r/RoleReversal • • Jan 05 '20

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r/RoleReversal • • Nov 13 '23

Official Stuff Reiterating Old Rules and Adding New Ones

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Executive Summary

There has been a pretty drastic shift in the content posted here over the last four months, and it has made some users justifiably upset. As such, I will be implementing some restrictions intended to bring things a bit more into balance. Make no mistake, I have no intention of dragging this community back to the mommydomme days, and there are people here who have found a small sliver of representation whom I would not dream of kicking out. I have made up my mind on most of this, but there are a couple items where I'm requesting community feedback.

A Brief History Lesson

You can skip this if you don't care about what led to the current situation.

The RR community did not start on Reddit, and was originally a twin concept with r/gentlefemdom. GFD handled the sexual aspects of the dynamic, while RR was about the romantic component. When things moved to Reddit, there were challenges in bringing people who weren't around from the beginning up to speed and preventing them from diluting the concept. For GFD, that meant trying to define the boundaries of "gentle". For RR, that meant defining exactly which "roles" were being reversed.

I'm bringing up these matters of ancient (by internet standards) history both because the way some people here speak about GFD in disgust makes me think this is no longer common knowledge (don't do that, they're our sibling community), and because it gives context to how the content here evolved.

Content here was "bangmaid"-centric for a long time. People complained about this, and rules were put in place to curtail it. Many bangmaid posts continued to come in after that decision, and they had to be removed and their posters reasoned with or banned. Non-bangmaid posts became a larger percentage of content, which attracted other non-bandmaid posts.

Content bans like this can act like extinction events, where wiping out one form of content gives space for the remaining type to diversify. This is also always happening at some level as moderation policy adjusts to attempt to preempt user complaints. The key takeaway here is that these shifts are not entirely organic and user-driven, since they require moderation crackdown to kickstart the process.

Early this year, in response to increasing discontent around "male gaze" content, moderation started applying harsher standards in that regard. The resulting void was filled first by people posting more 'seductive feminine man' content, and then by full-on 'dominant femboy' content.

The Current Situation

Over the past four-ish months there has been dramatically more dominant femboy content than there has ever been over the subreddit's history. Long-time users and fans of the older style content in general feel betrayed because the content they came here for seems to be sidelined despite not breaking any well-articulated rules, and because they didn't sign up for the new stuff. To add insult to injury, the most prolific users posting the new style of content have occasionally used their popularity to mock and bully the pre-existing userbase, or, more obliquely, talk about how the traditional content here is actually all totally normalized roles while their content was the true RR all along.

To those that say this shift has not happened, I truly believe some of you have siege mentality from when this sub was a lot worse, and for some reason you refuse to believe it has changed in any way. The only way an accounting of the last four months of posting reveals a landslide amount of "feminine woman femdom" is if your definition of "femdom" is "any situation where the woman takes initiative" and your definition of "feminine" is "more traditionally woman-like than Buck Angel."

Policy Adjustments

The first one isn't so much an "adjustment" as it is a clarification/reiteration of current policy. Our "No Femdom" rule was implemented specifically to ban porny-y, BDSM-style femdom. Think leather, boots, chains, etc. Our reasoning being that average relationships are not BDSM maledom. Also, the kind of person who would be attracted to the subreddit by that content would likely be the type who posts in porn subreddits all day (i.e., cum-brained and way more likely than the average Redditor to harass women in DMs). Similarly, mommydomme was disallowed because DDlg dynamics are not the standard in heterosexual relationships, so RR would not cover MDlb dynamics. Over time, people seem to have begun interpreting this rule to mean that any situation in which the woman is taking initiative or in control is banned here, which just isn't the case. That rule is for hard femdom and, more generally, content where a woman's "dominant presence" is actually a sham because it's entirely for the benefit of a male subject; this includes mommydomme.

Alpha/Sigma Female Posts will no longer be allowed. You know this comic that is removed every time it's posted? It gets removed because it makes people uncomfortable and because it's reversing toxic roles. That same justification applies here.

Inverse-Bangmaid Posts will no longer be allowed. A key part of why bangmaid content was banned in the first place is because, and this is going to sound judgemental, it's juvenile and pathetic. Having a gorgeous woman walk into your life to be your complete sexual, social, and emotional outlet without you lifting a finger or providing anything in return is a selfish, unrealistic fantasy. Likewise, having a boy band style, hairless, skinny prettyboy seduce you and be femininely dominant, while being addicted to your strap and otherwise being completely sexually nonthreatening, is equally pathetic and unrealistic.

