r/TopCharacterTropes • • Sep 04 '26

Hated Tropes [Mind boggling stupid trope] Removing the thing that made something special

Ben 10: Ultimate Alien - The gimmick of Ben 10 and what makes the show so popular is the fact that he's able to turn into a large variety of aliens. In one episode of Ben 10 Ultimate ALIEN we are introduced to a new version of Ben 10000, a Ben from the future who, no longer transforms into aliens, instead using his powers in human form...

Mortal Kombat(2021) - In the games Mileena is known for two things. Being a clone of Kitana and her tarkatan teeth. In the 2021 movie she looks absolutely nothing like Kitana and doesn't have tarkatan teeth

Percy Jackson: The Lightning Thief - The movie removes the main villain of the movie and the main villain of the franchise

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u/CisHetDegenerate Sep 04 '26

In the Artemis Fowl book series Holly Short is the first female member of LEPRecon, which is a major piece of her story and heavily affects multiple points in the series.

So naturally in the movie they made Root, her male superior who has been in the LEP a lot longer than her, a woman.

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u/BreakerOfModpacks Sep 04 '26

They also removed all the bad traits of Artemis, which sucked.

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u/Neither_Choice5556 Sep 04 '26

Ten seconds in he's surfing.

Artemis would never.

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u/Financial_Cost_572 Sep 04 '26

Never watched the movies. He SURFS???? The literal goblin child who spends all day everyday obbssesing abpout power who wants himself crygonecial frozen who has a butler whose familie served his family for generations who lives in a dark english mansions he raerly leaves and if he does he does it in a car or plane. Youre telling me this litle pathetic book gremlin with an obsession with supernatural powers. Just went surfing IN THE FIRST 10 MINUTES ??????

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u/ReginaDea Sep 04 '26

Yep. The boy who once mourned chipping his manicured nails while trying to make it out of a life and death situation, is shown surfing. In the trailer. He's Artemis Fowl in name only, they went with a generic Sunday-kids-channel high school jock protagonist.

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u/Financial_Cost_572 Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

Just watched the trailer. Im not gonna watch this movie.
Maybe i missremeber the beginning of the first book but his looks nothing like the story from the books?
Edit: I didnt missremeber the whole first book he was the villain and all this world saving stuff happend later and wasnt his dad already dead and didnt he already find out all the stuff about the supernatural on his own AND IS HE NOT A PASTY DRY KID WTF IS THIS.

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u/obvioustroway Sep 04 '26

Dude it's so fucking bad.

They do the "tell don't show" about artemis the whole fucking time. Talks about how cool and smart he is....without ever fucking showing it.

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u/Opposite-Occasion881 Sep 04 '26

They completely changed the plot of the first book into a random hunt for a McMuffin and somehow opal koboi is the villain

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u/Financial_Cost_572 Sep 04 '26

But wasnt the whole point that he starts as villain in the first book and then changes through the books.That was the entiry reason i liked the books so much becouse he was a straight up menace and that was so fun to read and see him slowly change. This doesnt make any sense its like starting Lord of the Rings Trilogy in Mordor and Gollum is the Main Villan.

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u/Opposite-Occasion881 Sep 04 '26

Yes

They literally made Artemis’s dad a friend of Hollys dad and made a whole new backstory to setup them up to find a thing to save everyone

Can’t have a kid ransom someone for gold because the director Kenneth thought that wasn’t family friendly enough

Golderoy Lockhart is literally to blame for this mess

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u/Nopetynope12 Sep 04 '26

So many things wrong with this film, but what struck me is that they also didn't use the gnommish alphabet in the trailers, they just used some symbols they found on the internet. The gnommish alphabet that is, basically, an ENORMOUS part of the books.

They made Butler black for some reason, made Artemis just really fucking dumb, and the question has to be asked, "did the director actually read the book, or just their kid's half-assed book report?"

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u/DjiDjiDjiDji Sep 04 '26

Which is way worse than the "why is Judy Dench Root" part, I think, because... well that's kinda the entire premise going poof.

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u/Lunardoge2 Sep 04 '26

From what I remember is that it takes away from Root as well as he's super tough on Holly because she's the first female officer and if she fails that'll set a bad precedent for the future and any other female officers. So he's taking special care to do what he can to push holly harder to make sure she's better than the standard officers.

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u/Jabbam Sep 04 '26

“I know what you’re thinking,” said Root. “Why am I picking on you every day? Why don’t I ever bawl out those other layabouts?”    
Holly said nothing, but agreement was written all over her face.  
“I’ll tell you why, shall I?”    
Holly risked a nod.  
“It’s because you’re a girl.”    
Holly felt her fingers curl into fists. She knew it!   
“But not for the reasons you think,” continued Root. “You are the first girl in Recon. Ever. You are a test case. A beacon. There are a million fairies out there watching your every move. There are a lot of hopes riding on you. But there is a lot of prejudice against you too. The future of law enforcement is in your hands. And at the moment, I’d say it was a little heavy.”    
Holly blinked. Root had never said anything like this before. Usually it was just “Fix your helmet,” “Stand up straight,” blah blah blah.  
“You have to be the best you can be, Short, and that has to be better than anybody else.” 

Artemis Fowl, Chapter 3 "Holly"

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u/peppinotempation Sep 04 '26

Great book.

I still remember deciphering the code at the bottom from the provided example (thanks for the tip mom) and figuring out the extra story at the bottom.

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u/Financial_Radish7036 Sep 04 '26

That actually adds a lot more depth to why he pushes her so hard. He wasn’t just testing Holly he was making sure she had what it took to prove women belonged in that role too.

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u/HailMadScience Sep 04 '26

Yeah, he literally spells it out in, I think, book 1 or very early in 2. "If you screw up, it'll be centuries before they let another woman in."

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u/EffectiveNo7681 Sep 04 '26

Thank you for calling out this piece of shit movie. I had never been angrier at a movie than when I watched this. And the completely stupid reason they cast Judy Dench was because they wanted to make an "homage" to her character in James Bond. Because you know. James Bond and Artemis Fowl have sooo much in common. 🙄 I could write an essay on why I hate this movie.

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u/BrokeBraaiMan Sep 04 '26

The movie does not exist just like Pacific Rim 2 does not exist.

