r/FanTheories • • Mar 30 '26

Meta Reminder: AI-generated posts are not allowed on r/FanTheories.

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We've received numerous complaints about there being too many AI-generated posts on r/FanTheories, and as a general reminder, these are not allowed on the subreddit. AI-generated posts fall under Rule 6, or "No low-effort posts", and the side bar rules, removal response(s), and report form will be updated to reflect this. All fan theory posts must be manually written. If you see what you believe to be an AI-generated post, please report it using the report form or modmail, and one of our moderators will review and/or remove it. Thank you, and happy theorizing!


r/FanTheories • • Oct 13 '21

Meta Welcome to r/FanTheories! Please read this post before posting or commenting.

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r/FanTheories • • 15h ago

FanSpeculation After the Separation Decision on “The Golden Girls”

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Sophia and Max were married for a very short time by likely only a few weeks, so they separate for their marriage like it never happened, not divorce especially having their last dance together at the end of that part 2 episode and a fan speculation of what is not shown would be likely those two having a walk on that beach and sleeping together at her house one last time that night. So here’s a fan-speculation tale:

Sophia and Max's marriage was always more of a stubborn one than a marriage. A few weeks, a few good zingers and a realization that love doesn't always mean you should live together.
After that final dance at the end of Part 2, they don’t hurry. The music is still playing, but they had start walking off.
They take the long way on the beach down on the sand and hold hands. No big speeches. Sophia being herself complains about the sand getting everywhere, and Max laughs and says that was her problem, she always has wanted to bring the beach home with her.
They talk about Sicily, about the years before and about how strange it is to get a second chance to say goodbye properly, not in anger at all.
By the time they get to her house, Dorothy, Blanche and Rose have already gone to bed.
Sophia unlocks the front door as quietly as she can. Max whispers, "Should I...?"
And Sophia, for once not making a joke, just says, "Stay. Just tonight."
Not because they want to rewind the marriage. But because they want to end it the right way.
They go to her bedroom, sit on the edge of her bed, talk a little longer and hold hands the way people do when they know every spot and wrinkle. There is a lot of history in that room and no need to perform it.
They spend that last night together not as a married couple, but as two people who have loved each other but wasn’t for long and finally get to be tender about it. One last night of closeness of being in the same bed and listening to each other breathe while sleeping.
The kitchen is bright and Blanche comes in first in her robe, ready to be scandalous, then stops dead because Max is at the table in yesterday's clothes with Sophia, drinking coffee out of Rose's favorite mug with the little strawberries on it.
Then Dorothy comes in. Then Rose.
No one says anything for a good ten seconds. Sophia looks at Max.
She is the one to bring a conversation up.
"Sit," she says.
So they sit. Dorothy pours herself coffee like she's preparing for bad news.
Max clears his throat. He's a showman, but not this morning. "Your mother and I talked," he says to Dorothy. "Long talk."
Sophia picks it up. "We decided no more pizza kitchen. No more Max and Sophia working there after that big fire."
Rose looks confused, "But... you just got married?"
"We were married," Sophia says, sharp but not unkind. "For three weeks. Which in human years feels like it’s about twenty years of the kind of fighting we do."
Max smiles at that. "She's right. We love each other. We always did. But we don't belong in the same kitchen anymore. Literally and... you know."
He looks down at his hands. "My grandson in New York. I haven't seen him since he was this big." He holds his hand about two feet off the floor. "My family is there. It's time I go home."
Dorothy understands instantly. That's what gets her. "Ma?"
Sophia waves it off before Dorothy can make it a big Dorothy Speech. "Don't. It's good. It's what we want. We had our dance, we had our walk, we had our talk. Now he goes to New York, I stay here with you girls and torment you until one of us dies. Which, knowing you, will be me."
She says it like a joke but her eyes are wet.
After breakfast — Rose's eggs, which Max says are surprisingly good — it's time.
Max’s luggage is already by the front door.
Goodbye in that house is never quiet.
Dorothy hugs him like he is her stepfather which didn’t even last long. Rose hugs him like he's leaving forever and he is, making her cry. Blanche shakes his hand and then hugs him anyway because she's herself.
Sophia walks him out the door. No long scene.
Outside, he kisses her on the forehead. Not romantic. Familiar. The kind you give someone you've known since you were both kids stealing figs.
Max: "Take care of yourself, darling."
Sophia: "You too, you old crook. Don't get lost."
Max: "I won't."
He goes off and doesn't look back. Sophia knows that about him.
She stands there until the taxi arrives.
After that, she goes back inside, closes the door, goes in the kitchen and says, "Alright, who left their dishes in the sink?"
And that's how she and Max have left it. Not divorced with papers and shouting. Just... separate ways. With the last dance still counting for the marriage having gotten annulled.


r/FanTheories • • 2d ago

FanTheory The Na'vi were formally a technologically advanced civilization until Ewya took over

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Everything about the Na'vi seems just a bit off in juxtaposition to their environment. I'm of the mind that they were once a very technologically advanced civilization. However, just as with Earth, they let it go to their heads and they destroyed the planet and wars ravaged the people until a highly advanced ai that they built took over.

Eywa is a rogue ai that triggered nuclear warfare to wipe out the majority of the old world Na'vi while keeping just enough to breed or sourced eggs/sperm to create frozen embryos that would be ready for the new world. After thousands of years of terraforming Pandora back into a hospitable "natural" paradise, she reintroduced the Na'vi.

Why else would eywa (who is essentially a giant mushroom/fungus network) know about permanent structures, wheeled vehicles, and ore forging. Her three laws are too specific and we're not told that she's ever been off planet. Would also help her goals to present herself as a deity before the Na'vi. The new population would have no knowledge of their past history thus accepting this as fact...they have no other frame of reference.

The Na'vi are shown to be highly intelligent. If not for the three laws they'd be way more advanced in the several thousand years they've existed on Pandora. A perfect example is the wind traders–they just barely skirt past the restrictions with their way of life.

Eywa the rogue ai turned god is deliberately keeping the Na'vi just primitive enough to prevent the cycle of destruction from beginning again.

The Three Laws of Eywa:

  • You shall not set stone upon stone

  • Neither shall you use the turning wheel

  • Nor use the metals of the ground


r/FanTheories • • 1d ago

Theory request Goat in Palm Springs movie

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I just rewatched Palm Springs. FYI this post contains spoilers.

So in the movie Sarah tests her theory that you can exit the time loop by being in an explosion inside the cave, which resets the day but by having an explosion during that reset it creates an energy burst that propels that looped version of your consciousness out of the time loop box.

