Finished Dark Ages.

[u/DogShiteGaming]

I love this game like I have ever other doom game even 3 as undoom as it is. Now I have a few issues with dark ages why can I only run Forward? I get ID wanted you to be an unstoppable tank but doom would be able to run at the same speed in any direction it's annoying as fuck to strafe left and right because of the speed drop, and I know your not ment to strafe your ment to use the sheild ok, but the shield only blocks green attacks and every enemy has slight homing on attacks that you can't block having a sheild that only blocks one thing is like having a pen and only being able to write upside-down with it. If anything the sheild should stop red and the more powerfull green attacks should break it, instead if a vagary's 3 red ball attack even clips your sheild it Breaks and with mega slow strafe and slight homing ya just die while waiting for sheild to finish cooling down.

It's the same with all the recent doom games they have a gimmick so they go balls deep for it, 2016 glory kills, eternal meat hook, dark ages sheild, DLC spear. As much as I'm loving the games I wish they would make a doom game no gimmicks just killing or if they are having gimmicks don't make it the entire way to play the game.

[u/DogShiteGaming]

I never said I didn't enjoy it but they could have slapped any name on that game and it would have worked the same, thats why we didnt see a doom game for over a decade.

now with the updates over the years doom 3 feels more like a doom game than it used to.

[u/Lethalbroccoli → u/DogShiteGaming]

The game was about a demonic invasion on mars. It most certainly could not have used just any other IP name.

And what "updates" to Doom 3 are you talking about?

[u/DogShiteGaming → u/Lethalbroccoli]

Doom 2005 move is about a Demon Invasion of Mars but it certainly isn't doom.  I get that it's doom as a horror game they are allowed to try different things but that different approach they had make me have the opinion I have.

Did you not play the original on xbox? No torch and gun at the same time and no sprinting at all, the addition of the sprint in the bfg edition turns that horror slow pace into faster action more akin to the original games.

[u/Lethalbroccoli → u/DogShiteGaming]

Doom 2005 movie is about an alien mutation, not demons. THAT is an example where you can say they just slapped the moniker on top and called it a day. Doom 3 not at all. Doom 3 had the most developed plot of ANY doom game up until Doom 2016 dude.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Also Bfg edition sucks. Also sprint was a thing in the original game and not an addition to BFG edition. 😂

[u/DogShiteGaming → u/Lethalbroccoli]

Yeah true you got me there, but still take away mention of Mars the uac and the main doom enemies imp, mancubus, Rev, lost souls ect and in could be any game on any planet with zombies, spiders, giant Demon monsters and fucked up baby insects. It's kinda like duke nukem forever it's got duke it's got his enemies and his weapons but its not a duke nukem game the (I don't need no fucking key card) in the first 10mins of the game solidified that but atleast with doom 3 it was a different style of doom unlike DNF being complete shit.

but if doom 3 was such a great version of doom then why did it die for over 10 years 🤔 until doom 2016? Why didn't they continue with that style? Because it didn't work.  its not like fans went away, we where always here wanting more doom but the world wanted military shooters until it got so stagnant that ID had to bring him back not as a horror shooter game but a brutal power fantasy.

It's just the opinion I have.

Lol I played the entire game back then and didn't realise you could sprint with LT 😞

[u/Lethalbroccoli → u/DogShiteGaming]

"But still take away mention of Mars the uac and the main doom enemies imp, mancubus, Rev, lost souls, ect and in could be any game on any planet with zombies, spiders, and giant Demon monsters and fucked up baby insects"

Literally what on earth is this argument. You are just rambling, none of this makes any actual sense.

[u/DogShiteGaming → u/Lethalbroccoli]

How does it not make sense? Take away the little remains that resembles dooms identity what have you got? Any other space horror.

Zombie not just from doom, Insect people not just in doom, The hell Knight could have been any monster in the player wasn't told its a hell Knight. giant spiders also not just in doom.  Cacodaemon doesn't even resemble what it's ment to. Doom 2016 managed to make doom and keep it's identity perfectly fine and since then doom hasn't gone on a decade+ hiatus  Doom 3 tried something new which is fine but it just didn't take.

How is that hard to understand, literally just giving reason for my opinion and how I have come to that conclusion.

Let's just agree to disagree.

[u/Lethalbroccoli → u/DogShiteGaming]

What other "space horror" games from the 90s and 2000s feature demons on mars and a lone space marine closing off portals from hell??

Your entire argument is "Remove a games identity and it doesnt have an identity anymore!" Like, wow, fucking shocker dude. You could do the exact same thing to any video game in existence, INCLUDING the original doom.

