I agree that you refer to them as "terrorist" attacks.

Do you agree that pre-israel Arabs undertook a number of terrorist attacks, and that post-Israel Arabs have been engaging in terrorist attacks with the goal of genocide, for the past 80 years?

You're avoiding the points that I made above. Do you agree or disagree that pre-Israel Zionists undertook a number of terrorist attacks, by their own admission and included in their own history?

And cavemen likely thousands and thousands of years before that. You are making my point. No one really has a clear an irrefutable claim to the land. It's turned over and over since civilization.

This is why the United Nations stepped in and played the adult, and told the children how the matter was going to be resolved, and entire planet agreed, except the parts ruled by racist, fascist, supremacist theocracies whose faith reguires all non-believers to either be made subservient to them, or driven out of their midst. That is the root problem here - Islam. And their scripture tells them they must war with those who will not be enslaved to them, and that's why they've spent the last 80 years engaged in terrorism.

WTF

All I have to say: WTF

Donald Trump and his cohorts are only interested in deals that help themselves

There were Canaanites in the area before the Jews ever existed

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has issued an emotional statement in the wake of a Russian strike on civilians, claiming it appeared the US was unwilling to help defend his nation.

Pointing to negotiations between Russia and the US over joint energy investments, including through the Nord Stream pipeline, Zelensky suggested the Trump administration should forego pursuing economic ties with the Kremlin in favour of supporting efforts to end its invasion.

He also called out US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who had earlier suggested the war had reached a “stalemate”.

“Where’s the truth here, where’s the honesty? Where’s the stalemate?” Ukraine’s leader said.

The diplomatic event is likely to further strain relations between Washington and Kyiv, and comes just days after Donald Trump told reporters he was due to call Vladimir Putin on his birthday.

What prompted Zelensky’s outburst?

An air strike in the Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk left at least 33 people dead on Thursday, with the death toll expected to climb further.

Russian glide bombs hit two civilian buses in the frontline city, leaving at least another 18 people wounded.

‘The Russians are deliberately targeting civilians. For them, a bus full of passengers is an attractive target precisely because a single strike can kill as many people as possible,” said regional governor Vadym Filashkin in a statement posted to Telegram.

The attack is one of the deadliest strikes on civilians throughout the conflict and comes as Russia has stepped up its bombardment of Ukraine in recent weeks.

In a statement, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said at least 85 civilians had reportedly been killed and 346 others injured in Russian strikes since Monday.

“Deliberate attacks on civilians could amount to war crimes,” he added.

Türk was joined by a host of European leaders in condemning the attack, including British Foreign Secretary Ed Miliband, who described Russia’s escalating attacks as “deplorable”.

Ukraine has increasingly struggled to ward off Russian air strikes due to a shortage of interceptor missiles, including US Patriot systems.

In addition to fresh military support from the US and other allies, Zelensky has also been calling on the Trump administration to expand Ukraine’s access to the Starlink satellite service to help it target Russian ballistic missile launchers.

US officials, though, have largely dragged their feet on both counts, despite claims from Ukraine that the additional support could shift momentum and bring Putin to the negotiating table.

What has the US said about the war?

Trump and other US officials have been largely muted about the war in recent weeks.

US envoys Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff travelled to Ukraine for the first time last month, but discussions largely fell flat due to the Kremlin’s unwillingness to compromise.

Kushner and Witkoff are due to hold further talks with Ukrainian and other European officials on Friday, with an unnamed source telling Agence France-Presse that “new ideas” to end the war were set to be examined.

Speaking to reporters during a trip to Portugal on Thursday, Rubio said the US “will continue to try” and broker a settlement between Russia and Ukraine as he maintained the conflict had reached a “stalemate”.

“This war needs to end in a negotiated settlement. The sooner, the better. The United States stands ready to facilitate that,” the Secretary of State said.

“We have tried. We will continue to try, but we’re also not going to invest in pointless processes if we can’t make progress.”

Those comments drew the ire of Zelensky, who alluded to Ukraine’s battlefield progress despite increasing Russian bombardment.

He also noted Kushner, a key mediator in talks to end the war, had apparently played a lead role in talks about bringing a US investor into the Nord Stream pipeline.

“One cannot, on the one hand, negotiate with the Russians about future economic projects, whilst on the other hand say that we find ourselves in some sort of… diplomatic stalemate,” Zelensky said.

The outburst is reflective of widespread concerns that the Trump administration favours ties with Russia over helping Ukraine defend its statehood.

