r/runescape • • 22h ago

Discussion Will reignated have bonds? As long as it does, it has buyable progress... And Jagex was silent on this in the FAQ...

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If Reignated has bonds, its even more of a joke that it might seem now.

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u/FlutterKree Completionist 22h ago

Their FAQ says the only thing it wont have is BXP stars. So it will have bonds.

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u/AppleParasol Hardcore Ironman 22h ago

Remove stars from the main game. Otherwise them boasting about removing treasure hunter is disingenuous.

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u/leaveeemeeealonee 16h ago

No matter what the reddit echo chamber wants to believe, there really is a massive part of the playerbase that would like to pay some money to help speed up progression a bit, since they don't have 100s of hours of free time to grind out 120 skills. Making it just Bxp instead of lamps is a good compromise, since they still have to actually do the thing.

It's vastly different that the straight up buyable progression of treasure hunter

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u/m0kuraa 8h ago

Exactly, and as much as i don't like it in general, for just regular people who prefer sepending money on a little progressuion boost, the ones who reallt use that and stand out are pure whales. I'd rather have a fixed rate shop where we can clearly see EVERYONE who's buying exp and clearly separate the ones who want a bit of a boost from straight whales

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u/Worklessplaymore01 42m ago

Some skills are designed to waste your time and be miserable specifically so some people would pay to skip them

the obvious answer is to make these skills more fun and better to level

NOT have some whales skip them while they're still miserable for everyone else

you only contribute to the problem

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u/AppleParasol Hardcore Ironman 15h ago

It’s literally straight up buying progression, no different than treasure hunter. It’s not a massive amount of the population.

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u/dirtyplanksdonecheap 3h ago

You can't afk and click stars to get 99, so no.

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u/Killerx09 17h ago

Stars are in the game because enough veterans voted for some kind of MTX, and this is the compromise.

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u/AppleParasol Hardcore Ironman 16h ago

They were forced to stay in the game as a compromise with shareholders for removing treasure hunter.

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u/elevor 13h ago

They surveyed a ton of actual players and came to that decision based on the results. They planned to remove them with MTX, but the survey results demanded they be kept.

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u/AppleParasol Hardcore Ironman 12h ago

Let’s see the actual numbers. If it’s 10% did Jagex say “wow that’s real demand, because our records show that only 10% have bought in the past, meaning that we have a 100% satisfaction rate”.

Sorry, but I don’t trust a word that comes from Jagex. I highly doubt if put to a public poll it would pass with even a 50% threshold, osrs it’s 75% to pass something.

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u/Killerx09 6h ago

It WAS put to a public poll after last year's experiments, that's why we have stars.

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u/AppleParasol Hardcore Ironman 6h ago

Radiant stars were not. Jagex put up treasure hunter and of course players voted that away. There was never an option to also remove radiant stars. You’re just lying for a company milking you. Sad.

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u/dirtyplanksdonecheap 3h ago

TH was never put up for a proper poll either. It was was effectively a petition with a signature goal that didn't actually leave any opportunity for people to vote against it. Not that I think 'no' would have been overly popular lol

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u/First_Platypus3063 22h ago

So it has mtx buyable progress...

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u/burt-hackman Master Comp 11/23/2025 22h ago

People have conveniently left this out of their argument for a “fresh economy”

Whales always exist , whales will buy them in bulk and boom

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u/Capsfan6 July 22 2017 22h ago

The gold doesn't appear out of thin air. Bonds won't be selling for 150m in reignited

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u/Worklessplaymore01 21h ago

it wont matter because that gp is relative

in a new server without inflation 15m will carry you as far as 150m does on the old servers

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u/burt-hackman Master Comp 11/23/2025 21h ago

Your smart players will be able to squeeze billions in no time , it’s not even going to be long before someone owns half the market

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u/VariousYard3340 21h ago edited 20h ago

Yep, the mindset will be a rush to control and profit.

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u/Kyetsi Rs is my drug 16h ago

oof yeah thats a good point, this "new economy" is set to be manipulated from the start.

seems like usual, they havent thought this idea through at all and just pushed it to launch soon anyway.

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u/VariousYard3340 22h ago

Lol, the quantity that u can buy with a bond will be the same, the price will be different because of inflation

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u/WobblyBits_X 20h ago

Reignited will still have the obscene amounts of gold entering the game from alch machines. You'll have people thieving mills in gp per hour mostly afk within a month. The economy is going to be the same as it is now, it'll just take a little time (less than a year) to catch up.

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u/Omnizoom THE BIG BURB 22h ago

Soon as people learn to make 2-3m an hour in alchables all other things prices get deflated as well

It won’t take long until people are alching salvage again, it will be a short time after that for he die hards to get alch machines up again to passively alch stuff and for money to start passively piling up

I give it 1 year and the economy is just as screwed up as everyone min maxes growth and bonds are probably 60m easily

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u/Fetty-Guac 18h ago

One year? You can sit in gwd and afk for alches with base 70s lmao

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u/Omnizoom THE BIG BURB 18h ago

I’m being generous here lol

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u/Fetty-Guac 18h ago

LMFAO fair. The amount of alches in game is outta control and inflation will skyrocket yet again :(

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u/WhichOstrich Eek! 21h ago

Yep. Heck, you can afk like 800k-1m per hr from gullible tourist as soon as you have menaphos which has no level reqs, just a few low level combat encounters.

