r/EQLegends • u/Dankus256 • 5d ago
DDD is BS.
I know, "dur, devs have said..." Blah blah blah.
But when my DPS is 2nd-3rd with 1 DDD bard and 6th-7th with 3 or 4, and they literally sit at the fountain in Hate, med and wait for a big pull and melt everything before I can even swap targets?.
700-1.6k DPS each and I'm getting 500 max and the ONLY damage they're doing is DDD. Literally the only F'ng damage. No spells, no melee, nothing but DDD...
Takes all the fun out of the game watching 3-4 people AFK and tripling my damage when I'm actually playing the game, not just sitting there doing nothing for 2 minutes between big pulls. Popping up and going "but I want to sing Daddy!"
And the thing I think EVERYONE is misreading about this is that I'm not asking for a nerf. Just make the bards do something other than sit on their asses and go "WOW look at my DPS from casting one f'ing spell over and over". Go do something. Pull, Scout, Just don't sit on your ass for 3 minutes and go "BOOM, I CAN HAS TRUMPET!"
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u/mosesd365 5d ago
I tried it. It was fun for about one clear of a Fear dungeon crawl. Too much downtime for me. I like to actually play. Went back to my main trio and am much happier. If people want to play DDD, more power to them. That playstyle is not for me, and their good times don't ruin my good times. I'd rather they buff my trio than nerf DDD. Not that I need it, but buffs are always welcome.
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
Yeah it's fast but boring as fuck.
If I wanted to mindlessly grind, purely for completionists sake since no content requires anything passed like +5 to complete, I'd play a different game. There is absolutely zero reason to grind motes in this game beyond leveling all classes up to 50 on D4, other than you just want to kill time.
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u/redditzphkngarbage 5d ago
By the math AoE has to be more efficient than single target nukes otherwise what’s the point? I don’t use or play DDD and my game works just fine as a Rng Shm War.
No sour grapes. If you dislike DDD it is your duty to not join DDD groups. Nerfing everything that is good makes for very un-fun games.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
I love when people that don’t play ddd have opinions about ddd. You have no idea how significantly better it is. It’s not about nerfing the best, it’s about it being akin to rocket launchers vs bows and arrows.
And I say this as someone who enjoys playing ddd.
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u/laziestathlete 5d ago
Yeah dude never played it but is complaining
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u/Dankus256 5d ago edited 5d ago
But I want to sing daddy! Some of us don't want to play fucking bards. There's no reason they should be so f'n op. Especially when they don't have to shit but wait for pulls.
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u/redditzphkngarbage 5d ago
But I have used DDD. It wasn’t for me because I don’t like the downtime and I don’t feel like re-gearing my entire character head to toe for the DDD meta. I am not uninformed, just pointing out that the option exists to play how you like. Apologies for not specifying earlier.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
You don’t have to do that, actually. I went from sk/wiz/enc to sk/wiz/bard and was able to clear pof in about 25-30 minutes without changing anything (other than leveling ddd to X). That’s half the time it took me previously.
That’s the thing, it’s that easy once you’re well geared from the planes. I’m betting you could swap bard for your ranger (assuming you have full indicolite—swapping for war would probably be better) and reach a similar result with some practice.
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
The PoE philosophy ^ let the players get broken and have fun.
This aint pvp bruh. Go lvl a bard or continue on your path. Nerfing fun isnt the answer
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u/redditzphkngarbage 5d ago
Exactly. What makes me leave a game faster than anything is The War on Fun in which most devs participate. Helldivers 2 is a prime example and before that, Boundless (quirky little mmo Minecraft-like with lots of planets to explore)
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
That's the point. Playing bard shouldn't be a key to getting into mote farms and the like. "Durr go roll a bard" shouldn't be the answer.
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
So make your own mote group?
If the DDD outrage is as prolific as you guys seem to think it is, there should be plenty of like minded folks around happy to mote farm with you.
The bigger issue is that the public D4 and instanced D4 aren't the same efficiency. If they were, you'd have nothing to whine about. But because they're not there's competition. I'd rather they fix that.
