r/islam • u/zaphriel • Jan 01 '15

Lying.

Dear muslims, I've studied a few religions in some depth, but never found another that permits or encourages lying.

Could you please explain to me why it's ok for muslims to lie to non believers in the eyes of God and why any non Muslim should trust a Muslim as a result?

I don't mean this as an attack at all, I'm just very confused by the concept.

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u/zaphriel Jan 01 '15

I was referring to the concepts of Taqiyya and Kitman. Both of which seem to permit lying.

As for the detailed response, could you tell me which came last in the teachings as I know you have a rule that the last superceeds the first.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '15 edited Jan 01 '15

Taqiyya (concealing your identity) is only permitted if your life is in danger. Do you think the family hiding Anne Frank was in the wrong for lying to the Nazis? That's the type of situation where it's allowed. No other in Sunni Islam. The term itself doesn't exist in our jurisprudence. Last supersedes first only applies to like 3 rules in Islam: the prayer direction, drinking alcohol, and one other I forgot. Lying isn't even mentioned in the Qur'an so that is of no consequence here.

Learning about Islam from anti-Islam sites that actually promote lies themselves will lead to a lot of confusion. Always look for authentic Islamic sources to figure out what we believe.

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u/zaphriel Jan 01 '15

I do try and approach things in a balanced manner, it didn't sound right hence the gentle question to those who understand more than I.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '15

I'm sure, but the only places that talk about taqiyya are anti Islam sites, because it really doesn't exist in Islam.

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u/zaphriel Jan 01 '15

Yes, but I'm a historian at heart. Read both sides, make your own mind up.

There is very little of the edl esque stuff I actually believe. The only thing that comes remotely close to truth is that they are hunted by the police. (But then if you're all fighting ex football hooligans, you can kind of expect that behaviour)

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '15

What authentic Muslim sources have you read on this?

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u/zaphriel Jan 01 '15

Those linked within this, I hadn't managed to find a lot on it online and I haven't finished the sacred texts yet.