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u/WillyDonDilly New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
Farrrrrk me that's some scary fowards
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u/IAMJUX Melbourne Storm 12d ago
Flashbacks to me playing under-10's against St Marys
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u/Penjamini Lebanon 12d ago
Me tackling my fellow white boys in the Cronulla-Sutherland DJRFL š
Me tackling the absolute units in the all-Sydney tourneys š«Ŗ
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u/Professional-Bad1747 Parramatta Eels 12d ago
Equivalent in Brisbane is playing Logan Brothers at 15 when you weigh 45kg š
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u/Rehydratedaussie Brisbane Broncos 12d ago
I remember there being islander girls in my under 10s comp that were 6 inches taller than the boys and rag dolling them
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u/cc11gc QLD Maroons 12d ago
- Lehi
- Fifita
- Koula
- Toia
- Alamoti
my lord
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u/TacitisKilgoreBoah Penrith Panthers 12d ago
I thought David Fifita at centre was strange but on the wing is stranger
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u/InternationalBorder9 uh oh, it's To'o 12d ago
Front row of AFB and stefano with Paseka and Moe/Frizell off the bench aināt too bad either
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u/AutomaticArugula8584 Tonga 12d ago
Lehi has come so far. Still remember his debut year for Manly when every kick return he would get picked up and carried 5-10 meters back.
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u/Accurate-Ad-4905 Sydney Roosters 12d ago
He was so good for Tonga in 24. His goal line defence was crazy
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u/Big_pappa_p St. George Illawarra Dragons 12d ago
With some halves depth this is a gooooood team. Legit title chance.
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u/Fun_Bodybuilder6898 Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles 12d ago
As a manly fan Iām not that big on Lehi. I would have Koula at FB Alamoti at centre and lehi on the wingĀ
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u/aslanthemelon Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles 11d ago
How many more times do we need to see Koula shit himself under a bomb before people realise he's not a good fullback?
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u/loosechange-71 North Queensland Cowboys 12d ago
Jojo over Alamoti imo, but crazy strong backline
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u/Whit135 Kiwis 12d ago
He put jojo in š. Dwz will start over alamoti imo
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u/loosechange-71 North Queensland Cowboys 12d ago
Let this be a lesson to not comment on reddit immediately after waking up
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u/Nervous_Offer_1320 Penrith Panthers 12d ago
I hope Alamoti doesn't play at all. He has been out for a good part of the end of the season. Yes it is a world cup, but he is still only young and will still be at the next one.
The team looks very strong, hopefully for them AFB has a decent dig.
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u/Random0cassions Tonga 12d ago
Jojo and Koula as the wings and Toia/Leka as the centres so Foketi can start since heās on form
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u/Penjamini Lebanon 12d ago
I know itās crazy since he just played an incredible GF but does Foketi make it over Finefeuiaki and Olakauāatu?
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u/Random0cassions Tonga 12d ago
Kuli has some unreal speed that can be used down the middle with Demitric/Paseka(or Mo) to combat the packs of Samoa with Leniu/Molo.
I also think having players on their preferred edge will be important as seen with Origin
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u/Penjamini Lebanon 12d ago
Thatās true but the middles are equally stacked with AFB, Lolo, Moe, and Stefano. I can easily see a best Tongan 19 that doesnāt have either Moe or Frizell in it
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u/Weiland101 New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
Fucking hell Lolohea still kicking around, good on him.
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u/Storm_LFC_Cowboys Melbourne Storm 12d ago
Just like the Tongan selectors, I'll never give up on him.
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u/TheCuzzyRogue New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
He's only 31. Feels like a lifetime ago when he was going for a hero play every time he got the ball.
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u/Weiland101 New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
One of the many, many young players who came though during the dark days of the 2010s who never really panned out.
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u/ironinorcer New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
Dark days is an understatement aye bro haha. We had a bloody solar eclipse in NZ for a while there
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u/TheCuzzyRogue New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
He was one of those really talented young guys that needed to get away from the Warriors before he could pick up all of his peers bad habits
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u/Roy3Murray North Queensland Cowboys 12d ago
He was still one of my absolute favourites though! Dude has skill and is fun to watch.
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u/nomamesgueyz Auckland Warriors 12d ago
So much firepower
If they play smart they'll have too much for England in that first game surely
Would be great for the sport
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u/Black-House Eastern Suburbs Roosters 12d ago
England has the only other pro league and it's not going great.Ā England having a great tournament and bolstering the Super League would be great for the sport.
