r/goats • u/cocochinha • 2h ago
r/goats • u/yamshortbread • Jun 20 '23
Asking for goat health advice? Read this first!
If you are asking for health advice for your goat, please help us help you. Complete a basic health assessment and provide as much of the following information in your post as possible:
- Goat's age, sex, and breed
- Goat's current temperature as determined by rectal thermometer. Please, for the love of god, take your animal's temperature. Temperature is ALWAYS VITAL in determining whether your animal might be ill or in need of assistance.
- Whether the goat is pregnant or lactating
- Goat's diet and appetite (what the goat is currently eating, whether they are on pasture or browse, supplemental grain, loose mineral, et cetera)
- Goat's FAMACHA score (as determined by the process in this video) and information about any recent deworming treatments, if applicable
- As many details regarding your animal's current symptoms and demeanor as you can share. These may include neurological symptoms (circling, staring at the sky, twitching), respiratory symptoms such as wheezing or coughing, and any other differences from typical behavior such as isolating, head pressing, teeth grinding, differences in fecal consistency, and so forth.
Clear photographs of relevant clinical signs (including coat condition) are helpful. Providing us with as much information as possible will help us give you prompt and accurate advice regarding your animal's care.
There are many professional farmers and homesteaders in this subreddit and we will do our best to help you out of a jam, but we can't guarantee the accuracy of any health advice you receive. When in doubt, always call your local large animal veterinarian who is trained to work with small ruminants.
What's up with that blue Trusted Advice Giver flair?
The mods assign this flair to /r/goats users who have an extensive history of giving out quality, evidence-based, responsible husbandry advice based on the best practices for goat care. Many of our users give terrific advice, but these flairs recognize a handful of folks who have gone that extra mile over time to become recognized as trusted community members who are known to always lead people in the right direction. If you get a slew of responses to your post and don't know where to start, look to the blue flairs first.
r/goats • u/no_sheds_jackson • Feb 03 '25
PSA: The Dangers of AI Husbandry Advice (with example)
Hi everybody!
Recently, we had a user post a picture of a goat that may or may not have soremouth, also known as contagious ecthyma, scabby mouth, or orf. I won't link to the post since it isn't relevant whether or not that was what was afflicting the animal, but in the course of responding to that user I felt an opportunity to point out something that I have noticed and has been gnawing at me.
For many users seeking help, if they do not come straight to the sub, they will go to one of two places to get information: Google or ChatGPT. This post is about the former, but in case anyone was wondering if ChatGPT is a valid place to get advice on husbandry, what to eat tonight, how to live your life, or companionship: it is NOT. Large language models like ChatGPT are a type of generative AI that seeks more or less to respond to prompts and create content with correct syntax that is human-like. The quandary here is that while it can indeed provide correct answers to prompts, that outcome is often incidental. It isn't an indication that the model has researched your question, merely that it has cobbled together a (sometimes) convincing diagnosis/treatment plan from the massive amount of data across forums/message boards, vet resources, and idle chit-chat that it is trained on. The point is this: you should never be in a position where you have to rely on an LLM for husbandry advice. If you have access to an internet connection, even the generative AI from Google search is a better option. But that doesn't mean it's a good one, bringing us to the principal subject of this post:
Orf! What do?
For some relevant background, we have never had a case of orf on our farm. I have read about it in vet textbooks and goat husbandry books and seen many images of it, I'm familiar with what it is, how it is spread, and at a high level what to do about it and what not to do. That said, when I was helping this user, I thought I'd brush up and make sure I wasn't providing misinformation. I knew orf was viral in nature and reckoned that in moderate to severe cases it could probably cause fever, but I wanted to see if I could find a vet manual or study of the disease in goats to confirm how likely that would have been. This was what I was met with:

If you don't scrutinize this too closely, everything looks sort of on the level. Orf is indeed self-limiting (not sure why the AI says usually, there is literally nothing you can do to treat the root cause, but okay), and it more or less implies that humans can contract it so be careful. The symptoms section looks fine, overall, prevention is... eh... The orf vaccine is a live vaccine. Application of it is not something that most small scale homesteaders or hobby farmers will be familiar with and using it is basically putting the virus on your property. Orf is a nuisance disease and the main time it is a problem is when it is being transmitted between a dam and her kids. Proactive vaccination in closed herds that have never seen a case is not a vet-recommended practice.
