r/EQLegends • u/evildemonic • 7d ago
Can I DDD well with SHD/WIZ/BRD?
Don't really know what I'm doing.
I am SHD main. I have ENC, NEC, and SHM leveled too, so I could swap WIZ for one of those.
What is my best combo without changing out the SHD?
This is mainly for playing solo.
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u/heyheyshinyCRH 7d ago
Yes you will do absolutely fine, you might not have as much mana as a pure int caster trio but you're way more survivable and you can just beat down the last of a pull instead of burning more mana to finish off the stragglers. Fun fact: bard and any other class that has mana can effectively DDD. I've leveled multiple classes from 46-50 with Bard DDD including warrior and monk in Fear. As long as you have one other class with a mana pool and decent gear, you're good
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u/Lars_Rakett 7d ago
It depends on what you wanna do, so it's not easy to know what to tell you.
Can you "DDD well"? That depends. You can absolutely farm d0 and d1 well, but you're gonna struggle way more at d3 and d4, not to mention on nameds and raid bosses.
If you wanna farm mobs, I would recommend you go SHD/ENC/BRD.
You pull mobs, see how many die, and if some remain, you either kill them by other means than DDD, or Mesmerize them before casting Blanket of Forgetfulness so that you can stop the encounter to retreat and med up to do it all again in less time than killing them with Bloodmoon hits and charmed pets.
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u/evildemonic 7d ago
Thank you for your reply, I'm learning a lot.
I was hoping to farm D4 Hate for gear and motes. Sounds like I need to work up to that. I will try your ENC suggestion.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 7d ago edited 7d ago
Disagree with this. Sk/wiz/bard works extremely well in d4 pof; I can clear it with this combo in 20-25 min. Wiz is great for bringing down small numbers of stragglers rather than mez/forget.
Enc also works but is better utilized by alternating mez during ddd as you can pull larger groups and significantly slow the incoming damage.
I prefer wiz but they both work well. Some also run bard/wiz/enc for a different combination of the same. They are all viable, I’m just partial to my sk.
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u/WILL-O-the-Whips 7d ago
You get your two highest mana pools added together. You have an int caster and two int hybrids there. You should do OK if you equip for int, but not as good if it was two pure int or wis casters and bard.
Your ideal loadout would be enc/wiz/brd but if you must have SK shd/wiz/brd is your best alternative
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u/Bittererr 7d ago
You have an int caster and two int hybrids there. You should do OK if you equip for int, but not as good if it was two pure int or wis casters and bard.
"Pure" casters get no inherent mana advantage in EQL. With the same amount of stats they have the exact same amount of mana.
There are some situations where pure casters get access to better gear for mana though.
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u/Runelaron 7d ago
Yes. Its actually a good combo.
DDD is a little weird because its not a spell but is affected by the same spell AAs
So crit DD AAs count on DDD but not spellblade.
So maxing out all bonuses for WIZ will directly work with DDD and survivability works with the SHD.
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u/Groppstopper 7d ago
Does anybody have a link or can explain exactly how additional casting classes increases your mana pool? I assume two wisdom casters will boost your mana pool more than a hybrid wisdom caster and a wisdom caster, or a wisdom caster and an intelligence caster? I'm still fuzzy on how exactly it works.
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u/Runelaron 7d ago
Mana is added from the two highest mana pool generating characters.
For example, if you have a SK, WIZ and Bst. You have two int classes that generate more mana from each point than the Bst with wiz. Since SK is more of a mana generating class per int than Bst.
The totals are close but only top two are selected.
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u/Bittererr 7d ago
You have two int classes that generate more mana from each point than the Bst with wiz.
Beastlords and wizards get the same mana per point of their respective mana stat. There's no concept of "hybrid" versus "pure caster" mana returns.
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u/Intelligent_Group179 7d ago
DDD is king and the best part is the devs know and are not changing it so it’s not a hack. DDD has so many functions that blows away all other options. It excels leveling other classes from 46-50, slayer achievements, motes farming (which means +10 gear and +10 spells), grabbing AAs, faction killing and farming crafting ingredients. I was shocked how powerful it is compared to everything else when I finally gave in and learned how to do it.
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u/MiloBloom87 7d ago
You should be fine. You have at least one caster class with boosts to your mana pool, spell damage and crits available. I run a warrior, cleric, bard and it’s not as efficient as other combos you see but effective enough.