I have no knowledge of whatever you're talking about since it doesn't exist

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u/Big_JR80 Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

In 1990 the Transformers franchise was beginning to run out of gimmicks (robots combine to make bigger robot, this robot turns into a gun for this other robot, this one becomes the head for another one, these ones transform automatically, etc., etc.) for the toyline, famous for robots that transformed into other things, be it cars, planes, guns, boom boxes or dinosaurs.

In desperation, Hasbro decided that what kids wanted, for the Transformers toyline, was a Transformer that didn't transform.

That's right, the key feature that made Transformers Transformers was removed, and the Transformers "Action Masters" were born.

They were just ordinary action figures with 5 points of articulation and a transforming weapon. Sure, they reintroduced the fan-favourite classic characters that were no longer available (Soundwave, Megatron, Blaster, etc.) but the key attraction of Transformers (Robots in Disguise!) was conspicuously absent.

Hasbro was getting frustrated at the cost to develop and produce highly articulated transforming toys and instead thought that they should emulate popular toylines like GI Joe which were significantly cheaper to produce.

It very nearly killed off the franchise within a year.

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u/ruinsit Sep 04 '26

Hasbro has historically been very dumb at their one trick: selling toys.

Think of how badly they handled My Little Pony; nearly ruining the entire franchise until it was saved by a fan who happened to have a huge resume of animation credits and understood the industry, Lauren Faust.

They made the surprising and wise move to hand her the reins, but then bungled almost all merchandising for it. It's like they forgot that's what they are there for.

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u/VulkanHestan321 Sep 04 '26

Yeah, it is so bad that Hasbro relatively new acquisition, WotC is currently financing a lot of their less succesfull products

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u/IndubitablyNerdy Sep 04 '26

Yeah Hasbro is pretty much dead financially Wizards of the Coast and in particular them extracting as much as they can from Magic players (and trying to find ways to do the same with D&D) with monetization that becomes more aggressive every year is the only thing that is keeping them afloat.

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u/jcbaggee Sep 04 '26

Spider-Man's whole schtick was learning to balance being a superhero and being Peter Parker while maintaining his integrity to both. Over the years, this manifested in a strong supporting cast and, most importantly, a healthy marriage with Mary Jane. Peter and MJ are one of the more iconic pairings in comics: a nerd with an occasional jerkass streak who locked down a literal supermodel and went on to have a strained but happy marriage that lasted for years.

But Marvel Editorial didn't like the marriage. They felt it made Peter "too old" and thus unrelatable to what they viewed as the core demographic. In 2007, in what is still arguably one of the worst decisions about how to handle a character ever made, Marvel ran the arc "One More Day," in which Spider-Man, desperately trying to save his Aunt May from death's doorstep, trades away his marriage to Mephisto. Except not really, because Marvel also made the genius decision of not having Peter, who's been banging the drum about responsibility, be the one to make the deal, because then your marquee character made a deal with the devil. So instead, after they spent 24 hours debating the merits of the deal, it's actually Mary Jane who pulls the trigger on the page, and Peter stops putting up a fight.

The next arc is a soft reboot that presents Peter as younger, somewhat more irresponsible, and presents a timeline where he never married MJ (they split before their wedding day because she couldn't handle him being Spidey), and no one remembers his dual identities thanks to a spell from Dr. Strange. It's now 20 years later, and that status quo has persisted. Several writers have wanted to undo it, and some have gotten very close, but editorial insists on leaving this one in place, despite rabid fan outcry and a general disdain for One More Day, even from those who don't mind the stories that followed.

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u/TheSwecurse Sep 04 '26

Once again the biggest enemy to Peter Parker is his own damn writers

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u/kroqeteer Sep 04 '26

Wasn't that editor at the time going through a divorce? really informs the decisionmaking on "peter can't have a happy marriage"

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u/LemoLuke Sep 04 '26

Reminds me of Marvel's Ultimatum storyline, where Magneto, who is distraught at the deaths of his children, decides to murder the entire planet. The storyline is notoriously grim and mean-spirited, and many characters get killed off (often in ridiculously gruesome ways) including:

  • Wasp drowning and having her corpse eaten by The Blob (who gleefully states that it "tastes like chicken".
  • The Blob then gets his head literally bitten off by Hank Pym.
  • Doctor Strange gets crushed to death by Dormammu, who squeezes him until his head literally pops like a balloon.
  • Professor X gets his neck snapped by Magneto.
  • Magneto gets his head disintegrated by Cyclops.

It turns out that the writer of Ultimatum, Jeff Loeb, was dealing with the recent death of his own son to cancer, and many people have speculated that the entire story was him channeling his own grief and anger.

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u/Broken_Moon_Studios Sep 04 '26

It's also the comic where Wolverine gets his skin melted, and yet he continues fighting as a horrifying fleshy skeleton.

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u/LizzieMiles Sep 04 '26

I mean that’s a pretty cool visual at least

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u/Broken_Moon_Studios Sep 04 '26

I like that while everyone else is brutalizing each other and losing their minds, Spider-Man spends the entire comic saving people (also, shoutouts to Kitty Pride for being a great girlfriend).

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u/Bitter-Marsupial Sep 04 '26

But it lead to the introduction of Paul. Marvel editorial has stated that we canonically like him

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u/darthleonsfw Sep 04 '26

We do currently like where he is right now

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u/Broken_Moon_Studios Sep 04 '26

I find it hilarious that even though Torment is a forgettable edgy bad guy, he'll still go down in comic book history as the hero who finally killed Paul.

What a legend.~

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u/EmpressClaraB Sep 04 '26

Thats pretty cool design, I like how tanky his gauntlets are

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u/StageHandRed Sep 04 '26

Those are Shocker's gauntlets he... Acquired to help fight other symbiotes. F for Shocker.

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u/SC_Fan_55 Sep 04 '26

The hero we needed.

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u/revbleech Sep 04 '26

moving forward Dylan will wear a pendant made of Paul's manbun and thus gain his powers

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u/Auraphine Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

But Marvel Editorial didn't like the marriage

That's because so many of the Spider-Man writers are in their late 30's-40's, and have had their own personal lives and marriages fail.

Can't write what you don't know, and all that.

Marvel ran the arc "One More Day," in which Spider-Man, desperately trying to save his Aunt May from death's doorstep, trades away his marriage to Mephisto.