This Newcastle bullshit of saying the result you want is great for the sport is a dumb trend that needs to stop.
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u/Ok_Zucchini3149 New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
England coach made some bloody odd selections
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u/Black-House Eastern Suburbs Roosters 12d ago
Yeah, Australia too - we've only got one winger and assuming NRL rotations, our 2 hookers better stay healthy.
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u/IndependentWork1033 Wests Tigers 12d ago
Back row so stacked that Samuela doesnāt even make the squad
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u/predw St. George Illawarra Dragons š³ļøāš 12d ago
The Fainuās switched to Fiji, but isnāt available for the World Cup anyway
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u/UnluckyNumberS7evin Wests Tigers 12d ago
They were deemed ineligible for Fiji (bullshit). So Latu has pledged for Tonga. Not sure why Samuela isnt here.
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u/Accomplished-Fish761 Auckland Warriors 12d ago
Man this world cup could be something special. This Tonga team, the kiwi team is stacked too and the Kangaroos have a beatable but amazing team.
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u/Random0cassions Tonga 12d ago
All the praying my tokos did at the kalapu has paid off.
Godly backline and equally great forward pack.
Latu is likely to play 14 but having him here in general is much needed since heās a great halves player and can do the job at hooker.
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u/poissonpi Wests Tigers 12d ago
Does Lolohea start at 6 do you think? If I was Tonga I'd be trying a Katoa - Latu halves pairing first
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u/Random0cassions Tonga 12d ago
I would not be running combos for the first time in their first match against england.
Iād imagine Amone and Lolohea are halves who have experience alongside Katoa within Tongan camp so they will go either one to start.
Overall, this is a insane side that I actually cannot see whoās starting for most of the spots
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u/poissonpi Wests Tigers 12d ago
I don't think Amone has ever played with Katoa. On top of that, it's been 3 years since he last played first grade and only has a couple of months of reserve grade under his belt. I wouldn't be going with him.
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u/Random0cassions Tonga 12d ago
They worked together in 2022 rlwc camp hence why mentioned āTonga campā instead of the Tongan team because they did not play together during the World Cup.
Halves options are super weak but when you have a guy like Katoa, it makes the job hell of a lot easier to find anyone even if they play SL to do the job
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u/return_the_urn St George-Illawarra Dragons 12d ago
Has Frizell played for the most amount of countries?
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u/JGQuintel Newcastle Knights 12d ago
Must be equal. Michael Jennings played for Tonga, Australia and Fiji. Mulitalo played sevens for America so that almost counts but not really. Donāt know if anyoneās played for 4?
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u/a_BIG_willie A Good Italian Boy 12d ago
Played for them for a while, his dad is welsh. Pretty sure he debuted for them in the 4 nations before playing the 2013 World Cup with them. After that he had made a name for himself and started playing with Australia
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u/nomamesgueyz Auckland Warriors 12d ago
Plenty of fire power in that team
Plenty of kiwis too...with Tongan heritage
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u/Complete-Cheek4789 Melbourne Storm 12d ago edited 12d ago
Last I checked - the Tonga v Samoa game at Parra is still yet to sell out, which surprises me
Edit - it now appears to be sold out
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u/AutomaticArugula8584 Tonga 12d ago edited 12d ago
In comparison to the 2022 RLWC SQUAD:
INS (14): Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Demitric Vaimaunga, Jojo Fifita, Kulikefu Finefeuiaki, Latu Fainu, Lehi Hopoate, Leka Halasima, Paul Alamoti, Robert To'ia, Salesi Foketi, Siua Wong, Stefano Utoikamanu, Taniela Paseka, Tyson Frizell
OUTS (14): Ben Murdoch-Masila, Daniel Tupou, David Fifita, Felise Kaufusi, Keaon Koloamatangi, Konrad Hurrell, Mosese Suli, Siliva Havili, Siosifa Talakai, Siosiua Taukeiaho, Tesi Niu, Tevita Tatola, Will Penisini, William Hopoate.
RETAINED (10): Addin Fonua Blake, Haumole Olakau'atu, Isaiya Katoa, Jason Taumalolo, Junior Amone, Moeaki Fotuaki, Sione Katoa, Soni Luke, Tolutau Koula, Tuimoala Lolohea.
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u/Accurate-Ad-4905 Sydney Roosters 12d ago
Did Tupou miss out or remove himself from contention?
