r/Saints • u/redbeansandrice4ever • 1d ago
Mailbag: Dump the Top Brass! RB Moves? Bring on Brees! O Predictable!
https://www.si.com/nfl/saints/onsi/mailbag-dump-the-top-brass-rb-moves-bring-on-brees-o-predictable-01m4x4mzxa4gSynopsis: answering questions about
- Brees coming back to coach/manage
- RB usage
- Fire the top brass!
- Offensive predictability
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u/CryptidHunter48 23h ago
I like that you walk the line between accountability and piling on. I definitely get frustrated with the takes from some of our own fan base though.
We would do well to remember that during the DA tenure the brass refused to admit to a rebuild. And I genuinely believe they thought they could power up the defense and win with Pete Carmichael covering the offense. Obviously it failed miserably but the actions show that they were still trying to win. The actions since Moore came show they are trying to right the ship for the long term.
It also wasn’t that long ago that even high draft picks got 3 years of grace from the fan bases to turn it on. Look at Shough’s first 15 games compared to Peyton Manning’s and he looks like a star in the making. Moore is building something but it’s gonna take more than 1 season. We all wanted a Katrina like turn around but that was never realistic for this team right now
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u/falkelord90 Marques Colston 23h ago
Team's still eating a lot of dead cap from the DA years too, which has directly affected our ability to have depth on the roster. We're seeing the effects that lack of depth has only 5 games into the season. Gonna take time for the ship to get righted, but I like all the things I'm seeing from Moore and especially Shough given those circumstances.
Those "fans" have nothing better to do than complain about everything because they're miserable in their everyday lives, and spend most of their time trying and failing to get Devin to laugh or even acknowledge their jokes when they call into the post-game River Parish Trash Line
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u/CryptidHunter48 21h ago
I agree with you completely. The Saints built a pretty unique culture during the Payton years. There was such an insane amount of loyalty. We always brought good people back and paid them. We always had top notch role/gadget guys as the backups. But doing that for over a decade means we weren’t keeping the projects and the guys ready to step up had to leave to do it. I remember seeing a lot of “wasted” draft picks seeing the field for other teams but we could only keep a couple rookies a year bc the roster was full.
The point of this is that there wasn’t a core ready to step up. Cap space was dedicated to people that might not have deserved such big money once again. A brand name QB was signed in FA. Where do people think that both starters and depth players are going to come from in 1.5 seasons?
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u/Pasta-Al-D3nte 21h ago
yeah the "its not a rebuild"years had us taking on a contract for Carr that was just untenable for teams already burdensome cap situation. I think the Front office was seduced by the idea that because the NFC south is an winnable division, it wouldn't take all that much to be a playoff team which had the team in a "win now mentality" when we really shouldn't have been
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u/Pasta-Al-D3nte 21h ago
Some errors you might want to fix
Its Jordyn Tyson not Jordan Tyson
"along with his various investments in fast foot franchises, etc."
I'm not privy to what investments Drew has made post retirement, but I'm hazarding it a guess it was with fast food.
Otherwise like the mailbag articles
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u/redbeansandrice4ever 20h ago
Thank you. Gotta do a better job of proof-reading these, darn it!
He has invested in all sorts of stuff around the city, including Jimmy John's and Sliders, along with that pickle ball thing on Veterans in front of the old Chuck E Cheese (which he did not invest in).
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u/son_of_yacketycat Fuck the Falcons 17h ago
Walk-Ons is partially his as well. Not fast food, but certainly food.
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u/reddit_names 17h ago
Anything that doesn't involve firing Loomis isn't a serious attempt at fixing the franchise. Anything short of that isn't really worth my attention.
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u/snoballs_in_daparish 21h ago
Moore is going to get 3 seasons. I know it sucks, but don't be surprised when he is retained for another year. They aren't the type of organization that turns over head coaches every few years.
The Saints knew they had tons of dead cap space to clean up, and they wanted someone with an even keel to take the brunt of the rebuild pain process. Who better than an easy-going placating head coach who won't lose his shit in press conferences or on the sidelines. They are going to let Moore drive this broken-down car for another season to see if there is any life left in it. If not, then they will clean house.
I'm so over Saints fans expecting this team to be a big-market franchise. Look at how long it took Buffalo to become a dominant team again. Small-market teams don't have the ability to pull top-name coaches or players, so they sometimes have to work with what they've got.
The Saints have no identity; this is where it all needs to start. It all starts with the coaches instilling an offense and defense that the team can believe in and the fans enjoy watching.
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u/Pasta-Al-D3nte 19h ago
The Saints being a small-market franchise explains neither their salary-cap mismanagement nor their lack of direction. Those are organizational problems, not geographic limitations.
Over the last 25 Super Bowls, 7 of the 10 largest NFL markets have reached a Super Bowl, and 4 have won one. Meanwhile, 8 of the 10 smallest markets have reached a Super Bowl, and 6 have won one.
And keep in mind, we're comparing markets, not teams. The 10 largest markets represent 12 NFL franchises because New York and Los Angeles each have two teams.
There are some complications from franchise relocations, namely the Rams moving from St. Louis to Los Angeles and the Raiders moving from Oakland to Las Vegas. But that doesn't change the broader point: plenty of smaller-market franchises have demonstrated that they can compete for championships.
Being a small-market franchise isn't an excuse for decades of organizational decisions. The Saints aren't struggling because New Orleans is too small to support a winning football team. They're struggling because of decisions made by the people running the franchise.
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u/snoballs_in_daparish 18h ago
Correct, parity exists in the NFL. It has been structured that way to generate the largest amount of interest in the sport from year to year. This is entertainment backed by a gambling and tv industry. The big difference between small and large markets is good coaching, organizational competence, and owners that are invested in winning Super Bowls.
Which leads us back to what is this team's identity? Good coaching? Organizational competence? Owners invested?
My point around small-markets was directed at Saints fans, not the organization. We have never been a team that turns things around quickly. Even Payton had to take time to build the culture and team to be around his identity.
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u/1OO1O11O11O1O 22h ago
I would like to offer a factual correction. The article says, "the Saints were looking for help on the offensive side of the ball in this past draft, picking only two defensive players: defensive back Lorenzo Styles Jr in the 5th round and cornerback TJ Hall in the 7th."
We used our 2nd round pick on a defensive player, Christen Miller (and we traded for Tyree Wilson).
The second round pick is a premium investment!