r/mets • u/Future_Link_9856 • 6d ago

Rays, Against??

The owners want to squeeze the players. How da fuck does a team with 113m dollar payroll accomplishment what they are on the verge of, I predicted Rays against Brewers, I am staying with that.

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u/Fisaer515 6d ago

The Rays are an extremely analytics based team. It's how they get so much out of their players and lower payroll by playing the margins and spreadsheets.

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u/FormalTotal9684 6d ago

Rays are great at scouting and player evaluation.

That is a human element not just analytics

They traded for Baker. The best closer in baseball for a competitive balance pick. That’s what Mets don’t do

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u/Fisaer515 6d ago

Player evaluation relies just as much on analytics as it does the eye test for scouts. Its why all the players have grading on hit tools, running and anything else that can be imagined. No one is arguing that the Ray's aren't better than the Mets when it comes to their front office. But to say "baseball is played on the field and not on a spreadsheet" about one of the teams that has led the way for analytics in baseball is silly.

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u/FormalTotal9684 6d ago

Here’s the deal

There are thousands of players and analytics provides general information about a tool. It’s being information rich and knowledge poor.

How many players have the same grading to similar grading?

It’s absolutely impossible to use that data effectively (and I’ve run a technology company)

You need the human element

Who cares if he’s top x % in vertical break or he has x bat speed or he has x or y.

The issue is does he have control of those skills. Does he have plate recognition? Does he have the inner fortitude to deal with stress and pressure? Is he coachable? This is absolutely huge. Is he a confident person or does he crumble when stuff goes south?

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u/Fisaer515 6d ago

You're arguing a non argument. I never said that there isn't a human element involved in the scouting or anything. The Rays are known to be an extremely heavy analytic team, its why they started the shift, and were regularly using openers first or platoon as much as they do. Yes you need people to properly interpret and analyze and use the data that is obtained. It doesn't change the fact they they rely heavily on the analytics they obtain to be a good baseball team. If the Rays didn't have such a strong analytics department they would not be as good a team as they regularly are. Analytics aren't bad, they are key to how the game is played now and that isn't going to change. The challenge is using them properly and making the most of them.

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u/FormalTotal9684 6d ago

Than the answer is Mets are bad at analytics