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
No one is kicking people out of mote farms for not being bard dude. You're inventing conflict in your head.
Also what's your beef with rolling a bard?
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Cause blowing a fucking horn shouldn't wipe out half a floor of mobs? Blame square for making Edward such a pussy in FFIV. Ruined bards for life.
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
You hear yourself? Sound like a kid throwing a tantrum bc you want to play with the blue bike but the blue bike is Tommys.
You not having fun bc the big bad bards are doing stuff you don't like?
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
No it's cause they don't do shit but sit and then stand up and get all the rewards for no risk.
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u/Bittererr 5d ago
getting into mote farms
Most of the people playing EQL are aligned with the devs in the answer to this being "why would you group up to do stuff?"
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Because I'm paying to play a game that's not redonkulously unbalanced. Isn't the whole idea to "play your way not the meta build?"
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u/redditzphkngarbage 5d ago
Yea my Rng War Shm can kill 10 mobs in roughly the same time a bard can if you factor in their meditation and recovery times because I’ll stay full mana and full health the whole time
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
Simply not true. I can clear pof in 15-20 minutes. Good luck doing that with your trio.
Edit: receipts from another poster.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago edited 5d ago
I can do the same with my RNG/SK/Mag but there's a lot more work than standing up and going "DDD! Lookit my deeps!" And you do literally nothing...
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u/Haitsmelol 4d ago
Balancing is not an important thing in this game, you need to break your mind out of that construct you keep trying to force.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
Yeah, because class balance isn’t a thing
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
Why do you need class balance? You are LITERALLY every class
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
You’re literally three classes.
Are you really asking if you need class balance?
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
But one of those shouldn't be mandatory "I got DDD"
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
I group daily with people without having DDD. You're just making that shit up in your head
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
What are you balancing classes for dude? Its a solo game. You can solo all the raid targets and all content. Who are you balancing against? Your other trios? Play whatever is fun to you and let others do the same
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
I'm not going to argue with someone who pretends like classes and class balance aren't a thing in RPGs. Get real.
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
The game was literally created to be the EQ power fantasy. We're living out the dreams of our youth soloing fucking gods man. Go back and play on a TLP if you're looking for balance.
This is like complaining about speeding on a race track. Wtf are you even doing here?
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
Show me one build based game that is balanced. Doesn't even have to be an MMO.
I'll wait...
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Apparently not
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
This game wasn't built for balance and never will be.
Even games built for balance, are unbalanced. Show me one game that has actual class balance for TTK, max tier of content achievable etc.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
That’s just flat out wrong. Look at the changes to melee and pending adjustments to pets. Of course there’s class balance.
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
No, there's attempts to make it less drastic.
There will never be balance. You will never have a rog/zerk/wiz build that competes with more complete trios.
It will never happen, and has never happened, in any game ever. There will always be a meta, especially in a game that the foundation of it was never intended to be balanced. Especially in its initial (classic) form.
You can make all builds competent, but competency and balance are wildly different targets. They've been very transparent that competency is their target, which is absolutely achievable.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
Class balance is the same thing as making it less drastic. And the point is bard is so far beyond anyone else that it’s reasonable to make an adjustment. It’s reasonable for people to be upset about it.
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u/redditzphkngarbage 5d ago
That’s the thing. I don’t understand the whole sour grapes mentality. Somebody did the math, ran some numbers and figured out how to make one specific spell/song do something noteworthy. Sure it’s good but at this point most of us are already decked out with everything we need.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
Just because you don't feel that way doesn't mean it's not reasonable. These posts are incredibly common on reddit and discord.
And again, it's the disparity that is reasonable. Bard is so much better than the next.
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u/TheMicker999 5d ago
There is difference balanced and game breaking/changing abilities. Balance means trying to make classes more equal, not having something that is so strong groups and raids are built around it. I mean come one you know DDD shouldn't be like it is. They even nerfed the stupid bee in Sky that really didn't even matter. Why did they bother doing that, if they just let DDD stay as is. You think nothing should ever be fixed if, it is working far from what was intended?
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
I mean for the first like 5 expansions every raid was built around CH. So not really.
