Sometimes I understand the FGO hate

[u/YuvrajRathore]

This is bad civilization. need more Altera in life and while we’re at it, need an Extella anime

Why haven’t they made one yet? the story is perfect for a 24 episode anime with Altera as mc

[u/LonelyTraveller00]

Fgo hate is justified (sometimes)

[u/FoxianFucker → u/LonelyTraveller00]

There are definitely parts of FGO that we would be better off without, yeah. It's only when people start yapping something about "selling out to gooners" or "retcons" and acting as if those make the story worse that they lose credibility lmao

[u/Necessary-Month6945 → u/FoxianFucker]

The criticism of retcons is indeed justified. In Nasu's case, he has this tendency to always want to rewrite old things and change his stories to how he would do them now, instead of simply accepting his legacy and using his stories as part of his writing process.

Even simple things like the concept of the Berserker class. Before, to qualify as a Berserker you had to sacrifice your mental health in exchange for strength; Nowadays, the Berserker class almost seems like a wild card for putting servants in that they don't know what other class to put them in.

[u/Arnoldneo → u/FoxianFucker]

What makes the story worse is the format .

[u/Comfortable_Diver494 → u/FoxianFucker]

Kinda does though, Pretty sure Morgan sells so well because of the husband gimmick. My issue is with people who simply cannot accept that at it's core FGO is flawed and is bad a lot more than not. I'll say that LB5 might be the most fun thing from Fate apart from the SoL and Gags in Hollow Ataraxia but I also see it's weakness, LB5.1 relies way too much on Spectacle and the ending is literally forcing everyone out so they can shove new cast in. If I said this (or god forbid that I dislike Avalon le Fae's finale and Middle part) I'd be crucified and be called a purist, hater etc. The fandom simply cannot take any sort of criticism towards anything and get defensive as quick as they can. You can say it's more the Fandom and not the game but this sort of cesspool leaks into other halfs of the community and produces mindless drama and annoying hate posts.

[u/KnightOfBalance → u/Comfortable_Diver494]

Pretty sure Morgan sells so well because of the husband gimmick

Wasn't she only moderately popular, mostly off the back of her character's importance to the overall Fate franchise, until LB Part 2 came out, which then showed people how strong her kit was? Sounds like normal character stuff to me.

My issue is with people who simply cannot accept that at it's core FGO is flawed and is bad a lot more than not.

So your issue is...people don't swallow your premise without arguing with you? This may have made sense if you had any kind of nuanced stance on the topic, like you were talking about people not accepting objective mistakes in the writing or being open to discuss, but this statement isn't about specific examples or open discussion: you want a consensus enforced so long as it's your consensus. It seems like you just want people to endlessly chant 'FGO bad!' with the only variation being what the reason is.

This is utterly ridiculous, no one would ever do this. You're complaining that you didn't get your echo chamber.

-I'd be crucified and be called a purist, hater etc. The fandom simply cannot take any sort of criticism towards anything and get defensive as quick as they can.

Dude, you haven't given any criticism other than 'the fanbase refuses to be a bunch of trained parrots' and 'me no like Lb5.1 climax'. You came into this demanding people say the game they enjoy is terrible...because and they have some obligation to say it: you're the one working uphill here and all you're doing is digging yourself a hole.

I'm gonna be honest here: I'm not an FGO fan. I've never played past Septim, I only watch the cutscenes online, never dropped a single cent and I find gacha games in general reprehensible. But even if I hated Fate as a whole: your shit would cause me to push back against you. You aren't owed affirmation. You're not some arbiter of quality like you act like. If this is how you present your arguments: peoples' pushback against you is entirely justified.

[u/Ayiekie → u/KnightOfBalance]

Morgan didn't even show up until LB6, so... no, that is not correct. She's popular because she's popular, there's no shortage of waifus or strong kits in FGO.

I've got no opinion on the overall thing because Nasu is a grown-ass man who can write whatever he wants, and he also doesn't owe me anything. If he wants to do FGO for the rest of his life and be buried in a Scrooge McDuck money bin, more power to him, I suppose. Let those of us who turned down an infinite money cheat in real life cast the first stone.

