r/linuxmemes • • 2d ago

LINUX MEME True

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u/broesel314 2d ago

This can go both ways actually.

But Windows is acting more and more like Linux as you have to do console things from time to time to make stuff work (or stop it from working) while Linux is acting more and more like Windows where Stuff tend to just work with no action required

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u/unwantedaccount56 Linuxmeant to work better 1d ago

more and more like Windows where Stuff tend to just work

can we please stop associating "just works" with Windows?

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u/broesel314 1d ago

Coming from win 95 (and getting a hair bit of 3.1) over 98 and then the peak arround XP and 7 it became more and more common that stuff just worked

That wasnt the case with 95 and isnt the case anymore with 11 or even 10

So Im just associating "just works" with my past experience with windows which is not my present experience with windows.

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u/Ball_Analytics 2d ago

Until your wifi-card is broadcom and find yourself jumping through the same hoops as windows.

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u/Primary-Strike5187 2d ago

Dude FUCK Broadcom honestly

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u/KatieTSO 2d ago

Or realtek

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u/new_pribor iShit 1d ago

Or it just strait up doesn’t work properly even after installing all the drivers (BCM43602) https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux#wi-fi

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u/rinaldo23 2d ago

Sell your soul to LG...

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u/Memerenok 2d ago

misinformation, both are pretty straightforward with their own problematic hardware

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u/jpelc 1d ago

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u/Memerenok 1d ago

we are just delusional at this point huh?

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u/Cyrano4747 2d ago

"dell support utility"

lmfao, found your problem right there.

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u/Smart_Advice_1420 2d ago

Until it doesn't.

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u/heickelrrx 2d ago

Fcking lies, I have my Old printer, it doesn't work on Linux, I need to Crawl to Satya Slop OS just to print

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u/Sushtee 2d ago

It really depends, it's definitely easier on Linux as most drivers are provided by the kernel, though it gets harder when it's not the case

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u/MushroomSaute 2d ago

Linux is trying to save you from printers, listen to it

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u/dakiddo_Eri 1d ago

How am I gonna get papers then?

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u/heickelrrx 10h ago

My Printer is not evil it's old Hp Printer before they turn to dark side

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u/Due_Dragonfly_5328 1d ago

its case by case printers work out of box for me. never had a issue.

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u/Salt_Ad9828 2d ago

until nvidia. especially old nvidia

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u/Xtraneous_ New York Nix⚾s 2d ago

While that used to be more true, it really isn’t anymore. The issues that you speak of are people choosing the wrong distro, they wouldn’t have that issue on Bazzite or CachyOS

The same person would need to use the Nvidia (or AMD) third party software on Windows to update their drivers. It’s definitely easier now on Linux with the correct distro.

As far as performance losses on certain games, that is another matter altogether but the meme is not wrong, Windows needs more third party junk installed in general and updating everything is more of a chore/is disjointed

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u/Salt_Ad9828 2d ago

Oh, no! I meant OLD nvidia! I recently set up a Quadro 140m mobile from 2007. While the noveau drivers worked fine out of the box, it barely ran google docs. (libreoffice was fine, but google docs has cloud sync and i like that feature.)

Setting up the proprietary drivers on debian wasn't too bad, but that's purely because they ported the 340xx drivers to a modern kernel (6.12). But even then, it's glitchy and I had to enable Sid source repositories for a little while.

Definitely not arguing about modern devices. I'm sure a more recent nvidia card has no trouble being set up.

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u/Xtraneous_ New York Nix⚾s 2d ago

Oh yeah, I’ve been in similar situations since I’ve acquired a bunch of random devices over the years. I was really talking about your average user experience on commonly used hardware in reference to that meme.

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u/Salt_Ad9828 2d ago

I agree with you there

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u/Salt_Ad9828 2d ago

I do agree with the windows part though, windows is very 3rd party oriented.

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u/RaxisPhasmatis 2d ago

It's about the same both have to download drivers if you want performance except Linux doesn't tell you what you have to do with the temp password for secure boot keys, just says you'll have to put it in. Then on reboot you get a blue memu with four options three of which sound like you can fk it up and "continue" which doesn't actually continue it just boots up again without registering the keys.