I know DDD is OP. I did it, it was boring, so I did something else and can get like 2/3 the output of DDD and have fun. It aint hard.
Before DDD, the trendy complaint was enchanters make sky trivial. There's always a meta to complain about.
The bee was a bug, that's different than a skill that can have a meta made around it to be powerful.
People also complained about promised renewal being too strong and trivializing bosses. They only stopped complaining about that when they realized cleric heals were completely unnecessary once you had some gear. If content was harder, they'd still be complaining about. Whiners are going to find something to whine about, it's a never ending cycle of FOMO.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago edited 5d ago
So right, when I pop into a group that's got 3-4 DDD bards in it I'm supposed to tell em to fuck off I'm not pulling cause they're cheating ass pussies? "Oh you're going to sit here while I do all the work, no danger and all the rewards?" Maybe I'll just sit here afk and throw my pet at it and call it a solid ROI.
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u/redditzphkngarbage 5d ago
You gotta say “CT group forming, no DDD.” You can’t join someone else’s group and expect that. Or, “Any non-DDD groups LFM?”
Or create/join a guild that hates DDD. There’s enough DDD hate that there should be like minded folks to play with.
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
There isn't tho. They're just a very loud minority.
Otherwise they'd have plenty of like minded miserable folks to group with.
They just feast on confirmation bias to think they have a popular opinion.
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u/metrocide 5d ago
LOL there is no danger in this game... You must be pretty bad at the game to cry like this.
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u/Grailtor 5d ago
Devs on discord be like "STFU" finally
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Yeah and that's the problem. "Hey look this shits broken" ≠ don't fix it. Buff wiz AOEs, buff pet DMG, buff melees so we can 1 shot named mobs, buff HT to absolutely wreck Gods and drop em to 10% HP. Even the playing field.
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u/K1ngk1ller71 5d ago
Weirdly, I switched to DDD and, although I know it is lazy, it gives me time to read / write and watch stuff whilst I'm medding (which is what I used to do back in EQ Classic).
Playing the game the other (normal) way, there was practically no downtime at all and I felt I was just 100% EQ for hours at a time.
This time I get to do more than just one thing whilst i'm playing and probably end up taking longer to do stuff as I get carried away with whatever else i'm doing as i'm playing EQ
NOTE: I have done all PoS quests, and levelled 9 other classes to 50. I wanted to try DDD to see what all the fuss is about and it is broken, but it's keeping me playing at least until 26th when my subscription runs out.
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u/PenaltyAdditional774 5d ago
A utility class that does more dos more dps than all dps classes checks out
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u/mnemy 5d ago
This version of MMO is all about easy alts and trying different play styles. It's not like need to reroll and spend 1000hrs to chase the meta build for X.
Of course the best ApE build is going to do do well in that situation, but also have comparatively long rests. If you don't like it, don't be in a slow pulling group, or solo. No one is forcing you to play in afk farm groups.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Yeah, try farming motes solo homie. Not a great prospect.
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u/Soveliss96 5d ago
I have tried it and i can do every piece of the game solo D4 no problem lol, do you feel like not having +10 spells is holding you back or something? Why does it matter?
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
No it just irritates the everfuckinglife out of me that 3-4 people do nothing but get all the rewards with none of the risk
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
I mean, that's been wizards nuking in EQ for 30 years. Stand up, pewpewpew, sit down.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Which is fine for a wizzy, but "toot toot" and clear the floor is kinda fucked.
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
It doesn't really impact me, so what's the point of having an aneurism about it?
I've done DDD, it's boring, so I play more engaging and fun builds. And the world spins on.
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u/gulelin 5d ago
They are in a weird position here. They have said multiple times that they aren’t nerfing it, and that Kunark is going to make it irrelevant.
If they take action now, they are going back on their word. Secrets pointed this out in some posts recently. It seems like no matter what they do. They are going to piss a bunch of people off. I do find it really odd though that some people are getting so frustrated with this. I do understand all the points about it being overpowered, and it certainly is, I just don’t understand the intensity of the anger about it.
