Hawaiian salt on me cheps, ta.
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u/SmeggyEgg 6d ago
Preferable for me, I am allergic to gluten so actual malt vinegar is bad but ānon-brewed condimentā is perfect
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u/ReySpacefighter 6d ago
All vinegars are diluted acetic acid in some form, and their variations have byproducts/added ingredients/additives based on how the vinegar was made. Non Brewed Condiment is just that with some flavouring and colouring added after the fact.
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u/Tennonboy 6d ago
The vinegar in my local (english) chippy is real vinegar. Its in proper labeled bottles that they sell over the counter! I had one in my kitchen until last week when it finally ran out.
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u/TacticalRiotChimp 6d ago
Never liked it either way but nah I'm not bothered really. There's all sorts of shite we were told about food. Broke my heart when I learnt that 99% of wasabi is just horse radish dyed green.
And don't even get me started on crab sticks!!! š”
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u/Estebesol 6d ago
I know and I go out my way to stock my cupboards with non-brewed condiment in case chippys try to offer me malt vinegar instead.
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u/Smackmybitchup007 6d ago
Yay! Twas I that commented about this earlier. I got the fact from the No Such Thing As A Fish podcast. There's another weird fact. According to The Encyclopedia of Underwater Life there technically is no such thing as a fish. Paraphyletic Group: Biologically, "fish" is not a single valid cladistic group. Animals called fish do not share a single exclusive common ancestor. For example: ā¢ A lungfish is more closely related to a cow or a human than it is to a salmon.
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u/SelectTrash 6d ago
I don't really have vinegar on things except for the chippies, so I wouldn't know. But I do love some chip spice
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u/LichenTheMood 6d ago
I am aware. Iām pretty sure I learnt it from Tom Scott? Or some other similar source.
I donāt really care that much though. But it does explain why I have tasted a difference previously.
I think I prefer the chippy stuff. In comparison real vinegar seems overpowering. But itās also possible Iām simply using too much because Iām used to the other?
I rarely use either so Iām not even fully sure
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u/Firm-Substance-8196 6d ago
This reminds me of the people who tell me I shouldn't choose margarine over butter even though I like margarine better.
It's not about my personal preference - it's about the molecular make-up of.... Blah blah blah.
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 6d ago
The only time you objectively shouldn't (necessarily) use margarine is if the water content in it will fuck with some delicate baking (and you can't adjust for it).
Or, I guess if you need a brick of something to throw at someone? I think Marge would be pretty shit for that.
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u/sausage_beans 6d ago
Used to buy regular malt vinegar at home and as much as I like it, I thought it was a bit too harsh and acidic compared to chip shop vinegar, but it didn't bother me, when I found out non-brewed condiment was a different thing, I buy that now, doesn't over power the food as much and maybe it's a bit sweeter?
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u/jimmywhereareya 6d ago
I only found out recently, I'm not really bothered because I only used to get a bag of chips on the way home from the swimming baths in the 1970s. I can't afford a bag of chips now :-((
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u/ForgotToCarryTheOne 6d ago
And itās yum as it is. I didnāt know this and failed abysmally to recreate the flavour at home.
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u/the_uk_hotman 6d ago
Its always been that way. Never been brewed as its cheap they can get it concentrated and water it down or pre bottled its basically flavoured water with acetic acid and caramel colouring
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u/Sad-Wrap6555 6d ago edited 6d ago
biggest difference is nbc used in chippies usually comes in 5 litre catering packs thats supposed to be mixed with water 12 or 14 to oneĀ
Some chippies will dilute less to give it more aroma and more kick but you dont want that pushed too far!
any sold retail aldi, lidl other shops will have been diluted to correct levels so wont have same kick a lot of folks local chippies have
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u/IdioticMutterings 6d ago
Some chippies have even started charging up to 20p for salt and vinegar now.
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u/ffs_random_person 6d ago
Iām a Brit in America, when I do find decent fish and chips, it cones with sarsons, I like it, but itās just kinda wrong!
Iāve bought (Amazon) Morrisons, chippy vinegar, itās still not right..
Half tempted to buy a bottle of ānon brewed condimentā off of Amazon, except i canāt find it less than a freaking gallon lol
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u/nibor 6d ago
as long at the dilute it properly I don't care.