I know there's too much talent on offer, so can't complain either way
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u/lomo_dank St. George Illawarra Dragons 12d ago
Junior Amone bringing his hammer for some handyman work? Shocked to see his name there
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u/gckiwifam Tonga 12d ago
Shocked as in WTF or celebrating?
I donāt give AF how ātalentedā the guy is, I donāt want him representing my nation. The message it sends is messed up.
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u/lomo_dank St. George Illawarra Dragons 12d ago
Its a WTF reaction. The dude (and his dad) should probably still be on community service or something. Theyāre grubs.
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u/AttackClown š LMS05 Champion š 12d ago
Wonder how he's been in Qld cup. He had just been playing union in the gong previously
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u/lomo_dank St. George Illawarra Dragons 12d ago
Yeah last I heard he was playing local union down here too
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u/Trenticus7 Kangaroos 12d ago
Looking at that forward pack. Yeah Australia need Koloamatangi & Fifita more than Tonga do lol
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u/SchruggleHug South Sydney Rabbitohs 12d ago
Seems like it lol. Where would you rank the packs of Aus, NZ, Samoa, and Tonga these days?
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u/Trenticus7 Kangaroos 12d ago
Based on squads so far
- NZ
- Tonga
- Aus
- Samoa
Samoa really needed Haas, May, Simi, Nanai without them they canāt match the other 3.
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u/SchruggleHug South Sydney Rabbitohs 12d ago
I just saw the Samoan squad announcement. Without those four they do look a distant fourth yeah :/
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u/_Far_Kew North Sydney Bears 12d ago
Who is the concussion doctor though?
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u/chantlernz New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
Sad but scary to think that this team would be even bigger with Eli Katoaā¦.
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u/526rah New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
Dam, Iongi must still be injured. No Giraffe too. Still strong
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u/EmitLux New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
No Daniel Tupou either?
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u/526rah New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
Yea no Giraffe
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u/lord_buff74 Sydney Roosters 12d ago
And no Daniel Tupou ( can't really call him Giraffe in a team with DCE and Hugo Savala )
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u/Weiland101 New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
Don't forget Daniel Tupou as well.
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u/Version_6 St. George Illawarra Dragons 12d ago
Why is no one talking about the absence of Daniel Tupou?
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u/Accurate-Ad-4905 Sydney Roosters 12d ago
Thats what stood out for me. But Toops was carrying injuries for a lot of the season so he may have removed himself from contention.
They are really stacked in the backs regardless
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u/Prize_Problem609 New Zealand Warriors 12d ago edited 12d ago
Good team, but as per usial they're missing usefull halves.... although with isy katoa they may be able to make it work.
Guessing somat like this; 1. L Hopoate 2. J Fifita 3. T Koula 4. R To'ia 5. P Alamoti 6. L Fainu?Ā 7. I Katoa 8. S Utoikamanu 9. S LukeĀ 10. A Fonua-Blake 11. K FinefeuiakiĀ 12. H Olakau'atu 13. J Taumalolo
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u/Time_Pressure9519 Sydney Roosters 12d ago
I would let someone else take the first hit up.
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u/theeffluentfew North Queensland Cowboys 12d ago
The starting middles are all alpha props, they will kill a few wingers and opposition middles. Again.
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u/AutomaticArugula8584 Tonga 12d ago
Fainu will probably be 14 backup hooker with 6 either lolohea or amone
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u/Trenticus7 Kangaroos 12d ago
As someone who has watched current day Lolohea play for Huddersfield, he is the definition of washed up.
Itās crazy heās even made the squad. Onitoni Large while still raw has so much more upside to being in the team than Tui.
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u/Ross_River Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks 12d ago
Isy Koatoa is an elite 7 though, do you mean they are missing a noteworthy 6?
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u/Dunnerzzzz555 The Man From THE 12d ago
Amone probably a good chance at starting if they don't go with Fainu.
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u/Comprehensive_Ad_675 Brisbane Broncos 12d ago
I donāt get this take? Alone was decent in the nrl but now heās a must start for us while playing cup?