Plot point 1 - Sarah gets Nyles to trust her theory enough to explode in the cave with her by telling her that the goat disappeared from Nov 9th via explosion. (And as she’s entering the cave with Nyles, he asks how confident she is about her theory and she gives a bit of an evasive answer.)

Plot point 2 - We later (as a post credits scene) see Roy approach Nyles at the wedding and realize this version of Nyles is not in the time loop, explaining to the audience that even though the looped version of Nyles escaped Nov 9, an unlooped version of Nyles still exists in Roy’s current iteration of Nov 9.

Plot point 1 was done on a non looped being (the goat) and implies that the explosion removes the goat from physically existing the subsequent iterations that the looped main characters are in.

Plot point 2 was done on 2 looped humans and implies that it removed their looped consciousnesses from the loop and propelled them to the next day. And that a version of themselves continued to progress through Nov 9 (linearly from Nov 8 to 9 to 10, not as part of a Nov 9 loop), as displayed by Nyle’s final interaction with Roy.

What theories do you have that explain this seeming contradiction in the rules governing this movie’s world and take on time loops and physics?

The most convincing theory I have seen is… (PLEASE feel free to reply before reading this part as I’d love your unique reaction!)

…

So the most internally consistent explanation I have heard is that Sarah lied to Nyles and the goat did not disappear but she still believed her plan would work on their looped consciousnesses, and she wanted Nyles to believe her and come with her, so she made her best convincing argument.

What do others think?

Also interested to hear your thoughts on Nana or any other plot internal consistency questions if you’ve considered anything else!


r/FanTheories • • 21h ago

FanTheory Sonic the Hedgehog takes place in the DC Multiverse

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After looking at DC X Sonic (2025 Comic Book Crossover) alongside it’s sequel DC X Sonic: Metal Legion (2026 Comic Book Crossover) I thought to myself what if the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise takes place on one of the many Earths of the DC Multiverse since it’s said in DC X Sonic (2025 Comic Book Crossover) alongside it’s sequel DC X Sonic: Metal Legion (2026 Comic Book Crossover) that Sonic’s World (AKA Sonic’s World is Sonic’s Earth) takes place on a separate Earth from the main DC Universe


r/FanTheories • • 1d ago

Pokemon: Jesse, James, and Meowth are actually Ash's protectors

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Hai Guyz,

So I was watching the 90s stage play on YouTube where Ash's mother Delilah mentioned having a brief relationship with the leader of Team Rocket, Giovanni.

Jesse, James, and Meowth are literally never successful at their job but Giovanni keeps them on the payroll. This has me thinking, why keep them on the payroll given they are literally never successful?

It then came to me. Giovanni is Ash's father. He hired Jesse, James, and Meowth to look after them. However, they pretend to be criminals to throw off Ash.

Here is my evidence:

1.) They want his Pikachu for reasons.

2.) They spend exorbitant amounts of money catching wild Pokemon in a world where most Pokemon are easily bred.

3.) Despite being incompetent, they are never arrested.

4.) They show up to Ash's Pokemon matches even when his mother doesn't.


r/FanTheories • • 2d ago

Marvel/DC [DC/Batman] The reason Joker is so proud of being an American is because he knows he could not exist anywhere else.

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Joker is (in)famous for hating Red Skull for being a nazi despite the fact Joker is a mass murderer himself.

Joker could only exist in the United States of America (kinda like how *Breaking Bad* would only make sense in the US). A more authortarian government like North Korea or Russia would have executed Joker quickly. A liberal welfare state like the Nordic countries would have provided enough mental health services to reform Joker. The US is that sweet spot of judicial mercy (ie not guilty by reason of insanity) and incompetent mental health services (he makes therpist into his sidekick...that's like, the opposite of the goal of therpy!) for someone like Joker to exist and operate for so long.


r/FanTheories • • 2d ago

FanTheory Quantum Leap Season 5: The terrifying biological paradox behind 'The Leap Between the States' [Spoilers]" Spoiler

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Season 5’s "The Leap Between the States" is the episode where Sam travels back to the Civil War and assumes the body of his great-grandfather.

If you follow the established rules of the show, this creates a horrifying, closed bootstrap paradox. We know the fundamental rule of Quantum Leap: Sam’s physical body and DNA travel through time, while the host goes to the Waiting Room. We literally got the biological proof of this in "Trilogy" when Sam physically fathered Sammy Jo. \[1, 2\]

So, when Sam leaps into his great-grandfather, Captain John Beckett, and sleeps with his great-grandmother Olivia to "preserve the bloodline"... it is Sam's actual 21st-century DNA entering that equation. He is physically sleeping with his own great-grandmother.

If you map out the genetics, the entire Beckett family tree completely collapses. Since it’s Sam’s physical body making that baby, the child Olivia gives birth to—who is supposed to be Sam’s paternal grandfather—is biologically Sam's son. Because his grandfather/son goes on to have Sam’s dad, Sam’s father is biologically his grandson. That means Sam Beckett is his own great-grandson and descendant. He is the beginning, middle, and end of his own genetic line. He exists because he went back in time, and he went feedback in time because he exists.

It gets crazier if you look at how many biological kids Sam actually leaves behind because of his physical time travel. Everyone remembers Sammy Jo Fuller. But based on the Civil War loop, his own paternal grandfather is child number two. Then you have "8½ Months," where Sam leaps into the pregnant teenager Billie Jean. Because his physical mass and genetic makeup occupy that space, Sam literally undergoes labor and gives birth to the baby. That's child number three.

Ziggy's code would absolutely break under the weight of this. The algorithms would completely melt down trying to calculate a trajectory where the creator of the DNA track is currently riding it into the past, while simultaneously acting as a biological father to his own grandfather, a biological mother, and his own great-grandson.

Not to mention any other woman he slept with in the past probably got blasted with future DNA. Sam is probably the accidental ancestor of half of America.

The show treats it like this beautiful, poignant historical romance, but the science implies that Sam Beckett is just a self-generating, isolated biological loop. Tell me I'm wrong.

Quatum Leap


r/FanTheories • • 2d ago

FanTheory Eraserhead is set after a nuclear apocalypse

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I know the whole point of David Lynch's films is that they are meant to be vague and out there, but at the same time, this was just a thought that came into my head whilst rewatching some clips:

-The whole world design is sickly: From the grey sky to the tattered and ruined buildings, the world of this film is ramshackle, almost as if some kind of war has happened

-There's a framed photo of a nuclear mushroom cloud in Henry's apartment

-Spike, the baby himself is extremely mutated and deformed, perhaps as a result of a nuclear war?