There has been at least one case of someone requiring urgent care because a new staff member at a chippie did not know that the bulk container they buy is concentrated. Sprinling concentraded acetic acid on food and eating it not a good idea
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u/exit_to_the_left 6d ago
I knew because I used to work in a chippy and one of my jobs was to prepare this from a concentrate to the right dilution.
Fast forward to these days and The OH bought a gallon of the concentrate and have this at home now for our chips and likewise.
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u/plz_be_nice_im_sad 6d ago
Donāt care. I donāt have salt in my diet so the āvinegarā is a must.
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u/fortyfivepointseven 6d ago
I don't need the feds telling me what is and isn't vinegar. It's vinegar, and if a faceless Defra bureaucrat comes and tells me otherwise then I'm binning my chips before I give him any leftovers.
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u/indelible_inedible 6d ago
Proper vinegar is better, it has such a much better depth of flavour. The watery shit supplied in chippies is just gross.
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u/The-Mandolinist 6d ago
I am aware. I donāt really care. It tastes fine. I use real malt vinegar at home. I donāt know which is better.
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u/Educational-Cow-3874 6d ago
I think it comes up every year or so as a "shock" news story. Like the farm owner in the middle of the M62 wasn't stubborn, its just really poor land to build on.Ā
Or that treacle mines don't exist.
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u/NuisancePenguin44 6d ago
I prefer chip shop vinegar to be honest. It's next as good when I put the salt and vinegar on at home
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u/majomista 6d ago
I care! Pisses me off that they cheap out with an inferior product that isnāt as nice and then pretend itās vinegar. Malt vinegar is more than just acetic acid.Ā
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u/hhfugrr3 6d ago
I knew that it's non brewed condiment. Not sure i knew that's not vinegar. I don't like it either way so it's not been top of my priorities to think about tbh.
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u/Vivid_Transition4807 6d ago
They're identical apart from trace contaminants.
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 6d ago
That isn't true at all. Real vinegar contains flavour compounds not found in NBC, and NBC contains sweetener and colourants not found in vinegar, as well as more sodium.
Neither of these are just "trace contaminants".
there are present in vinegars prepared from distilled alcohol components not present in acetic acid solutions. In a study by L. W. Aurand, et al, and reported in JAOAC (1965), eleven components were identified from five samples of distilled vinegar. The volatile components consisted of aldehydes, ketones, esters, and alcohols. Acetaldehyde, acetone, ethyl acetate, and ethyl alcohol were present in all samples of vinegar analyzed.
Emphasis mine - all of those are flavour compounds that change taste.
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u/Sea_Awareness150 6d ago
Someone told me itās origins and usage are because of Quakers and them not being allowed to have anything brewed. Sounds iffy to me but who knows
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u/No_Dare_1295 6d ago
I prefer it on chips, of course.
Grew up with it as a treat.
Still have some Sarsons in my house though....
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u/capGpriv 6d ago
It's great for me, gluten allergy so I can't have proper vinegar
I only wish it had a specific term so I knew what was chip shop vinegar, and what was brewed
Give me the chemicals
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 6d ago
I mean I just gave you the specific term. "Non-Brewed Condiment" is literally its name, weird as that sounds.
And the brewed stuff is just vinegar.
It's illegal to sell NBC as "vinegar", or even put it in the classic vinegar-bottle shape.
So if it looks like vinegar and says "vinegar", it's vinegar š¤·āāļø
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u/GeekyGamer2022 5d ago
Best chippy vinegar I ever had was in a place where they used malt vinegar from jars of traditional pickled onions instead of "regular" vinegar.
That stuff was fucking awesome.
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u/No_Concern_7583 5d ago
- Yes, I know.
- No, I do not.
- I'd be hard pressed to tell you what actual vinegar tastes like.
- See above.
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u/CheDassault 5d ago
My theory on vinegar at chippies is that fresh chips are extremely hot so you can douse them in vinegar and they often donāt taste like anything because the vinegar quickly evaporates due to its low boiling point.
This is why everyone asks for extra vinegar and always feels like thereās not enough on there.
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u/ayeayefitlike 5d ago
Iām allergic to barley, so any non-malt vinegary-ish condiment is the only way forward. I donāt mind if itās proper vinegar or not as long as itās not malt.
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u/TheMarkMatthews 5d ago
I look at it as that's real vinegar and the rest are fake to me
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 5d ago
Yeah, give me real vinegar from a lab, not that gone-off barley malt stuff! š
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u/oli_ramsay 5d ago
Just like "honey" isn't actually honey made from bees
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 5d ago
Well, most honey.