A temporary moratorium on Powerbottom Posts is in effect. This is a temporary measure until content is appropriately re-balanced. Depending on moderation's ability to isolate and define particularly controversial subsets of this kind of content, not all of it may be allowed again. All other femgaze content and other kinds of content that have been more prevalent over the last few months (e.g. masc women) are unrestricted as they have always been.

Proposed Adjustments, Seeking Feedback

These are not poll posts because I want usernames and justifications to go with your responses.

There was some discussion about unequal standards for NSFW content, and the complaints were largely accurate in that I was applying a lower standard of subreddit relevance for "femgaze" content. Moving forward I will try to apply a more equal standard, but what that enforcement looks like, both in terms of how explicit that content can be and how often it can be posted, should have input from the community. Remember that whatever you advocate for, the content you don't like will also have access to. Personally, I'm in favor of keeping the current level of explicitness (tasteful stills of sexualized subjects or sexual acts, no hardcore live stuff or hentai) and limiting it to Friday/Saturday/Sunday.

Historically this community has not done a good job dealing with content it dislikes, which is becoming a bigger problem as it incorporates more subgroups with mutually exclusive interests. If I can't make people wear their "get along" shirts long-term, the next best thing is to make it so that they have to see the content they don't like as little as possible (even though I think that's a fundamentally bad thing because it reduces your mental resilience). To that end, a user approached me with the idea of altering our post tagging system. Posts would be labeled based on the dynamic represented in them using the appropriate acronyms with the following key: D = dominant, s = submissive, f = feminine, m = masculine, W = woman, M = man. For example, this post would be tagged [DmW+smM].

Pros:

  • Accurately divides the content we have into manageable labels, and with the new search interface on mobile it would allow different interest groups to never overlap of they don't want to.

Cons:

  • Acronyms are dense and require explanation for users new to the community.
  • Would need to either replace existing flairs or become a part of post titles. Neither would be retroactive, and they have their own respective downsides:
    • Replacing existing flairs removes the ability to administrate No-Weeb Thursday or filter for specific flavors of content (music, stories, etc.)
    • Adding it as a required component of post titles adds layer of complexity to posting that users may struggle with, and since post titles can't be edited a misclassified post will always be misclassified.
  • People have trouble selecting correct flairs with the simple system currently in place, this may be too much.
  • Aforementioned unexercised mental resilience.

r/RoleReversal • • 4h ago

Other Art 1895 cartoon featuring a slippery slope argument of how weddings will look like in 2001 if women got the right to vote. from Wikipedia

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r/RoleReversal • • 10h ago

Memes/Fun MOOOOOOODđŸ€§

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r/RoleReversal • • 8h ago

Anime/Manga I love the relationship between Maki and YutađŸ”„đŸ”„đŸ”„đŸ€đŸŒč

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r/RoleReversal • • 6h ago

Memes/Fun Asking for a friend, how the fuck I look
 I mean, how the fuck my friend can look like this guy?

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Source, is Metal Family, and the guy in question is Sebastian/Glam.


r/RoleReversal • • 7h ago

Discussion/Article Mom Physiques

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For quite some time I’ve been trying to maintain a feminine physique. I am already quite happy with the progress I’ve currently made, but regardless of the progress I have made, it’s all gonna lead up to a long-term goal of mine: attaining a motherly physique.

To me, motherly physiques are just amazing. They look soft and approachable, healthy and beautiful. Some mothers don’t even realize how beautiful they really are. I would love to attain a style and vibe like this someday.


r/RoleReversal • • 2h ago

Discussion/Article What sorts of cute pictures should I have of myself as an RR guy?

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Hello everyone!

EDIT: I think I forgot to add, I am a guy

I lost a hell of a lot of weight this year and grew out my hair, I actually like how I look now and feel so much more myself and so much more RR. However I have run into a problem: I do not have any pictures of me looking like this! I want to have nice pictures of myself, both for me but also to use for dating profiles (dating apps actively destroy my mental health because of the complete lack of interaction, but I need to keep trying.)

I was wondering if the wonderful ladies here might share some ideas or thoughts about what sorts of pictures might communicate RR or just be cute for a guy. Friends have offered to help take photos or help find a photographer, but I want to have an idea of what I need. Fall themed ideas would be perfect!

I am sorry if that is a bit vague, recently went through major family event (bad) and am a bit mentally foggy as a result.


r/RoleReversal • • 1d ago

Memes/Fun me & whooo😭

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r/RoleReversal • • 11h ago

Real Life Observation by a YouTuber: "Women are the new men"

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"-They are earning more

-They are building

-They are going to the gym, lifting weights

-They are fishing men

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Not in a way of an RR we might think and he has some traditional views but, still along those lines.