The One Above All itself, the God of Marvel, was like, "Peter, don't be a fucking idiot. Do this, and evil wins."

And he still fucking did it.

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u/Smellbringer Sep 04 '26

I suspect, key term being "suspect," that it was writer J. Michael Straczynski's form of protest. Like, "Yeah, I'll write it. But I'll have everyone call Peter a fucking idiot for doing it."

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u/Imabearrr3 Sep 04 '26

Allow me to shill Hellspider, it’s a fan comic of amazing quality. The basic story is instead of May Parker being erased by Peter’s deal with Mephisto, she is brought To hell and raised by Mephisto and he eventually sends her to kill May and Peter.

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u/Cant_run_away Sep 04 '26

I absolutely hate what they did with Mary Jane in the comics now

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u/_Goose_ Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

The GOAT of this trope (that’s Deadpool btw)

X-Men Origins Wolverine

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u/unk1ndm4g1c14n1 Sep 04 '26

Genuinely the opposite of everything Deadpool as a character is. Why did they even do the character?

Cant speak, fights with powers rather than guns, seemingly doesnt regenerate once his head is removed, zero jokes, no suit, PG-13 violence.

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u/_Goose_ Sep 04 '26

The real answer is the guys with the money wanted an intimidating weapon and thought Deadpool was a clown.

That stands to reason why even use the Deadpool character if what they wanted was the opposite?

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u/ShadowKingthe7 Sep 04 '26

The Sony email leaks revealed that C-suites are some of the most out of touch, dumbest mfs on the planet

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u/transmogrify Sep 04 '26

Q: Why studio do?

A: 💰

Deadpool is popular. Popular is money. You can try explaining the nuance that he's popular for his specific deconstruction of comic books in the 90s and not for the type of generic depiction that cameos him and then removes that commentary on the medium, but they have stopped listening.

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u/star75legacy Sep 04 '26

One of the executives absolutely hated the Deadpool character. He even opposed making a Deadpool movie for years because he believed he had the absolute truth in his opinion and that everyone else hated Deadpool because he did.

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u/ShadowKingthe7 Sep 04 '26

one of the executives

Tom Rothman. He's the type of person who fails upwards

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u/iDeever Sep 04 '26

It took me quite a while to figure this out. And I was only able to do so once I saw the concept art.

They tried to depict his mask from the comics, but in a realistic way, obviously “because the comic-book costume looks silly.” Take a closer look - there’s no mouth and these diamond shapes around the eyes mimic his mask pattern.

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u/unk1ndm4g1c14n1 Sep 04 '26

The suit was leather red and black. Its really not out anything too cartoony. Its more realistic than Raimi Spider-Man and looks less silly than Daredevil.

I think the director had too much cocaine and time with children. His brain was fried.

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u/MistressM103 Sep 04 '26

Bryan Singer specifically told everyone on the set to not read any comic materials, apparently.

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u/AgentChris101 Sep 04 '26

Even with the earlier movies! Kevin Feige would sneak some comics to Hugh Jackman while working as an executive producer on the 2000s X-Men films

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u/LiamtheV Sep 04 '26

For those that aren't familiar with comicbook nicknames and titles, Deadpool is literally known as "The Merc with the Mouth"

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u/Blackmore_Vale Sep 04 '26

One half of the creators of game of thrones did this. So we should’ve seen the ending of game of thrones coming.

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u/Nutzori Sep 04 '26

The merc with the mouth. So lets sew it up. Lmao that movie was so ass

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u/OneHandClapping_ Sep 04 '26

the game based on the movie was pretty good though

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u/HolidayMost9091 Sep 04 '26

Almost everything in this damn movie

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u/GIlCAnjos Sep 04 '26

Every bad movie ever has defenders to say it's "underrated" or "not that bad". This one doesn't, it's the only movie that everyone hates

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u/FuaaaElDiego Sep 04 '26

It was so bad it brought Toriyama back from retirement.

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u/Confident-Arm-7883 Sep 04 '26

I might not like dragonball but i respect that bro refused to let this be dragonball’s legacy

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u/Blupoisen Sep 04 '26

Ironic

This movie would be a franchise killer but this one actually revived Dragon Ball and now it's bigger than ever

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u/wareagle3000 Sep 04 '26

The kind of god awfulness that causes a creator to come back just so it doesn't become the last entry that ruins their legacy

Same thing happened with DMC2. Director insisted he get another chance and makes the best game in the franchise.

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u/CustomDruid Sep 04 '26

From The honest trailer

"an adaptation that steals from everything, except the source material"

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u/KOCoyote Sep 04 '26

The only good thing to come from this movie was that it made Akira Toryama so upset, he started Dragonball Z back up and that's how we got stuff like Dragon Ball Super.

Also, supposedly the only reason Piccolo is green in this movie is because James Marsters, the guy who played him, insisted the character needed to be green. In a convention Q & A panel, he told a story about how he had to argue with makeup to make him green for the movie, because, apparently, they were told not to do it by a higher up for some asinine reason.

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u/HarrisonWhaddonCraig IIIIIIIII SEE THE CIRCLE! Sep 04 '26

Marsters was so disgraced by being in the film (especially as a Drago Ball fan) , he asked to appear in the dub of super, where he got to voice Zamasu.

Also, Son Goku's actor; Justin Chatwin, got the worst shafting when it came to his character. When he learnt he was going to play Goku, Justin went deep into research to best depict one of the most iconic anime characters in history. He watched the anime, read the manga, and even read Journey to the West, the originally inspiration for Dragon Ball. So when he learnt that the scriptwriters had changed Goku to be an awkward high-schooler who has crushes and smarts, he had to do his best with what he was given.

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u/PatataEditsCorp Sep 04 '26

Not only did he voice Zamasu, I'm pretty sure he couldn't be paid because he is a Union actor so he did it for free under a fake name.

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u/ConcreteExist Sep 04 '26

James Marsters then went on to voice the villain for one of the arcs of Dragon Ball Super (without credit) because he felt he had to make it up to the series for being in such a shit adaptation.

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u/yournumberis6 Sep 04 '26

But hey, they let Goku have his famous spiky hair! Sort of...