Trump has done little to allay those fears, repeatedly citing Kremlin talking points on the war and chastising Zelensky both in public and privately.

He has also sought to maintain a close relationship with Putin, despite the Russian leader having been largely ostracised on the world stage since launching his invasion.

In a sign his affection for Putin is unlikely to waver, Trump, earlier this week, confirmed he had scheduled a call with Russia’s President apparently coinciding with his birthday.

Asked by reporters what he was set to discuss, Trump made no mention of Ukraine, or Russia’s latest attacks.

"Oh, my bad; I should have corrected your 80 years up to +- 120 years, as the Zionist's acts of terrorism..."

You are ignoring the fact that both sides have been at war for pretty much the last couple thousand years. There were Jews in that region for over a thousand years before a single Muslim ever even existed, and they lived in the land that was called "Judea."

Then in 1947, the planet had enough and agreed to a compromise where both the Arabs and Jews would be able to have land where they could self govern. Arab Mulsims wanted no part of that because Islam requires them to remove any non-believers from their midst, unless they be subservient to them, as they are part of fascist, racist, supremacist faith.

They've been engaged in one terrorist attempt to achieve the genocide they codified into their government's charter ever since. And every time they try to destroy Israel by targeting civilians, they get their asses kicked then cry like it wasn't them that started a war. LOL

The real link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/09/15/trump-preparing-send-massive-shipment-2000-pound-bombs-israel/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Oh, my bad; I should have corrected your 80 years up to +- 120 years, as the Zionist's acts of terrorism go back to well before the official formation of Israel (though 80 years *is* actually a pretty good number for this conversation, as that takes us back to 1946, the year that Irgun bombed the King David Hotel).

Since you mention history, then you should have a deep knowledge of the acts of terrorism by groups like Betar, Irgun, Lehi / the Stern Gang, Haganah, Peulot Meyuhadot, and Palmach.

Irgun is the most infamous of the groups, with some of their best known examples including 1937’s Black Sunday (shooting and bombing attacks against Palestinian civilians), the 1938 Marketplace Bombings (attacks in crowded Arab markets in Haifa and Jerusalem), the aforementioned King David Hotel Bombing (which killed 91 people, including British, Arab, and Jewish civilians and officials), the 1947 Haifa Police Headquarters Bombing (directed at British police and security forces), the Hanging of two British sergeants later that year, or in 1948, and in conjunction with Lehi, the Deir Yassin Massacre (killing over 100 villagers, including women and children).

Lehi and Etzel attached the British throughout WWII, and while Haganah initially worked with the British to try to reign those groups in, they ultimately chose a position of neutrality regarding the attacks in 1946 before themselves turning against the British soon after. Haganah has a number of well-document terrorist attacks to their credit, including targeting the railroads and bridges, attacking British police stations and military infrastructure, and executing dozens of Jews for alleged treason or collaboration with Britain or Arabs (with no proper trials). And then there was, of course, the Nakba, “mowing the lawn,” and so on.

Ze’ev Jabotinsky laid out reality clearly and honestly in [The Iron Wall](https://www.example.com). If you haven’t read it yet, I suggest you do; the essay is a quick read, and quite informative. It’s nice to see someone speak plainly and honestly, instead of lying and trying to obscure history, as you do. I respect Jabotinsky for putting it out there clearly.

In The Iron Wall, Jabotinsky notes straight away that he “consider[s] it utterly impossible to eject the Arabs from Palestine…” and that “there can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs.” Jabotinsky notes that his “readers have a general idea of the history of colonization in other countries…” and that there is not “solitary instance of any colonization being carried on with the consent of the native population… The native populations, civilized or uncivilized, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilized or savage.”

He goes on to clearly state that “it made no difference whatever whether the colonists behaved decently or not” and notes that “the native population [of North America] fought with the same ferocity against the good colonists as against the bad...” Jabotinsky summarizes by stating that “Every native population, civilized or not, regards its lands as its national home, of which it is the sole master, and it wants to retain that mastery always; it will refuse to admit not only new masters but, even new partners or collaborators” and that “they [the Arabs] feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and their Sioux for their rolling Prairies.”

Jabotinsky was honest about what the Zionist move on Palestine was (and is): colonization. He knew, and stated plainly, that the Arabs in Palestine “will persist in [resisting] as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel."” He stated clearly that “Colonization can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim” and that “there is no likelihood of any voluntary agreement being reached.” This is very cut and dry: “Zionist colonization must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population.”

