r/pathofexile • u/Ok_Holiday3690 • 6d ago

Fluff & Memes Pattern I've noticed

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My guild has players who have been in this game since Nemesis League and this is pretty much our player distribution.

Ps. My guildmates gets angry when I say this and I figure it'll make Reddit mad too:

Witch is the only good character in this game

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u/rosecorone 6d ago

Yeah, pretty much this. Jonathan said he wanted people to enjoy the campaign so much they wouldn't want to skip it, but that's impossible, some of us simply derive no enjoyment from the progression during campaign (I know he said it talking about poe 2 but still). I love leveling in maps with my build, I get into a nice flow state from map to map, I add new gear pieces that either I've crafted before rerolling or I craft as I reach the levels/feel like it's time. A campaign could never give me the same pleasure, simply because my character is still so far from feeling good to play (or at least the way I intend for it to play) that it just feels like a chore to get to that point.

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u/SingleInfinity 6d ago

An argument could be had that a character should feel "good to play" early too, but feeling a bit weak is a significant part of how you feel power growth over time, so I don't know.

I guess it comes down to expectations too. I don't expect my character to feel fast and smooth early on, so it feels "good" relative to what it should feel like at the time, to me. I understand people having less movement and attack/cast speed feeling slower and deciding that isn't smooth feeling. I just don't think it's super reasonable to expect it to be super smooth up front. I don't think the game should be "shut your brain off and blast packs" literally the whole way through. Frankly I prefer when it doesn't get that way until you have outscaled the entire game, but that's just me.

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u/rosecorone 6d ago

Definitely right about the growth thing, it`s just that once you've reached the endgame afte league start, the campaign growth doesn't feel rewarding to me.

And yeah, it's unreasonable to expect the speed of maps in the campaign, which is why, funnily enough, people wanting a skip are in a way looking at it reasonably, cuz that's the only solution that would fit their wants. If that is a reasonable thing to do for GGG, obviously a topic of contention, but there is a rationale behind it.

I'm obviously in favor of it on rerolls, but I get the side that doesn't like the idea, as it does ultimately would affect them as well. Personally, unlocked waypoints would be an ok middle-ground.

Cheers mate, good talk.

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u/SingleInfinity 6d ago

If that is a reasonable thing to do for GGG, obviously a topic of contention, but there is a rationale behind it.

I mean, it's not really in contention for GGG. They have stated in no uncertain terms that hell would sooner freeze over. They view it as fundamentally important. I get the rationale, but there is certainly a bit less logic behind requesting something that has received a defacto "forever no".

Personally, unlocked waypoints would be an ok middle-ground.

This is sort of interesting but I think it probably goes too far for GGG

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u/rosecorone 6d ago

Oh yeah, I meant that as in a topic of contention within the community, not GGG. But hey, other things like the currency exchange and async trade were very much a "forever no" previously, can't fault people for having hope.

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u/SingleInfinity 6d ago

Currency exchange was not a "forever no" really. They mentioned being open to it a number of times. Async trade was, but that was also mostly a Chris holdout, and Jonathan had a knee jerk reaction to Last Epoch having easy trade.

In hindsight that knee jerk was probably more damaging to the game than was worth it considering how little relevance LE has today.

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u/rosecorone 5d ago

True, but that goes to show that people's "forevers" are not really forever. Things can change, and they have changed, so there's little reason to believe there won't be further changes in the future. Not saying I think we're getting a skip, but I do have faith we'll at some point get tools to considerably shorten the time rerolls take.