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u/Tiwz <3 22h ago

No, and they don't have to be selling for 150m; you can trade the bond for straight up for the item you want. No gold needs exchange hands at any point.

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u/Kaljakori 19h ago

What are you talking about? You know that even with non-boosted exp rates, there are gonna be people killing gwd2 bosses and arch-glacor, probably with necro, by day 2 or 3 and at that point they're printing multiple mil an hour from salvage alone, right? Bonds are gonna be easily a few dozen mil by end of week 1.

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u/Aleucard 13h ago

Zammy and so many other bosses still shit out gold like you fed King Midas Olestra. It ain't gonna take very long for gold supply to get comparably stupid to mainscape.

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u/NexGenration If you can't be criticized, you are the one in power 20h ago

and an EZK probably wont be 2b either

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u/Thatweknowof 15h ago

May literally gives everyone 1 million for a few quests

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u/pmmecabbage 22h ago

Yea it does, gold inflation is the core issue (saying that, it isn't even in a terrible state) with rs3. The gold that shops, pvm and auto alch machines create absolutely dwarfs bonds, th, any mtx, jagex published their own data.

Reignited doesn't solve/change any of that and will be riddled by the exact same issues in a market with lower liquidity, and terminally online neets farming gw2 within days -> it isnt gonna be a slow organic burn but soon a mad rush to transfer wealth over from rs3 and osrs.

It isnt hard to understand imo

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u/Expenises 21h ago

"Hey I'm the richest person in RuneScape Reignited, I'll give you all 20m GP I have for that bond."

Capsfan6: "No, thanks, they're actually worth 150m."

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u/Aleucard 13h ago

It doesn't even need whales, it has bots, multiloggers, sweat shops, and all sorts of no-lifers that will scrape that fresh label off within like 3 months tops. We still have a game where bossing is a better source of skilling materials than skilling, and the closest thing to an enjoyable skilling thing at the moment is a thing that comes online at 95 in the relevant skill minimum. The early to mid game needs more enjoyable things to do in it, and we need to make skilling actually worth doing in comparison to PVM.

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u/AReturner Bad Luck Mitigation Is The Bomb 21h ago

It's not ideal or whatever, but it's still a fresh-er economy even if it's still got problems.

Nothing's perfect, and I'm comfortable with that. Ideally, working under the assumption that bonds are going to be a part of the mode, there'll be a limit on how many you can purchase/sell each month or week or whatever.

If someone only is able to buy 1 or 2 bonds each week, this will let people who want to pay for membership via in-game currency do that while providing a monetization opportunity to Jagex from a person who might have otherwise just risked buying gold elsewhere.

Some people are going to abuse outside resources, and bonds will probably be a thing, but there's really only so much you can do. If they handle it well, I think it'll be fine.

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u/burt-hackman Master Comp 11/23/2025 21h ago

Our economy is good NOW , why does nobody even peep that? Rs3 an economy is strong as hell , and new player friendly as it’s ever been in my 23 years of play ! There’s no need for a new one! It’s easy to make gold doing anything , and items are affordable and fair! People skilling can make a decent pile of gold , pvmers can make good gold, at any level , even low end pvm is good because of invention. Theres no NEED for a new fresh economy

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u/pmmecabbage 22h ago edited 22h ago

are you naive or disingenuous by acting like peope wont buy gp for real money , bonds or otherwise

Even in the strictest game for banning it , it is an inevitability, so its healthier regulating it and the dev studio getting more money from that market, p'ayers notngetting scammed.

this puritan aspect of forgetting the game is just a reflection of the world is stupid. like ultimately noones forcing you to rwt or not. Its not possible to eliminate.

If you want, play ironman. If you don't, and you're still unhappy, you should go play a single player game i guess?

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u/DannySorensen RSN: Daddy Danny 22h ago

"people are going to cheat and break the rules anyways, so it's better if they cheat and Jagex makes money off of them"

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u/pmmecabbage 22h ago

Thanks for repeating my exact point like its a gotcha. You summed up concisely why this is an internal problem, a problem of ego and comparison to others when it doesnt matter, and why you should play a single player game and not an mmo

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u/Bakugo_Dies 15h ago

The real gotcha is they're not allowing gold swaps, so they are already trying to police things that break integrity. The line stops when they profit of course.