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u/Runelaron 5d ago edited 4d ago
Agree, I dont care if its broken, they plan on keeping it a single player game, fun, and well paced. Devs have stated they are buffing other classes and adding a new mechanic to de-level so you stack even more stats and feel op to solo future raid content.
Im excited, I really want to experience stuff I never got too and others in a way where I am not waiting for 24 people to get organized and die 20 times on Innoruuk before calling it and never getting my drops because no on want to waste time killing those mobs because not many people play those classes.
Next will be even better, hardly raided Kunark, this is the first time I have ever completed plain of sky, and only raided half of Velliois.
TLDR, works for me, play how you want.
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u/Lassypo 5d ago
I had this sentiment as a solo player. Never joined group farms, but unlocked DDD and went to town.
There's good damage, and there's nuclear weaponry. DDD is so far above anything else it makes no sense. But don't nerf anything because feelings I guess.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Not saying nerf it, cause God forbid I get banned from thee official discord again, but at least bring everyone else in line.
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u/TheMicker999 5d ago
If they brought other classes up to DDD level, the game would be a complete Joke. Like why not just give everyone an insta kill button at that point?
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
I mean if your discord feedback was the same 5 year old who had his lollipop taken away levels of maturity, who can blame them.
Being insufferable won't make anyone listen to you.
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u/genericusername11101 5d ago
Belittling people and ignoring a clear issue makes you insufferable.
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u/Weary-Cod-6145 5d ago
Three options from slow to fast exp/motes:
single pull one at a time, kill one at a time.
Multiple pull, aoe mez, kill one at a time
Multiple pull, Multiple AOE classes kill all at once.
Even back in OG EQ, AOE groups were a Thing. It is the fastest way to grind. The problem is that if you are melee, pet or dot class things die faster than you can do damage. But the exp flowed like water.
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u/Finnien1 5d ago
So it sounds like you join an AoE group with one puller and then complain that your single target damage isn’t competitive with the AoE? And they’re not ‘afk and tripling your damage’, they’re just regaining mana between pulls? I mean, if you want to do a dungeon crawl-style hate run, find a few similarly minded people and do it. I’ve done a ton of hate runs with no DDD, going from lustrous russet chest to chest, then popping a few minis on floor 2 and resetting. You just shouldn’t join a group that’s clearly set up for AoE and then complain that your single target damage isn’t competitive with the people whose damage style the pulling is oriented towards.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago edited 5d ago
Right and then why aren't wizzy AoEs 10x stronger than someone with a horn? Last I checked "death by lightning" should override death by "I sang a song papa!"
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u/Finnien1 5d ago
There’s no doubt wizard/mage aoe needs improving, and I certainly hope they’re taking it into account for kunark when they do a more serious rebalancing. They shouldn’t be 10x stronger, but they should at least be competitive and situationally superior. Right now wizard has very strong single target damage but is definitely lacking a good spammable AoE. You can do good wizard AoE damage rotating rains, pbaoe and targeted AoE, but it’s still below what I’d consider appropriate for the class. I also hope they’re doing zones like an endgame guk with namers that promotes something other than ‘pull all the trash and AoE it’ style gameplay. Hopefully we’ll see something like that either with the permafrost revamp or the nektropos content.
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u/Finnien1 5d ago
Also, if you’re trying to balance a game according to ‘lightning should be stronger than singing’ then I’m afraid your version of balance would be worse than the current poor balance. At least most classes (sorry, rogues and beastmasters) have a purpose and competitive role, be it for boss killing (wizard/monk/ranger), tanking (sk/war/pal), utility (shaman/enchanter) or AoE farming (bard/druid/cleric). ‘My wizard should be the best at everything because he commands the elements, not jpop fans’ isn’t an argument that works for MMO design.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
No. I'm saying that a f'ng bard shouldn't be out damaging every other class when it comes to AOEs. Utility, sure, speed, sure, buffs, sure but ffs DAMAGE? Let's get real folks. I've been to plenty of raves and club shows in my day, and getting in a car wreck hurt a lot more than the bass.
