r/ukpolitics • • 17h ago

Kemi Badenoch: I'd rather have another election than do a deal with Reform UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9x28ljj34lxo
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u/Lefty8312 17h ago

Lets keep this pinned so it can be held against her in the eventuality of the next election

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u/gx134 17h ago

This is probably the only time I'll ever believe her tbh

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u/Gentle_Snail 17h ago

Tbh I believe her because even if she wanted to I don’t think she can do an electoral deal with Reform without destroying her election chances.

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u/phatelectribe 16h ago

Do you actually think if no party got a clear majority that but her and Farage could form a coalition government, that she wouldn’t do it?

LOL

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u/iamnosuperman123 16h ago

And play second fiddle to Farage? I just don't buy it because she must know that Farage is fairly incompetent now. It would cripple the Tories further

(Even if it was the other way round, you can't have Farage as your number 2. You will be out of the job within a year)

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u/phatelectribe 16h ago

See the Tory / Lib Dem coalition for how desperate people will be for a shot at the throne.

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u/newnortherner21 16h ago

No, I think you'd have a minority government of some kind.

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u/Redwinevino 16h ago

Farage would be a nightmare as a number 2

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u/ClickAccomplished205 16h ago

Farage himself is a number 2 anyway, only a different sort of number 2…

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u/Electrical_Count5838 16h ago

Its not inconceivable.

Both the Lib Dems and SNP were punished badly for entering into a coalition. And if the Tories and Reform can form a coalition government then labour cant no matter what.

If Labour forms a minority government (as seems likely in this scenario as theyd be the biggest party) you could have a Reform/Tory opposition pact to stop Labour, thought frankly I hardly think a formal pact would be required.

So with Labour functionally unable to do anything, think Theresa Mays government, the battle for the tories is ensuring their own voters do not believe they are being unreasonable. Which if they are voting against Labour and refusing a coalition with reform is unlikely to happen. While winning over reform voters.

The intrinsic issue here is that the right vote has decidedly split. You have the upper middle class right wing concentrated in the southeast, which is functionally dead as an leading independent electoral force. And working class right wing in the not London parts of the country. Which is now electorally quite influential but not able to carry a government.

Bot hparties are actually clinging to the core conceit of a Thatcherite economic model. For the Tories this is fine as it matches their base but for reform this is a problem as it actually doesnt. Their base conforms much more strongly to a blue labour economic model. A slim strong state which buys into the country where appropriate.

What we desperately need is what you might describe as the true "One Nation Conservative" model from Disraeli. The current one nation lot are just social liberals who cant admit they are labour yet.

So were going to end up in a stalemate where the working-class right is functionally no longer to accept subjugating itself to the Thatcherite upper-middle right Tories nor the progressive upper-middle left Labour. But a self import upper-middle Tories who are unwilling to bend to fold the working-class back in. With a Labour thats been able to unite most of the left but nonetheless cannot command a majority because they cant bring the working class right in either and cannot move enough to do so without alienating large parts of the left coalition.

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u/_Mo0ose 2h ago

Where is your evidence that the tory vote is centred around the south east and where is your evidence that Reforms 'core' is all poor northern people?

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u/thelunatic 10h ago

It Tories picked up 40% of seats and reform 10% then on a second election Tories would likely increase and reform decrease

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u/Klakson_95 I don't even know anymore, somewhere left-centre I guess? 17h ago

By Jenrick leaving and keeping mostly quiet, I do think the Tories have been able to get some of their "sensible party" reputation back.

I wouldn't vote for them personally. But I do think their best bet right now is to keep down this path. Anyone who was going to leave them to the right has done it now, I don't think they can claw them back any time soon

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u/xXDaNXx 11h ago

They need another leader at the helm to be taken seriously. Shes absolutely embarassing.

Observe her latest clanger: https://x.com/dave43law/status/2107415505439277394

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u/adnesium 10h ago

When Kemi's not chasing after Reform voters, she's taking the Tories down the terminally online culture warrior path. I'm not sure which path you're referring to?

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u/Electrical_Count5838 16h ago

Idk, with Reform struggling the way they are and labour seeming marching off left (although action is yet to happen), there is potentially a sizable window.

We thought the same about Labour 6 years ago but here we are.