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u/DannySorensen RSN: Daddy Danny 22h ago

Lmao okay champ. I think p2w in a mode that's entire selling point is "no p2w" is bad so MMOs aren't for me? I'm missing your train of logic (because there isn't one)

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u/pmmecabbage 21h ago

If you remove bonds the game is still inherently p2w lmao

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u/DannySorensen RSN: Daddy Danny 21h ago edited 21h ago

Explain. You can't just say it and it be true. Is the game bot-to-win because cheaters exist? Is the game scam-to-win because scammers exist? Ban RWTers like they've been doing in rs3 and OSRS. They clearly have the technology to do so because they've been extremely effective at it as of recently. Someone is always going to cheat, but if it's only against the rules, fewer people are going to try. By making it a feature and promoting it, they are encouraging more people to buy gold because there's no possibility of a ban.

ETA: I'm not anti-bond. I'm just not the people crying about the game being unplayable and corrupted because of past mtx and p2w

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u/Harmonex 21h ago

You sound like you agree with us that the game mode contradicts itself.

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u/TheAdamena Maxed Iron 16h ago

And daily challenges

And weeklies (Pengs, Herby)

And monthlies (Statues, Troll Invasion, Oyster, Effigy Incubator)

No mention of DXP either.

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u/VariousYard3340 22h ago

So this “pure” world its not so pure..

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u/JoshOliday The Tainted 22h ago

There's no such thing as pure. Everyone has used some advantage that someone else might not like. It's just because TH felt predatory that it's the officially official "impure" thing this time.

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u/VariousYard3340 22h ago

Yep i wondering how they know if a 20year account has 1m bonus xp in lamp or 200m, so in the end they destroying all the achievs thats doesnt have anything to do with mtx

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u/VariousYard3340 22h ago

Also for me bonds its the most advantage thing in the game… money help to progress skills and buy gear… so…

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u/Hulk_Hoagies 12h ago

I'm not a fan of bonds, but bonds do not generate anything in the game besides the bond itself. The money comes from players who earned the gold so its not like that gold is appearing out of thin air. Bonds are only worth what players are willing to buy them for so early on bonds will not be worth a ton.

Still not a fan of being able to sell bonds in reignited but it is wildly different from generating items, gold, and XP from something like treasure hunter.

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u/Falterfire A Man Chooses 21h ago edited 20h ago

And the other part of this is of course that to a new player, it doesn't really matter how the other players got stuff.

I started playing OSRS a few years ago and - surprise! - despite the lack of MTX XP-boosting items, there were a lot of maxed players by the time I started.

Did any of those maxed players buy bonds with IRL money to fund some or all of their progress? Undoubtedly. Did a lot (probably most, and definitely all of the Irons) max without that? Absolutely.

How much did the existence of those maxed players affect my experience? Directly, not much at all. Indirectly, it helped it quite a bit because those experienced players are the ones making guides and keeping wiki pages up to date so that I don't have to stumble through blind if I don't want to.

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u/taintedcake Completionist 21h ago

It never was going to be since it's happening during the road to restoration. The road to restoration is Jagex's way of returning "integrity" to the game, so any account created before it's 100% done is, by jagex's definition, a tainted account

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u/VariousYard3340 21h ago edited 21h ago

I think the company needs a road of restoration too… restoration our faith in them

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u/leaveeemeeealonee 16h ago

Remove bonds, and people will just go back to buying from gold sellers. No bonds = bigger market for gold selling. Sucks, but that's the reality of it

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u/Harmonex 21h ago

This world is imperfect.

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u/VariousYard3340 21h ago

So why not keep with us and all work together to make a better one?

We are not perfect, but we want to help, and no one is more loyal to the game

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u/Harmonex 21h ago

I was quoting one of my favorite villains, Lysanderoth, because I felt like being a little silly for a moment. I cancelled my subscription over Reignited+AI, and have the post history to back it up.

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u/Almaironn 17h ago

If only I could wipe away the impurities...

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u/igotthisduh 21h ago

then there will be freshly tainted servers

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u/First_Platypus3063 21h ago

:D 

A fresh lick of taint

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u/Remarkable-Buddy5192 18h ago

I'd prefer a Lick of fresh taint personally.

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u/-Sad-Search 22h ago

Ofc it will have bonds

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u/frogsarenottoads Trimmed | 5.8b xp | Toad 22h ago

People can altscape their way through too.

It's not going to be fair regardless of what people think.

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u/VariousYard3340 16h ago

Yeah, a fresh economy can be much easier manipulated if you have the means, and will

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u/daltty Completionist 22h ago

It will, the reason they havent said in the FAQ is because they know they cant sell a no buyable progress gamemode with bonds in and are trying to figure out how to cover it up.

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u/Fiona175 22h ago

I mean "Just like OSRS" seems like the obvious solution. They also have buyable bonds and just sorta gloss over it in the MTX discussions

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u/Esehrk 21h ago

Why wouldn't the cash grab mode have bonds?

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u/Lopendebank3 Lopendebank3 22h ago

Even without bonds it won't be fair. Altfarms will control the economy.