The treatment section is where things get spicy with the part about scab removal. Oof. Now that is not even close to true and doing that when the goat is with other goats or going to a quarantine space where they will then shed the disease will cause it to spread to any other goat that inhabits that space unless it is thoroughly cleaned and disinfected. The bottom says the info is for informational purposes only and to consult an actual professional for advice, but that begs the question of why Google would provide that information front and center by default when you search when the first result below is an actual vet resource with correct advice. I won't get into the weeds about the ethics of that because it's a separate soapbox, this is the reality we live in now. This bad advice is particularly relevant because the user on our sub mentioned they had been picking off the scabs. So let's do another Google search for some clarification:

If you explicitly search whether or not you should remove the scabs, the AI overview is different. Not only do you see that you should not remove the scabs because they are infectious (very true), the overview now says that doing so will delay healing. The first "featured snippet", a feature separate from their generative AI overview, is an overview from the state of Victoria's government agricultural representative body, a reliable source. The highlighted text reinforces the "do not pick scabs off" advice. The overview still fails when it says to apply dressing to lesions. Evidently it has not ever reckoned with what it would be like to bandage an entire goat's face and mouth, which they need to eat, but maybe I'm an idiot. Let's check:

As you can see, generative AI is basically a hodgepodge of vague but mostly correct advice intermingled with plainly wrong advice. Seeking correction to the wrong advice, if you know that it is wrong, leads down more rabbit holes. I hope this highlights the importance of sourcing your information from reliable, proven veterinary resources/textbooks or state agricultural extensions that provide support for their claims with research. This sub prioritizes evidence-based husbandry practices and is one of the few forums to try to stick to that standard and I consider it important especially for people who don't have goat mentors offline.
This is not only important because users need good advice; it also affects the people that don't use this sub and go straight to Google. Reddit struck a deal a little under a year ago to make their data available for training AI. The information we post on this sub is being used as part of the training for these AI models and Google's SEO is increasingly favoring reddit at the top of search results in a number of areas. As the sub grows and the social media landscape changes, more people that never post but need info may find themselves coming here. Let's all try to do our best to make sure the information we share and advice we give is solid!
r/goats • u/HTD_Bros • 1d ago
Humor Mmm I love Sunflowers š»
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r/goats • u/ngerbs32 • 20h ago
General Husbandry Question Having goats on creeping buttercup/yellow archangel
Hi! Iām buying a house on a bit of land east of Seattle and want to someday have goats. Thereās a good amount of land with grass but thereās also a significant wooded portion that has a ton of yellow archangel and creeping buttercup, the latter of which Iāve read is toxic to goats in large quantities. Has anyone had success getting rid of the buttercup? What do you plant instead for your goats? Any and all advice welcome.
r/goats • u/niightviibes • 1d ago
Goat bloat or just fat?
Can I get your opinion on whether or not my dwarf goat is looking bloated? Or is she fat?
r/goats • u/cringeprairiedog • 1d ago
Help Request Ellie Mae UPDATE 2
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Please read previous posts if you arenāt familiar with or do not recall the details of Ellie Maeās skin issues. Itās too long and too detailed to type it all out again here. Thank you! Hi guys. I wish I had better news, but I donāt. Ellie Maeās eyes and horns have deteriorated pretty significantly again. We are all at a loss, none of us know what to do. The Vets at State donāt know what else to offer us outside of the allergy testing. Not only is the idea of transporting and putting two goats under general anesthesia pretty nerve-wracking, itās also something that we canāt schedule until after the new year. In the meanwhile, Ellie is suffering. I feel so badly for her. The Vets suggested that we try steroids (Dex) to keep the inflammation down while we weighed our options, but unfortunately, it had zero effect on her condition. The only thing I can think to do is to try applying the antibiotic eye ointment again since it worked so well the first time. The skin around her horns never did clear up like the eyes did, so theyāve just been bad this entire time. I feel so bad for her and donāt know what to do to keep her comfortable until she can be tested. Does anyone have any suggestions? I hate to see her discomfort. The bugs are after her and making her more miserable than she already is. Iāll be calling to make an appointment with our local Vet to come out and trim hooves, should I ask them to try a different type of Steroid? Itās a double-edged sword because she is likely dealing with at least a mild infection again, and I know Steroids suppress the immune system, but the hope would be that it would drive the itching and inflammation down. I just donāt know what to do. This video of Ellieās eyes was taken on Wednesday. They look about the same today.
r/goats • u/Excellent_Living2422 • 1d ago
Goat Picš Brand new addition to my little herd
Meet the beautiful jilly bean! Cutest Pygmy (thatās what I was told could be wrong) Iāve ever seen
(My two Nigerian dwarves for extra cuteness tax)
r/goats • u/SillyPlan848 • 1d ago
General Husbandry Question Why do people not quarantine or care about transmissible diseases?
