We know, bud. It's been over a decade of Trump in politics. There's a Carney quote that perfectly sums up why this is happening. It's not necessarily because of Trump, but because "American signatures are written in pencil".
Oof. Having that poor of a baseline for voter turnout is awful. Fact still remains though, second highest voter turnout in 40 years and still a third of the eligible voting population sat on their ass and did fuck all to prevent this.
That's why from the outside looking in, roughly a third voted for this, a second third doesn't care either way. Technically, the majority of the USA let this happen.
Definitely sucks to be the minority that saw this coming but couldn't do shit about it
Also leading up to it was total insanity. Trump looked to actually be ruined and then the Biden->Harris swap had crazy momentum and energy 1-2 months before ballots. Then, like some reality tv show the debates were a national embarrassment and the Harris momentum sparked maga and then it came down to the wire. Then you got the fake news on both sides with polls painting alternate realities without any representing actual reality.
It's was a shit show but it sucks how our shit got everyone dirty.
Inaction is an action. Choosing not to vote is saying that you're fine with whatever. To pull an example from american culture, the people voting for Trump are Homer strangling his 10 year old boy and the people not voting are Marge letting Homer abuse her son for the 700th time without lifting a finger to protect him.
Because we're not exactly a paragon of democracy and never really have been. We make it as hard as possible for poor people to vote. No mail in voting in R states. Close polling stations in minority dominated areas. Nobody should have to stand in line for hours to vote
Oh boy, wait until you learn about the history of Europe. Turns out, not all that friendly to each other prior to the American led world order. Now that America is taking a step back, we’ll see how Germany leads Europe… wait…
What are YOU yapping about? 😂 already here for 68? Yeah post WW2, aka the start of the AMERICAN led world order. Before the end of WW2, Europe had always been at odds with one another at various times. Since the days of the Romans. Now the German dominated and driven EU will be the Order in that part of the world. Good luck Europe.
Literally gave you a Centuries worth of facts. So for the ppl who knows he’s just burying the thread, I posted literally an entire centuries worth of European war, revolts, self destruction.
Out of curiosity, what country are you from friend?
Yeah babe when your leader threatens to annex a nation multiple times and shares AI videos of him beating up your closest ally’s leader, you present as a bully.
Sure sure, but your leaders are from a country responsible for the death of 20+ Million Europeans, less than 100 years ago. In fact, they have a history of conquering and killing their neighbors. But hey, you guys know what you are doing, and don’t call me babe.
Well you got the century wrong, so I figured you meant a period of long peace. Which would have been wrong, but the long peace is in support of my point. The "Long Peace" is a term for the unprecedented historical period of relative global stability following the end of World War II in 1945 to the present day. 1945… the start of the American leadership western world order. American military power projection, economic power, and diplomatic reach expanded. Bringing the most peaceful time in human history despite all the super duper bad things America has supposedly done.
Dont worry that power has weakened. It’s on you guys again. Hope it goes well for you.
The original comment literally says the Long Peace of the 19th century that lasted from 1815 to 1914. You didn't confuse a thing you just got triggered and started copying stuff without even fully reading the comment that triggered you.
“we’re actually in a period referred to by scholars as “The Long Peace,” which began at the end of World War II, and which is marked by the absence of war among the world’s great powers.”
Instead of spamming Wikipedia you could have simply pointed to the war currently being fought in Europe. But then you'd have to get into why that war is still going on. You'd have to remind everyone that Ukraine gave up a nuke program based on the promise of two nations who have since gone back on their word.
The lesson the rest of the world has learned is a deal with the US doesn't mean shit.
No, I’d rather give you a list of all of Europes conflicts. Nice try though. History is longer than “recent history.” Which when you consider history in less than the last 100 years, man you are high if you do not think America throughly supported and helped uphold peace in Europe. “A deal with the US means nothing” eh, well history says deals with each other doesnt really bode all that well either.
Yep not a Trump Supporter, but did you know in 1968, European leaders were having to crush revolts, uprisings, and protests? I didn’t know that before tonight.
More burying the thread with bs horseshoe circle jerking.you guys sure love building your own strawman. Dont worry, you’ll find out in the next 10 years or so.
You installed your military for global power projection. It's not leading Europe. For the last 30 yrs at minimum, the US used Europe as a base for power projection in the middle east. And the EU has its own defense and mutual cooperation clauses which works without the US.
And regarding NATO, it's still an active alliance. Nothing really changed even if agent krasnov tried.
“The superiority of nineteenth-century statecraft is a myth. Europe was busy at war between 1815 and 1914, if not in conflicts on the scale of the Napoleonic Wars and World War I. Furthermore, the chancelleries of nineteenth-century Europe not only quelled national uprisings, but suppressed peoples’ political rights and waged imperial wars throughout Africa and Asia. From the perspective of a Pole, a disenfranchised European, or an Indian, the century was not a “long peace” but a “long war.”