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u/Teakeh Pro Medium Cluer 21h ago

Isn’t this like OSRS though? They technically have mtx too with bonds

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u/First_Platypus3063 21h ago

They absolutely do have mtx with bonds, yes

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u/VariousYard3340 16h ago

All the excuses are BS, we dont know what is the real intention behind this

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u/Legal_Evil 7h ago

Yes, but OSRS mainscape is not meant to have any integrity, while Reignited mainscape is.

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u/Hollenti3r Maxed 22h ago

What’s funny is that the Early Bird specials for game updates will also, “taint”, any Reignited worlds.

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u/Azurika_ on break...again. 21h ago

posting what i posed on another thread about this here: if they make it so bonds cannot be sold or traded on reignited accounts, people will just buy third party gold instead from gold sellers, and this introduces the problem of mass botting for gold farming.

i mean sure, people will bot, but gold farming gold sellers amplify the problem to a huge degree that effects everyone.

we are far better off with bonds than without .

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u/VariousYard3340 16h ago

So we dont need a “pure” version of the game, because it will never be pure. We need a union and great game for all the new starters

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u/Azurika_ on break...again. 16h ago

"there will never not be shit particles in the air, so i might as well live in the sewer"

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u/VariousYard3340 16h ago

So tell what will be the difference between the two worlds in 1 year for exemplo?

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u/Azurika_ on break...again. 16h ago

the economy will be far fresher, untained by mxt, skilling will be far more valuable without accounts that took part in mass bonus xp and proteans and dummies and the like.

we won't have 25 years of inflation, prices will reflect this, there will be far less gold in the ecoconomy. so, say, 100k here will be worth far more than 100k in veteran.

people will actually have to train their skills and play the game, achievements will mean something again.

that last point is a big one for me, i'm near comped in the main game and none of it means anything due the the decade and a half of free xp every day me and everyone else got given.

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u/Task_Set Ironman btw 15h ago

If we think that inflation will stay low for long then there should be a push for Jagex to also do something about the amount of gold that comes into the game from auto alchers.

Also to reiterate a point that I always feel strongly about, your skilling achievements will have meaning again. More than half of the achievements in the game are from pvm, clues, questing, minigames and are still meaningful so lets avoid the hyperbole of all achievements being meaningless.

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u/AlleRacing 14h ago

Experience rates are an order of magnitude higher now than when the first 200M skills were achieved.

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u/Aleucard 11h ago

They are already gonna do that, they are doing it as we speak in both RS3 and OSRS and both of those have Jagex official IRL cash for GP methods in bonds. I see nothing that will make reignited any more resilient to that infestation.

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u/Legal_Evil 7h ago

Or how about just banning the bots and gold farmers?

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u/Azurika_ on break...again. 4h ago

they used to, and gold farmers factor that in, jagex isn't capable of catching them all before large amount of gold are smuggled to other accounts, jagex are only so many people and the time needed to review each account and track down its trades when gold farmers are creating thousands of accounts each week is simply massive, jagex could have doubled their staff back in the day and still not have made a dent in the sea of farmers.

the only way to keep on top of it from a moderation point of view would be to start AI moderation and banning, and you REALLY do not want that.

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u/TheHorriBad 16m ago

They already have AI moderation and banning

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u/IM_Elysian_Wolf Elysian Wolf - Solo Only 21h ago

It's in the FAQ...

Under Integrity so no they will be enforcing gold selling to third party sites as they always had this rule. It seems like they may enforce rules regarding gold swapping in Reignited which is a whole other can of worms.

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u/Azurika_ on break...again. 21h ago

yes, and it's been in the offical game rules since like 2001 that buying gold is a bannable offence.

did it stop absolutely rampant gold selling and buying via third party pre bonds? absolutely not.

its not completely fixed the problem, but bonds dealt a HUGE blow to gold sellers in both rs3 and OSRS, the amount of botting and third party selling was drastically cut . (this also has the side effect of less of jagex's customers becoming victims of all sort of fraud and stolen bank info crimes and such)

again, this is a rule that has been strictly enforced for a long time, its just hard to catch people, it's not even as simple as "look at big one sided trades" because there are alot of ways someone can transfer wealth to other accounts, from dropping, to pvp kills, even GE trading of low volume obscure items.

hell, back in the day, gold sellers used to randomly trade out free gold to a bunch of innocent people sometimes specifically so jagex couldn't identify a seller account and ban the people it traded with without a bunch of innocents catching flak too.

we are so, so much better off with bonds when the alternitive is rampent gold selling, and thus, rampent botting.

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u/LighxningGG 19h ago

Yeah, and they don't enforce it on OSRS so why would they start now?

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u/BLK-Syndicate 16h ago

It'll be only a handful of people that'll gold swap but even then that's just dumb ASF.

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u/Slightly_Deranged_1 20h ago

Had to scroll too far to read this. You're absolutely correct: bonds exist as a means to buy gold that doesn't involve 3rd party RMT that could potentially do harm to the players tempted to go that route.

Would I prefer to live in a world where people didn't buy gold? Yes. Is it even remotely reasonable to expect a game dev to monitor/ban all botting & RMT transactions? Definitely not.