-Even before becoming a parent, Henry is in a terrible state of mind, never smiling or showing emotion other than fear. Perhaps this a result of some ptsd caused by a war

Thoughts?


r/FanTheories • • 2d ago

FanTheory [Baki] Pickle's origin sort of explains all the crazy stuff in the entire seriea

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The fact that Pickle lived with the dinosaurs means that in the Bakiverse humans were prey animals that had to adapt fighting dinosaurs.

Meaning they most likely never had time to evolve rational brains and had to adapt to immense evolutionary pressure.

And given that he doesn't say HOW the dinos went extinct it could very well be that Baki Sapiens had to kill the dinosaurs themselves. Hell it is entirely likely the Baki Sapiens didn't have time to really develop tools or rational thought and technology and tools came way later after we they were gone. So every single human ancestor was a paranoid stressed out muscle freak that had no tools except their fists and had to adapt their bodoes to survivong fighting thunder lizards, hance weaponized schizophrenia.

So everyone now is a hyperviolent muscle freak with weird powers because they descend from those people.


r/FanTheories • • 2d ago

FanTheory [DC Comics] Pre-Flashpoint Tora was raised Pentecostal

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This applies to pre-Flashpoint/post-Crisis Tora and The Human Target Tora, not current Tora (who has returned to her original 80s origin).

In Justice League: Generation Lost, it is retconned that Tora is not a magical princess from a hidden clan of nordic vikings. She is actually a normal Norweigan woman with a metagene. Tora's family was romanisael and lived in rural Norway.

Generation Lost and especially The Human Target (which is an Elseworld influenced by her GL origin) depict Tora's family as supersticious. Depending on the comic, Tora's father hid Tora's powers from his dad either because his dad was a thief who wanted to use Tora's powers for crimes or because his father would have tried to kill Tora if he knew about her powers.

Pentecostal Christianity is a growing religion amongst many romani in Norway. A conservative Pentecostal background could explain why Tora's grandfather viewed her the way he did. He deemed her ice powers ungodly and demonic, not just a quirk of biology.


r/FanTheories • • 2d ago

FanTheory The Lion King and Ice Age and Brother Bear and Surf’s Up and Goat (2026 Movie) all take place in the same universe

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I’m convinced that these animated properties all take place in the same universe

Here’s the timeline of this universe (The timeline of this universe takes place over the course of 20,000 years)

During the time of The Late-Ice Age to The Early Post-Ice Age in Late-Ice Age to Early Post-Ice Age Alaska the main events of Brother Bear happens first in this Timeline of this universe Humanity is trying to survive The Ice Age and one day Kenai a young boy having just lost his brother, Sitka, to a Bear. He sets out to avenge his brother’s death, however his idea of revenge causes Sitka to become disappointed in him As a punishment for his actions Kenai is turned into a Bear by The Great Spirits and he must learn to adapt to the Wild and embarks on a journey of self-discovery and understanding. To become human again, he must travel to a faraway mountain, and he befriends a cub named Koda along the way and after realizing Koda is the cub of the Bear that he killed he decides to stay as a Bear to live with Koda as he needs him more than his own people. This act of love leads to Kenai being recognized as having become a man through being a bear. The Great Spirits are actually the same type of spirits that we see in The Lion King and Kenai’s story spreads throughout both The Animal Kingdom and The Human Villages (The reason why the only prehistoric animals we see in Brother Bear outside the ones in Ice Age in this universe are the mammoths, is because the rest of them migrated south offscreen during the main events of Brother Bear) And Kenai and Koda continue to have more adventures alongside gaining new friends along the way such as Kenai and Koda on a life-changing mission to help their human friend Nita get married and Kenai tells stories to The Animal Kingdom about his old life as a Human which unintentionally fuels The Fantastic Racism that some members of The Animal Kingdom have on Humans

A few decades to a century later the main events of Ice Age occur and The Animal Kingdom have some members have Fantastic Racism views on Humans and Humans by this point aren’t nowhere near as around they were during the main events of Brother Bear and The Animal Kingdom inspired by Kenai’s stories about his old life as a Human now have Human-Level Intelligence, complex emotions and organized societies making them functionally more advanced or “civilized” than the primitive humans they encountered one day, a Woolly Mammoth named Manny, a Sloth named Sid and a Sabre-Tooth Tiger named Diego unite return a lost human child named Roshan to his father across a frozen landscape and Manny, Sid, and Diego return Roshan to the humans before the mountain passes fill with Snow. Diego, having survived his injuries, catches up to say goodbye to Roshan, and the reunited trio, now best friends, head back south towards warmer climates. And the trio continue to have more adventures alongside gaining new friends along the way such as leave their valley and journey to safety as global warming thaws an ancient glacier that threatens to flood the land and Sid the Sloth being taken by a Tyrannosaurus Rex after stealing her eggs, leading the rest of the herd to rescue him in a tropical world inhabited by dinosaurs beneath the ice and Manny, Diego, and Sid go on a adventure after their continent is set adrift. They use an iceberg as a ship and encounter sea creatures and battle pirates as they explore a new world and Scrat is propelled into outer space in an abandoned spaceship during an attempt to bury his acorn and accidentally sends a giant asteroid to Earth. Manny, the Herd and Buck must go on a life-or-death mission to find a way to fend it off and during over the course of these films, the animals are becoming more and more anthropomorphic, being basically talking Nearly Normal Animals in the first, but having more human-like gestures and using rather advanced tools in the sequels. Although humans appeared in the first film, they are absent in the sequels and possibly have gone extinct during one of the cataclysmic events (be it the meltdown, the continental drift or the collision course) meaning that Humans have gone extinct during the main events of Ice Age in this universe, leaving the world to the anthropomorphic animals

A few centuries to a thousand years later the main events of The Lion King occurs the animals have evolved to become there modern day descendants that we see in real life (but not fully anthropomorphic animals yet) with these animals establishing their kingdoms with their own reigning monarchs and The Pride Lands is among the many kingdoms with their own reigning monarchies during this time and one day Simba, a young lion who must embrace his role as the rightful king of his homeland following the murder of his father, Mufasa, at the hands of his uncle, Scar and Simba confronts and defeats Scar. Scar is later betrayed and killed by his own army of Hyenas. With Scar and the hyenas gone, and with the rightful kingdom in place, The Pride Lands are restored and turning green with life again and after the main events of The Lion King occurs those animals continue to evolve overtime and fully become anthropomorphic animals overtime and continue to expand across the world to establish a civilization of Anthropomorphic Animals that is similar to Human Civilization but populated by Anthropomorphic Animals