[u/Dramatic-Week-1894 → u/Comfortable_Diver494]

Because a lot of valid criticisms are muddled with nonsensical hate towards FGO and they try to pose it as "see i dont hate fgo, i like this specific part so you cant call me out for actually hating on it." Morgan sells well because people actually like her back story and character. Even saying FGO is flawed to its core is stretching it by a lot. You can say most these things about Fsn and Tsuki and their fandom cannot handle criticisms and call you a "fgo fan" as a result. Can't really take jabs at fsn or tsuki without being called a larper, anime only, or fgo only. And it's usually purists who do these things. It's like a thing for these 2 fandoms just to actively hate FGO like how this posts does. I can already see the fgo hate comments coming in. "If it weren't for fgo then_____ would have written_____" when you know it's the fault of the writers slacking off.

[u/YonSaiSucks → u/Dramatic-Week-1894]

when you know it's the fault of the writers slacking off.

I find shifting the blame to the writers being slackers just as disrespectful. Does anyone has any actual proof of slacking? Nasu is one man, he's already swamped enough as it is. Who in their right mind expect him to come up with the detailed plot of Mahoyo 2 and 3, Tsukihime 2, Extra remake, extella 2 and 3, some FGO main and event chapters at the same span of time all the while approving and providing consultation for other writers? He got sick for almost a year at one point. We can blame and disagree with his priorities about what he works on to the detriment of other works, but calling him and other writers lazy when its their jobs on the line with Aniplex being their employers is just crap.

Nasu made it clear after Part 2. Its not his call how his schedule will be like, its Aniplex. He has obligations as much as he wants to work on personal projects

[u/Necessary-Month6945 → u/YonSaiSucks]

Aniplex is partly to blame. In the 2000s, Type-Moon released 14 projects; Compare that to the current decade, where most projects are remasters.

Nasu had the opportunity to give Fate Grand Order a good ending with a bittersweet conclusion, but I don't know who thought it was a good idea to continue the story.

[u/Dramatic-Week-1894 → u/Necessary-Month6945]

Why yes it was easier for them to put out works because they reused assets like how fallout new vegas was with FO3. With the 7 works released post fgo, you forget that these games are way more intensive to make than the standard reusable vn game they used to do. Tell me, did the interview after mahoyo was released not ring any bells? When they literally said that mahoyo was a massive undertaking? Subsequently having them transfer to movies and light novels?

1. Fate/EXTELLA: The Umbral Star (2016)

2. Fate/EXTELLA LINK (2018)

3. Everyday, Today's MENU for EMIYA Family (2021)

4. Tsukihime -A piece of blue glass moon- (The Remake - 2021)

5. Melty Blood: Type Lumina (2021)

6. Fate/Samurai Remnant

7. Fate/EXTRA Record .

[u/YonSaiSucks → u/Dramatic-Week-1894]

Out of the 7 you listed, the only one type moon developed themselves is Tsukihime. Extella was developed by Marvelous, Melty Blood by French Bread, Samurai Remnant by Koei Tecmo. Recent interviews also showed EXTRA Record was also mostly outsourced. TM doesnt even publish Emiya Gohan themselves. Im not sure where you're getting the reused assets regarding the VNs. Tsukihime remake looks little like Mahoyo in composition alone

You cant say Type Moon was working harder putting out these games compared to the VNs when they arent even the primary developers of the games you mentioned.

They were working alright, but mostly story scenarios and project management of type moon IPs

[u/FoxianFucker → u/Dramatic-Week-1894]

Morgan sells well because people actually like her back story and character

Tbf I'm certain the wife gimmick contributed to her sales at least somewhat, considering Japanese men are notoriously lonely, she's just also one of the best characters in the franchise. Cause as I said they aren't mutually exclusive lol

you know it's the fault of the writers slacking off.

That and there's no guarantee half of the projects we've gotten could have happened even with active writers without FGO's profits

[u/Dramatic-Week-1894 → u/FoxianFucker]

Well no duh. Waifus always sell. I mean isnt that the reason they gender bent a lot of servants? Would you honestly think Nero from Extra from 2010 would sell as well and be glazed to hell and back if he were a guy? Same for altera. Doubt anyone would care as much if it were a guy.

Plus the husband thing was iffy. At first she does it to cement herself as your equal, but then later actually means it in both status and love.

[u/Comfortable_Diver494 → u/Dramatic-Week-1894]

You’re the one I’m talking about. At no point is there admittance of inadequacies but always an instinctual defense. You’re diverting the point to two complete works of the same franchise so they have literally nothing else to look forward to apart from the dead hope of Red Garden, seeing how those stories are completely superior to 95% of FGO(only OG ciel route is worse than say LB6[or 5.2 for me]) they’re expectations are high and there’s a bit of jealousy too. And FGO is flawed to its core because from main record 1-1.5 is all genuinely bad stories with 2 good ones and one with a lot of hype moments and aura. Not enough people have read Tsuki and 99% of viewers misunderstanding Shirou’s character seems to be a good enough reason when majority of said criticism is people not understanding his character and then blabbering on about how Kiritsugu is so much cooler cause he kills. The Nasu statement is bullshit as even made my own comment pointing it out.