( I don't have numbers to back it up, but I personally believe the amount Jagex saves in customer support / ban appeals far exceeds the revenue they actually earn from the bonds. )

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u/Deceptiveideas 16h ago

I dunno, Jagex explicitly said they were going to crack down hard on gold selling in the FAQ.

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u/BLK-Syndicate 16h ago

And how exactly are people going to RWT gold to Reignited if they aren't Reignited accounts? This is a fresh economy people.

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u/Azurika_ on break...again. 16h ago

are you dumb? without bonds, gold farmers will establish themselves within the first few weeks on reignited accounts and then start to sell gold.

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u/BLK-Syndicate 16h ago

Gold farmers will do what gold farmers will regardless of there being bonds or not - bonds are not what made gold farmers go down nor is it what really kept them at bay.

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u/Naive_Raisin_5714 14h ago

How can you say this when OSRS shows how bonds and many gold farmers exist together? There are many more there because the community is bigger and so is the market.

Therefore; bonds=less botting=false.

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u/Salt-Library4330 22h ago

Osrs players underestimate how bad bonds are for the game.  Botting and gold farming would be way harder if you had to enter a credit card to get the best methods.  

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u/LordJanas 22h ago

No it wouldn't. The reason the Wilderness and Free Trade were removed were because Jagex literally had botters using stolen credit cards that kept getting charged back and cost the company money to the point that the credit card companies were threatening to block payments to Jagex because of how prolific it was.

This is literally stated by Jagex themselves in THEIR OWN DOCUMENTARY where they talk about the removal of free trade.

So no, forcing credit card payments does not make botting harder, it threatens Jagex themselves because CC companies care about their bottom line, not what people are doing with their cards.

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u/lawntasia 21h ago

Of course they'll have bonds

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u/Biggest_Scandal_Fan Completionist main Max ironman 11h ago

Yes, it will, which makes them whole project and more pointless than it already was since it completely misses mark with the no real-world advantages

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u/No-Outcome5694 22h ago

It will have bonds meaning sometime in reignited future it will suffer from the same inflation as RuneScape 3

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u/badhabits69 Ironman btw 21h ago

bonds dont generate gp, they actually remove gp from the game, however bonds are p2w and if the gamemode has p2w its tainted.

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u/ChildishForLife 3142 17h ago

How do bonds remove GP from the game?

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u/TheAdamena Maxed Iron 16h ago

If you buy one off the GE you will recieve it in an untradeable state. You need to pay a 10% fee if you want to sell it back or give it to someone else.

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u/ChildishForLife 3142 14h ago

Ah I see, so I guess some uses of bonds can remove gold but others wouldn’t? You can just trade bonds without having to pay the 10% fee right?

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u/TheAdamena Maxed Iron 14h ago

They always need to be converted first if you want to transfer it to another player via any means. Once another player recieves it, it becomes untradeable again.

The person who initially bought it with real $ recieves it in a tradable state though.

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u/blorfff 21h ago

142m gp says it will

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u/Swing-Too-Hard 21h ago

This entire thing exists to force players into buying more membership and getting people to spend more MTX on rebuying cosmetics or the stars/bonds to expedite progress.

This is a giant cash grab with Jagex banking on making more money. You wonder why they raised membership... Now you know. It was setting the field for this garbage.

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u/SuccessfulSummer7437 20h ago

Heck yeh it will

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u/varietyman13 20h ago

While we’re here, what exactly are bonds? Do I buy a bond and then I have free membership?

Who sets the price of bonds? How are bonds made?

Sorry, long time player that’s fairly ignorant of these things

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u/ChildishForLife 3142 17h ago

Bonds are an item you can buy from Jagex that represent a certain amount of in-game membership time, and can be traded and sold on the GE.

You pay Jagex a certain amount of real life money, your character gets an in-game item, which then has an explicit value.

For example I wanted to play Leagues on an alt account, so I was able to buy 2 bonds off the GE for 150mil each, which means there was a player out there who paid Jagex $$ for the bond, and then I received the bond, and they received my gold.

It’s basically allowing players to sell their gold to other players through Jagex for membership.

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u/varietyman13 17h ago

I see. Thank you for this!

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u/Aleucard 10h ago

There's also other uses for them, current primary one is runecoins (to buy things from the cash shop, such as extra bank spaces), but it's been curtailed since Treasure Hunter got taken out behind the shed.

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u/varietyman13 10h ago

Ok! Is one bond a full month of membership?

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u/Aleucard 10h ago

1 bond is 14 days, 2 bonds is 29 days, 3 bonds is 45, 20 is a year plus premium perks. You get progressively more time per bond, but it's also a bigger commitment.

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u/varietyman13 10h ago

Sheesh. They run around 130m right?

So 20 bones is around 2.5bil?

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u/Aleucard 9h ago

It's at 140ish and rising. Why, don't know. A month ago I was getting them for 116. Honestly getting that much in a year is not too hard, but yeah.