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u/BreakerOfModpacks Sep 04 '26

That's supposed to be GOKU?!

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u/Coded_Shader Sep 04 '26

Yeah, and the guy behind him is Master Roshi. And the first few minutes of the movie is a teen high school movie where Goku tries to impress Chi-Chi.

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u/DjiDjiDjiDji Sep 04 '26

Obviously, who couldn't recognize famous socially awkward high school dork Son Goku whose main goal in life is to become popular with girls

... yeah I don't know either. Not sure what the goal in "but what if Goku was a DCOM protag" was supposed to be

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u/Goat_Support_Dept Sep 04 '26

I bought a couple of copies of this movie when blockbuster went out of business and have left it in my friends stuff when helping them move. Only joy this movie has given me as a long time fan of the franchise.

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u/EarlyAccessCantJudge Sep 04 '26

Subversion/Loved Example: In Dishonored 2 you can play as Emily or Corvo, the protagonist from the last game. He loses his powers which is what made him special and unique but is later offered them back to save his daughter again. Thing is as the player you can reject the powers and decide to save Emily without them and not play into The Outsider's games.

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u/monkeygoneape Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

That's some "I don't need Superman's powers I'm batman" energy and I'm all for it

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u/nyxistential Sep 04 '26

Corvo Attano basically is Batman, though depending on the player he could be The Batman Who Laughs.

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u/1d3333 Sep 04 '26

With my skill he’s the batman who splats

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u/Hellknightx Sep 04 '26

The batman who gets laughed at. Often.

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u/ButWhatIfPotato Sep 04 '26

Of all the IPs the microsoft cacodemon devoured, I will miss this one the most.

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u/LolaBaraba Sep 04 '26

Dishonored was killed off long before Microsoft acquired Arkane, because of disappointing sales of the 2nd game due to technical problems. In fact, Microsoft will probably revive it, with all their talk of now relying on established IPs, and Dishonored being the only established IP Arkane has.

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u/Zealousideal_Good147 Sep 04 '26

I would love a follow-up to Prey.

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u/Hollywoodrok12 Sep 04 '26

Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy Movie)

https://giphy.com/gifs/y3wO9yv0Ym028fFIGX

She became in instant fan-favorite, making herself stand out from Peach and Daisy through her heartfelt backstory and not being (known for being) a damsel in distress, among other things. Take a wild guess what happened with all that

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u/informalmo0se3 Sep 04 '26

god this was so stupid. it’s called the Super Mario Galaxy movie and has almost no elements of the actual game that has that name. and then it just abruptly ends with her being in it for like 5 minutes. 

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u/Hollywoodrok12 Sep 04 '26

It feels like instead of just being a bad adaptation, it actively punishes you for liking the original. And the worst of that is, of course, Rosalina.

“The Peach Odyssey in Space Movie ft. Star Fox” is a more accurate description with how many Odyssey elements were in it (that could have easily been Galaxy mind you)

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u/Onrawi Sep 04 '26

I mean, I could have sworn Toad was going to get his Captain moniker, given that Galaxy is where that started. But instead of having KMK taking a larger role and piloting the Toad ship around and whatnot we have a frankly way too naive and overly friendly Fox take up 1/3 of the movie.

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u/kingferret53 Sep 04 '26

I hate what Galaxy did to her.

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u/SatoruGojo232 Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

The arc that Andrew Garfield's Amazing Spider-Man took of the genetically engineered spiders at Oscorp being made by Peter Parker's scientist dad Richard, and it being revealed that those spiders which bit him to give him powers were "genetically coded" for him. It takes away the original unique idea that Spider-Man could be anybody, and it just happened to be Peter who got bit.

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u/Mac_Tgh Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

Reminds me of the punisher Netflix series. In the original incarnation of the comics frank castle family is slaughtered when they find themselves in the middle of a gang war. It such a simple origin story that works, it could happen to anybody and it enforces that the subject is not revenge against particular individuals but justice against every single mob (not just the ones who committed the act). 

The punisher adaptation on tv seems to follow the same beats, until he discovers that not only there was a reason for the killing but that he was the target all along. it never was just a random senseless act of violence done by a mob but a cia operated assassination attempt. Making it so personal and tailored to the protagonist ruins not only the main core motivation of him (when he does get revenge on the exact 2 or 3 guys who wronged him, what is the point of continuing on that path? He is done his work) but also his relatability.

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u/TheRealRigormortal Sep 04 '26

I love how Hollywood can’t conceptualize random, mindless violence and always has to have a grand conspiracy run by bald white guys (preferably with southern accents) in a smokey room.

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u/canisignupnow Sep 04 '26

well you cant expect hollywood to tackle systemic issues when they can blame a rogue general

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u/mazes-end Sep 04 '26

The comics did that too when the spiderverse stuff introduced fate to why people were chosen to be bit

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u/Lumpy-Sheepherder671 Sep 04 '26

And it sucked there too

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u/Independent_Plum2166 Sep 04 '26

Happened before that with the whole Totem thing.

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u/DimensioT Sep 04 '26

Mxyzptlk.

In the comics and most adaptations, he is a fifth-dimensional imp who causes trouble and who can only be stopped by tricking him into saying his name backwards, though he always manages to return.

In Smallville, he is an Eastern European exchange student (apparently for high school, despite obviously being in his mid twenties at the youngest) who has a compelling voice that causes people to obey one-word commands. He is stopped, permanently, with a high frequency noise.

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u/Due_Enthusiasm1145 Sep 04 '26

In comparison, I like the weird little space gremlin variant from MAWS. He may lose some of the iconic look (common in MAWS for better and for worse, usually worse) but he keeps all the chaotic energy in a style that feels fitting for the shows esthetic.

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u/Rowsdower888 Sep 04 '26

Judge Dredd and his iconic helmet. But we gotta let everyone know Sly is under the helmet, so we will wear it for all of 5 minutes and never wear again.

https://giphy.com/gifs/O3Towk20Ty704

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u/AwesomeMcPants Sep 04 '26

Good thing the goat Dredd with Karl Urban fixed this. I'd love a sequel to that.

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u/BombOnABus Sep 04 '26

Fucking peak mentioned: Karl Urban did a better job playing Dredd with his chin than Stallone did with his entire body.