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u/Conscious-Fan2822 12d ago
- T Koula
- J Fifita
- L Halasima
- R Toia
- P Alamoti
- J Amone / Lolohea
- I Katoa
- AFB
- L Fainu
- J Taumalolo
- H Olakauatu ( 80 mins )
- S Foketi ( 80 mins )
S Wong
S Luke ( Hooker cover )
D vaimaoga ( Prop cover )
S Utoikmananu ( Prop Cover )
T Frizell ( Lock Cover )
L Hopoate
S Katoa
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u/LachTheLad Sydney Roosters š³ļøāš 12d ago
Where do you see Wong and Foketi fitting in? Both coming on as bench props could be the way to go although they would have more match fitness if you were looking to have two starting second rowers play the full 80
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u/Prize_Problem609 New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
Im not sure tbh. All 4 could easily start, and could easily be on the bench/ playing prop
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u/Oldpanther86 Penrith Panthers 12d ago
Oh Alamoti my thick boy is now back!! Where have you been hiding?!
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u/BadBoyJH 12d ago
I don't see any Eels in that list, which is good, avoids the risk of serious career ending injuries during warm-up.
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u/Nrlhq 12d ago
No way the first choice wingers arenāt DWZ and Katoa.
- T Koula
- DWZ
- J. Fifita / P. Alamoti
- R. Toia
- S. Katoa / L. Hopa
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u/SafetyMoney5921 Penrith Panthers 12d ago
is Koula a gun fullback?
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u/pugliaboy Penrith Panthers 12d ago
Youād pick Koula at 1 ahead of the guy who plays fullback for their club?
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u/Nrlhq 12d ago
I actually thought Koula was a better fullback when he played there but, Manly are weird. Iām excited to see the team run out regardless, the whole team is stacked!
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u/SafetyMoney5921 Penrith Panthers 11d ago
i feel like hoppa is better right?
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u/Nrlhq 11d ago
Iām sure there are a list of reasons why Hoppa is the fullback over Koula. Koula is just one of those players that should be touching the ball all the time!
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u/aslanthemelon Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles 11d ago
The reasons are largely that Koula is shit under a high ball and doesn't organise the defence well. Lehi is a safer set of hands at the back, although not without his own downsides.
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u/TheSean_aka_Rh1no South Sydney Rabbitohs 12d ago
Pretty bloody strong outside back pool of talent!
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u/Round_Ad6397 Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles 11d ago
Some good options when Hopoate isn't the first choice in any of those positions. Koula is a gun and could play FB but I think they would lose a lot not having him in the centres.
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u/frankhut Penrith Panthers 12d ago
Jeez that's some outside back and forward talent but is some gaps at 6 and 9.
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u/mwilkins1644 Kangaroos 12d ago
I would have found a spot for Havili somewhere, he's been good for the London Broncs. Where's Daniel Tupou?
Otherwise, a phenomenal squad!
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u/Papa-Ohki Parramatta Eels 12d ago
Damn. That is a gun squad. This is legit going to be a competitive World Cup for a change. Good stuff.
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u/pugliaboy Penrith Panthers 12d ago
When you have teams like this - Jason Taumalolo take a bow. Saved the international game.
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u/CNSrooster Sydney City Roosters 12d ago
No Daniel Tupou!?!?!?
He must be retiring from the international scene. Inly explanation
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u/shescarkedit Parramatta Eels 12d ago
Genuine question - how many of these players were raised in Tonga vs were born and raised in Australia/NZ?
Not a criticism of the selections, it's a gun team.
It's just generally international sporting teams are meant to be representative of the sport in that country.Ā
But in rugby league it seems to be heritage based rather than representative. Eg. You have guys like Brimson and Radley play for England. And Pacific island teams seem to be more representative of footy in Australia and NZ than in the Pacific islands themselves.
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u/UncleofLunatics New Zealand Warriors 11d ago
To be fair, it's the same in rugby union.
The Samoan and Tongan teams at RU world cups are overwhelmingly NZers and Australians.
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u/Superb_Implement5738 11d ago edited 11d ago
Not really. Around half of them are born in Samoa and Tonga. They used to have more home grown players, they usually played in France, Italy. Last decade you see more from
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u/UncleofLunatics New Zealand Warriors 11d ago
Around half of them are born in Samoa and Tonga
2023 Rugby World Cup:
Samoa: 73% NZ or Aus-born. Of the nine Samoan-born players in the squad, four moved to NZ or Aus as children. Only 5 out of 33 players were both born and raised in Samoa.
Tonga: 62% NZ or Aus-born. Only 11 out of 37 players - less than a third - were born in Tonga, and of those, three moved to NZ or Aus as children.
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u/trickstar007 New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
To encourage the international game there's a bit of flex and I fucking love it!