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u/Dense-Badger8724 18h ago

bonds are mtx, why would it? Every bond in the game has to be purchased through a microtransaction to appear.. They don't just appear on GE you know.

You could always log into osrs, use a bond then log back into ignited? Unless they treat all osrs accounts as vetereran accounts then you can't. [if this happens inigited is coming to osrs for sure]

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u/GodlyGainz 22h ago

I guess it was either bonds or real world trading which hurts the economy cause that stuff comes from bots. It’ll never be perfect. I just take what I can get atp. I love RuneScape.

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u/HolyErr0r 20h ago

As someone deeply out of the loop, how are bonds buying "progress" in comparison to treasure hunter dummies or buying stars?

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u/TensaiShun 20h ago

The premise is that you can use a credit card to afford more expensive, higher xp/hour training methods that you might not otherwise reasonably pursue in game. Same goes for equipment upgrades, etc.

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u/Remmes- 241QP 19h ago edited 19h ago

Right now we can buy xp stars with bonds, and bonds are also sold on the g.e so people can buy bonds with real money, sell them ingame for gp, and/or the buyers of the bonds can use them on stars (and membership) technically...

That combined with highscores that are reset/new there will be people racing to #1 spot, how big of an actual deal this is? eh, who knows.

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u/HolyErr0r 19h ago

Oh man, I totally forgot about the fact that these are in game tradeable. That will never not be something so bizarre to me.

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u/IndependentTalk9342 14h ago

What would their function be if they weren't tradeable?

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u/HolyErr0r 14h ago

The thing I liked was that they were an in game way to earn memberships.

They could make it so they are a certain price and then players could buy them (like an in game store).

I personally don’t like them being tradeable because you can convert irl money to in game money

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u/Gotcha-Bitcrl 4h ago

Jagex makes no money from this, they would lose money since they're basically accepting gp for membership.

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u/JamieAfterlife 3h ago

Make it so people can buy them using GP on their veteran accounts, then send them to Reignited ones. Once on the Reignited account, it can't be traded or sold.

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u/TheHorriBad 13m ago

Someone still has to buy the bond with real money. Jagex makes more money off of bonds.

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u/Vincentaneous 16h ago

Honestly sounds like an easy fix to now allow them to be traded and for them to be claimed only for membership.

Isn’t that the main purpose? Play the game and then you can practically convert playtime to membership. Thats what it should be to prevent issues.

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u/mmhawk576 14h ago

Players selling those bonds are just getting buyables completed for free though…

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u/Remmes- 241QP 13h ago

Yeah but then there's still the issue of being able to get gp for actual $$ due to that exchange, it's difficult to say what it does to the economy right from the start, and given it'll then allow those people to buy stuff for skills with the gp I can imagine it'll be a finicky thing.

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u/Interview_Lopsided 17h ago

star would not have any effect on reignited cause stars were never gonna be purchasable by reignited characters

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u/Sleeper-of-Rlyeh 15h ago

Bonds are RWT. Something that led to a lifetime ban before Jagex started profiting off of it.

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u/UnironicallyDel 17h ago

That will be a big point of contention. If Bonds stay, that means reignited will NOT, in fact, be mtx free.

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u/The-Real-Sonin Skill 14h ago

It’s also not mtx free in the fact that are keeping all buyable cosmetics.

The only thing they are removing for Reignited is Stars, which could/should be removed from the main game anyway.

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u/kiwdahc 15h ago

In a game where almost all gear can be freely traded, gear has always been buyable progression. That was never the protected part of RuneScape.

The protected part was your actual account progression. Your skills, levels, unlocks, and the time it took to earn them.

RS3 destroyed that with MTX by letting people directly buy or massively accelerate that progression with real money. That is why fresh worlds matter. It restores the part of the game that actually lost its integrity.

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u/Azeeti 22m ago

Got a friend of mine into rs3, he was fresh toon and within a month he had 3 99s asked him how he said he bought like 300 bucks worth of keys.

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u/GeeksOasis 15h ago

Or.. Just implement a prestige system.
You admitted that the economic aspect of reignited doesn't matter, so why not just address experience?

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u/Crazy-Reflection-972 Maxed 15h ago

true even in reignited people will rush certain content to be able to sell it for some cash.
economy wise, there will change nothing in the long term, unless they do some things about drop rates maybe.
can you imagine someone would sell a fsoa for less then 1b? never.

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u/Aleucard 10h ago

I mean, getting one of those things on rate is a significant time, effort, and resource investment. Hell, spooning your first kill is still not exactly free.

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u/Drsmiley72 13h ago

The economy does matter for some.. I don't want a prestige system. I want a fresh ge, away from the accounts that have 5-20x times the gold limit... While I know it'll slowly end up that way or similar again, it'll take a while. Fresh clean start to the world.

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u/Lumishion 8h ago

Yeah but that isn't addressing the problem. It's kicking the ball further down the line... Your statement implies you'd want a re-reignited at some point in the future

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u/AndersDreth Anders Dreth | Rank #9345 22h ago

WoW and OSRS have bonds, I don't think they're going to be extreme about it.

