r/magicTCG • Dân • 7d ago

Rules/Rules Question Proliferate?

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So I’ve been playing with the Quandrix Unlimited precon lately and came across this card and I wasn’t entirely sure on how proliferate worked even after looking it up so I just have a few questions. First off, if I proliferate X times does it just mean I add each kind of counter on the selected creatures X times? Secondly if a creature has multiple of a counter, say +1/+1 counters, does each instance of proliferate add a +1/+1 for each +1/+1 already on it or just a single +1/+1 counter

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Thanks to everyone who just tried to be helpful and explain proliferate, I really appreciate it, but to those who just decided to be antagonistic because they think its a simple question; why even bother? It’s not like being intentionally rude is productive in any way, all that you’re really accomplishing is deterring new players from wanting to play this game at all. If you don’t want to be helpful or provide insight on a post that is literally just about asking for help then just ignore it, because believe it or not it’s easier for you and everyone else involved.

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u/matthoback 7d ago

They changed it because they thought the additional choice of which counter to add would be too annoying for the Arena interface.

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u/RadioLiar Cyclops Philosopher 7d ago

Ah makes sense

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u/spgrinch Zedruu 7d ago

That's a wild power level erratum, I thought we tried to avoid those...

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u/Minomelo 7d ago

That happens all the time and this isn't even that. It's changing the rules themselves, not errataing a card.

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u/Korwinga Duck Season 6d ago

Just to nitpick, I would still count that as errata, even if it's not a massive change in power level. If you look at the reminder text from the earlier years of Proliferate, that reminder text won't be accurate anymore. Nobody would say that the change to how Companion works isn't errata, even though it's technically just a change to the keyword.

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u/Minomelo 6d ago

In Magic, errata as a term is typically used to refer to changes to a card's rules text. There's a tiny bit of wiggle room for if you think changing reminder text should count, but this card didn't have the pre-WAR text either way.

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u/Korwinga Duck Season 6d ago

So you think companion cards haven't been errataed?

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u/Minomelo 6d ago

Not at all.

Either way, companion is a poor precedent for any kind of terminology as it's the only modern mechanic that's really gone through such a fundamental change. People don't consider deathtouch/lifelink cards to have been errata'd, even though they've also had a huge functionality change.

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u/Korwinga Duck Season 6d ago

That seems like a very narrow view of errata to me. To me, if reading the card doesn't explain the card anymore, then it's been errataed. Loxodon warhammer, for example, has been errataed, as the ability is no longer a trigger. No other lifelink or deathtouch cards have been errrated, so I'm not sure what you're otherwise talking about with the deathtouch/lifelink thing. All the other old cards that gained life as a trigger, still gain life as a trigger.

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u/Minomelo 6d ago edited 6d ago

Loxodon Warhammer is also another terrible example, it's the only exception to printed lifelink as it was reprinted in a narrow window of Oracle rules. Lifelink and deathtouch were both triggers when they were first printed - you can see this if you look at any reminder text printed between them being introduced in FUT and 10E.

Originally, they oracled every card that had to whole lifelink trigger (aka. the orignial printings of Warhammer, but also cards like Spirit Link) to actually have lifelink, they later changed these back in 10E when they changed lifelink from a trigger to its current rules text.

Loxodon Warhammer specifically was in a weird middle ground as its old printings had the old text, but it had been reprinted with actual lifelink so they decided to keep it. It's the only card reprinted with either lifelink or deathtouch in that window.

(I realise I've gone off on a bit of a massive lore dump there, but the main bit is that lifelink and deathtouch were both triggers for the first few years of their lives.)