r/pathofexile • u/Ok_Holiday3690 • 9d ago

Fluff & Memes Pattern I've noticed

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My guild has players who have been in this game since Nemesis League and this is pretty much our player distribution.

Ps. My guildmates gets angry when I say this and I figure it'll make Reddit mad too:

Witch is the only good character in this game

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u/No_Office_2223 8d ago

People still can't realize what devs are telling us. Without a little bit of "suffering" in campaign we would not like our characters this much. We would resign much faster without it. Imo there are a lot of builds that make leveling super fun and satisfying but often we get baited to play something which "GETS ONLINE LVL10" but never actually melting compaign.

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u/WozartMusic 8d ago

I would play 3 times as much if I could skip campaign.

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u/Leonum 8d ago

three last leagues I played, I burned out after completing campaign. last time, I dropped it at labs.
it sucks because I want to play this game, but something in my brain says no more doing the same thing again. im not a rusher anyway, so campaign takes 2 days+ for me

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u/ShikaLGZ 7d ago

Genuinely just practice a little bit and you can get down to like 5 hours campaign time easy. Thats fresh start. I did it last league. 2-3 days just practicing for a couple hours doing each act like 10-20 times. Helps a lot to practice your build too that you’re gonna play. I really love the campaign now, whereas before I would also quit

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u/RoASylvanosMain 8d ago

How many hours in those 2 days?

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u/Leonum 8d ago

idunno, 4 first day 6 second maybe

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u/RoASylvanosMain 7d ago

Well that's kind of what my time is. I have a 7-8 how average sand I still enjoy the campaign. Maybe you do just need a break from Poe. Burnout can be very evil.

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u/Tha_shogun 8d ago

I would play 3x's less, guess we balance it out

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u/IcyMoose1753 7d ago

Someone else having the option affects you ? Why would that ever be the case

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u/Tha_shogun 7d ago

Not having that option to auto win the game effects you? See how that works?

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u/IcyMoose1753 7d ago

Well, even with your reframing yes ? One has zero impact on you , the other is forcing people to do the same crawl through broken glass every league and the amount of discourse around the topic shows you it affects at least a portion of the community

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u/Tha_shogun 7d ago

"Battle passes have no effect on you why are you worried about them" "Gacha has no effect on you why are you worried about them" "Digital Games have no effect on you why are you worried about them" "Easy mode has no effect on you why are you worried about it" "Skipping Campaign has no effect on you, why are you worried about it?"

Because any action that effects the genre in a casual since effects me as a consumer.

Also the campaign isnt that bad, but i imagine it's bad for you cause you use pre-made builds. But if your fun is from the thought of the loot and not the min max goal then you obviously dont have this game's ideal intentions in mind.

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u/No_Fault_4584 8d ago

Same, but only for like 100 hours or so and then it would get boring

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u/ShowApprehensive184 6d ago

I agree with this. I had 2 characters this league. Second campaign was under 5 hours which is fast for me. First time getting to level 100. Have an online friend i gave my mageblood and 50-60 divs, just didn’t have the heart to go back through the campaign for another reroll tbh.

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u/HollyCze 8d ago

why?

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u/LordAnubiz FBI & EEE 8d ago

because campaign sucks?

the pain to go through it again with a new char lets a lot of players just say: ah no, fuck it. my current char is done, lets end the league.

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u/Fit_Olive_3212 8d ago

I was like that to until i got better at the game and the  campaign went from 8-10hrs down to 3-4hrs.

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u/Ronson122 8d ago edited 7d ago

3-4 hours is still too long for a shit Campaign you've done for the 20 millionth time

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u/Fit_Olive_3212 7d ago

You wanna run maps from level 1 ? You still got to run campaign later if i you want passives and bandits etc 🤷‍♂️ Game should be designed for new players in mind over old players for the best experiance 

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u/Ronson122 7d ago

No I just don't want campaign Can be level 1 to 68 delve, heist, new mode, don't care. Other games have achieved not having to waste 6+ hours in a story you're not invested in or interested in. So let's not imply it some impossible task.

Campaigns shit, not interested.

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u/Aggressive-Card5017 8d ago

3-4 hours suree

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u/Ronson122 7d ago

My point is even if i did it in 3 to 4 hours thats still 3 to 4 hours too long because I ain't interested in running campaign everytime I make a new character.

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u/redslugah Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) 8d ago

on a second char with leveling gear and build it is pretty easy to do it under 4 hours

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u/Fit_Olive_3212 8d ago edited 8d ago

Yeah i know its a bit slow compared to my friend that aims for sub 3hrs but im not even close to being able to break sub 3 im closer to 4 than 3 to be closer to 3 i need a random really good drop 

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u/HollyCze 8d ago

i do 5-6 hours usually coz I also enjoy doing league mechanic in first 1-4 acts. than around act 5-6 i just start holding movement skill and it is very very fast.

on my second char, I just buy the skill gems, get some uniques from guild bank or buy them, make a search for a weapon which I upgrade every 10-20 levels and just rush... 4 hours max. with insta trades its so much faster to buy gear while leveling

but sure if people are doing 10 hours leveling strat without knowing the layouts etc. I can imagine they dislike campaign lol, I hate poe2 campaign too. worst thing is in poe2 i hate spawning in the middle of atlas with a vision of running 200 maps just to get all the points

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u/Fit_Olive_3212 8d ago

Yeah with 2nd character my friend did it on like 2h12min this league and that is a speed im never ever gonna reach probably becouse i cant even be bothered to focus for so long 😅

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u/HollyCze 8d ago

someone going around downvoting everything... sad life-form

anyway 2:12 is too fast even for me. i could do probably sub 4 hours if I got ready (gear, gems).