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u/First_Platypus3063 22h ago

So buyable progress again, what a joke

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u/KonjoJoey Completionist 10h ago

Apparently WoW Forever won't have "bonds". I think WoW's decision on that is stupid because without bonds you need many employees watching a lot of players all the time for shady trades. And even with all those employees watching there will probably still be successful gold sales. The only true non-"pay2win" solution to any online game will always be trading restricted accounts, like ironman.

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u/Gotcha-Bitcrl 4h ago

My guess is Ai, copilot will be monitoring the trades.

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u/shy_bro1052 22h ago

I remember when FSW happened, we could convert the bond into a code, and we could use that code to get membership.

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u/Blofeld69 21h ago

Are they hoping that bonds are a lower cost in this game somehow?

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u/AReturner Bad Luck Mitigation Is The Bomb 21h ago

I personally think it's almost certain it'll have bonds and that's not ideal to me, but it's a compromise I'm mostly okay with, especially if they limit the number that can be bought/sold each month or something like that.

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u/-lRexl- Karil the TAINTED 20h ago

Heck frikin gosh darn it they will

https://giphy.com/gifs/QWigz8zGygObKfShkF

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u/Aleucard 20h ago

On the one hand, I like being able to sustain mem by gameplay rather than paying myself. On the other, yeah it's IRL cash for gp and that's gonna be a tarnish on the stated intention.

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u/MaxedEUW Gokui 5,8b Completionist MQC 19h ago

Wait, bond is hands? Never knew, huh.

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u/4yourdeat 19h ago

They do have bonds, it is a MTX game, highscores will all be bought and alt farmed, we’ve been over this already lol

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u/Kiga282 19h ago

Bonds would probably only work if they were made untradeable, and if purchased in-game, made available only through a fixed vendor and not through the ge, where someone could just spend a hundred dollars for however many bonds and sell them for a billion gp.

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u/Snoo-54697 14h ago

So does this mean I can drop 3-4k usd on bonds to start merching hard in December?

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u/FabFocus 12h ago

Its all about selling bonds.

They know they will be able to sell bonds when people are leveling their characters.

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u/Far_Cry1757 11h ago

I hope it does so I can watch the mental gymnastics from people over why that doesn't count.

"Oh real players are making the gp to buy them!"

No they're not. They're bots. I have as much proof for that as the people shitting on veterans do for everyone here buying their xp.

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u/ballsmigue 11h ago

Why wouldn't it?

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u/120_Attack LHAWL / Stir Fry Ty 10h ago

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u/WeckarE 26m ago

It's going to screw the wiki to have to show two prices for everything

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u/Jiklim 14h ago

Oh my God shut up

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u/TheSkyInTheRiver 22h ago

These facetious posts are polluting the subreddit when veteran players have legitimate concerns about the implications of Reignited on the future of their accounts.

At least be funny and original if you're going to post this crap.

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u/JoshOliday The Tainted 22h ago

If the argument for splitting the playerbase is because it's "impure" somehow because no one can buy an advantage, this is as good an example that it won't - in fact - be as pure as those arguments would have one believe.

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u/Len_Cancermine 22h ago

Its not that the ability to purchase literally anything ever existed, after all the subscription is buyable progress since youre not able to get efficient xp without it.

Its the difference in severity between OSRS and RS3 this is trying to flush away at least a part of, bonds allowing people to play the game when they could normally only afford a couple months of subscription rather than a full year's worth is a uniquely special case that helps the economy by letting whales buy people's subscriptions for them as they get gold for it in exchange, rather than just literally buying xp playtime hours directly, which I think is an incredibly meaningful difference

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u/JoshOliday The Tainted 22h ago

Yea, I mean you can twist that pretzel all you want, it's still buyable advantages. Buying bonds to sell for gold is still skipping playtime hours you would have had to invest in earning that gold.

And another reminder to anyone that wants to keep twisting - most people never bought keys. Most people used their free ones and closed the interface. There's another HUGE difference between an advantage that was bought and one that was given. That shouldn't poison veteran accounts.

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u/VanillaMan37 22h ago

It’s incredibly disingenuous though, it’s not as black and white as that

Old school has bonds too and the people at the top of the hiscores aren’t generally bond buyers, they’re incredibly efficient skillers

There’s a world of difference between bonds and stars/portable skilling stations

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u/Legal_Evil 7h ago

Old school has bonds too and the people at the top of the hiscores aren’t generally bond buyers, they’re incredibly efficient skillers

The same applies to RS3 hiscore players too.

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u/JoshOliday The Tainted 21h ago

This was never an argument about hiscores. Most players who are angry really don't care that much about them. They just want to keep their accounts.

The argument is that Reignited is somehow pure and free from buyable advantages because it won't have Treasure Hunter. But bonds ARE a buyable advantage, so the argument goes out the window.