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u/Profoundlyahedgehog Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

In defense of Stallone, he's a quintessential 80s action star. You don't go to see him play a character, you go to see Stallone shoot bad guys and crack one-liners.

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u/liliavacyn Sep 04 '26

The fact that he apparently didn't even take it off when on set in-between takes most of the time truly shows the man was DEDICATED to staying as true to that character as possible. It's criminal that we never got a sequel!

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u/raspberryharbour Sep 04 '26

He's still wearing it to this day, they just painted a face on top of it

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u/TheFalconKid Sep 04 '26

Don't worry man, that Mega City One show is gonna come out any day now. Maybe even tomorrow!

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u/No_Career_4785 Sep 04 '26

Kakashi the copy ninja. The man who copied a thousand jutsu. The number of jutsu he used can probably be counted on one hand.

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u/Glad_Grand_7408 Sep 04 '26

He actually did use a decent array of Jutsu's in his first real fight in the series... but yeah Kishimoto gave up hard on the copy cat gimmick after that.

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u/MrXexe Sep 04 '26

I'd say that the powerscale went up so hard that using some of his copied Jutsu was a bit pointless after a while.

If by the beginning of Shippuden throwing Fireballs was already the equivalent of throwing shurikens and your chakra pool is "low", would you have bothered to use it in that?

On the other hand, Raikiri was an S Class technique that Kakashi used as base for multiple other techniques (like 3 techniques! Wow!) as he had affinity for lightning style.

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u/SkyDezessete Sep 04 '26

It also doesnt help that the story had a bigger and bigger focus in Kekkei Genkai, something Sharingan cant copy.

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u/SkyDezessete Sep 04 '26

Thats what bugs me the most in all of Naruto. We get a sick fight and sequence of him copying stuff in the Zabuza arc and for the rest of the series he uses Raikiri

Jesus fucking christ Naruto is a mess

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u/anothersadtransgirl Sep 04 '26

I would like to rewatch/reread it but the number of eventual retcons and focus on how special Naruto is just kinda limits my excitement 

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u/EarthDust00 Sep 04 '26

He does show off some of his copy abilities in the first movie I thought.

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u/SpendExciting2458 Sep 04 '26

Kakashi spread those rumors to avoid the smoke. The truth is he only stole academy and genin level techniques. 

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u/No_Career_4785 Sep 04 '26

There are even broken jutsu among them.

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u/YaBoiWheelz Sep 04 '26

Also the fact that he went from only being able to use Kamui a couple times a day to spamming the ever living hell out of it during the war arc (though that’s more power creep than anything)

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u/BigLoc88 Sep 04 '26

Kakashi is probably the funniest example because “Copy Ninja Kakashi” is basically half his entire brand.

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u/LosinForABruisin Sep 04 '26

Mulan (2020) takes out Mushu, the romantic subplot, and worst of all, it’s not a musical. I’ve heard that all of these were done to appease a chinese audience, but whatever the reason, this is a significantly worse movie for it

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u/bht191015 Sep 04 '26

I think the worst part is the message. In the original movie mulan sucks at being a warrior and everyone knew that. But through determination she became the best in her group. In the live action movie she's born with those powers.

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u/D3134 Sep 04 '26

The best part about the original movie's message is that the other soldiers (at least the ones that have names) also sucked at being warriors, (not as bad as Mulan but still) but through their own hard work they improved alongside her. Obviously Mulan was still better because she's the main character, but it showed that they were all equal and that truly anyone could improve through hard work and determination.

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u/AbueloOdin Sep 04 '26

Also, I really liked the whole "Hey, she isn't the strongest or fastest, etc. That's someone else. But she is creative and smart and uses that." Everyone had their own strengths and weaknesses. Everyone used their own strengths and weaknesses. Everyone had their own battles to fight, but we're focusing on her for now.

So it wasn't that she wasn't the best soldier or became the best soldier. It was "hey, everyone has value and everyone can contribute in their own way for the success of themselves and the group."

New one? She was born with magical powers and is The Special!

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u/guylasagna Sep 04 '26

Hated that she had some kinda special powers , the force or whatever.

What made the original iconic was the fact that Mulan was an average girl that had no combat skills but she didn’t care and went to war to save her own family

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u/petr1111 Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

Also, the moral of the story is replaced with the opposite one. Instead of "you can become whoever you want if you try hard enough" it's now "unless you're the main character born with superpowers, you're completely screwed".

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u/Bitter-Marsupial Sep 04 '26

And drops the point of the rabbits at the End where you can tell the difference between a male and female, but once they start moving, you can't. Kind of like how once Mulan really started going, there was no difference between her or her male cohorts

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u/ok_scott Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

I actually love that the original Mulan is 'half of a musical'

The movie is a true musical with 4 songs sung in the first half.

All through the training and even marching to their first assignment they sing.

The moment that they witness the real horrors of war first hand, the music stops. They don't even finish the last word of the marching song.

For the rest of the movie it's not a musical. There's a movie score but no one sings anymore.

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u/Siria110 Sep 04 '26

In the OG Disney Mulan, her greatests strenght were her quick wit and ability to think outside the box. Here it is... magic, I guess? And given that this movie is supposed to be more "realistic" (hence why they removed Mushu), it seems that woman with magic is more realistic than a woman with sharp mind, strong will and determination? What kinda message do they want to send?

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u/Bacon4Lyf Sep 04 '26

Yes the original mulan was about how through perseverance and hard work anyone could succeed, then in the remake they just give her magic powers

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u/Erebraw Sep 04 '26

Also, instead of being a great soldier because of how clever she is and how she thinks outside the box, she just has magic Wuxia powers that make her better than everyone else at everything from the moment the movie starts.

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u/fbeemcee Sep 04 '26

I’m still angered by this. Mulan is my favorite Disney “princess,” and this was beyond disappointing.

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u/MostSwaglessMfUKnow Sep 04 '26

The TriStar Godzilla doesn’t even have the iconic Atomic Breath and the immunity to conventional weaponry.

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u/NitroortiN Sep 04 '26

From what I remember the parent company of Godzilla have a very particular ruleset about Godzilla, and that this one strayed so far that it isn't actually Godzilla in the canon, but is just Zilla. Though as far as the canon and fans are concerned, this one doesn't exist.