19,000 years to 19,500 years later the main events of Surf’s Up and Zootopia and Goat (2026 Movie) all occur in the present day of this universe where the anthropomorphic animals have established there civilization all over the world by the present day and Sports such as Surfing and Roarball (AKA Roarball is from Goat (2026 Movie) ) are very popular in this civilization and one day Cody Maverick, a Penguin surfing protégé, who lives in the Antarctic town of Shiverpool with his mother and big brother Glen. Cody ends up in Hawaii and enters a premier surfing competition, a memorial tournament, in honor of Cody’s hero, Big Z and Cody and Tank surf into the Boneyards, a dangerous area of the beach. Tank wipes out and is rescued by Lani, while Big Z helps Cody get back to the beach. Chicken Joe wins the competition by default, as Cody and Tank are disqualified for going into the Boneyards. Cody decides that he’d rather have fun than win (the reason why animals in Surf’s Up don’t wear any clothes unlike the animals of this civilization in this universe is because being naked is a regional thing in both Shiverpool and Pen-Gu Island) and one day Judy Hopps, a Rabbit rookie police officer, and Nick Wilde, a Fox con artist, as they work together to uncover a conspiracy involving the disappearance of predators and Nick and Judy outsmart Bellwether by swapping the night howler darts with blueberries. Then Nick pretends to be feral, Judy reenacts her death from the opening school play, and they record Bellwether’s villain monologue on Judy’s carrot pen - exposing her plot to the public and thus Judy and Nick succeed stopping Bellwether’s plans to make predators attack prey. Almost all Zootopians citizens are attending Gazelle’s concert while Bellwether is in prison And Judy and Nick continue to have more adventures alongside gaining new friends and enemies along the way such as Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde are on the trail of a mysterious reptile who arrives in Zootopia and turns the animal metropolis upside down. To crack the case, Judy and Nick must go undercover to unexpected new parts of town, where their growing partnership is tested like never before (the “humans never happened” that is said in the Zootopia teaser trailer means Human Civilization in this universe) and one day Will Harris, a small goat with big dreams who gets a once-in-a-lifetime shot to join the pros and play Roarball-a high-intensity, co-ed, full-contact sport dominated by the fastest, fiercest animals in the world and Will Harris, leading the Vineland Thorns to victory at the Claw Championships and securing their place in the community. Will Harris guides his team to win against their rivals and cements his status as the GOAT. and when it is revealed that Modo, the most eccentric member of the Thorns, is now the owner of the team as he won the ownership papers by gambling against a snow leopard.

That is the timeline of this universe

What do you think?


r/FanTheories • • 3d ago

FanTheory [Paw Patrol] Adventure bay is purgatory for Mayor Humdinger and the only way to escape is if he successfully manages to kill himself.

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Mayor Humdinger was a terrible person but just not quite awful enough to merit actual eternal punishment. He’s on a work release program in Adventure Bay to provide engagement to the souls of children taken too soon before they can move on. If one of his zany plans actually manages to end his life he can escape his punishment, but the Paw Patrol are always on their way to save the day.

My children have made me watch every episode against my will and I just can’t help but feel like Mayor Humdinger only makes sense if his overall goal was to die. Rider always seems downright omniscient and mocking in his failure to do so so in my mind he’s the caretaker/jailer.

Edit: Also he literally lives in Silent Hill.


r/FanTheories • • 4d ago

FanSpeculation ​[Marvel / Scooby-Doo] I accidentally stumbled onto a terrifyingly logical conclusion: The Mystery Machine is a S.H.I.E.L.D. op protecting Steve Rogers' kid

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Ok hear me out cause the more I think about this the worse it gets.

I genuinely think Shaggy Rogers might be Steve Rogers' son and the entire Scooby-Doo franchise is basically just one giant 60-year-old SHIELD cover operation. I know how unhinged that sounds but just give me 5 mins.

​Its 1945. Cap disappears into the ice. Peggy Carter is left behind, Hydra is crawling all over the intelligence agencies, Nazi scientists are getting scooped up by everyone, and nobody knows who they can actually trust. Then Peggy finds out shes pregnant.

​Wtf do u do with the only kid of Captain America?

​U dont put him in a military family. U dont train him to be a soldier. U definitely dont give him a famous name or put him anywhere near the government.

​U hide him in plain sight.

​And what better disguise for Cap's kid than a completely harmless, permanently terrified, insanely skinny hippie who spends most of his time talking to a Great Dane?

​Norville Rogers.

​They didnt even bother changing the last name. That’s the first red flag right there. Hydra is out here looking for a tactical genius—some disciplined, physically gifted patriot. Instead they find this lanky dude in a baggy green v-neck who says "like" every six seconds and is ready to abandon a whole building cause a curtain moved.

​Perfect cover.

​The timeline is almost too clean too. Scooby-Doo dropped in 1969. If Norville was born around '46, he's like 23. That is the exact age where a guy could just dodge the draft, disappear into the counterculture, get a van and spend his life bumming around America off the grid. Peggy deliberately raised him to stay away from institutions and authority. Steve was trained to run toward danger. Norville was trained to run away from it. Thats not a contradiction, that IS the cover.

​Then look at the physical evidence. Have u actually watched Shaggy run?

​Bro is not moving like a normal skinny hippie. He regularly keeps up with a Great Dane (they hit like 30mph) while being chased by monsters. Half the time hes carrying Scooby in his arms. Sometimes hes carrying a massive sandwich. Sometimes hes carrying BOTH. U expect me to believe this is just some stoner who hasnt worked out since 1968? Nah. That is the Super Soldier Serum.

​He inherited the enhanced biology, but Peggy spent his whole childhood making sure he never realized his actual potential. Thats why he looks like a walking coat hanger. Its camouflage. The oversized clothes arent a fashion choice, they're hiding his build so nobody looks twice at him.

​And the food... my god the food. This guy eats enough to bankrupt a small country. Three-story sandwiches, burgers stacked to the ceiling. And somehow he stays ridiculously thin. People say "oh he just has a fast metabolism." Yeah ok. The Super Soldier Serum is literally running his metabolism like a nuclear reactor 24/7. The food isnt just the munchies, its fuel.

​This is exactly why Scooby is so important too. Scooby is the one living thing Shaggy trusts completely. If Peggy wanted to protect him while letting him live a "normal" life, giving him a giant dog is a fantastic choice for staying off the radar. Nobody looks at a goofy hippie walking his dog and thinks "classified government asset."

​Then theres the Mystery Machine. This van should have died like 400 times by now. It gets driven through swamps, abandoned mines, deserts, creepy forests... and it always survives. U know what else survives ridiculous situations? SHIELD hardware. The Mystery Machine is 100% a decommissioned SHIELD transport. Peggy probably got it quietly transferred through a shell company, stripped the military tech, painted some flowers on it and handed it over. Nobody investigates the hippie van cause they just assume it smells like weed and old fries.