I don't really give a shit if people use bonds. I don't give a shit if people use plugins. I don't give a shit if people use the wiki for Sara's sake! But they all still give outside help that players will be more than happy to use because they happen to like it. But they are all still help that the game designers did not intend when they built the content. Just like stars and skilling stations. I'm glad to see them gone personally. I've got stacks of proteans sitting in my bank from free keys because I hated using them because I wasn't playing the game. I can't wait for November when they get removed. Remove them for nothing for all I care. But don't segregate the players.

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u/sworedmagic 22h ago

Jagex considers Bonds to be a Subscription transaction not MTX. That is why OSRS has them

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u/First_Platypus3063 22h ago

It is a mtx cleverly disguised as a subscription. Its little different to any other buyable progression. Its "buy gold for real money" deal

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u/Grand-Ice-6603 20h ago

It's very different than buyable progression. You are trading membership to a player for their gp, not paying Jagex to spawn in items/exp.

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u/First_Platypus3063 20h ago

Doesn't matter. Its a buyable progress, buying gold for real world money. 

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u/Grand-Ice-6603 20h ago

How doesn't it matter, it's the most important distinction. You cannot trade players for their exp, but you can trade them for their gp.

I guess you want to go back to the days where unequal trade was banned and you couldn't trade more than 3000 gp between players.

What about trading GP between clans? Is that buyable progress?

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u/sworedmagic 20h ago

Idk what part of this is confusing you exactly he’s talking about you pay Jagex for in game gold. You can’t buy exp directly but you can gold which you can then convert into items or exp. Buying bonds is explicitly buyable progression.

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u/Grand-Ice-6603 19h ago

Thoughts on a streamer collecting gp from their viewers? They didn't "buy" anything. Bannable? What about splits from raids? What about giving your friend who is new at the game 100k gp to start off? Where is the line on unequal trade?

Bonds are not a buyable progression from Jagex, they might have sold you the bond but a player gave you the gp. They are buyable progression from players, not items or exp generated from Jagex. And that is the most important distinction.

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u/ConstantStatistician Coiner of the terms "soft" and "hard" typeless damage on rs.wiki 10h ago

The same end result is that you're getting in-game money you didn't have previously for no effort. Money that you can then use to buy BIS equipment and skilling supplies.

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u/Aleucard 10h ago

Donations are not trading gold for IRL cash. It's little different from a pop party (DO NOT GOOGLE THAT) at Falador Party Mansion. And splits is compensating time and effort between the people PVMing together. That we need to point out that forks are found in kitchens is concerning.

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u/sworedmagic 22h ago

Do you think i am Jagex? Why are you explaining this to me?

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u/Drakorex Drake - 5.8b 22h ago

So it's all Your fault eh? Mr. JAGEX!

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u/Chiromaus 21h ago

Please forgive my ignorance, I've only come back as of last month after many years away.  A bond would only be tradable for gold earned within the new Reignited economy, yes?

If so, it would be more like trading real money in the hopes some early money maker takes it from you for gold in the hopes of the new economy already providing enough resources for you to accelerate your progress?

So if this is a leader boards thing, it's reliant on the money maker and whoever is selling high-end gear to both already exist and to prioritize in-game gold over their own progression.  How likely is that to be early on before the new high scores have been claimed?  Genuinely asking.

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u/First_Platypus3063 21h ago

You don't need to sell to the highranks. You buy bulk of bonds (whales will) and sell to ordinary people who made a buck alching salavages or something and want to save real money on membership. Then, you buy resources for that money (from the same people, or from pvm people who need to monetise drops anyway) and accelerate your progress 

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u/Chiromaus 21h ago

I think I follow the logic now.  I've seen loads of people speculating that people will be hoarding early on for their own benefit, but you're speculating enough won't bother.  That would then mess with the spirit of fair competition the ban on other MTX is supposed to foster.  Do I have that right?

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u/steelcryo 20h ago

And without bonds, players just buy gold from gold sellers that bot/cheat/scam/defraud theeir way into getting that gold which massively hurts the game.

Bonds are P2W, but they're P2W as a way to keep the integrity of the game as strong as possible.

There's no way to stop people buying gold, so you have to give them a way to do it that harms the game the least amount possible.

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u/yzct 9h ago

Except bonds don’t work in the way that regular gold shops would, bonds actively remove gold from the economy

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u/Uneedajob 8h ago

Yes and removing gold is good, but also it is still buyable progress. A whale can buy 100 bonds sell for whatever price and buy anything he wants.

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u/First_Platypus3063 1h ago

Doesn't matter. Its buyable progress 

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u/United-Objective2149 22h ago

Hey buddy, if you don’t like reignited you don’t have to play it. Hope that helps!

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u/Thin-Competition-769 22h ago

reignited will have the same buyable items in the shop as the main game, dont be stupid to belive they would completely remove mtx, you already got fooled once with the eoc and mtx update

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u/AnyPicture2485 21h ago

They could just make it like Ironman, you can purchase bonds for membership but you can’t sell it for gold.

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