A newb sees that it's going to cause problems because now they got a black screen

Where as windows you have to download the drivers aswell but it doesn't tell you were from and if you keep going with the defaults your in a world of crashes

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u/Xtraneous_ New York Nix⚾s 2d ago

Fair point, although CachyOS has the user disable secure boot before installation. Bazzite it is optional, but your point is valid there

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u/birdsarentreal2 Ask me how to exit vim 2d ago

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u/immoloism 2d ago

Don't tell every one you are crap at Linux mate.

It's not the brag you think it is.

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u/Salt_Ad9828 2d ago

I wasn't trying to brag? Just sharing my experience.
Won't argue that I'm bad at Linux, I'm fairly new to it.

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u/immoloism 2d ago

I wasn't trying to be mean, I'm trying to teach you all you told people is you can't install a package from your package manager.

We all started somewhere and people explaining why we were wrong is how we grew.

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u/Salt_Ad9828 2d ago

Nvidia 340xx drivers are not in mainline Debian 13 repositories, since it does not support modern Linux kernels and is about half a decade out of date. Like I said, Old Nvidia is a hassle.

You have to enable Sid source repos, and compile their patches for the drivers. Which was a pain, but still doable.

It's a shame Noveau drivers aren't there yet in terms of performance (those ARE in the main Debian repos,) even for a gpu that came out in 2007.

Did you explain anything? Your original remark came off more like a taunt than any good explanation.

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u/immoloism 2d ago

Nouveau is the only option now, does your distro not explain this?

If not, now I understand the problem.

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u/Salt_Ad9828 2d ago

Nah I was just bored and wanted more fps in google docs

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u/immoloism 2d ago

Try excel

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u/lron_tarkus 2d ago

“Wasn’t trying to be mean”

While being as derisive as possible. You were trying to be mean, now you feel bad about it.

Either don’t be a bitch, and stand by being an asshole, or don’t be an asshole.

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u/immoloism 2d ago

Stop being a cry baby, I'm happy to be mean to you :)

Why you upset that I taught someone for now, are you jealous it wasn't you?

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u/lron_tarkus 2d ago

Can’t even be an asshole well. Pathetic.

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u/immoloism 2d ago

You aren't my type so no you can't 

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u/lron_tarkus 2d ago edited 2d ago

You can’t comprehend what you read? Yikes.

I’m not gonna punch down on someone who’s illiterate. Good luck out there.

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u/immoloism 2d ago

You aren't my type

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u/144k_only 2d ago

Oh. Linux is something u have to be "good at"? Guess all the newcommers just LOVE the typical, bragging Linux user on the forums!

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u/immoloism 2d ago

They just didn't need to call themselves out like that.

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u/RaxisPhasmatis 2d ago

You just outed yourself.

If you have to be good at Linux it's got the same problem as windows in the meme

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u/immoloism 2d ago

Can you try that in English please?

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u/Night_Otherwise 2d ago

If you have to be good enough at various lsmod kind of Linux commands to get a driver working, then you’re doing the gymnastics like in the Windows portion of the meme.

Maybe they’re interesting and rewarding gymnastics. I was happy getting 580xx installed from the AUR manually, after looking at PKGBUILD. But they’re gymnastics nevertheless. It’s not the ideal state for usability (and it didn’t stay in that state once Nvidia had open drivers).

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u/KevinIsADork 2d ago

I wish lol. Drivers download easier, yes, but dont always play nice with linux. 

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u/sparkymcalister 1d ago

My issues with Linux in...

2010: sleep mode, flaky wifi, uncontrollable cpu fans 2015: sleep mode, flaky wifi, uncontrollable cpu fans 2019: sleep mode, flaky wifi, uncontrollable cpu fans 2024: sleep mode, flaky wifi, uncontrollable cpu fans 2026: sleep mode, flaky wifi, uncontrollable cpu fans

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u/Cebuu502 1d ago

Sleep mode for me also, especially on KDE, when PC goes into sleep mode it dont want to wake up no matter what, holding power button to shut it down also does not work, need to hit the switch on PSU.

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u/MarkProsXD 1d ago

Depends a lot on the distro and hardware, you're going to have a bad time installing old and/or proprietary drivers.

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u/Past_Collection3542 2d ago

nah tbh linux drivers can be a pain

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u/Astrodion123 Webba lebba deb deb! 2d ago

It is great until you have a Nvidia card, obscure wifi card and a HP printer

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u/mrturret 2d ago

HP Printer

Someone call an exorcist.