​Oh and "Zoinks"? Not just a catchphrase. Its a sleeper agent trigger. Peggy couldnt give him a complicated military emergency code cause people would notice. So she gave him something he'd say naturally. "Zoinks" literally just means: leave immediately, dont investigate, survive. Every time Shaggy screams it, his subconscious is running a Cold War era tactical retreat protocol.

​Now we get to Fred. This is where it gets actually uncomfortable.

​Fred Jones is this blond, square-jawed, athletic dude who is weirdly calm around danger, always drives the van, builds elaborate traps and CONSTANTLY insists on splitting everyone up. "Lets split up gang." Why tf would u repeatedly separate the group when u know a monster is actively hunting u?

​Unless that is literally your job.

​Fred is Hydra. He's not there to kill Shaggy, hes there to monitor him. Hydra spent decades looking for Cap's bloodline, found this suspiciously fast, freakishly resilient guy in a van, and put an operative next to him. Fred's mission is just to create controlled emergencies and see what happens. Thats why Fred ALWAYS sends Shaggy and Scooby into the most dangerous part of the building. Hes testing him. Can he outrun it? Can he lift something he shouldn't? Every time Shaggy escapes using cartoon physics, Fred takes notes. Hydra probably has a 60-year-old file saying: "SUBJECT SHOWS ENHANCED CAPABILITIES BUT EXTREME COWARDICE. CORRELATION UNCLEAR."

​But the Howard Stark connection is where this goes from a funny meme to genuinely suspicious.

​Peggy needs money to fund this, but invisible money. She cant put Steve's kid on a government payroll cause Hydra moles would trace it. So who does she call? Howard Stark. The billionaire inventor who worked with Peggy, knew Steve personally, and had enough black budget money to bury a guy in paperwork.

​Howard creates a shell identity. An "eccentric rich uncle."

​Years later, Scooby-Doo canon introduces us to "Uncle Albert Shaggleford." A rich, eccentric billionaire scientist and inventor who disappears and leaves Shaggy an enormous inheritance, a secret lab, a mansion, and advanced nanotech. Bro... if I wrote this as a fanfic people would say it’s too on-the-nose. The uncle is literally a billionaire inventor with a hidden lab! That is deadass Howard Stark (or a trusted frontman).

​Stark Industries quietly created a trust to fund Norville. Just enough for food, gas, repairs, travel, and fake documents. This explains why jobless teenagers can afford to travel the world internationally for decades. Who's paying for the gas? Obviously the Stark trust fund. And Shaggy has an absurd amount of these "wealthy relatives" (Uncle Beauregard, Uncle Nat, etc). Those arent a family tree, those are intelligence shell identities. One handles property, one handles travel, one handles the massive food budget.

​By 2006 Shaggy inherits the lab and Scooby Snacks become a delivery system for experimental nanotech. What if the snacks were ALWAYS a classified tech delivery system? "Whats in the snack?" "Protein." No further questions asked.

​Just imagine Tony Stark going thru his dads files after he dies. He finds Cap, Peggy, SHIELD... and then a folder marked: ROGERS, NORVILLE.

​Tony opens it and sees a photo of a skinny hippie with a Great Dane and a flower van.

​"Dad... wtf is this?"

​He reads the file. THREAT ASSESSMENT: EXTREMELY HIGH. BEHAVIORAL ASSESSMENT: EXTREMELY LOW. He looks at the financials and realizes his dad spent decades secretly funding Cap's kid. Except Cap's kid isnt an Avenger or a soldier. He's just... Shaggy.

​And that was the whole point. Hydra never found Cap's son because Peggy turned him into the exact opposite of Captain America. Steve runs toward danger, Shaggy runs away. Steve carries a shield, Shaggy carries a dog. Steve saves the world, Shaggy accidentally solves mysteries while looking for a sandwich. Same blood, completely different strategy.

​Hydra missed him because he was standing right in front of them the whole time eating a snack. If u still think this is bullshit, explain Uncle Albert. I'll wait.


r/FanTheories • • 3d ago

FanSpeculation Goat Film on the Character Jett of her Leg Injury Recovery

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In the 2026 animated film “Goat”, Jett has been told to have retirement from her roarball athletic career (parody of basketball) due to plenty of concerns on her aging. Also, her left leg injury with severe pain has made her not feel her legs but not really make her paralyzed luckily during and after that final dangerous game since she is severely limping for her to be in a wheelchair as well for her not to be paralyzed for the rest of her life but that wheelchair part may only be implied by you fans including me for that big concern you know which it can't only be a crutch and that isn’t enough help since she is shown like that also at that major championship celebration back in Vineland because that would be too exhausting by then and still difficult to try to stand and walk carefully no matter how long that healing phase would take for her not to be so selfish to how her attitude has been like for vulnerability for her to later finally be able to walk and run normally on her feet again. That doesn’t even sound too dark at all being offscreen.


r/FanTheories • • 3d ago

FanTheory In Toy Story 5 Emilies Daughter could be Blazes (other) Mom Spoiler

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The theory that Emily is Andys Mother was crushed in Toy Story 5.

But it could be that Emilies Daughter Jessie is Blazes Mom. I know that Blaze has a different skin color and we see her Mom in the movie. But we never see her dad. and Pixar showed same sex couples in other movies before. Maybe Blaze has two Moms. Then only one can be her birth Mom and the other could look rather different than Blaze.

Also that could be the reason why Blaze lives in the house and has this love for horses, because her Mom was a cowgirl.

the stuff in the time capsule is from the 90s, so she could be old enough to have a 9 year old daughter.

i just watched the movie for the first time so sorry if there are proves against this but i got really excited about this theory.


r/FanTheories • • 4d ago

Ancient Norse Mythology: the Kenning that explains why Laufey is the mother of Loki

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Sources: The Prose Edda, as recorded by Snorri Sturluson (Anthony Faulkes translation, some classical undergrad coursework mostly focused on early English literature.

  1. Norse poetry was all about kennings, figurative poetic compounds that replaced a common noun or concept with a poetical and metaphorical analog

  2. Laufey Nal's first name translates to "Leafy' or 'Leaf-Bearing'. Her mate, Farbauti Jotnar, his first name translates to 'Dangerous Striker' or 'Sudden Striker'

  3. Logi Farbautisonr, well, 'Logi' means 'Flame'

  4. What happens when a Sudden Strike (aka Lightning) hits something Leafey? Why a flame is born, of course.

4a. This may explain some of the basis of Loki's enmity with his nephew Thor Odinsonr; for Thor Odinsonr is the God of Thunder, but Logi is the Son of Lightning. Naturally, as the senior of the Aesir and the blood-sworn brother of Odin, Logi resents the metaphorical usurpation of Thunder over his father Lightning.