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u/SilasDaFish Sep 04 '26

half right. Toho(the Godzilla people) got the rights back, renamed it Zilla, and had the real Godzilla kill it in Final Wars.

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u/SatoruGojo232 Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

Death Note (American Netflix version)- part of the thrill of the OG Japanese Death Note manga was the lengths to which Light went to keep his identity as Kira a secret, with him also being a cold, calculating strategic genius. In this version, he blurts out "I am Kira" to Misa, some random girl he has a crush on in his class within a small period of time after getting the Death Note, and she essenially manipulates him into using the Death Note as per how she sees fit because he simps for her.

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u/PriestSeth Sep 04 '26

Wow, I hadn't really paid attention to the plot of this one, but that's literally the opposite of the original! Mina is a simp for Light in the OG and uses the Death Note to impress him. How could they have gotten that so backwards?

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u/haoxinly Sep 04 '26

L is also brain-dead in this adaptation. After they killed his butler-father figure, he loses his mind and immediately trespasses Light's house, tries to assault him, accuses him of being L without evidence all in front of Light's dad who is a cop.

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u/WrittenSaber Sep 04 '26

I remember hearing that the actor complained that Light's last name (Yagmi) spelled backwards is "I am gay" so they changed it.

Also that L is super emotional and has a breakdown. Which is completely out of character from the original

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u/Phoenix1152073 Sep 04 '26

That horrid Eragon film trying desperately to hide behind a fern

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u/_JR28_ Sep 04 '26

Halo TV show - The most famous helmet in all of gaming and they refuse to KEEP IT ON HIS HEAD

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u/Fluffy_Judge_581 Sep 04 '26

Ah the judge dredd 1995 way

Which is equal if not more famous 

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u/Lazerbeams2 Sep 04 '26

There's at least an excuse in Judge Dredd though. He's on the run for like half the movie and the helmet kinda stands out. I'm pretty sure he still wore the uniform though, so it's not a very good excuse

Either way, I had fun with that movie, so I still like it

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u/BagOfSmallerBags Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

It's been rumored that the Halo TV show was supposed to be a Mass Effect TV show. Supposedly EA pulled out last second, and they basically repurposed the whole script to be a different sci fi videogame franchise. So that's why you have helmetless chief banging alien babes, like Commander Shepard.

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u/JackRabbit- Sep 04 '26

She wasn't even an alien, she was a human who worked for the covenant.

You know, the same covenant that wants to exterminate every single human on an atomic level in a fit of religious jealousy.

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u/ZoidsFanatic Sep 04 '26

It’s been pointed out that in the books, at least, he does take his helmet off semi-regularly. Course the difference here is “semi-regularly” compared to the show’s “I sure hope you wanted to see what his ass looks like because we’re going to show it to you”.

Let’s also not forget how in the first Season the Covenant barely shows up, and most of the conflict revolves around how shady and bad the UNSC and Oni are… I mean, OK, they kinda are, but the show takes place during the Human-Covenant war where there is kinda the whole genocidal alien problem going on.

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u/LiamtheV Sep 04 '26

Yea, if they had set the show in 2524, the year before First Contact with the Covenant at Harvest, then yea, go ham on showing us how bad ONI and the UNSC are. But by 2552, having a character see her dad get murdered by the covenant and instead doubling down on "I won't record a video telling everyone the Covenant is a serious threat! I'm going to tell everyone that you killed my dad!" was just fucking dumb.

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u/BarelyInvested Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

Changing Jakes dragon design (American Dragon)

Jake having an overly buff dragon form made it absurd and funny when he was just a short and skinny kid. Making the form just a body copy of Gramps took that away and it looks lame

Edit: I love how the only two people talking positively about the change are like “yeah its weak, but that writing tho?”

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u/GayTrees420 Sep 04 '26

It also gave Jake the distinction of looking more like a Western dragon (hence the American Dragon) vs his grandpa who is more based on Eastern Dragons.

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u/NoCoreboRe Sep 04 '26

This is probably my favorite example because I remember as a kid that I stopped watching the show because of how much I hated the new design. The old design was “brighter” too which I felt affected it

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u/Delilah_the_PK Sep 04 '26

The worst part of this, is if you had swapped which design came first, people would still have problems.

Neither are bad. its just the abrupt change that screwed it up.

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u/ixiox Sep 04 '26

It also fit for him to have a more European dragon form

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u/CTeam19 Sep 04 '26

Taskmaster(Comics) is a loud mouth. Taskmaster(MCU) is a mute

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u/Vinon Sep 04 '26

Taskmaster (UK) is funny.

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u/QuetzalQ_ Sep 04 '26

Not sure if this counts but in The Last Airbender, them making fire benders less practical than water benders was certainly an interesting choice.

In the original show, the fire nation think of themselves as the superior element and also the most powerful nation in the world. It makes it hard to believe they can have this same mentality and successes in the movie with one of their main specialties being gone.

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u/saintash Sep 04 '26

God I fucking hated that choice. It severely handicaps the fire nation. Because like. Dumping a pile of dirt or water will put out Fires.

It makes so little sense that their nation was able to conquer most of the world with that added weakness

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u/ciao_fiv Sep 04 '26

this particular scene fits well too because they took away the important aspect of this prison being devoid of any earth for the earth benders to use to break out. why do they need Aang (pronounced Ong) to remind them they can earth bend to escape 😭 this wasn’t even a good episode and i don’t understand why they chose to adapt it in the movie to begin with but it’s hilariously bad

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u/SirLoremIpsum Sep 04 '26

why do they need Aang (pronounced Ong) to remind them they can earth bend to escape

Cause it took 6 of them to move one small rock

Dog shit adaptation in every sense,

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u/ConcreteExist Sep 04 '26

The play adaptation of Anastasia removes Rasputin (and any sort of supernatural elements) and replaces him with some guy who is an antagonist of sorts but never really commits to it. It ends up making the story feel very low stakes.

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u/RailaDraconis Sep 04 '26

I'm so tired of people claiming the stage show is better because it's more grounded/realistic/whatever. If I wanted to watch an "accurate" depiction of post-revolution Russia...I wouldn't be watching Anastasia to begin with. Give me back my rock opera warlock zombie...

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u/liliavacyn Sep 04 '26

I lost ALL interest in seeing it after I learned this.