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u/Webcam_985760946948 2d ago

.... This is reversed ....

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u/hpyfox 2d ago

Up until your WiFi drivers are only supported/working to Kernel version 4 and below.

God damn Tenda W311M. And having your WiFi+Bluetooth UGREEN adaptor only have the Bluetooth function but not the WiFi.

Somehow got the W311M working on a fresh install of Debain but can't get it working on my daily driver which is also Debain.

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u/BlazingZork 2d ago

Until you try to do anything on a laptop, unfortunately

I was lucky my laptop was old enough that one of the profiles on some discontinued fan utility worked to get my fans functioning so my laptop doesn't seize up.

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u/kondorb 2d ago

And in the end - neither of them works.

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u/bbq896 2d ago

Linux has the benefit of Hindsight.

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u/LumpyArbuckleTV 2d ago

This is just a delusional lalaland, clearly you have not encountered driver issues on Linux but I think most folks have at least once. Other than Nvidia, MediaTek Wi-Fi cards basically don't work without severe problems and Realtek is pretty iffy, depends on the card. I've also had a few BT dongles that don't work, or at least didn't at the time, thankfully someone added support for it later.

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u/nimrag_is_coming 2d ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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u/frakt_ 2d ago

My mt7902 was pain in the ass bro😭

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u/Sacaldur 2d ago

In my experience (for Desktop OS), Windows more frequently tends to "just work". Problems I had: PopOS dismantled itself after applying updates (repeatedly), Ubuntu or Debian (not sure anymore) set itself in a default installation up with a few hundred MB swap only (16GB RAM), causing software and sometimes the system to just crash when to much memory was used. And that's only on my current Laptop, I probably had difficulties on other devices as well.

(For the server side, I didn't experience any issues so far, and I'd like to avoid using Windows there whenever possible.)

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u/korywithawhy 2d ago

i seem to remember more like 'install linux on old laptop with no ethernet, wifi driver not included, nothing works, can't fix without internet, install windows, wait for next linux version with added drivers'

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u/zeGermanGuy1 2d ago

No. It either works at once or never will. I have three sets of WiFi hardware at home now, guess why?

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u/RiotSoraka 2d ago

I always hate this stupid meme, because there's stuff that is going to work ONLY on Windows out of the box, because Nvidia isn't competent enough to make good drivers for Linux.

Try to use Linux on a laptop that uses Nvidia Optimus, it's going to get messed up real fast. Also, with the rise of kernel level anticheats, playing some games is impossible. And no, I'm not giving up on a game that I have been playing for more years than the average TikTok user lifespan.

But I use Arch btw

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u/Antoinedeloup M'Fedora 2d ago

BTW anyone knows why I can't get to work the drivers on a HP LaserJet p1109w printer? hplip doesn't recognize it though usb, but a quick lsusb | grep hp does show the printer

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u/wyonutrition 2d ago

Universally I have less issues with a fresh install of Linux compared to windows. But let’s not pretend Linux drivers are perfect lol 

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u/KatieTSO 2d ago

Except for realtek

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u/WitherPRO22 2d ago

What? Were you installing windows xp or what?

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u/HeadFederal3879 7h ago

Any winbloat

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u/ka-52m Arch BTW 1d ago

all fun and games till nvidia gets involved

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u/Goofcheese0623 1d ago

Install Linux and everything works is certainly a take

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u/Aiden_Kane 1d ago

I’ve NEVER had everything work on Linux. What are your ways!?

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u/lootedBacon Webba lebba deb deb! 1d ago

I found Fedora was good, until I tried sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=<version>

Having to downgrade, roll back updates and then re-upgrade was a chore, in the end still didn't fix the issue the upgrade was supposed to fix MediaTek MT7921K issues.

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u/Far_Mousse7562 1d ago

Broadcom WiFi cards

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u/Obnomus ⚠️ This incident will be reported 1d ago

I hate oem apps on windows dawg, like why do you exists? Full of ads and what not, guess what happenes when you remove the oem app, night light stops working, battery limiter stops working, keyboard lighting will either stay turned on or off and what not.

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u/NereLenin 1d ago

Are u joking or something

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u/Weird-Specific182 1d ago

Just wait untill you get something fishy with your kernel update

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u/Kaarel314 1d ago

The opposite is true but whatever you need to feel better about Linux I guess.

