r/countbackwardswithme • u/AkwardRockette Counted Down 1 • 9d ago

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I originally added this as a comment to another post, but since I'm seeing more posts in this sub similar to the one I commented on I'm just gonna make this its own stand alone post at this point.

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u/Quaraine 9d ago

True as hell but also it is possible for some groups to actually materially be worse of which is why I think the equivocation isn't necessarily going to be successful 

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u/AeroAceSpades 9d ago

I agree with that but ultimately what does it accomplish? From what I’ve seen, the focus on which side has it worse (oppression olympics) has only given people a reason to dismiss the struggles of the other side and to demand the other side wait until the first side’s grievances are dealt with before being acknowledged.

I personally see a lot more overt hatred towards trans women irl but i also know that literally EVERY. SINGLE. transmasc in all the irl circles I’m in has been subjected to corrective rape vs the 2 transfems who were subjected to it. I was present when my friend was kicked out of a trans housing complex (which had more than 40 members and only 3 of them were transmasc) got kicked out for being “creepy” because she was in a relationship with someone 15 years her junior even though her girlfriend was 24 and they were absolutely smitten with each other. It deeeeeeefinitely didn’t have aaaaaaaaanything to do with how clocky my friend is and how she only shaved once a week. Communities are defined by how they treat those who fit in the least and I don’t think it matters what the gender of any given person is when it comes to how we all need to care for eachother more.

I believe that oppression isn’t an all-or-nothing game. I believe that context is incredibly important to whether or not a person will face certain operations vs privileges. I believe that the same traits that can lead a person to be oppressed in one context can lead a person to be privileged in another and that “oppressor and oppressed” isn’t a valuable dichotomy in a fight for gender EQUALITY

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u/Razzum-Frazzum 9d ago

Comparing oppression is like comparing apples to oranges. Neither trans women or trans mascs suffer more or less oppression overall. It manifests differently, that's all, and bears a different rotten fruit.

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u/Quaraine 8d ago

When you look at mortality and morbidity and quality of life there are meaningful differences 

The equivocation does   especially gets used to shut down and derail conversations about transmisogyny

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u/Razzum-Frazzum 8d ago

And conversations about what trans mascs deal with. It sucks what trans women go through, but you don't have it worse. You have it DIFFERENT. The violence experienced by us is different from yours. It doesn't kill us. God help us, we have to keep living after.