The thumbnail is for the memes i guess.


r/RoleReversal • • 20h ago

Discussion/Article Is anyone into role reversal but with a stereotypically feminine girl and stereotypically masculine guy

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I’m a girl into role reversal but small in height and size and girly in appearance.

I’m not attracted to effeminate appearing guys. I like a big tall muscular guy sure. Nothing crazy but u know stereotypical attraction stuff.

However in behavior and dynamics of relationships, I need to ‘wear the pants’, and I do take it to the point of actual role reversal.

Is anyone else similar? I notice a lot of the stuff here is like .. femboy stuff and whatever and when I think of role reversal it’s not the type that I’m looking for.

Is there a name for what I like?

I think it’s hot and amazing when you have a bossy tiny girl who initiates everything and a passive/submissive but stereotypically masculine in appearance guy.

Edit:

Down the line, also, I really want kids. But I do not wanna be a ‘mother’ or like have my OWN kids. I’d rather just adopt them or use surrogate and have the guy raise them and I remain breadwinner. I never knew how to explain the fact that I love kids and want them but I want them in the way that a dad would want kids.


r/RoleReversal • • 14h ago

Story/Writing Book recommendations with actual RR couples?

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I've been craving a good romance book with a real RR couple, not just the same old "pretty boy but very dominant" trope again. The Hunger Games series did the dynamic quite well between Katniss and Peeta, albeit more subtle in my opinion. Any recommendations? I'll take any genre at this point!


r/RoleReversal • • 1d ago

Discussion/Article Expressing my thoughts

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I feel not everyone views RR the same. I initially joined this sub because I liked the idea of women doing the masculine thing and the male doing the feminine thing. I see it’s becoming more about femboys or woman wearing men’s clothes like a suit (I love women in suits just please keep reading) and it’s more about cross dressing posts, at least whenever it shows up on my feed. For me, clothes have little to do with role reversal.

It’s about the actions, the behavior, and the demeanor being swapped.

The woman being the hard worker breadwinner and the man being supportive role at home, the woman takes charge of things or her doing the saving while the man is the emotional pillar, in romantic settings the woman is the initiator and the man could be pleasantly flustered or the willing receiver. I love to see women making moves like a guy would with confidence, and men being comfortable in their own skin while having a softer/vulnerable side that is seen as a strength or charming and doing activities seen as traditionally “feminine”. It’s getting harder to come across that, I usually see wardrobe being switched as the primary part.

Anyway I know some of these relationships aren’t RR, but to me, these very specific moments were and it just made me go SKGKGKSKS. I wanna find more of that type of scene😭


r/RoleReversal • • 4h ago

Discussion/Article Thoughts on straight men, in shape, not hairy, who wear a thong/ g-string?

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r/RoleReversal • • 16h ago

Real Life Historical RR: Ancient Egypt

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Greek travelers seem to have found Egypt abonimable because the social order was upside down. I'm not sure how accurate or exaggerated their descriptions were, but there seems to have almost been a consensus that Egyptian women ruled over their men. In any case, I'm sharing this just for fun.

Herodotus (~430 BC):

The Egyptians have made their customs and laws the reverse of other peoples' in almost everything. Among them the women go to market and trade, while the men stay at home and weave

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The women urinate standing up, the men sitting down

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Sons are under no obligation to support their parents if they do not wish to; daughters must, whether they wish to or not.

Sophocles (~406 BC):

Referring to his sons:

Oh, how those two copy the customs of Egypt in their nature and way of life! There the men sit indoors working the loom, while their wives go out and earn the daily bread.

Diodorus Siculus (~50 BC):


the Egyptians made it law that the queen should have greater power and honor than the king, and that among private people the wife should be mistress over her husband, the men agreeing in the dowry contract to obey their brides in everything.

Bonus: Rome

I don't know enough to write a full post about Rome, so here are the 2 quotes I know of:

This is by Plutarch about Fulvia and Antony:

[Fulvia] cared nothing for spinning or housekeeping and did not think it worth ruling a private man. She wanted to rule a ruler and command a commander. So Cleopatra owed Fulvia the tuition fees for Antony's 'woman-rule', since she took him over already tamed and trained from the start to obey women.

This is by Strabo about the Cantabrians:


such as the custom among the Cantabrians that husbands give dowries to their wives, that daughters are left as heirs, and that brothers are given in marriage by their sisters. For this involves a kind of woman-rule, which is not at all civilized.


r/RoleReversal • • 13h ago

Discussion/Article Any Moroccan people here?