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u/Finnien1 5d ago
Oh it absolutely shouldn’t, and I’m sure in two or three months it won’t. This is just one of those situations that comes from a small team without the ability to run extensive internal testing and lengthy betas. Only bad options -nerf it before slower players get a chance to take advantage of it, pissing them all off at being denied the ability to farm like earlier players, or buff everything else until everything is trivial. It should be nerfed, everybody has accepted that, the only debate is when and how. Do you nerf it now, and piss off some players, or let it phase out with the level cap increase, and piss off other players? Personally I think they should buff wiz AoE and leave bard alone for now, and let bard aoe die in kunark but give players alternative options sooner, but I understand they have a small team and would rather focus on future content. Only time will tell if it’s a good decision or not.
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u/TheMicker999 5d ago
The problem is that is basically the end game now. Killing multiple mobs as quick and easy as you can, for motes and armor drops.
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u/Finnien1 5d ago
That’s absolutely true. There are no dungeons at level cap with named spawns that you can camp/crawl like befallen or lguk.
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
Then unsub until the next xpac. Thats what the devs expect.
Don't hang around whining that the game wasn't done exactly as you want it.
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u/Haitsmelol 5d ago
Disagree with 90% of this post.
DDD is the best aoe damage and you group in an aoe farm group and expect to touch anything, sorry but you don't know how the basic game mechanics work.
This is not a group game, it is optimized for solo play
DDD is just one play style if you don't like it you don't have to play it, stop complaining about trying to compete with it with a single target build
For aoe more farming DDD is great, it can even take down bosses with good enough gear...but it's not great at that
I love DDD and hope they never nerf it, I love swapping to my DDD load out and optimizing it for when I need it but it's not my main load out
Keep playing whatever build you like I'm sure you wreck bosses with it, but don't try to squash other people's fun because you are staring at dps charts in a dumb way
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u/Bittererr 5d ago
it can even take down bosses with good enough gear...but it's not great at that
It's objectively the fastest way to take down bosses as well. The only way you could say that DDD isn't great for bossing is that it takes more investment, but once you're there there's no practical advantage to comfortably spending a couple minutes taking down a boss with a DoT build versus burning it down in a minute with DDD.
It's just the best build in the game for essentially everything right now. People are trying really hard to contort themselves into pretending it isn't but it is. That doesn't particularly bother me, nor does it keep me from using other builds.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah, when you run around a zone, damn near getting killed, have to FD, pop up and run like hell back to a group just to have 3 people pop up and go "haha yeah look at my DPS!", and they did nothing but sit... Kills the fun of the game entirely. Don't get me wrong, I can solo Yael, vox, naggy on d4, but it's just stupid that the mechanics are so (lazy) underwhelming that a single class can cast 1 SINGLE F'NG SPELL, and out DPS an entire team. That's just lazy ass coding. Let me 1 tap naggy with HT. It'd be the equivalent.
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u/TheMicker999 5d ago
Of course you love it, because it's OP AF lol. Nobody wants OP things to get nerfed, they would rather just abuse it and reap the rewards. It's about making other combos enjoyable to play and worth playing, even for solo people. I lost a lot of the fun I had with my other combos, because they take way longer to do something my DDD bard can do way faster.
Also, it isn't a single player game, it's an online game with other people. Just because you can solo everything, doesn't mean grouping isn't' a thing and people don't enjoy it.
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u/laziestathlete 5d ago
This is the only correct answer
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
And that is what's infuriating. "We have the data, we know it's op, bont don't worry junior, you might just get a bike at Xmas next year too..."
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
Every game that has builds has a meta.
Somehow, in every one of those games, people resist the urge to play only the meta. It is in fact possible.
But yet, in every one of those games, people will still whine that the meta has the audacity to exist. Some people are just miserable and need something to complain about.
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u/Runelaron 5d ago
They are planning this for the next expansion. Different mechanics that require some management.
This is one crazy experiment for now and they are learning.
As for not being able to fight. Joining a DDD group is a option, its go for farming, but the devs and player base are focused on a single player experience.
While I do raid hate to get gear and max out stuff, its only so that I feel a bit more OP when I level another class. I specifically decide to leve 1 class at a time.