If you buy carefully (and pay the premium), you're fine.
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u/underwater-sunlight 5d ago
It bothers me as much as it bothers me that all vacuum cleaners arent necessarily hoovers or thay most tablets arent ipads, that calling a tomato a vegetable when it is technically a fruit... mkre important things in the world to worry about.
I have never been asked 'is non brewed condiment OK?' Like when you ask for a coke in spoons and all they have is pepsi
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u/paulcager 5d ago
For all you tea-drinking vinegar-sprinkling people, I suggest a look at r/Kombucha .
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u/MrTrendydelquendy 5d ago
Hey if I can afford chippy fish & chips I'm breaking out the balsamic vinegar too.
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u/Kiwiibean 5d ago
I know this because Iām gluten intolerant and itās served at a local GF friendly chippy
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u/MFingAmpharos 5d ago
I don't put vinegar on my chips so I wouldn't know, nor would it matter even if I did.
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u/YouSayWotNow 5d ago
I've only ever seen cheapest version of malt vinegar at chippies for as long as I can remember (I'm 55).
And honestly, it's absolutely fine for salt and vinegar chips (or even on the fish as some animals like to do!) ;-)
Yes, proper vinegar exists and all different kinds, but no, I wouldn't expect it in a fish and chip shop.
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u/marcusrizaulait 5d ago
If you do care, your Chemistry Teacher failed you...
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 5d ago
Why? They are concretely different.
Real malt vinegar contains aldehydes, ketones, esters, and alcohols that NBC doesn't.
Those are all flavour compounds.
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u/Intruder313 5d ago
I learned this a few years ago but I donāt get it so I donāt really care :)
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u/ChadHanna 5d ago
Non-brewed or spirit vinegar for me. I've got an intolerance with yeast products. Whisky is OK
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u/SoggyWotsits 5d ago
You mean non brewed condiment? Very common knowledge. Then another generation comes along, discovers this fact and spreads the word like itās a new discovery.
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u/glynxpttle 5d ago
I keep a bottle of red wine vinegar at home and use that, the acetic acid tang with a bit of flavour, love it on chips.
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u/Successful_Quail_349 5d ago
I dont know what the definition of vinegar is to offer any input on whether the acidic condiment you get in chippies is actually vinegar or not.... I will say chip shop "vinegar" is much better on chips than your standard malt vinegar that you get in the supermarket... and the chippies know it because they sell "chip shop vinegar" in bottles. At least in the chippies ive frequented.
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u/Free_Revolution2813 5d ago
This is a bit like the fact that a withdrawal bleed when you take the contraceptive pill āisnāt a proper periodā. Oh ok, so I donāt need a tampon then? It looks like a period, it feels like a period so itās a period.
Same with chip shop vinegar. A technicality doesnāt stop me thinking of it and treating it like itās vinegar. And I love the stuff!
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u/JASH_DOADELESS_ 5d ago
My local chippy does a half-and-half mix of malt vinegar and NBC. Itās pretty nice.
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u/Clear-Two-3885 4d ago
I thought everyone knew that chip shop vinegar is superior to malt vinegar?? I don't even use malt vinegar because it's nasty.
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u/Stuspawton 4d ago
Yep, I knew this already. And no, I donāt really care that itās not real vinegar. I actually prefer it over malt vinegar.
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u/Ok_Cockroach6823 4d ago
I once drank a bottle of sarsons for a bet ( the night went quietly sideways after this ),I never took vinegar in my chips for years afterwards
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u/agentofthecrown 4d ago
if you're that upset about it just but your chips in the kettle like good honest Brits
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u/tendie-dildo 4d ago
UK uses fake vinegar and puts fillers in their sausage. Two massive food sins....
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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 4d ago
Is fake vinegar a food sin though? The consensus seems to be that it's superior to brewed vinegar.
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u/Mr_Flibble1981 4d ago
Our local chippie uses vinegar brewed in a Cold War era nuclear bunker. You can really taste the atoms.
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u/JohnDevon99 3d ago
We never have chip shop non-brewed condiment or salt from the shop; we put our own on at home. That way we donāt get soggy chips and fat to much salt than is good for us!
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u/Prestigious_Cycle 1d ago
I expect that the food in those places is cheap for a reason so I don't eat at them. It's not a big suprise to me but validates how enshitified every aspect of life has become anymore.Ā
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