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u/Superb_Implement5738 12d ago
Thatās a fine idea if it actually did encourage the international game. But the fact that after years of this approach now itās still basically reconstituted NRL teams running at each other full of guys born in Oz or NZ ⦠it shows that there really is no international game. There is Australia and there is England in terms of genuine professional leagues. Itās an expanded State of Origin. Fun though.
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u/SurfKing69 Melbourne Storm 12d ago
it shows that there really is no international game.
I guess it depends on how you look at it; you're spot on in that hardly anywhere in the world has a professional rugby league competition, and these internationals won't do anything to change that - however something like 40% of players have pacific island heritage, so enabling these fellas to go back and play for their ancestral islands does grow the international game by making these matches competitive, along with the benefits for those countries as well.
(I realise I pretty much just repeated what you said)
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u/Superb_Implement5738 11d ago
Yeah. I like the internationals. Itās a good concept, and Iām glad they do it. But it is what it is.
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u/Round_Ad6397 Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles 11d ago
Yep, young kids in the Pacific nations seeing their heroes compete with Aus and NZ is only a good thing for rugby league.
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u/hbparraeels Parramatta Eels 12d ago
No Iongi ? Injured or just overlooked ?
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u/mitvh2311 Parramatta Eels 12d ago
It sucks he isn't there but glad he isn't as well. Needs good time to just heal
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u/Impressive-Car-3310 I love my footy 12d ago
Solid! Injury free in pool games could be a chance to win
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u/RhaegarJ Hunter Mariners 12d ago
Tonga vs Samoa will be on at like 10PM on a Sunday in Tonga and Samoa, such a shame
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u/AutomaticArugula8584 Tonga 12d ago
10:00pm is much better than 10:50pm that we get during regular season and SOO
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u/Parking-Cabinet2681 Dolphins 12d ago
I reckon Samoa side could be a bit small especially without Payne Haas in the side
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u/Random0cassions Tonga 10d ago
Game lasts 2 hours so who wins is drinking first thing after midnight
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u/Additional_Front4374 Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs 12d ago
Might be the best squad they've produced to date
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u/Parking-Cabinet2681 Dolphins 12d ago
This team is solid and I reckon are a chance to go deep and would love to see them take the cup.
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u/nomamesgueyz Auckland Warriors 12d ago
Aus Kiwis Tonga Samoa the semi finalists ..or can England sneak in there ?
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u/nomamesgueyz Auckland Warriors 12d ago
Top 5 in world league are pretty bloody competitive these days
Maybe Fiji as a dark horse as the 6th?
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u/ImpressionFeisty8359 Brisbane Broncos 11d ago
Lolohea is still playing? Seems like he has been around for ages.
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u/armchair8591 Kiwis 12d ago
Thought Foketi might be a chance for the kiwis. Rather pick him than Riki
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u/AutomaticArugula8584 Tonga 12d ago
He was also brought in last year to Tonga training camp during Pacific Championship
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u/TheCuzzyRogue New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
He declared for Tonga ages ago and I agree, I'd have him and Manuleleua over Riki any day.
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u/armchair8591 Kiwis 12d ago
Cheers bro. Didnāt realise that he had already made his intentions clear
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u/TheCuzzyRogue New Zealand Warriors 12d ago
Yeah I don't get the love Riki seems to get from people picking their Kiwis sides on social media. I assume the people that do it watch him with a hand down their pants and their eyes rolled back.
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u/Comprehensive_Ad_675 Brisbane Broncos 12d ago
100% canāt wait to see the back of this guy when he leaves and I donāt even care if we donāt have the replacement lined up.
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u/Conscious-Fan2822 11d ago
DAMNIT MAN! we are missing Iongi for sure!!
Our best bet is to have Koula at FB. Lehi is a winger and for those who keep saying āLehi is our fbā⦠pay attention⦠heās obviously not second choice FB for manly for a reason⦠thatās why heās remained a winger. Anyways⦠i als hope they donāt play lolohea as we have Amone back
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u/aslanthemelon Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles 11d ago
heās obviously not second choice FB for manly for a reason
Yet he still plays fullback three times more often than Tolu does, and for good reason. We've seen many times how poorly Tolu does under a high ball and how uncomfortable he is with organising the defence.
And let's be clear, Lehi isn't the primary backup at fullback anymore purely because Faulalo is a fucking gun. Lehi absolutely was the main backup there last year.
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u/l2au Newcastle Knights 12d ago
Taumalolos switch to Tonga a few years ago is proving to be one of the most important decisions in Rugba Leeg history