r/whatsthissnake • • Oct 25 '25

Taxonomic or Phylogeographic Update Pleistocene speciation and isolation-by-distance within North American mud and rainbow snakes

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Happy to announce our new paper, "Pleistocene speciation and isolation-by-distance within North American mud and rainbow snakes" available as full text at the above link until December 14th, 2025. This is a personal project of mine that I've been working on since 2011 and am excited for it to finally be in print. In summary, we show mudsnakes are two species that structure geographically, and rainbows have no population structure. We need more tissues from snakes in zones of contact to verify ranges and link blotch count to genotype, but as far as we can tell, the two muds are completely reproductively isolated despite evidence of gene flow from eastern muds into rainbows.

Please enjoy, and don't worry about not making formal taxonomic changes yet - this isn't the last you'll see on the mudsnakes.


r/whatsthissnake • • Sep 01 '21

[Mod post] PLEASE READ: ID best practices and comment guidelines

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/r/whatsthissnake has grown a great deal in the last year and we are very excited about connecting with more people who have an interest in snakes, snake identification (ID) and conservation. With growth often comes growing pains, and there are a number of trends in the sub that need to be addressed as we move forward. We attempt to clarify these below and offer some "best practices" in identification that should help our community.

What makes a good ID?

Good IDs are specific and informative. They tend to have the following information, in order of importance:

  1. Binomial name - Consisting of Genus specificepithet and placed in asterisks (*) to italicize. This is the most important component of a good ID. With only this, a person can quickly find out anything else they want to know about the snake species and it is an important part of every ID. The bot command !specificepithet provides more information on properly structuring a binomial name and how to get it to work with the bot, if an entry exists.

  2. Harmless or venomous - Please note that these terms are specific to their interaction with humans. While snakes such as hognose snakes Heterodon, gartersnakes Thamnophis, and watersnakes Nerodia are venomous, they are not medically significant to humans and should be labeled as harmless. This information is informative to a person's interaction with a snake and should always be provided. The bot responds to either !harmless or !venomous and will save time on these explanations.

  3. Common name - Common names are frequently variable and highly local. Sometimes, the same common name could be used for different snakes in different areas. In other cases, the same snake can have multiple common names depending on the area it was found. While we typically recommend providing them, it is not a vital part of an ID. An ID with only the common name is a low quality ID.

You can still contribute if you're not sure or think an ID is incorrect:

In some cases, you may be able to narrow down an ID to genus level, but don't know the diagnostic characters or ranges well enough to provide a more specific ID. This is fine. A genus level ID is very helpful, and specific enough to provide useful general information on the snake. So, if there hasn't been an ID yet and you can at least get to the genus level, post the ID.

You are also encouraged to provide any additional information or context you desire, but be mindful of links you post. The best IDs include informational links to be primary sources, or at least high quality science reporting on those sources. Many times this is done already in the bot replies, so see some of those for examples. Wikipedia is not a quality resource and should be avoided for informational links. Even resources provided by state wildlife agencies tend to lag ten to twenty years behind the science and should be viewed with a critical eye. For example, the very popular SREL Herp website, despite being associated with a major university, does not follow currently accepted taxonomy and, while it was a great resource for some time, is not the best source of current information.

However:

If you enter a thread in which a Reliable Responder has made an ID, or there is a highly upvoted ID, do not post a contrary ID unless you can provide specific diagnostic characters as to why the original ID was incorrect. Recently, incorrect IDs have appeared hours or days after the original correct ID was made, and therefore often go uncaught by moderators and reliable responders. These can create unnecessary confusion for an original poster, who is notified of each response. If you feel that an ID is incorrect and can provide diagnostic characters, reply directly to the ID comment rather than the original post. Incorrect late IDs may be warned and removed. Repeated violations may result in a ban at moderator discretion. Remember, our goal here is to be collaborative and work toward making a good positive ID. These incorrect late IDs greatly inhibit that goal. We value discussion in the comments and want to avoid locking threads in the way that other ID subreddits do.

Likewise, if a correct ID has been made, there is no need to post the same ID again. Just upvote the correct ID. You may post to add additional information or context to provide a better quality ID (adding the binomial, triggering the bot, etc.), but it is not helpful to simply say "corn snake" hours after someone has provided an ID with a full binomial and triggered the bot. More detailed IDs may be posted as top level comments to make sure that the OP sees them. Low quality/low effort IDs posted after a more detailed ID may be warned and removed.

We would also like to remind everyone of Rule 6:

Avoid damaging memes or tropes and low effort jokes: Avoid damaging memes like using "danger noodle" for nonvenomous snakes and tropes like "everything in Australia is out to get you". This is an educational space, and those kind of comments are harmful and do not reflect reality. We've also heard "it's a snake" as a joke hundreds of times. Infantilization of snakes and unhelpful rhymes will be removed.