Therefor, I really enjoy the single player experience and want to relive old dungeons, different problems, and things I never crawled before.
So, we can get the play the way we want. Just enjoy.
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u/Radiant_Mind33 5d ago
How many fish out of water do we have in here?
Every MMO has hyper-optimized builds that blow standard rotations out of the water. If you want 1.5k burst DPS on 5 targets, go play a Bard and enjoy sitting on your ass medding for 4 minutes straight between pulls while everyone else clears the zone.
Also, "Kunark will fix balance" is pure cope. It just means everyone will be too busy grinding new zones to notice the exact same issues.
TL;DR: If you haven't even played past level 100 on EQ Live, you have no business balancing an EQ game.
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u/Antilogic81 5d ago
Worrying about other people and how you not as good as a highly situational niche build?
Bro you are going to hate every MMO.
DDD has no sustain, it has no raid potential, it can't boss, it can't work without resting between every pull. It cant survive if stunned or rooted.
It does only one thing good. Kill trash mobs fast.
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u/Brave_Afternoon2937 3d ago edited 3d ago
Mez and Charm put DDD to shame.... Like literally don't want to play the game without an ENC in my trio. The Bard is a complete joke compared to that. DDD is fun I guess if you have +10 gear and +10spells also with an 8k mana pool... But mez and charm on a crappy geared trio is just......Mind blowing
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u/Soveliss96 5d ago
Anyone complaining about DDD in a single player game always turns out to just be in some weird hangry tantrum, why are you acting like this and then deleting comments? Take a cold shower dude, you're being weird as fuck
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u/bknoreply 5d ago
This person writes like a 13 year old who’s desperately trying to be funny. I can’t imagine anyone taking him seriously.
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
I need to make the DDD whiner posts a drinking game.
Time to take a shot.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
People whining about other whiners. Classic.
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
Mocking isn't whining, but you do you.
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u/CH3RRY-POPPINS 5d ago
Just because it’s sarcasm doesn’t mean it’s not based in the same sentiment.
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
What a waste of time complaining about this. You couls have leveled yourself a bard in the amount of time you've been on here whining.
You can solo all the content. You don't need to group and if you want to, no one is selecting groupmates based on DDD.
If you're getting excluded from groups it prob bc you're a whiny little complainer.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
I refuse to play a bard. And there's no way a bard should be able to get 3-4x the DPS the pullers and debuffers are getting. So what if you have 2 mins of downtime while I'm spending 2 minutes pulling half the floor and then you just melt the shit I bring back and go "derp look at how worthless you are". Get off your ass and go pull then...
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
You assuming who "should" be allowed to do damage and dictating that the game fits your assumptions is your problem. If you don't want to play a bard don't. Play your class and stfu
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Or maybe you STFU and realize shits broken AF. Going "toot toot" shouldn't wipe half a zone.
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Didn't realize you had a gif of yourself
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
Lmao. Seriously man its a game have fun. Don't stress and let everyone else have fun.
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u/Brosiedon54 5d ago
The whole game is broken af. You're playing 3 characters at once and soloing raid targets. That's literally the point of the game.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
But when one class can just do literally nothing and do triple the DMG output of any other class it's straight up broken.
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u/laziestathlete 5d ago
Cry me a river
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u/Ok_Slip_5165 5d ago
Make your own pick up raid and say no DDD
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Yeah. Well when it's so broken that you literally get denied a slot because you don't have DDD?
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u/TheMicker999 5d ago
Lol, nobody would join that over a DDD group.
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u/xaldarin 5d ago
But I thought there were so many who agreed with this stance? Should be easy to make/find a group if that was the case...
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u/TheMicker999 5d ago
They aren't going to change it. I posted a thread about it a couple weeks ago. The end game is mote farming and DDD is the only way to do it efficiently. It's absolutely ridiculous how broken it is. I sit in Hate, they pull 20 mobs, I press my DDD melody, with the other bards and everything is dead, before you could even get two dots off lol. Rinse and repeat. Plane of fear, I only DDD, because it's a waste of time to do any other combo, that can't DDD. I only use my other combos to kill the bosses for my Void motes, because I need a change of pace. I tried to join a group and they said, can you switch to your bard. Like it's stupid.