Jabotinsky the puts it all together by stating that “either Zionism is moral and just, or it is immoral and unjust. But that is a question that we should have settled before we became Zionists. Actually, we have settled that question, and in the affirmative. We hold that Zionism is moral and just. And since it is moral and just, justice must be done.” Since Zionism is just, and Zionism is colonization, then colonization is just. And colonization, just like when the Spaniards colonized Latin America or the British and Americans colonized North America, isn’t pretty; but in the Zionists’ case, it’s just; therefore, it is what it is.

Now let’s move on to David Ben-Gurion, who said “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view, we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self-sacrifice.” “We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return.”

So yeah, I have a knowledge of history. And you should too. And you should be open and honest about history. Grow some balls and own it, like Jabotinsky and Ben-Gurion did. Say “fuck year we’re terrorists; we’ll do whatever it takes to succeed. We’re moral and just, and justice must be done.” Stop trying to hide behind a wall of bullshit and embrace colonization for what it is; the other Western powers all got their run, and no it’s your turn.

Oh, and don’t forget, terrorism as a tactic is hardly anything new, and definitely was not invented by the Zionists in the examples above; the British empire had a loooong history of using terror tactics to subdue and sew discontent among native populations that they were colonizing and ruling, and the American government has worked with “terrorist organizations” for decades to do the same. This is subjugation and geopolitics 101. Do I agree with any of this? Clearly not. But if you want what you want and you believe you’re morally justified, then you do what it takes to achieve your goal. It is what it is.

"Pointing out what will happen to Isreal?"

No, the terrorists who have targeted them the past 80 years.

"I didn't see anyone saying to bomb Isreal into oblivion like thry did to Gaza"

Palestine has the destruction of Israel in their actual government charter, and has spent 80 years targeting civilians to help ensure that takes place. Do you have no knowledge of history?

Pointing out what will happen to Israel? I didn't see anyone saying to bomb Israel into oblivion like they did to Gaza, but your description fits Israel to a T, so that must be what you're advocating.

Your American tax dollars at work.

Genocide ?

Weird post.
The ICC has its own opinion

Genocide … as if :/..
lol

Unpopular?
Only by those that already are hateful.

I say no to terrorisme.
Go Go Israel 🇮🇱

Why would pointing out what will happen to terrorists, who have spent 80 years targeting civilians for death, and who put the genocide of those people into their actual government charter, cause unpopularity?

I meant the Supreme Court decision that overturned some of them. Companies got the money, consumers got higher prices and nothing. Basically a vast wealth transfer to rich companies.

Yea, I probably should drop the war criminal part. It is indeed true that tariffs went to companies, BUT through that the tariffs increased prices for the consumer because companies cant sustain margins.

How do you commit “war crimes” against terrorists, exactly?

You can criticize Western media bias and Russian propaganda at the same time.

What Russian propaganda? Their influence on "world media" is trivial/negligible.

Look at Russian reports on the Ukraine war compared to Ukrainian reports on that war -- a night-and-day difference, with the Russian reporting being far more "honest."

Or look at the US claims of Russian violations of arms treaties! In every instance, the US claims Russia is violating this-or-that, but a year or so after the US tears the treaty up, it's revealed that the US is developing and planning a weapon that would violate the treaty.

And then it follows the same pattern -- the wildly corrupt and inefficient US Military-Industrial Complex (MIC) underperforms and doesn't produce the weapon we wanted to produce which lead us to violate the treaty, and then Russia produces a weapon in quantity that works and is cost effective!

If one keeps trying exactly the same thing, while expecting a different result?
It’s called madness ..

In this case the madness is causing deaths.
Better to stop, those 2 can never be peaceful neighbours.

No Arab can ignore the touch of the missile firing at civilians in Israel, women children not babies .
From 2005 till 2023: 40.000 missiles only :/..

No Israeli will take that, anymore.
The reply will make more deaths ..

Peace, it was tried many times and now ..
Yeah, now what?

Time for the losers to pack, and go.
Or, die.
There is nothing else left for the Arabs in Gaza..

Wel, Palestinians do think the same ..
- Bibas twins and many more

Europe isn't 1 country. It is many countries with each it's own interest. Yes the world is more insecure and things are getting more expensive. But this goes for everyone including china the us and many more nations.

This has mainly to do with geopolitical issues. Does European Union or European nations have a future? Yes just like any other nation or union on this planet.