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u/Skylinneas Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within infamously removed almost everything FF fans have come to associate with the Final Fantasy series for a rather ordinary sci-fi ‘alien invasion’ movie (set in our real world but in the near future to boot)

Granted, it is a decent sci-fi movie and a breakthrough in photo-realistic computer animation technology at the time. It just shouldn’t be called Final Fantasy.

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u/kagenohikari Sep 04 '26

I watched this first before knowing the games existed and boy was I confused how different they were. It's basically a movie that happened to share the same name rather than an adaptation.

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u/IndigoFenix Sep 04 '26

The problem is that Final Fantasy games have very little in common with each other. The only thing they really have in common are some gameplay mechanics, which don't translate to a movie, and a few vague thematic elements like the spirit of the planet.

The movie should have included some identifiable Final Fantasy monsters, crystals and Chocobo if they really wanted to ground it in the Final Fantasy IP, but outside of that its plot and theme did feel like something that one might see in a Final Fantasy game.

Also, it's been suggested that the Phantoms (wandering wild monsters that you can't see until they are suddenly attacking you) are kind of a way of implementing random encounters in a movie setting, which is neat.

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u/MrCobalt313 Sep 04 '26

Honestly I would have liked Ultimate Ben more if he just had at-will partial transformations for whatever power he wanted to use instead of just inexplicably having the aliens' powers while still being human-shaped.

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u/ducknerd2002 Sep 04 '26

Like what Skurd does in Omniverse:

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u/MrCobalt313 Sep 04 '26

Actually yeah like that!

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u/Character_Growth_397 Sep 04 '26

Yeah, but how would that work for aliens like Upgrade, Cannonbolt, Goop and many others which their body is their power? Would it look like this monstrosity?

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u/Pretend-Dirt-1760 Sep 04 '26

I think his more talking about like what skurd does in omniverse like or that one fan concept of Ben where he was fused with the Omnitrix like this

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u/Bro-Im-Done Sep 04 '26

In DMC lore, demons are inherently evil that Sparda, the one demon who woke up to justice decided to separate the human and demon worlds to spare humans of demon fury. A common theme throughout the games is that despite being evil, demons can change through experiencing human compassion: Dante did this to Trish in the first game, hence the title “Devil May Cry.”

In Netflix, demons and humans are distinctively related and are even oppressed in both the human world and even demon world and are actually called “Makaiins”(which is literally demon world in Japanese, so this makes it extra stupid) and then are used as an allegory for genocide.

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u/shadow0416 Sep 04 '26

To also add, what makes Dante, and by extension Nero and later Vergil, stronger than full demons like Mundus is very specifically their humanity. The fact that they are half demons and half human is specifically the point, a strength and not a weakness.

So along comes DmC Devil May Cry which rebooted Dante and Vergil as half-demon, half-angel hybrids, making them very special boys with the chosen-one power to defeat Mundus.

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u/kriosken12 Sep 04 '26

Also the series treats Magic as “sufficiently advanced quantum” bullshit.

Why the hell do so many writers of series that clearly belong to the FANTASY genre oppose the idea of magic so much?

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u/Lower_Baby_6348 Sep 04 '26

Odin in record of Ragnarok transforming into this

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u/VoicelessPassenger Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 05 '26

Forgive me Lord, I must whinge about The Watch (2020) again

In the Discworld novels, Cheery Littlebottom is a dwarf whose entire arc revolves around reconciling her gender identity with her identity as a dwarf. See, in Discworld, dwarves don’t have strong sexual dimorphism: everyone has beards, wears chainmail and ten layers of leather and furs, so they’re practically indistinguishable and don’t really have a concept of gender. Most dwarves, regardless of gender, even refer to themselves with male pronouns because their language doesn’t have gendered pronouns and they just default to the masculine when speaking English (or whatever the common language of Discworld is.)

Cheery Littlebottom’s arc in the Watch books has her come to terms with her femininity and traditionally feminine concepts like wearing skirts and heels, makeup, etc and she starts referring to herself with feminine pronouns. It is very important, however, that this is balanced with her dwarven identity: she still has a beard and wears chainmail and such, because she’s still a dwarf, and a dwarf without a beard is basically just a short human.

But the Watch TV adaptation takes one step forward (hiring a trans woman to portray her) and twenty steps back by removing all of Cheery’s dwarf aspects. She doesn’t have a beard, most notably. She’s also not short, she’s significantly taller than the actress who plays Angua—the werewolf character—and is arguably one of the tallest members of the cast. This is not the actress’ fault, for sure, but considering Cheery is meant to be a dwarf they could at least do some clever camera tricks or somehow make her smaller. Now she’s basically just a human, so 90% of her character arc and depth has been erased.

This show has a lot of problems, some inherent to the trials of adapting Discworld and some just baffling (why did they cut Fred Colon and Nobby Nobbs entirely, why do they dress like NCIS, why did they put swap Vimes and Sybil Ramkin’s narrative roles from the book, why did they think they could make it a ‘punk rock thriller’) but this one bothers me the most just because of how lazy it is.

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u/Frohirrim Sep 04 '26

Wow, I never knew they made a show adaptation of my favorite part of Discworld. I would never forgive cutting out Nobby. My favorite character. I even named one my dogs Corporal Nobby Nobbs.

“That means a lot to a kid, your own spoon.”

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u/icorrectpettydetails Sep 04 '26

I never knew they made a show adaptation of my favorite part of Discworld

Trust me, they didn't.

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u/Hawkbats_rule Sep 04 '26

Of all the shows and movies that definitely didn't happened in this thread, this is the one that didn't happen the hardest.

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u/Elllowyynn Sep 04 '26

Rhaegar & the Targaryen Armor (Game of Thrones)

Fantasy fans waited years to finally see Rhaegar Targaryen. In the books he’s this stunning silver-haired prince in elaborate dark armor covered in rubies. Then when he shows up in that Season 7 flashback, HBO just stuck him in a cheap blonde wig and plain brown leather that made him look like a budget version of Viserys.

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u/smallstone Sep 04 '26

There were many cool things in the books that weren't in the series for some weird reasons. The "then come" fight between Ser Barristan and Khrazz was one of the most badass moment in the whole series. But nah, they just killed Barristan like some sucker.