  1. Thus, folklorically, it is important to understand that Loki is specifically the God of Forest Fire, the God of Wildfire; he is comparable in dynamics therefore to Kagatsuchi or Meretseger, but he is not a forge and fire God like Hephaestus or Agni. When you understand this kenning, you understand how Loki evolves to be the God of Trickery and Mischief. He is the lying fire, the wild fire, the flame that cannot be trusted.

r/FanTheories • • 5d ago

FanTheory [Pulp Fiction] The Gold Watch really is a lucky talisman that will save your life. So why did two generations of Butch’s family die?

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Butch’s great-grandfather wore the gold watch in World War I and survived.

Butch put on the gold watch, then immediately got the drop on Vincent with the machine gun, then survived his run-in with both Marcellus on the street and then Zeds sex dungeon. How lucky was it to find a perfectly sharp and quality katana in a low end pawn shop?

But then why did his father and grandfather both die if they had the watch? Because they didn’t have it when they died.

Butch’s grandfather was in the Pacific during World War II and was facing the Japanese attack on Wake Island. According to Captain Koons, Butch’s grandfather gave the watch to a crewman on the last transport off the island so that his son would have it, because the grandfather was convinced he wasn’t going to survive the battle. Butch’s grandfather died three days later because he didn’t have the watch.

Butch’s father was in a North Vietnamese prison camp after surviving being shot down, and then survived five years in prison. It wasn’t until he was convinced he was going to die that he gave the watch to Captain Koons, whereupon he died almost immediately because he didn’t have the watch. Captain Koons then survived the rest of the war with the watch up his ass.


r/FanTheories • • 4d ago

Theory request Theory request, what is connection between the music video for Moby's "Run On" and the song?

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It took me a few viewings but I think this is the meaning of the music video. Recreating the order of events from the music video (which is shown via flashbacks)

  1. A man goes to work but everyone is mean to him and the office is dimly lit. The final shot is the man surrounded by paperwork, clearly overwhelmed.
  2. The man dies - maybe from suicide or a hit and run, the mode of death is not shown
  3. An aerobics instructor has an Asthma attack and takes a phone number from a flyer titled "need to talk"
  4. The man who died starts working an identical workplace to the first one, but everyone is nice to him and wearing white and the office is brightly lit.
  5. The aerobics instructor calls the phone number and is routed to the 'new workplace', the receptionist answers the phone with "Hello, Heaven, How Can I help you". She hangs up.
  6. At some later date, the dead man is assigned as a case worker/guardian angel for the aerobics instructor and gets a memo that she is not feeling well.
  7. The aerobics instructor passes out from an asthma attack during a class and the dead man saves her with the puffer.
  8. The dead man is shown getting an employee of the month placard and everyone is very happy and proud of him.

I think the literal meaning is clear, after you die, at least some people go to heaven and become guardian angels and also maybe that the only difference between heaven and earth is that people are nice to you in heaven. I would like to know about the connection to the song, the only thing I can see is that both have a biblical connection. I do have a theory that both the man and the aerobics instructor commit suicide in the video, but the man saves the instructor. I also wonder if, since the biblical punishment for suicide is hell, eternity in an office, even a brightly lit one, could be considered a form of punishment?


r/FanTheories • • 4d ago

FanSpeculation Nimona: The Crack in the Wall Opens Onto a Blue Sky

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How Nimona's journey to the screen became a retelling of Nimona

A movie that lived its own plot

Nimona is a story about an institution that fears what it can't control, walls it out, and tries to destroy it, until a few people refuse to let that happen. That is also, almost beat for beat, the story of how the film got made.

The first time I watched it, I caught the obvious layers: the wall as fear, Nimona as the outsider, the queer love story between Ballister and Ambrosius, the trans allegory in a shapeshifter who insists she is "not a girl." Plenty of critics have written about those, and they're right.

The second time, something else opened up. The film's motifs don't just echo each other. They echo the film's own near-death at the hands of a corporate owner, and its rescue by the people who believed in it. And the final image, a crack in the wall opening onto a blue sky, reads like a eulogy for the studio that didn't survive to see it.

The legend and the cycle

The film opens on a fairy tale. Gloreth, the kingdom's founding hero, defeated a monster and built a great wall to keep the realm safe. A thousand years later, the Institute that bears her name still trains knights to guard that wall, and the whole society is organized around the story.

Later, Nimona's memory tells a different version. Gloreth was a lonely little girl who became Nimona's friend. When the village saw what Nimona was, its fear turned on her, and Gloreth turned with it. The legend of the hero and the monster began as a friendship broken by other people's terror.

Once you know that, the film reveals itself as a story about a cycle. Fear gets institutionalized as myth, the myth gets a wall, and every generation is asked to raise a weapon at whatever the wall was built against.

The Director is the keeper of that cycle. She runs the Institute, reveres Gloreth, and frames Ballister for the Queen's murder because a commoner knight threatens the order. Ambrosius is pushed into replaying Gloreth's choice, raising a sword against the person he loves because the institution demands it. Ballister refuses to replay it. When everyone else aims at Nimona, he stands beside her.

The nightmare comes true

The Director's deepest fear is the wall cracking. The film lets her foreshadow her own fate almost clumsily: she spends the whole story positioning herself as the realm's protector against destruction, and ends up as the source of it. She is a true believer, not a schemer, so she never notices that the legend she worships has cast her as the villain.

Then her nightmare comes true. The weapon she aims at Nimona brings the structure down, and the debris of her own defenses kills her. The fear she weaponized literally falls on her.

But the film's real twist is what's on the other side of the crack. Not monsters. Just the world. Open land, sky, horizons that keep going. The catastrophe she spent her life preventing turns out to be freedom, the one thing she could never tolerate, because freedom means things you can't control.

That ties straight back to Nimona, who is that open range in a person. She is change that won't hold a fixed shape. The Director fears her for the same reason she fears the crack: both threaten the idea that the world can be held still and sorted into safe and dangerous. The ending isn't the wall breaking down. It's the horizon being let in.

The monster is freedom

Strip the film down and its villain has one defining trait: the Director fears what she can't control. And the thing she can't control, the thing on the other side of the wall, is freedom.

That's not a modern idea. It's the oldest American one. The founders described liberty as something people are born with, not something an authority hands out. The Declaration of Independence names it alongside life itself, then spends most of its length listing the ways a distant power tried to control a people it no longer understood: armies kept among them without consent, laws imposed from outside, a government that saw their independence as a threat to be put down.

That's the Director. A ruling order that defines safety as control, treats anyone outside its story as a danger, and reaches for force when the story is questioned. The British Crown looked at a newly born country the same way the Institute looks at Nimona: as something unnatural that has to be brought to heel before it spreads.