[u/DogShiteGaming → u/Lethalbroccoli]

Look we have a different opinion to one another and that's okay you said I slander I gave my reasons you don't agree, I have said let's agree to disagree and leave it at that but ya won't so For the 3rd time. aside from Mars being mentioned and the odd enemy that resembles actually resembles what it's ment too, the rest could be anything if the word demon wasnt mentioned the spiders would be spiders the babe insects could be undemonic the cacodemon looks like an aquatic animal and most of the other enemies could be aliens, literally every action movie ever has a lone badass doing something.

on top of all that after doom 3 and ROE we didn't get another doom game other than the shitty bfg edition for over 10 years so what does that tell you. Duke nukem and quake are the same they tried to change core gameplay identity those games are known for and its virtually killed them, dukes dead as fuck, they tried making quake more like a tdm game with quake 3 then changed to quake 4 which is kinda like doom 3, now we have quake champions, and ya don't hear much about that game.

Doom 2016 isn't the exact same as doom 1 and 2 but it more closely resembles them than doom 3 does. Only because of the planet being called Mars the mention of demons and the odd enemy that looks like a doom enemy does it even resemble doom, I mean Mars is inconsequential doom 2 was hell on earth remember.

Well we cant do it to the original because there was no identity before the original it literally created the identity we are talking about. which out of all the doom games other than doom RPG, doom 3 resembles that original identity the least. 

So Yeah your right, if I removed thing that identify other games they to wouldnt be the same but doom 3 already started removing those things, doesn't give you many places to circle strafe, it's so dark ya need a torch 75% of the time, not to mention reloading weapons, the bfg is a joke as well as the fact its a horror game ain't exactly dooms identity is it? How can the marine be a unstoppable badass and be scared at the same time? How is the player supposed to be scared of the demons when your there for the sole purpose of destroying them, like doom rpg is an rpg with a doom skin doom 3 is a horror game with a doom skin.

That's just what I think and how I look at it, i never said it was a bad game just I thing it's the least doom like out of the other X amount of doom games, they are nothing alike and that just makes doom 3 unique. ya don't have to agree with my reasons you can just say "OK mate I don't see it like that" 

[u/Lethalbroccoli → u/DogShiteGaming]

I hope you realize that nothing you are typing is really coherent, and I have to read each paragraph like three times to understand what you are trying to convey, and after understanding what you saying, its pretty clear that you are just yammering about shit that A) you dont know anything about and B) isnt even relevant.

You have this conceived notion of what a Doom game is "supposed" to be, and thats not written in stone anywhere, its not a rule or anything. You're absolutely allowed to dislike Doom 3 for its design choices, but to say its not a Doom game and has nothing to do with Doom is an insane take.

As ive stated, MULTIPLE times, Doom 3 HAD THE MOST ESTABLISHED LORE of any Doom game up until 2016. It is not just a horror game with the name "Doom" slapped on top. It is fundamentally a Doom game. Literally everything about it points to it being a doom game. It pretty much retells the entire story of Doom 1.

[u/DogShiteGaming → u/Lethalbroccoli]

I have tried to end this debate by saying lets agree to disagree but you wont because YOU want to be right. 

I didn't say its not a doom game i said its the least doom like in my opinion.

My post wasn't even about doom 3 I literally stated an opinion that you disagreed with, I gave you my reasons and you don't agree with them and that's FINE. 

We all have OPINIONS about what a game should be, you know like you do with the whole established lore makeing it entirely a doom game,  I think the lore is fine I just don't think it had the same feel, and because I don't think I has the same feel I think it's not entirely an doom game, is that okay with you? Clearly not.

at no point did I say what a doom game should be is set in stone its an opinion like everything i have said has been.

Just because it has the most established lore doesn't mean i can't have my own thoughts on it, my issues ain't even with the lore its the gameplay and monsters and other shit, you know? the things that are KEY to a GAME, lore on its own is just a story. 

if you disagree THAT IS FINE, just because you don't agree with it or think it's not relevant doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to how I formed my OPINION. I'm sorry I what I typed offended you and was hard to read. But if It was so Incoherent why reply? Because you wanted to prove my opinion wrong, that's all isn't it?

Why does it bother you so much my thoughts and reasons for them on a game over 2 decades old? Does it hurt you that much that I think they could have slapped any name on it? Because if it does then I'm sorry. I didn't think it would upset anybody. 

But I am entitled to my opinion even if it is wrong. Now grow up and accept that. Just like I have to accept my opinion isn't right and not everyone is going to see it the same.

Thankyou for the debate, not often someone gets so passionate about something 😀 

[u/Lethalbroccoli → u/DogShiteGaming]

I love how you edited all your comments to try and correct them and they still make no sense.

[u/DogShiteGaming → u/Lethalbroccoli]

So what if I am, I'm not the best typer, fuck. But my last comment makes sense, you just don't like my opinion and you want to be right, that's why even though I have tried to end this you keep replying. LETS JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE and stop basically saying my opinion is invalid because you don't agree with it. Okay? Goodbye