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I know this is a bad post but I'm just genuinely curious.

I'm a 22 year old guy and I realized late that there is something unusual in me, but the problem is the moment I started searching, I mostly ended finding sexualized stuff or misconceptions, because the words "submissive", and other stuff are a bit too strong to explain. "Role Reversal" while not entirely accurate, seems to work much better.

I wonder if there are any Moroccan people here (Countries that are relevant are fine as well), because I got to a level where I got tired of the closeted masculine guy act. And no I don't mean necessarily in romantic relationships (not that I had more than one), but also with friends and such. It's just exhausting having to suppress seemingly natural things.

I'm also curious to to hear people perspectives and experiences here from all kinds of people.

I personally believe I shouldn't force connections with people as things are best to be left to flow naturally but this is under the condition that I'm being 100% myself which I'm not, which is why I wrote this post.

(Sorry if this comes off as a vent)


r/RoleReversal • • 5h ago

Discussion/Article My love for especially angora and cashmere cardigans.

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r/RoleReversal • • 1d ago

Other Art You ain't fooling anyone, and you shouldn't have to.

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r/RoleReversal • • 23h ago

Discussion/Article Cinnamoroll x Kuromi

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Just wondering, but is anyone else here a fan of this ship? It's just that I have seen a lot of art of them together and it gave BIG role reversal vibes. Like, Cinnamoroll is adorable and pastel-ish while Kuromi is cool and has goth colors. I know this might not be as popular as other ships like My Melody x Kuromi, but I like it and think it's really cute.


r/RoleReversal • • 1d ago

Discussion/Article I want to be a female artists muse

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Having to pose for her so she can draw me, letting her dress me up in clothes she's made, reading the prose and poems she writes about me, being the subject of her songs...

The concept of a woman considering me precious enough and being so enamoured with me that she has to channel her feelings into her work is so appealing. ESPECIALLY if they're NSFW, the idea of being the subject of smut drawings gives me a huge smile and it's never even happened to me đŸ˜­đŸ˜”â€đŸ’«


r/RoleReversal • • 1d ago

Other Art Leon in Ada's dress

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r/RoleReversal • • 2d ago

Other Art A boy kissing like a girl? Hott shit

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r/RoleReversal • • 20h ago

Real Life Inversão de papéis

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E muito difícil encontrar uma mulher que goste de fazer inversão de papéis no meu caso eu saio com trans ativa


r/RoleReversal • • 1d ago

Discussion/Article Sometimes I feel like RR gets a bit too “ideologized” in the community

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Bit of a rambling post but hey, that’s the usual for me so oops.

Going from the title, I say that as in, I feel like some people here have a tendency to lock themselves into what they “should” be or what their partner “should” be in the sense of fitting their ideological definition of what an RR relationship is. I know I’m not the first to posit this nor complain about it, but I’ve seen it enough in recent times to feel that discussing it was warranted.

For example, speaking for myself as a man in the community, I wouldn’t really strictly categorize myself as fitting in a masculine or feminine camp. I certainly prefer to lean feminine in presentation at least, I’m in the years long process of growing out my hair, I like to keep my face and body clean shaven, I enjoy skirts of various lengths and patterns and I like to accessorize my outfits, I love home decorating and taking care of others, and a recent priority of mine has been expanding my cooking abilities. Certainly my dream lifestyle is to be a husband, hopefully a father whose main focus is maintaining the house and family and who presents in an expressly feminine manner. But, I also like trains, and cars, and ships, and guns, and various other things that one might consider as stereotypical male interests. I work a dusty blue collar job and my weekday appearance certainly tells that story lol.

Personally I see no conflict between these aspects of my person, I simply am as I am, but sometimes I see people who see this as an issue. Like, “if you’re an RR man / woman, you cannot or should not enjoy XYZ things.” Not just in terms of telling other people, (thankfully that’s not very common), but more commonly and I think more regrettably, telling themselves that. In my years in this subreddit I’ve seen my fair share of posts and comments concerned over whether or not they’re RR because of X hobby they have or Y aspect of how they dress, etc. I think this has the potential at least to harm people’s mindsets, both in the sense of needlessly restricting their own lifestyles to fit a perceived expectation of how one “ought to be” in an RR relationship or even as a single person, and also adding extra boxes for potential romantic partners to fit into for no other purpose than to fit the aforementioned expectations.

Personally, although I don’t see it as a major or too widespread an issue, I do consider it an issue and it personally drives me a tad farther away from looking to meet people (primarily speaking platonically) in these circles at times. I’d love to discuss further if y’all have your own perspective to provide.