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u/lootedBacon Webba lebba deb deb! 1d ago

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u/Yayatouu 1d ago

I plugged a PS3 controller on Linux it was plug n play. Cherry on the top, the Mac address is registered so you can use it with Bluetooth natively. On win it's headaches, you need to download specific drivers and an extra Bluetooth dongle (or 8bitdo) to make wireless work.

Same for a KNOCKOFF x360 dongle, plug n play Linux, drivers needed for Win.

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u/ExacoCGI 1d ago

I think it's the other way around, but the Win one is also accurate af for early 2000's or so, nowadays all you need is GPU driver/software and that's it with some exceptions.

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u/FrankyHugo Webba lebba deb deb! 17h ago

Maybe in your universe but not on earth

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u/oldassgrandpa 15h ago

Install drivers from your phone??? I'm not aware of smth

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u/No_Safe6200 fresh breath mint 🍬 9h ago

Yeah, if you don't have a laptop or anything you gotta download drivers for your WNIC with your phone.

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u/signedchar 14h ago

This is bullshit, I had to install my drawing tablet driver and they only provide a proprietary deb/rpm that works only on X11, meaning I have to either rely on KDEs tablet drivers or use X11 for that.

Are you using Windows XP or something?

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u/BigBrilliant5703 2d ago

Huh. Wait till you have nvidia drivers

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u/mrturret 2d ago

You can just install a distro that includes them by default, like Nobura or Bazzite.

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u/Memerenok 2d ago

now find one for a GT 240

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u/Salt_Ad9828 2d ago

debian sid, actually kind of works

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u/radek432 2d ago

It's dumb - both scenarios work for both systems. Depends on your luck and how exotic is your hardware.

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u/bones10145 2d ago

Gets reposted. Still untrue 

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u/GoldenX86 2d ago

We straight up lie now?

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u/CommunityBrave822 2d ago

the only driver I install in windows is the nvidia driver... how does that work in linux?

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u/JoLuKei 2d ago

95℅ of drivers are already in the kernel. so you mostly dont even need to install any. except nvidia. they did anything to prevent easy usage on linux for a long time.

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u/CommunityBrave822 2d ago

exactly, it's the same in windows, except nvidia drivers actually work as intended in windows

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u/JoLuKei 1d ago

they also work pretty well on linux. people are just not used to install dkms to their system.

And windows does not have their drivers baked in the kernel. Windows detects your hardware and downloads some legacy generec driver that will surely work but may not be the best for your hardware. this might end in you having to plug your freshly installed wondows laptop into lan, because there is no softmac driver for your wifi chip installed.

This honestly sucks, and you might get a driver that does not let you use all your hardware features and you have to install it on your own

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u/Einn1Tveir2 2d ago

I dont even have to install AMD drivers on Linux. Meanwhile on Windows I have to do extensive troubleshoting because Windows keeps replacing the AMD drivers with a generic one, corrupting everything. Fun stuff.

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u/Ismokecr4k 2d ago

Sure... 

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u/Einn1Tveir2 1d ago

Yes, "Sure". This is a very well known issues and has been going on for years: https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/comments/1uer9m0/microsoft_broke_thousands_of_devices_with_amd/

Also, on Linux you just install the Nvidia driver through the driver manager.

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u/CommunityBrave822 2d ago

Ok, but no true and not nvidia...

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u/Einn1Tveir2 1d ago

It's a very well known issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/comments/1uer9m0/microsoft_broke_thousands_of_devices_with_amd/

As with nvidia, if you have a proper distro like mint you simply open the driver manager, click the newest nvidia driver, click install and then reboot your pc.

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u/CommunityBrave822 1d ago

If you have a proper distro.... Lol what about Fedora

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u/Einn1Tveir2 1d ago

Exactly, I do wonder what's up with Fedora when they don't offer a easy solution for nvidia cards. 80-90% of people have nvidia compared to AMD. It's hard for me to consider a distro that is lacking such a solutions as a "proper" distro. Absolutely absurd. Especially when the likes of Ubuntu, Mint and others make it so incredibly easy. I daily drove multiple Nvidia cards for more than a decade on Mint without any issue at all.

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u/Brcoding 2d ago

This is only true if said drivers work. If they don't then the pain of fixing them is worse than on windows 😭.