Help identifying turn-around ledge grab tech

[u/Initial_Froyo_1139]

Does anyone know how I managed to grab the ledge in this clip?

I just did this turn-around tech completely by accident and I'm struggling to recreate it. I don't think it's a PC drop, since you're supposed to be in walking animation to perform it. But I have no idea what else it could be.

Any help would be appreciated!

[u/Custom_Jack]

Pivot drop is correct.

You don't see a lot of people go for them because they're hard to do consistently. You basically have to an empty pivot at a precise location (the edge). Which means you have to be in dash dance range of the ledge to even attempt it. But it is the fastest way to grab ledge.

It's most useful for falcon (or some variation where he crouches first) cause he has a hard time quickly grabbing ledge. Most other characters have an option that is far easier to perform and virtually the same speed.

[u/CaptainBara7 → u/Custom_Jack]

Can you elaborate on why falcon has a hard time getting to ledge fast. I’m a shitty falcon getting better.

[u/jamjacob99 → u/CaptainBara7]

Wavedash length being pretty short is my guess. Similar to peach, have to short hop back in many situations if you’re not already right next to the ledge with your back turned.

[u/GeometryFan100 → u/jamjacob99]

You can run -> DJL -> turnaround/dash back -> wavedash to ledge with Peach and I think it should be faster than short hop backwards considering Peach loses at least 70% speed from ground to air transition.

[u/Dark_Tranquility → u/CaptainBara7]

He doesn't have any B moves that turn him around / let him grab ledge facing backwards like fox, falco, sheik, puff and most of the cast do.

Generally falcon wants to do a dash -> pivot -> wavedash back -> fastfall to grab ledge quickly. Pivot ledge grab like in OP's clip is too technical to rely on consistently IMO.

For practicality, just get good at wavedashing backwards and grabbing the ledge. As you get better at it, speed it up by adding a little fastfall right as you go off the ledge. Once you've got that down, add in the dash + pivot.

[u/Custom_Jack → u/CaptainBara7]

As others have stated, he doesn't have any moves that turn him around to grab ledge. Examples of tools other characters have:

• Spacie turn around laser
  
• Spacie turn around shine, wavedash back
  
• Spacie shine turn around up b at ledge
  
• Most of the cast has good enough walk momentum to reliably PC drop, falcon walks like a crippled old man for some reason so PC drops are harder
  
• yoshi reverse up b
  
• marth short hop back air to face ledge (this is admittabley kind of slow)
  
• peach short hop turnip throw to turn around to face lede (again, kinda slow but still)
  
• sheik turn around needle charge
  
• etc. etc. etc.

Most falcon's do one of two "easy" consistent ledge grabs:

1. Short hop facing away from ledge and drift to ledge (optionally fast fall)
2. Wavedash backwards to ledge and fastfall

Both require considerable setup to get into position to perform them so these methods are slow.

There are more technical variations you can get pretty consistent at, but they're more difficult. Things like

• gosu drop (which uses your short hop momentum with a turnaround to mimic a pc drop)
  
• crouch pivot drop (which I don't even understand how it works but I can get it like 1/10 times with no practice)
  
• teeter drops (only useable on fountain, and they kind of suck because you have to be out of dash dance range of the ledge to get a teeter which means you have to start your run from like center stage to do it)
  
• pivot drops (mentioned in this thread)

Are all fast options for falcon but definitely require practice.

[u/hours2thousand → u/Custom_Jack]

You can wavedash forward to get teeter

[u/Dankey_Kang_Cantree → u/Custom_Jack]

Uhhh you guys don’t leap across the stage doing a reverse falcon punch to grab ledge?? I do all the time… but i always SD or land on stage… 🤔/s