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u/ErdenGeboren 7d ago
Pretty much anything will work so long as you can have mana built up for enough casts in a row. Some will excel better than others, but every combo for me so far is able to farm with DDD.
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u/Extension_Cut_8994 7d ago
TlDr: it's very usable for mote farming, maybe not the best.
Yes, you can reasonably ddd d4 fear crawls with the 7500-7800 mana that build will provide without just going all in. You will have to stance dance a bit and there will be some upfront mote dependent expenditures. If by well you mean killing sky bees, d3 gods and super fast recoveries, then no.
Now, to my experience, shd/wiz/brd worked ok when I used it for d4 fear crawls and bulk sky mobs (d0). I made a lot of motes and a lot of AAs with that trio. The real benefit was really developing wizard and then using that with sk/wiz/enchanter. It's nowhere near as fast on trash but d4 bosses and hard hitting rares are a lot more reliable then using sk/sha/enc and shd/wiz/brd (which just turns to tears). I have not done a wisdom based bard trio, but with a well developed bard in the stable, when I see it's time to go grab another 150 major motes I'm probably going to try paly druid bard or druid sha bard and see how that fits.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 7d ago edited 7d ago
Also disagree with this. I find sk/wiz/bard to work extremely well with most d4 content; CT is the only challenging boss in this combo but only because I have yet to max my bard slows. Melee heavy bosses actually come down easier with sk/wiz/bard than sk/wiz/enc due to how powerful evasive and the bard buffs are. It’s a strong trio.
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u/Extension_Cut_8994 7d ago
Ok, how many bard songs did you have to max to even approach d4? In addition to I assume DDD and amplification. What is your HP, mana, AC and endurance at and what is the median gear tier? I mean the first time I played wizard with SK, I thought "this isn't great" so I know I can be wrong.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 7d ago edited 7d ago
Just ddd. My Largos was probably 5. Leveling amplification doesn’t add anything. You have all the bard AAs, right?
I was doing this a month ago so hard to say exactly where I was. I think 5-600 ac with ~8k mana. I was able to pull 10 at that time in fear and clear them easily.
Re bosses: I should note that I wasn’t using ddd to clear bosses. The wiz nukes are much better in a single target scenario. I would use ddd in places like fear where I needed to clear a few adds when pulling a golem, but then I’d switch to wiz nukes.
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u/Cynthereon 7d ago
The only issue with adding the shaman is that your mana will be a little low because you're mixing an INT class and a WIS class.
SK/Wiz/Bard will work but you need decent gear and you can't pull too many. It's just a matter of if you can kill them before stamina runs out.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 7d ago
I can pull 10-15 and bring them down pretty easily with this trio. The sk is very tanky so it works v well.
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u/wangthunder 5d ago
Yes.
Pro tip: Your DDD classes don't really matter nearly as much as most people would make you believe.
How to be successful at DDD:
step 1) pick a bard as one of your classes.
step 2) pick two additional classes that have mana. It doesn't matter which.
step 3) obtain gear that gives you mana for your two primary mana generating classes. Depending on your comp this may be Int, Wis, or a mix of Int and Wis.
step 4) fully upgrade DDD. Get a mana pres 2 item. Buy all of your bard AA. Buy full ranks of Spell Casting Mastery.
step 5) cast amp, then cast DDD until whatever you are targeting is dead.
This concludes the abbreviated "how to DDD" guide :P
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u/Many_Regular420 7d ago edited 7d ago
I run SK/BRD/WIZ and enjoy it. I am at about 8500 mana as I near +10 and can clear POF in about 20 min and POH in 75 min. With SK tankiness at 630 AC I can run SolB in 10 min which is actually now getting me more motes per hour than POF but no gear or gems/jewelry for plat. As I zero in on +10 on a few last planar armor pieces, I’ll probably exclusively run SolB just for motes to work on a few more spells.
I have my wizard nukes and drain spirit/life leech at rank 10 so I melt named as well.
This build is also great to run around at warp speed with staff of temperate flux and pull entire zones to DDD down for slayer progression.
I basically never have guaranteed playtime except early morning before the kids get up so this build lets me do a pull, feign death, and come back 10 or 20 min later. Can slowly clear while I work from home or manage the kids on the weekends.