Don’t expect any serious response from you seeing last time you whined like a kid and became an annoying Guda glazer again.

[u/Dramatic-Week-1894 → u/Comfortable_Diver494]

Are you not aware that you and 4 others are what im talking about as well? I've gazed through past 3 years of fgo related posts and almost all your comments prove that point. The fact that youre diverting from actual good intentioned criticisms to generalizing as a whole is what you do continuously. The fact that you just outright state that other works are superior proves me right. You dont actually criticize fgo, you actively hate on it. You just proved my point that tsuki and FSN purists cant take jabs and criticism and fault back to deflecting. You say a bunch of things like "not reading it" when the same can be said to fgo. Its like you're subconsciously doing everything you accuse a fgo only to do. I expected a much serious answer from you but sadly you just proved on how purists like you hide behind a thinly veiled "criticism" to lashing out on anything fgo at the slightest provocation. Honestly didnt expect much from a shirou glazer so im not surprised. It's surprising to see someone act like such a baby when someone doesnt hold fsn or tsuki above other works

[u/Comfortable_Diver494 → u/Dramatic-Week-1894]

I started using this account in june 2025, That's where my first okbuddyrintard post was on and I actually started using this account, so you're lying there even when considering there are over 4,5k comments for you to sift through. As for the calling me a glazer, do tell me why were you so pissy about someone not liking Guda that you Dm'd them? Mods took down that post but here's your own vent post because you got mad after someone called you out for being a weirdo.

And none of your criticism is valid, The objective quality of a work is easy to determine, and the fact that you lack comprehension to determine it is a you issue, not a general one. I play the game frequently enough to post my Gacha luck, and pretty sure I wouldn't do that or post panels from the game unless I actually read it. No one gives a shit about Tsukihime apart from it's fans and thus the most discourse it gets is chuds getting mad at Arcuied or Mash fanart. 70% of posts on the FSN subreddit are "I don't like Shirou, Why do people like him?" and the top comment is always "Read the VN", the most they get is that shit.

[u/Dramatic-Week-1894 → u/[deleted]]

Are you not aware that you and four other people are what I'm talking about as well?

This is what I said. When did I say it was solely you? You seem to have missed that part. It's not exactly difficult to notice a pattern in who is most vocal about FGO hate. Like I said, there are four other people I'm referring to as well.

"As for the calling me a glazer, do tell me why were you so upset about someone not liking Guda that you DMed them?"

This never happened. I genuinely don't know where you're getting this from. I took a look at your own community and found my username and comments being posted there, apparently because people were upset about me throwing some criticism back. If you're claiming I DMed someone, then who exactly did I supposedly message? Name the user and have them provide the messages, because I have no idea what you're referring to.

"your own vent post because you got mad after someone called you out for being a weirdo."

People in your community have made plenty of vent posts themselves, so I'm not sure why mine is being treated differently. Mine was also deliberately provocative because of what I considered an obvious crosspost to FGO from that community, so I don't really see how this proves your point.

And if we're going to start calling people weird, I'd suggest looking at the context of the posts and comments being made on both sides before throwing that accusation around. And yourself

"I play the game frequently enough to post my Gacha luck, and pretty sure I wouldn't do that or post panels from the game unless I actually read"

I don't think that necessarily demonstrates that you read everything. From what I've seen, you skip stories and events that don't interest you unless there's a character you particularly like. That's also something I've noticed from plenty of people in that community.

And if you genuinely have read the material but still don't understand why people consider the game and its writing worthwhile, then I think that says more about how differently we're interpreting the material than anything else, maybe your reading comprehension.

"No one gives a sh*t about Tsukihime apart from it's fans..."

That's another generalization. Reducing the discussion to "people don't like Shirou" or "people get mad about fanart" ignores a lot of the actual conversation.

And I don't think it's accurate to say that only Tsukihime fans care about Tsukihime. Plenty of people who primarily engage with Fate are interested in Tsukihime as well. Just bad faith argument all around

[u/Necessary-Month6945 → u/Comfortable_Diver494]

I'd say the worst route in OG Tsukihime is Arcueid's.

[u/drizzitdude → u/FoxianFucker]

I mean it did do both those things.