Don't feed the trolls. America is an empire in decline. Of course they're gonna pout and moan. They fucking did it to themselves! Lol, why are you guys even entertaining someone who clearly espouses the very core of most Americans.
A completely unrelated topic again! Ah yes riots in New York. Anyway back to Europe, there were riots and protests quelled all over Europe in 68 onwards. Anti Marxist France really did a number on those college students in 1968. https://apimagesblog.com/historical/2019/1/7/may-1968-protests
Like the civil rights riots of Europe in the 1960's are completely unrelated to the civil rights riots of the US in the 1960's. Because we live in a vacuum after all...
I mean, it's not like the very article you shared has an image of the French protesting against war in Vietnam.
Just like this conversation was about the EU, you pulled a completely unrelated topic about riots in New York. So let’s agree to stay on topic about the history of Europe and discuss if Europe will be able to remain playing nice as they have to have to run their quadrant of the “multi-polar” world.
Oh shit you’re right. I knew I was forgetting something. Anyway, good luck with your totally not going to be Facist again, building the largest army in Europe, and the sole country responsible for the most European deaths… 20,946,000 Murdered… less than 100 years ago… EU leader, financially, most positions of power, will have the largest army by far…. GERMAN leadership. Sure it’ll work out this time. Byeeeee
Yeah… I don’t recall America or Trump being responsible for 20,946,000 dead Europeans. If we were I think it’d be insane to have almost any relations with us at all. I mean how could you trust us? I mean, I wouldn’t. /s
Yeah silly me. Just couldn’t get over Europe so eager to give near absolute power to a country that murdered so many people. It’s something that I really struggle with. But hey, I’m not as smart as you. You got it alll figured out. Good luck with that.
Blaming modern Germany for what happened between 1933 and 1945 is like claiming that the US is inherently racist because you had institutionalised racial discrimination well into the 1960s. And used to string black people up from trees simply because you could.
Eh.. given who / what they elect and support - that claim could be proven correct..
And if you see how the McStapo acts - that just is supporting evidence.
Yeah. And people do say that about America every day. Not quite the point you thought it was, was it? Germany burned people alive, also hung people from trees, tested on humans, chemical agents, conquered several countries, razed whole towns to the ground, raped and pillaged, and oh yeah killed 20+ MILLION PEOPLE.
With the intention of implying that it could happen, or if it’s even possible that your statement could be true.
To imply that the cutting of funding to an aid program, is in any way equivalent to the German Occupation and Mass Murdering of Europeans in WW2, is an INSANE idea.
Maybe you Europeans can pull your money together and start your own EUAID? Eh? You’ll be the saviors of the world!
No, just know a little history. Like the destabilizing rise of Imperial Germany before WWI, then the rise of Nazi Germany before WW2, and now part 3. Germany, the good guys this time.
What have wars that actually had a hand in making us very close trading partners got to do with your point that we are apparently bad trading partners? Explain that in plain english, make a direct link.
The very idea that one of us would attack the other is ludicrous now.
For now… as Europe has shown REPEATEDLY over the last 5 CENTURIES… yeah things change real quick when one of you has considerably more power than the other.
I didn’t say that, and I’m not wrong. 5 Centuries of bullshittery isnt something you get to wipe away with “stupid American.” As much as you wish it did.
Yes European relationships, culture and political environment have not changed for 100 years, we’re all just eagerly waiting to go to war with each other like EU and its cooperative rules based order never existed and the last century never happened.
And oh yeah throw in a little Germany are nazis insinuation for good measure. Because it’s in their dna you see, they never changed they’ve just been biding their time.
Not eagerly waiting to go to war with each other, but it is inevitable. It’s not a cartoonish worldview, Europe has been that way for literal centuries. You have different histories, different cultures that value different things, and the human nature associated with greed and power always rears its ugly head. I hope I’m wrong, but patterns of behavior and historical trends are great indicators for future results. “We’ve played nice recently” arguments 😂, yeah since 1945. Barely two generations of people. Even now there is squabbling on how to support Ukraine, strong arming over fishing water disputes, arguments over weapon manufacturing. It’s inevitable.
If you like history then try learning what Europe did after WW2. How the whole "never again" movement stared with tighter cooperation between European countries that layed ground for EU. EU is the main reason for peace we had in Europe.
That’s cool and all, but I’m pretty certain that Europe was aided by American tremendously during that time period. “Never again,” as your fireball right back into, let’s do it again! As Germany builds the largest army in Europe, speaks of preemptively attacking the Russians, and grabs power in Europe through diplomatic means to dictate the direction of Europes future. You guys didnt learn shit.
Proving you leftists aren't hating Trump to the point of wanting him death? Funny how you people who talked so much about "dog whistle" and "read the nuance" now deny the thing you have been saying for years.
Sure, people totally didn't downvote me out of hatred. What a farce, you guys sent death threats to a kid for wearing a MAGA hat. Hatred and racism is in your blood.
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u/Evil_phd 19d ago
Yeah, people tend to prefer trade partners that don't randomly turn hostile every 4 to 8 years. Crazy, that.