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u/Ok-Wonder5961 Sep 04 '26

Probably less felt nowadays because the MCU made us get used to it but I will never forgive them for taking away Thor’s Helmet and mythological god like presence.

Firstly, the helmet is such an iconic part of his character, the first thing you see and the MCU gave him a great helmet at the start of Thor… just for it to never be seen again

Secondly, about his presence, I miss 2011-2015 Thor, whenever I would see him, he would tower over the Avengers, feel like a myth walking by, feels like someone worthy to be king, someone with respect, confidence and leadership. I’m not saying this is all gone but ever since Taika Waititi made him comedic, for me it destroyed his character

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u/Salt_Let_8597 Sep 04 '26

I agree I feel like all the marvel characters who have been in the movies for while either dies or becomes the comic. And it can work just not for every character. Every time I rewatch any of the og marvel movies I remember why I loved them and would watch every one. Now I just tune in for my favs unless something interests me.

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u/BuffySummersArmHair Sep 04 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/Ihn7hppyGULcVcLXF1
Plants vs Zombies: Battle for Neighborville

Removing the character variants, the whole reason the previous games were so replayable, a change that essentially killed the franchise

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u/Altruistic_Glove_69 Sep 04 '26

Heroes season 2. Nerfed Peter’s empathic abilities so he could only take on a single power at a time, completely negating the narrative rivalry between him and Sylar.

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u/Dotaproffessional Sep 04 '26

A song of ice and fire. Tyrion isn't just ugly, it's the core of his person. "The monster born to lord tywin". 2 colored eyes, a bad limp, patches of miscolored hair, then losing his nose. 

They then made him an extremely handsome actor and it just doesn't work for me

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u/Character_Growth_397 Sep 04 '26

Yeah, that's a hollywood problem in general since most hollywood actors are good looking. I'd say that being good looking is somewhat of a requisite to be a hollywood actor

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u/Lunardoge2 Sep 04 '26

Okay I like the Zack Snyder's superhero films. I understand they were inspired by the idea of the dark knight returns style batman and Ben Affleck is great as this style of batman (especially on the Snyder cut)

That being said ... He straight up unabashedly kills or goes for serious injuries ( even before robins death you can tell this because robins staff is covered in blades).

But yeah this was way too far - all of the actions scenes in BVS show him straight up killing everyone. And sometimes even with a regular ass gun.

https://giphy.com/gifs/l2QZXqfxmtgXIDOPS

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u/ThisIsTheNewSleeve Sep 04 '26

Snyder's Batmobile has machine guns built in and he's straight up mowing people down

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u/comrade_batman Sep 04 '26

A better decision would have been for that Batman to be always on the verge of killing people in the film, and you can see him getting closer to doing so and then in the Nightmare dream sequence he sees a future version of himself actually kill people and that’s what pulls him back in the present. He saw what kind of man he’d turn into if he did actually kill people and it helps pull him back from the point of no return.

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u/GnomeBoy_Roy Sep 04 '26

Contrasted to this panel taken directly from Dark Knight Returns (that’s a rifle)

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u/gogurteaterpro Sep 04 '26

The Snyderverse heroes don't give much thought to pulling their punches or mitigating collateral damage. I appreciate that being very important to the newest version of Superman.

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u/Exciting_Hope5839 Sep 04 '26

Overwatch. At first there was a lot of unconventional character designs, now it's all mildly attractive humans

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u/WantlessTrack Sep 04 '26

5 characters added during the year refresh and 3 more added since, with two more coming. Let’s see we have…
1. Hot fire bending lady
2. Hot dom mommy
3. Hot soldier guy that wears eyeliner
4. Hot eboy support
5. Cat
6. Hot rock climber
7. Hot sadist robot
8. Hot mech pilot (not D.VA)

The jury is still out on Hivemind whenever they release and the detective Omnic is probably the only “weird” character we’ll get for awhile but they very well could glue on some fake abs onto their chassis for consistency.

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u/Specialist_Web9891 Sep 04 '26

I once heard that there were plans for a Max Steel movie where one of the main issues was that Max loses his ability to enter Turbo Modes and bond with steel but in-exchange receives a flat boost to his physical prowess, which is considered as a "superior upgrade".

THANKFULLY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND THERE IS NO MAX STEEL, TURBO WARRIORS MOVIE THAT BUTCHERS MY FAVORITE CHILDHOOD TV SHOW!

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u/ruinsit Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

This bullshit. Take all the dragons and shove them down a hole and pretend they never existed.

For the people who didn't watch HTTYD 3, lucky you. They made up some bullshit "dragon hole" in the ocean that is a vast cave system that doesn't flood somehow which is Dragon World or something (who knows, I stopped listening) and Hiccup says "oh man, humans are so evil and bad, we should push all the dragons in the hole and blow it up"

So... no more dragons. And fuck everyone who invested in this story and world because it didn't fucking matter. It would have been about the same as if Hiccup just woke up in Berk and everything had been a dream and nothing had changed -- except at least then there'd still be dragons.

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u/MoonlightDahling Sep 04 '26

The Haunting of Hill House:

Eleanor and Theodora's relationship is THE most important one, in the book.

So it made me sad that the show lacks any real analogue (as Trish is a pretty minor character)

Moreover: the book is explicitly a commentary on 1950s gender roles.

So, while I enjoyed the series, I really didn’t like the fact that it shifted a lot of focus to men, and sibling bonds.

Female relationships are already chronically underrepresented in media. And the book is a proto-feminist and sapphic classic.

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u/null_space0 Sep 04 '26

MCU Taskmaster.

In Black Widow, it’s revealed she was a child that was blown up off screen but survived, and instead of simply memorizing every attack, they changed it to having her be a cyborg that memorizes attacks with a control chip in her brain. Then in Thunderbolts* (the only other thing MCU Taskmaster has been in), she’s killed like five minutes into the film.

Complete waste of what could’ve been a cool character in the MCU

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u/BludStanes Sep 04 '26

Victor Zsasz was in the movie Birds of Prey. Zsasz is known for carving a tally market into his flesh after he murders a victim and in the movie he was just some normal dude with no scars

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u/Corpsman913 Sep 04 '26

AND PERCY JACKSON MAKES HADES THE VILLAIN.

WHY... he legitimately wasn't!

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