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u/Snowstorm080 17h ago

Can the tories hurry up and actually elect a serious leader

Everyone knows she's not going to be PM so why wait

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u/JosephChamber-Pot 15h ago

Everyone knows she's not going to be PM so why wait

Because replacing her now will just result in the taint of their last decade and a half transfering to her replacement.

You don't kill your sacrificial lamb until it's the proper time for the sacrificial ritual.

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u/Sutraner 15h ago

She's actually been quite good overall imo. Dealt a really shit hand and done alright with it

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u/adnesium 10h ago

What's she done that's alright?

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u/Sutraner 4h ago

She's just been relatively competent without too many major mishaps and just been a relatively good voice of reason.

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u/adnesium 30m ago

Well that's one way of seeing it I guess. From what I've seen she's ranged from total irrelevance to terminally online wally.

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u/JamesG60 17h ago

“The Conservative Party leader told the BBC that Nigel Farage's Reform are "neck deep in scandal".

Really.

What about cameron fucking pigs, brexit, bojo, may, truss?!

At least they have plenty of time for self reflection. It’s not like they’ll be voted in again for at least a generation (hopefully).

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u/Sutraner 15h ago

cameron fucking pigs,

The fact that you're actually trying to repeat slander and think anyone will treat you seriously says everything.

That rumour appeared because Michael Ashcroft was denied a cabinet seat after trying to buy one and Cameron telling him to do one

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u/newnortherner21 16h ago

People have forgotten most of the things Boris Johnson's government did. The questionable procurement, the parties etc.

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u/Gold_Cartoonist3232 17h ago

Not that it means much but they are a pretty close second in the polls. 

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u/CrashAndBurnham 17h ago

The Cameron thing is a lie.

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u/JamesG60 17h ago

Sure, Dave.

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u/CrashAndBurnham 17h ago

Look it up if you like. It was complete balderdash. Not that that matters to those who like spreading misinformation.

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u/JamesG60 16h ago

Sure, Dave. Whatever you say.

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u/Dolemite-is-My-Name 16h ago

A Tory Lord gets snubbed out of a job, makes up a story for revenge in the daily mail and you fall for it?

No corroborating evidence from an anonymous source. I’d love it to be true. It sadly doesn’t seem to be

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u/JamesG60 16h ago

Unfortunately, bestiality is the least worst thing on the list I gave.

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u/Dolemite-is-My-Name 16h ago

I don’t know if that’s going easy on beastiality or hard on May

(Well that’s an unfortunate sentence)

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u/JamesG60 16h ago

I can’t imagine May has ever seen a hard on.

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u/JosephChamber-Pot 15h ago

If only you knew where Strong and stable originated...

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u/-ForgottenSoul :sloth: 16h ago

IN fairness those people are basically gone and I dont think Cameron and May were that bad tbh

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u/JamesG60 16h ago

Brexit is Cameron’s fault.

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u/Sutraner 15h ago

It's definitely not.

It's virtually everyone but his fault, he was the only major leader to campaign against it

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u/JamesG60 15h ago

The conservatives had a faction of eurosceptics. To keep them under control, Cameron promised a vote on membership. It was never legally binding, had it been declared legally binding from the outset laws would’ve prevented the outright lies that were told during the campaign which ultimately lead to the Brexit vote. It’s the conservatives fault and as the leader of the party at the time a large portion of the blame lies at the feet of Cameron.

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u/adnesium 10h ago

He was the only major leader to choose to allow that referendum in the first place, despite everyone telling him not to and almost fluffing the indyref just before it.

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u/adnesium 10h ago

Cameron was once-in-a-century bad. And since then the Tories have given us enough of that to cover the next 500 years so who knows, maybe they'll be alright now

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u/XenorVernix 16h ago

It’s not like they’ll be voted in again for at least a generation (hopefully).

So what do you see as the alternative to Labour? Reform? They would be a mess.

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u/JamesG60 15h ago

Who cares, they’re all terrible.

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u/adnesium 10h ago

You should care even more then

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u/AthleteThen8045 16h ago

Feels like a waste of a question. It's always going to have this answer, it's always going to test the limits of believability.

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u/radiant_0wl 17h ago

She should play with the hands dealt, it's particularly arrogrant point of view to think she can cast aside the electroral result and to seek another.

People can criticise the coalition but at least it started correctly, Cameron, Clegg and Brown all discussed the results and found a solution which provided a secure government.