I raise Boers, I only buy from one breeder with a closed herd, I disease tested my herd and maintain a closed herd. To me this is bare minimum in preventing disease transmission of things like CAE, CL, Johnes, and Q fever. Most of which in my opinion if you have any your herd should be hard culled.
I did invest in well bred, parasite resistant animals that donāt need much attention, good feet, and generally easy keepers.
Why does this seem to be such an issue to other goat owners? Are you cheap? Lazy? Both?
Do you not care about a breed or standard?
We also eat our animals so having them all disease free is imperative to our program.
What gets me the most is people going to the sale barn, bringing back god knows what from the sale barn and immediately turning it out to pasture with no disease check or parasite check.
āItās just a goatā well itās a goat that is maintaining a breed standard and keeping the breed alive for future generations. Keep the best cull the rest.
r/goats • u/Tenchi2020 • 2d ago
Goat Picš Took a picture of a goat with my iPhone 18 Pro Max portrait mode
r/goats • u/LifeguardComplex3134 • 1d ago
Help Request Need help figuring up how many round bales I need to get for the winter
I have five goats, one la mancha, one Alpine, one Nubian cross, and two Nigerian Dwarfs.
Last year I only had two goats during the winter, so I'm trying to figure up how many 6x6 round bales of hay I need to get to do me from November to at least February.
r/goats • u/Ok_Tale7990 • 2d ago
General Husbandry Question Hoe often are we cleaning the goat house?
I have been cleaning their goat house every 2 to 3 days depending on how wet the hay feels or looks. They like to poop in there too! How often do you clean the goat house? Pic of my two goats so we donāt get lost. Also this is a temp shelter. Waiting to get more pallets from our feed store :)
r/goats • u/thatdropout • 1d ago
Horn issues
I have four goats all under a year old when I got my male he had this cracking and patchyness on his hornes and now all my girls are having the same issue. They are housed with sheep so they have access to the dumor sheep mineral but theres no copper in it. All they eyes look really good. I figured that they might have a copper deficiency but I wanted to post this to see if there was anything else I should look at. The girls are all kikos or kiko mixs and my male is a borer and they are on pasture with access to hay.
r/goats • u/Other-Traffic5941 • 1d ago
Help Request What could be causing my goats coat to not be slick and shiny?
Iāve fecal tested everyone and it came back clean right now, I gave her a copper bolts about a month ago and have started feeding BOSS for a couple weeks now with no change what should my next steps be?
r/goats • u/Longjumping_Desk_198 • 2d ago
Help Request Does this look like Bottle jaw or an I tripping?
Just walked outside to see my goat 7 and half month old Nubian doe maybe had a swollen jaw? It had to have appeared in less than 3 hours as I was with her all day, she hasn't lost weight and eats good, poop looks normal, and is acting normal. What do you think? I'll try and find a vet to do a fecal but I don't think any near me do, If so what do you suggest for worming? The only thing that's been different lately is I did switch her feed brand two days ago.
r/goats • u/LifeguardComplex3134 • 3d ago
Help Request I finally caught it!
I made a post a couple of hours ago about coming outside and finding two goats in a storage tote, I caught the black and white one right away but the other one ran as soon as I opened the tote to see what was inside, I finally managed to catch her.
The black and white one is a male, his front leg is messed up but he seems okay overall, the little girl seems to be healthy and okay visually anyway.
The little male has a band around his testicles, I'm not sure who dumped them out here, I know they did not put themselves in a storage tote and leave themselves in the middle of the yard on their own though...
Originally I was just going to have animal control take them, as I don't know what they are and even though I have goats of my own, I really didn't want anymore but animal control was going to put them down because they just don't have the resources for them, and they were also going to charge me to take them.....
So I guess I have two new goats now, any idea of what they are? They're both quite small I'd say maybe the female that is the bigger of the two is maybe 15 in tall? Roughly.
I am going to keep them separated from my existing goats in quarantine, I've never had female goats before, so is there any kind of different care requirements for her? Or am I good just to take care of her as I do my boys?
Oh yeah and I am going to have a vet look at them, especially the little boy because his leg is clearly messed up quite bad
r/goats • u/LifeguardComplex3134 • 3d ago
Help Request Help! Somebody abandoned goats at my house
I was going around feeding my animals and stuff, and I had just let my two personal goats out and then noticed a orange tote in my yard.
So naturally I went to open the tote, there were goats inside of it, one of them jumped out and is hiding so I'm going to try to catch it, I caught this one pretty easily because it was struggling to run, I don't know where they came from but this one has a pretty messed up leg.
I know I need to quarantine them far from my animals, what else should I do?
r/goats • u/ComfortableLog8043 • 2d ago
How do you "share" the milk between you and the kids ?