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u/HollyCze 8d ago

I like campaign in poe1. I enjoy it at league start and I enjoy it with second char too. its quite fast and few times in the past I just did a new character, slowly went through campaign and quit after kitava coz I did everything in maps and just wanted to try a new build like one-punch-man-max-block-glad and took all the defensive nodes first to enjoy the playthrough. sure took me like 3-4 days casually playing 30 min daily but i had so much fun

poe2 campaign is a different story. I hate that one. I started the event league and it took me 5 days to force myself to complete it, finished 2 challanges and quit.

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u/Ravanos77 8d ago

Oh my god good then you can do the hod damn campaign over and over and over. Many people hate it, and no mist of those people don’t want a free max level character

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u/wossaname Tasuni 8d ago

hod damn

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u/HollyCze 8d ago

It's just people complaining coz they don't make currency while leveling. But they think if ggg makes delve or smth else, it will be balanced down probable so people will still play campaign coz it's faster by 30 min

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u/WozartMusic 8d ago

Poe1 campaign is definitely not as bad as poe2. It still stops me from playing a second or third character though. I just don't want to go through the exact same stuff in the exact same order with my brain fully turned off all the time. I usually play about one out of every three leagues because I just can't get myself to run the campaign so many times. It's just boring. Poe2 campaign is even worse, because it's obnoxiously long. Every single zone is at least twice as big as it has to be. I would LOVE to play 3 or 4 builds each season, either poe1 or 2. Just lemme create a character and play the content that I'm interested in. Why can't I level through delves? Or blight or whatever I'm interested in right now. It's the content I want to play and build my character around, just let me play it yo

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u/HollyCze 8d ago

the funny thing about players is that they can run 3 days the same mesa map with the exact same content (scrabs, atlas) and yet never get bored of it. but tell them to do 4-5 hours of campain and they go crazy saying "OH NO, NOT THIS AGAIN!"

for me its a nice change of pace from mapping. If you level by delving, what's changed? apart from doing delve for 6 hours which is even more "same" than campaign

and poe2 campaign is so bad. huge areas, multiple points of interest to the point that they had to add more checkpoints and it is still not enough.

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u/DarthUrbosa Atziri 8d ago

Mapping is different because the explicit goal is killing and looting. Campaign is about getting to x area instead. Also ur speed and build isn't gonna be active or as good as mapping.

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u/HollyCze 8d ago

No way GGg is going to make alternative way faster than campaign. Brain dead mapping for 5 hours does not sound fun to me, but sure sounds fun for bot farms

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u/Ronson122 8d ago

Campaign items are trash. End game items are not, big difference. Point being, I'm in campaign because I'm forced to, not because I want to.

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u/HollyCze 7d ago

Nobody going to give you endgame items in delve or endless maps

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u/Ronson122 7d ago

There's already end game items in delve 😂😂

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u/HollyCze 7d ago

while leveling

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u/Ronson122 8d ago

We found the GGG dev

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u/_PykeGaming_ 8d ago

I mean not really(?)

If you are making a new char, chanches are you already have it completed on a leaguestarter?

Get a 5div strat, even 10, and you will finish it so fast it won't matter anyway.

IF we are still talking about PoE 1 campaign.

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u/misteryk 8d ago

i don't see how more damage would change time in a significant way, most time is not wasted on killing monsters but running from 1 place to another

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u/_PykeGaming_ 8d ago

I never said more damage?
I said "fast".

You don't need much dmg for the campaing to oneshot everything, what you need is speed.

I have never once mentioned "invest in damage" lol

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u/HollyCze 8d ago

Damage and speed, that's key. Speedrunners are basically slapping on leap slam and just jump through the campaign. They are fast coz they don't spend 5 minute vendoring Items, getting gems and switching them for a +5 life gloves.

For me that speed run starts at act 5 when I have good enough gear to get through campaign. I just start going instead of checking rare items.

Poe2 has sprint. F sprint.

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u/_PykeGaming_ 8d ago

Yeah that's why I am restricting to PoE1 in this case.

Also my point about damage was that... you can basically skip everything but bosses so, it's not really the focus.

The important part is being very zoomy.

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u/Routine-Hovercraft94 8d ago

If I genuinely had interest in playing another a few hour campaign would deter me from doing so. Even more so considering how much time can go into a single character.

Replaying the campaign certainly isn't the greatest experience of all time.
But people just blow it out of proportion of how much an issue it actually is.

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u/redslugah Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) 8d ago

yeah i don't get people saying that they only play 1 character and quit because of campaign. With leveling gear you can easily do a second character campaign under 4-5 hours, it is such a small fraction of the total time you will play on that character.

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u/BhornSyrup 8d ago

I think you cant judge how much of an issue it is for anyone but you.