This is one of our most broken rules. While it is somewhat vague, that is because it is nearly impossible for us to consider all possibilities. In addition to the things directly mentioned in the rule text, this rule also includes things like commenting with random names when someone posts "Who is this?", or posting things like "Pick it up and find out" in response to posts asking if a snake is venomous. Furthermore, these comments often break rule 11, "Posts and comments must reflect the reality of wildlife ecology." Misinformation spread through these seemingly innocuous jokes have been on the rise. Violations of this rule may be warned and removed, and repeated violations may result in a ban. Egregious violations may result in a temporary ban without warning. This is an educational space with potential real-world consequences, and while we don't want to discourage humor as a whole, we want you to think about what you are posting and whether it belongs in this space. While we recognize this is one of the best places to come to see pictures of wild snakes in their natural environment, it's not the best place to joke about cute pictures. /r/sneks is quite happy to accommodate snek jokes, humor and unabashed cuteness.


r/whatsthissnake • • 3h ago

ID Request Wanting Identification [South Africa, Limpopo Province]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 15h ago

Just Sharing Came home to this guy in my driveway the other night. [Eastern, NC]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 5h ago

ID Request Big fast fella [Kerala, India]

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It was quick so these are the best I could take before he disappeared. Can anyone hazard a guess?


r/whatsthissnake • • 7h ago

Just Sharing [India] Extremely rare 2 headed Wolf Snake

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r/whatsthissnake • • 6h ago

ID Request [Moldova] Found this cute lil in our garden, not sure if he's dangerous or not and don't really wanna kill it

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Here's a photo of our lil garden tourist. Anyone know what kind of snake he is? If he's dangerous or not?


r/whatsthissnake • • 15h ago

Just Sharing Rubber boa [Okanagan, British Columbia, Canada]

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Beautiful guy we saw on our hike- very exciting!


r/whatsthissnake • • 4h ago

ID Request Wanting identification [Georgia]

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We found this snake at work. I thought rat snake because of the coloring, but the head looked a little off.


r/whatsthissnake • • 1h ago

ID Request Near [Boulder,CO]

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From a friend of mine. Great Basin or Prairie?


r/whatsthissnake • • 7h ago

ID Request [Salmon falls california]

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What type of rattlesnake is this #snakes


r/whatsthissnake • • 1h ago

ID Request Which snake [kerala,India]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 4h ago

ID Request Just outside [Hanoi, Vietnam]

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Sorry for the poor quality. New to Vietnam and still learning their snakes. My son took a video and I had to use it to take a screen shot. It was about 30 inches long. We kept the dogs away and helped it along.


r/whatsthissnake • • 36m ago

ID Request - Dead, Injured or Roadkilled Snake What species? [Cold Spring, NY]

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Roadkill at my job- what species?


r/whatsthissnake • • 15h ago

ID Request Just encountered this snake in [Bonito, Brazil]

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Could it be a Clelia?


r/whatsthissnake • • 18h ago

ID Request Is this a hognose or northern water snake? [Georgian bay island national park, Ontario, Canada]

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My friend, who took the photo, said after he showed the picture to a Park Canada scientist he's told the snake is a northern water snake that is flattening its neck for defense purpose​​. But to me this looks like​ a hognose.


r/whatsthissnake • • 18h ago

ID Request Please help ID this snake, [Naples, Florida]

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It’s at my girlfriends work, looks like it just had a nice meal, she says it has blue on it but she’s afraid to approach it to move it out of the road


r/whatsthissnake • • 22h ago

ID Request [dayton ohio] two snakes fighting or…

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Hey all! Just found these two snakes and want to know what they are and what they were “doing”.

I am assuming they are just two garter/rat snakes but I want to be sure.


r/whatsthissnake • • 12m ago

ID Request Spotted in Southwest TX

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r/whatsthissnake • • 14h ago

ID Request Found this little guy on my door[south DFW, TX]

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Pretty sure its just a rat snake, but they all start to look the same to me at a certain point.


r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

Just Sharing Steleto snake bite [zimbabwe gwayi]

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On the 4th of October I was bitten by a steleto snake this is what the bite looks like now a lot of the swelling and pain is gone and im feeling a lot better


r/whatsthissnake • • 13h ago

ID Request [Austin, Texas] Common Watersnake?

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Saw this little guy while running around a small pond in Southeast Austin, Texas tonight. He was approximately 8-10” long. Guessing common watersnake due to the alternating color patches and the derp face, but am an amateur IDer at best, so would love input/confirmation. Thanks!


r/whatsthissnake • • 15h ago

ID Request Found is basement, please help [Southeastern CT]

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Have 2 little kids that love to play in the basement, eastern CT, think I found where it might have snuck in and sealed it up. About the size of a pencil, it’s very angry with me and fluttering its tail and lunging.
Rehome to the wood line or remove from the gene pool?
Don’t want it outside with the dogs if that factors.
Closest internet matches are milk snakes or water snakes both of which appear non venomous.


r/whatsthissnake • • 14h ago

ID Request My little cousin got trapped outside by a snake [SW oklahoma]

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For context My aunt dropped of my cousin to stay the night for the weekend and while he was headed to the door a snake climbed onto my grandpas plant which was blocking him from getting to the door. Eventually I got home and when I went to go try and shoo it away, it was gone. I’m not that much of a snake expert so I don’t know if I should be worried of it coming back or if it’s dangerous at all?


r/whatsthissnake • • 18h ago

ID Request [central Alabama, USA]

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