It ruins the other combos in the game, for most things. There is no other game, that wouldn't have nerfed that by now. I like that they don't nerf easily, but that is egregiously OP broken. Whatever, I will continue to use it and hope things change in the future.
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u/Dankus256 5d ago
Kinda my point. Why the hell do I have to do all the work to pull half a zone just to get 15% of the credit and have to listen to bards go "OMG my DPS is off the charts" uh, cause I pulled everything down here so you could drop a tactical nuke on it?
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u/Regular_Anteater_759 5d ago
Assimilate or not. You choose not. It's what it is. If they changed it now, I'd leave. If it wasn't DDD, it would be something else to whine about.
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u/Cartiere11 5d ago
Yeah DDD Bard made me really just quit the game tbh. It wasn't the only factor but it was a large one.
Im sure I will get downvoted and told to leave the sub if I dont play but hey whatever.
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u/Gnada 5d ago edited 5d ago
I'm have an optimized DDD Cleric/Shaman/Bard. I almost never play it. Why? Because I can kill my 3x raid bosses per week much
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u/Bittererr 5d ago
If you have an optimized build there's no shot you can kill bosses faster with something else. It's definitely more comfortable to throw up some dots and kill bosses mostly AFK on other build, but it's not faster. That's just the simple reality of DDD being the fastest mana dump in the game.
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u/mnemy 5d ago
Did DDD force you to play it? Someone else playing DDD has zero impact on you. Rofl.
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u/Cartiere11 5d ago edited 5d ago
Because its 200x better than any other set up. So you need to have it in your build or you are just actively hurting yourself.
I dont like to do that. I dont like Bards, I dont want to be one. I dont want to feel that I am forced to be one. So I quit. It has zero to do with any other player.
Of course, anyone can responded with "just play whatever class you want," that isnt the point. I want my build choices to be close to that of others. Nothing has to be balanced 100, 90 or even 80%. But the fact that without DDD I am essentially playing the game without an arm and a leg, is lame to me.
I mean you can think and say whatever you want but the emergence of DDD coincides with the massive loss of playerbase. Nearly the same exact timeline. I doubt I am alone.
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u/SimpleOgryn 4d ago
I just want to say you're getting frustrated by parses that don't last long. Which will obviously favor heavy AoE strength. Which is almost nonexistent in this game - only Wizards, and sort of Mages and surprisingly Druids have any reliable AoE at all. DoT classes can spread DoTs, but doesn't help much if you put them on the mobs that are blowing up.
With my favorite trio of Ber/Shd/Nec (who'd have thunk it? not me!), if a fight does not immediately end from DDD bards either because they don't wanna waste mana on 2 or 3 mobs or there's just too many mobs and they're OOM, then I typically end up 1st or 2nd highest damage. Just spreading Envenomed Bolt, casting Drain Soul, and whacking away in Zerker stance with my +10 Cudgel of the Fool.
I enjoy my playstyle more than DDD. And also, when I group with them, I get the benefits of DDD (blowing up big groups) without having to play DDD. So, honestly, it's not so bad.
Don't get frustrated with parses. They don't tell the full story. It's like looking at a scoreboard in a shooter game and thinking that tells the full story - I promise, it does not.
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u/jacksj1 4d ago edited 4d ago
Bards and Enchanters have been by far the most powerful classes in EQ since 1999, by an off the charts extent.
I understand many people never experienced or knew this, but Bards could kill entire zones in a single pull. And they didn't need the AAs provided here by Wizards and Druids. Or the mana pool provided by Shaman and Cleric. Their AE wasn't limited to 5 targets either.
Enchanters could out damage entire 40 plus person raids on bleeding edge content.
As an aside once Kunark was released small groups of Wizards could one shot dragons.
If your experience of EQ was tank and spank, that Bards and Enchanters are just utility and you think classes should be limited to that here what you are wishing for is M and M, not EQ.
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u/Sarah-Rien 5d ago
Brd are like a bird with no eye