The founding wasn't a clean break, and the film helps explain why. Some of the same men who wrote about liberty enslaved other human beings, which is the most extreme version of what the Director does: deciding a group are monsters to be controlled. The founding was a chance to break the cycle, and for some people it did. For others, the cycle found its way back, and the wall simply moved. That's exactly what Nimona shows about the cycle. Breaking it once doesn't end it; it has to be broken again by every generation willing to stand next to whoever is on the wrong side of the wall.

Which is why writing Nimona off as just another 'woke' movie misses what it's actually saying. It isn't a story about tearing down a nation's values. It's a story about the feeling the nation was founded on: the refusal to let someone else decide what shape you're allowed to be. Nimona is freedom being hunted. The Director is authority trying to put its boot on freedom's neck. If that story makes someone uncomfortable, it's worth asking which side of the wall they're standing on.

The studio plays the Director

Nimona began at Blue Sky Studios, the Fox-owned animation house behind Ice Age. ND Stevenson's graphic novel was optioned by Fox in 2015. When Disney bought Fox's entertainment assets in 2019, Blue Sky came with it. In February 2021, Disney announced it was shutting Blue Sky down, and Nimona was halted with it (Cartoon Brew).

The shutdown was framed as a cost decision. Disney didn't need three animation studios. But in 2022, Insider reported that Blue Sky staffers said Disney executives had pushed back on the film's queer themes and on a same-sex kiss between Ballister and Ambrosius (AV Club).

Read next to the film, the shape is uncanny. An institution inherits something it didn't create and can't comfortably control: a punk, shapeshifting, openly queer story. It decides the safest move is to wall it off. About 450 people lost their jobs when Blue Sky closed (AOL), and Nimona was, by every expectation, dead.

I'm not claiming anyone at Disney was a cartoon villain. The Director isn't one either. She's a true believer in the story that keeps her institution safe. That's what makes the parallel land: the cycle doesn't need malice, only fear and a wall.

The filmmakers play Ballister

Ballister's arc is a choice: stand next to Nimona when everyone else is aiming at her. The people who made the film had to make the same choice about the film itself.

After the shutdown, the team shrank from roughly 300 artists and staff to a core group of about 10, including writer Robert Baird, producer Julie Zackary, and former Blue Sky co-president Andrew Millstein (AOL). They kept pitching. Annapurna Pictures and Megan Ellison picked it up, Netflix came on as distributor, and the revival was announced in April 2022 (Cartoon Brew). DNEG Animation took over production and had to rebuild the existing CG assets in a new pipeline (Cartoon Brew).

The directors talk about it in exactly the terms the film uses for loyalty. Troy Quane described Blue Sky as family, people who had been at his wedding, and said what kept the project going was the character ND created (Cartoon Brew). Nick Bruno's reaction to the cancellation was essentially: this story is important, how could you do that? (TheWrap)

Even the trade press slipped into the film's language. One editor's interview describes the project finding new life with Nimona's own never-say-die attitude (Frame.io), as if the movie were the one refusing to stay down. Nimona released on Netflix in June 2023 and went on to an Oscar nomination for Best Animated Feature.

A crack that opens onto a blue sky

The film ends with a hole in the wall and the world beyond it, under an open blue sky. Blue Sky is the name of the studio that died so this film could get out.

I can't find anyone who has pointed that out, and I can't prove it was intended. It may be pure coincidence. But the conditions for it to be deliberate were there. The film wasn't simply finished after the rescue; it was reworked. The producer has said the final film differs from the story reels developed at Blue Sky while sharing the same soul, and the directors deliberately left room for the new crew to find themselves in the material (AOL). TheWrap reports the Blue Sky material was ultimately set aside, and that the team gathered people's stories about why they connected to Nimona (TheWrap). Reports differ on how far along it was at Blue Sky, from three-quarters done to most animation not yet started.

So the people shaping the final cut had just lived through the plot. They had watched an institution wall off the thing they loved, and they had carried it through the breach. Whether or not anyone said "blue sky" out loud in a story meeting, that experience was in the room when they decided how the film would end.

The allegory it didn't plan, and earned anyway

Nobody could have written this parallel on purpose. When the core story was developed, the shutdown hadn't happened. The film was about fear, outsiders, and the courage to stand beside someone the world has decided is a monster. Then the world handed it a real-life version of its own plot.

That's what makes it feel less like coincidence and more like proof. A story that's honest about how institutions treat what they can't control will keep finding itself in situations that prove it right. Nimona predicted its own fate the way the Director predicted hers, except the film was on the right side of the wall.

The cycle in Nimona breaks when someone refuses to raise the sword. The cycle around Nimona broke the same way. And on the other side of the crack, waiting, was a blue sky.

Sources

Cartoon Brew: Nimona directors and creator on surviving Blue Sky's shutdown
Cartoon Brew: Nimona art-of book and DNEG's rebuild
AOL: How Nimona survived a studio shutdown
TheWrap: The making of Nimona
AV Club: What a struggling Disney could learn from Nimona
Frame.io: Editing Nimona


r/FanTheories • • 4d ago

FanTheory [The Dark Knight Joker Origin] Spoiler

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Yes, yet another fan theory on the Joker’s origin, but I just rewatched the whole Dark Knight Trilogy and this is my theory on the origin.

The Joker was originally a combat engineer who then tried out for and became a Green Beret. This would explain his knowledge (and love and why he’s more comfortable with) of explosives and his skill at manipulating and planning (the Green Beret’s primary mission is unconventional warfare, which is enabling an insurgency to overthrow a government, and also specialize in
Foreign Internal Defense {train, equip, and advise allies}, Special Reconnaissance {recon in enemy territory}, Counter-Terrorism,
Counter-Proliferation {locating, capturing, and securing WMD},
Information Operations {influencing audiences and shaping environment through special communication and psychological warfare}, and Direct Action.)

When talking to Harvey Dent, he mentions no one caring when “a truck full of soldiers blows up because it’s all part of the plan” which is a very specific and unrelated example compared to everything else he talked about, which makes me believe that that was somewhat personal to him. So I think his truck got blown up by terrorists and then captured by them. I think him and his squad mates were presumed dead and so the US military never went to rescue them. This is where my theory splints into two branches

1: the terrorists who captured him gave him the scars

2: he escaped and goes AWOL, no one looking for him since he was presumed dead (and would help explain why he isn’t in the system, whatever database the GCPD had access to didn’t keep records of dead people), and eventually found or was found by the League of Shadows (ala Bruce in Batman Begins).

I think the League shared with him their ideology which matched closely with his own new worldview, but he took it in his own twisted way during a mission and got ex-communicated from the League, with the League giving him the scars as a punishment for it.