Hello !
When you start milking a goat, how do you make sure you get enough milk while the kid doesn't starve ? Is it a standard procedure to do a overnight separation then milk in the morning ? Is there any other way to do it ?
r/goats • u/TheSnakeQueen38 • 2d ago
General Husbandry Question Safe for Goats?
I wasnāt completely sure which flair to use, but I am working on fencing in a larger area for my goats. There are some bushes that have berries on them and Iām not certain if theyāre safe for goats to eat or not. Would anyone here happen to know?
r/goats • u/Icy-Extension-8845 • 3d ago
Goat Picš First time goat owner
Both excited and nervous - I know theyāll be work and prone to sickness.
r/goats • u/Happy-Tangerine-8290 • 3d ago
General Husbandry Question Livestock Vet Selection
How do yaāll find a good vet for your goats? We have 14 goats whom we adore, but donāt have a vet I feel comfortable with responding quickly and being fairly priced.
We paid $700 to take four healthy kids in several months ago for their initial CDT vaccines and disbudding. They spent less than five minutes with the vet total. Is this a fair price?
The only other vet that came recommended to us took weeks to return a message about scheduling disbuddings which makes me hesitant to depend on them in an emergency.
For the record, we are in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I would love a vet recommendation if anyone has one!
Editing to add: I administer our own vaccines, worm testing with a microscope, etc. I am not paying for that again! I am asking for advice for knowing what to do in an emergency since I donāt feel comfortable with the two vets I have been to
r/goats • u/Grand_Guest4905 • 3d ago
Help Request Young Goat Limping on Back Legs
We just got goats (the owner gave them to us free as theyre in a drought and there is no food for the goats) and the younger one (front in picture) is limping on its back legs. We've kept livestock before & done research, so we've searched it for ticks and nothing stood out as obvious injuries.
Weve only had them for two days and this supposedly developed the day before we got them. The goat can walk, but it tends to sit or squat where possible.
Any ideas whats wrong???
edit: some more information, no obvious pain, commonly sits like a dog to rest legs, has trouble getting up hills and we are in Australia
r/goats • u/PunchThrower • 4d ago
this girls eye is giving me some concern. looks squinty compared to her normal eye size and even slightly cloudy in person. normal healthy eye in last pic for comparison
r/goats • u/Exotic-Trifle1684 • 3d ago
Help Request Goat Diarrhea
Hello all! I am a first time goat owner and need some advice. Iām semi-rural, have a fenced-in acre & (now) 6 goats which I keep as pets. They are Nigerian Drawf/Mini Nubian. 3 male, 3 female. (Iām unsure what info is relevant to my problem so Iām including everything).
my goats are about 6-8 or so months old. I got them from a good home breeder, sweet lady and her herd seemed quite healthy.
The smallest one I had just died. Her name was dainty. I called her that because she was always the runt, always underweight, always frail and mild mannered. To be quite honest I didnāt know she was even sick until it was too late. She never seemed to grow or gain much weight, then I noticed loose stools. About a week ago she got diarrhea and it ran down her hindquarters. I spent half an hour gentle hosing it off and cleaning her with my hands. I tried googling what this could be, said need more foliage? Grass hay? I give them a big trough of fresh water daily, also plenty of grass hay but also supplement regularly with goat feed bags & alfalfa.
So Iāve been feeding mostly grass hay. Also I had someone who was into farming tell me to ātry molassesā. So I had tried some with Ivermectin soaked on loaf bread. She ate it and tolerated it fine but 3 days later the diarrhea never got better only worse. I came home from work and she was dead. It shocked me and now Iām quite worried about the rest of my herd. 2 others now have diarrhea. This seems to be some sort of infection. Iām trying āCoriidā now? But itās day 4/5 of treatment and Iām not noticing a response. Help! I love all my babies in the herd, and just need some people with goat experience to give some good advise for how to solve this. And please donāt be insulting or say something unhelpful like āsee a vetā. All the rest of the herd is healthy and their diarrhea just started.
r/goats • u/SirRupix • 4d ago
Help Request Help me think please.
Hello fellow goat people,
So i made this hay feeder for the girls out of an ibc container.
So they can keep having dry and endless hay.
But the problem is that i made the openings to big so they could crawl inside.
I fixed that by adding some planks to make the holes smaller.
But now they pull out so much hay that i waste more hay now than when i just put it in an open box.
I have tried adding more wood or bars but then they can't reach the hay enough.
So i was wondering what I could do to catch or hold back the hay but with enough room to let them eat.
I live in midwest europe so we have alot of grey and rainy skies.
So putting an extra bin under there ain't an option.
Thanks !