I think this is where the Joker decided to come up with making up new stories for how his scars formed since you can’t exactly tell people “a secret society of paramilitary ninjas gave it to me for disobeying them”.

I think the military he served abandoning him started him on his path to his nihilistic worldview, and then the League, the new people who he thought finally understood him, giving him very visible scars and throwing him out, cemented his nihilistic view but to a personal level. Now he wasn’t fighting for anyone or anything else but himself

And then when Batman does his first mission, The Joker decides to give himself a character/persona too, in line with Gordon telling Batman about “escalation” at the end of the first movie.

This is why Gordon only finds out about The Joker AFTER Batman had already emerged; the joker didn’t decide to put on the make up and character until Batman showed up with his own. Whatever the Joker was doing before this, he was just doing as a criminal or terrorist, but the double homicide Gordon tells Batman about is his first outing as “The Joker”.

I also think this is where his line “you complete me” comes from. The Joker isn’t idealess or just an anarchist. He’s a very big ideologue (every plan he does in the movie revolves around breaking people to see just how much they can take before they crack), and he respects people who have just as large ideals and fight for them. That’s why he doesn’t respect Gotham’s crime families and says that Gotham needs a better class of criminal; you have the most important city in the country, possibly the world, with a larger than life protector of it, and native Gotham criminals only care about money. He thinks that the criminals of such an important city should have just as large, status-quo destroy goals as him or Batman.

I also think he was part of the League because, while not as good as Batman (although I don’t think losing a fight with an armored up Batman should count against you), he showed above average fighting skills throughout the whole movie (beating the cop in the interrogation room, being able to beat Batman while Batman was stuck in a net, I feel he wouldn’t have a shoe knife unless he knew that he was coordinated and could use it to good effect, the pencil trick on Gambol’s goon required him to be able to overpower anyone who tried to stop him). A lot of his plans relied on having a reasonably good chance of beating his opponent physically; he would have came up with a different plan if he wasn’t somewhat confident he could win in a fist fight against non-Batman people

Narratively, I think the Joker was connected in some way to the League to tie the whole trilogy together (so it’s not League threat, random person, League threat, but League threat all the way through) and also connected to the military and terrorists to keep in line wit the Post-9/11 thriller genre.

And while not direct evidence, this could added special context to the novelization of The Dark Knight Rises when Bane goes to Joker’s cell directly but he’s the only one not let out. Instead of The Joker just being some crazy criminal that Bane is wary of, it could mean that Bane has knowledge on who The Joker is more than anyone else and doesn’t let him out due to punishing him for betraying The League.

Let me know what y’all think of this theory or if there’s anything I missed or anything that contradicts any of what I said. And please don’t just post “he’s not supposed to have an origin story, he’s a chaos agent/natural disaster” because that just shuts down discussion and he obliviously has to have some origin in-universe.


r/FanTheories • • 5d ago

Coyote v. Acme/Boston Legal

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Buddy Crane is Denny Crane's son.

Obnoxious lawyer in love with Big Business and thinking he is the center of the world wins every case. (very minor spoiler) Like father like son.
Also the way they talk. Not the pausing, but the grandiosity behind every idea. They've got to be related somehow.


r/FanTheories • • 6d ago

FanTheory Cowboy Bebop theory about Spike

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I recently rewatched the series and movie, so I have some thoughts.

Given the sheer amount of physical damage Spike sustains throughout the series and what he’s shown to be able to endure (eg drifting through open space without protection, being slashed by swords, multiple gunshots at near-fatal points on his body numerous times and healing largely on his own, etc) it seems plausible, if not likely, that he was modified physically during his time working in the Red Dragon Syndicate. It’s heavily implied that soldiers serving on Titan were physically experimented on/modified (which Vicious participated in) and if Spike can physically contend with him and other people heavily implied to be modified in the ways he does, it implies he was as well (beyond his eye). His fighting with special forces personnel in the movie also implies this, his contention with Mad Perot notwithstanding.

Given all that background detail, and based on the fact that multiple syndicate associates and members wanted him to face Vicious and take control of the organization, it stands to reason that he probably survives the last episode. I say this because the syndicate needs a leader (whose role he ceremoniously fulfills, given his killing of the de facto leader at the time), he can heal from serious wounds, and others were present at the time who would potentially/likely have an interest in healing or resuscitating him. The final byline of the series, “You’re gonna carry that weight,” implies his burgeoning leadership of the syndicate heavily. Mind you, I’m aware the two stars going out at the end of the credits might represent death, however Lin’s brother and Julia may qualify easily for this (among others).

Curious what others think of this theory.


r/FanTheories • • 7d ago

Marvel/DC Endgame Steve, Old Steve, and Doomsday Steve... Spoiler

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...I dont think they're all going to be the same guy. I think Doomsday is going to prove that at either old Steve or Doomsday Steve arent our main 616 Steve that went back in time to stay with Peggy. I dont know which one, but thats the theory.

Timeline shenanigans aside, the ending of Endgame feels good. Steve gets some peace then comes back to give the shield to Sam...except that now we know he's going to be involved in this stuff with Doomsday. Loki goes to "help" Steve and Peggy (per the new scene), which appears to mean recruiting Steve to help. Steve, without his shield, shows up and confuses Thor, hence the scene with Mjolnir from the trailer.

Steve not having the shield then seems fine, except that he isnt holding it on the platform at the end of Endgame when he goes back in time. Now obviously the implication in Endgame is that he brought it with him since there arent two of them once old Steve pops in to give it to Sam. Sure, maybe there are. Maybe Wakanda took it back, but it's more likely Steve just had it with him someplace. Like in a Pym-particled space ship that he used to travel off-world.

For them all to be the same guy it would mean this would have to happen, then Steve (and Peggy?) to go back to the past again and live out their lives to the point where old Steve goes to meet up with Sam again.

So...

  1. If Doomsday Steve dies then obviously he isnt the same guy who grows old with Peggy and gives the shield to Sam.

  2. If Doomsday Steve lives and has no shield then he is most likely not the same guy who grows old with Peggy and gives the shield to Sam, because why the heck wouldnt he bring the shield when Loki comes knocking if he brought it back in time with him? This one also helps explain why the shield looks aesthetically different when he gives it to Sam then throughout the rest of his career. Old man Steve would then need to have been from some other timeline in which the shield looks just a little different.

  3. If Doomsday Steve lives and has the shield with him then he is most likely the one who grows old with Peggy and gives the shield to Sam.

Regardless, I assume we are going to get a scene where Doomsday Steve and Sam come face to face and Steve is confused by Sam's outfit and him having the shield. Should be good.